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Re: Why Machine Elves? DMT Discussion [Re: lessismore]
    #19383819 - 01/07/14 05:16 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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mio said:
you solved the cube, we came, now you must come with us , taste our pleasures

Ive seen entities on salvia, looked/felt like family , in mid air, they yelled something to me but couldnt understand them so I yelled "what??" back at them repeatedly
and on LSD too in mid air - alien/human looking, often eyes on lsd/mushrooms too

did you get any messages while seeing the eyes?




i most commonly see the eyes in trees, although i have seen them with my eyes closed, and i have seen them on walls, etc. when i last saw them in the trees, i wasn't really receiving messages, however it was more of an unspoken recognition of one another as living conscious beings.

many of us psychonauts can recall experiencing trees as alive, but this was on a whole new level...this thing was looking at me, and i was staring straight back. we had nothing but love and recognition for each other. it had a very powerful presence. it was strange because this tree was the only one outside my apt balcony, and it was surrounded by many trees and bushes, yet it was the only one with eyes.


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Re: Why Machine Elves? DMT Discussion [Re: Aopocetx]
    #19383854 - 01/07/14 05:21 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Aopocetx said:
Has anyone here seen aliens on DMT? In the book DMT: The Spirit Molecule it talks about how a number of test subjects experienced alien abduction.




i've seen what i would describe as an alien being on my last DMT trip. it was the only theme of the experience actually.

i blasted off, and i was immediately suspended in outer space, hovering in front of a large octagon-shaped, fluid-filled being that moved like jello and had about a dozen eyeballs and various circuit-board type patterns overlaying its body.

this will hands-down be one of the most memorable moments of my life. during the experience, it actually felt like i was having a face-to-face with God. i felt like, for whatever reason, God had decided to manifest in this strange form. this has nothing to do with belief; it was a genuine feeling i had during the meeting. no words or messages were exchanged. it was just an acknowledgment of one another.

i had the biggest, warm smile on my face that i couldn't wipe off if i tried.


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Re: Why Machine Elves? DMT Discussion [Re: rikuni]
    #19383900 - 01/07/14 05:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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rikuni said:
had this kinda thing only once when doing it with some shaman that was not connected good- probably fake shaman-, on a very high dose of ayahuasca. Trip was not good and the elves are not nice or good entities. You get them when doing it wrong and they will fuck you up! BE CAREFUL! :fasted:

Other than that I have not met anything similar. I only get to distant planets and heaven and shit:psychsplit: So get fucking real mofos.

YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG! :dancingbear:




doing it wrong? how can you "do" a DMT experience wrong? DMT stands out among all other psychedelics because it is basically a psychedelic bungee jump. you cannot prepare for the experience...you just jump and embrace what happens. being confronted by mischievous elves that aren't very kind doesn't mean you're taking the "wrong" approach to the experience.

evil is just as much a part of the psychedelic experience as is good. seeing or experiencing something frightening while altered says nothing about your approach to the substance or the experience. it's not all about "distant planets and heaven". pfff...you should get real man. 

"to fathom hell or soar angelic, just take a pinch of psychedelic" - Humphry Osmond


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Re: Why Machine Elves? DMT Discussion [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #19383931 - 01/07/14 05:33 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Bill_Oreilly said:
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Aopocetx said:
Has anyone here seen aliens on DMT? In the book DMT: The Spirit Molecule it talks about how a number of test subjects experienced alien abduction.





No aliens. just a UFO.

bt when I IVd 4-aco I felt like aliens in a helicopter landed on my roof and knocked me the fuck out.




were you abducted???


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Re: Why Machine Elves? DMT Discussion [Re: crispy86]
    #19383942 - 01/07/14 05:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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crispy86 said:
i've seen what i would describe as an alien being on my last DMT trip. it was the only theme of the experience actually.

i blasted off, and i was immediately suspended in outer space, hovering in front of a large octagon-shaped, fluid-filled being that moved like jello and had about a dozen eyeballs and various circuit-board type patterns overlaying its body.

this will hands-down be one of the most memorable moments of my life. during the experience, it actually felt like i was having a face-to-face with God. i felt like, for whatever reason, God had decided to manifest in this strange form. this has nothing to do with belief; it was a genuine feeling i had during the meeting. no words or messages were exchanged. it was just an acknowledgment of one another.

i had the biggest, warm smile on my face that i couldn't wipe off if i tried.




Damn that is so awesome! Sounds like quite the trip. Thanks for sharing bro.


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Re: Why Machine Elves? DMT Discussion [Re: FrozenHappiness] * 1
    #19383966 - 01/07/14 05:38 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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FrozenHappiness said:
I don't know about machine elves or any other entities on DMT because I have never had a breakthough experience, but on LSD and mushrooms I've seen the eyes several times and other strange Alex Grey shit even before I knew who he was or even saw any of his art.

I like to think that some of that stuff actually exist out there, or in there whichever the case may be. Whether we are actualy peering behind the veil into another dimension, or we are just looking at the architecture of our own minds I don't know, and I wont pretend to know.

Much of the psychedelic experience is unique and personal to each user, but there are some common threads, and themes that are shared between users.

I don't blindly except the "it is just a drug experience, it is all in ur minds" resoning. By that line of thought all of consentual reality is "just electro-chemistry and is all in ur minds."




well said


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Re: Why Machine Elves? DMT Discussion [Re: Deathcore]
    #19384014 - 01/07/14 05:48 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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its all in ur head




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Re: Why Machine Elves? DMT Discussion [Re: ModestMouse]
    #19384732 - 01/07/14 07:55 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

What is an elf exactly? Surely not those tall goblin/gnome like creatures with magical powers and green pants?

Cause for me that really would be a silly oversimplification of the entities I did see and could never even hope to describe beyond simply saying vaguely aliens or mechanical aliens etc! How can anyone really know if the elves that they saw where the same as the ones Terrance said he saw himself? I've got no idea what an elf even is so how would I know if I saw one? Unless of course if they literally look like the elves from popular culture?

One thing I found that for me gave the hyperspace experience seemingly genuine validity was that none of the creatures I saw there were in anyway stereotypical! They were literally aliens in the sense that I had truly never encountered or conceived them beforehand!

I feel these lord of the rings type descriptions must really be rather misleading for newbies, who no doubt take DMT expecting to find themselves somewhere over a rainbow cavorting with the munchkins and the sugar plum fairy, only to find themselves thundering downwards into the utterly unspeakable ******** ! 

Elves! Pffft...!


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Re: Why Machine Elves? DMT Discussion [Re: lessismore]
    #19385017 - 01/07/14 08:52 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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mio said:
you solved the cube, we came, now you must come with us , taste our pleasures

Ive seen entities on salvia, looked/felt like family , in mid air, they yelled something to me but couldnt understand them so I yelled "what??" back at them repeatedly
and on LSD too in mid air - alien/human looking, often eyes on lsd/mushrooms too

did you get any messages while seeing the eyes?





I swear I felt the presence of my dead uncle on salvia. also had some balls of light stop and say whatsup to me through some doorway. they were just as surprised to see me as I was to see them


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Why Machine Elves? DMT Discussion [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #19385048 - 01/07/14 08:59 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

damn i really want to do salvia again but it's getting hard to source both on the clearnet and darknet, especially being in a state where it aint exactly legal


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Re: Why Machine Elves? DMT Discussion [Re: Jesus Christ]
    #19385070 - 01/07/14 09:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

salvia is one of the only psychs im afraid of. not of the content, but of that spikey bodily feeling it gives.


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Why Machine Elves? DMT Discussion [Re: wolf8312]
    #19385085 - 01/07/14 09:06 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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wolf8312 said:
What is an elf exactly? Surely not those tall goblin/gnome like creatures with magical powers and green pants?

Cause for me that really would be a silly oversimplification of the entities I did see and could never even hope to describe beyond simply saying vaguely aliens or mechanical aliens etc! How can anyone really know if the elves that they saw where the same as the ones Terrance said he saw himself? I've got no idea what an elf even is so how would I know if I saw one? Unless of course if they literally look like the elves from popular culture?

One thing I found that for me gave the hyperspace experience seemingly genuine validity was that none of the creatures I saw there were in anyway stereotypical! They were literally aliens in the sense that I had truly never encountered or conceived them beforehand!

I feel these lord of the rings type descriptions must really be rather misleading for newbies, who no doubt take DMT expecting to find themselves somewhere over a rainbow cavorting with the munchkins and the sugar plum fairy, only to find themselves thundering downwards into the utterly unspeakable ******** ! 

Elves! Pffft...!




i agree that labeling can be limiting. i brought up the elves discussion to see if others could relate to this supposed phenomena, introduced by terence mckenna. i relate to it because i have seen beings that resemble "jesters" more than "elves" in appearance as well as behavior. i think "jesters" is a more accurate description than mckenna's label of "elves". i think someone mentioned this earlier in the thread.

again, i will agree with you that labeling can certainly limit explaining such experiences


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Re: Why Machine Elves? DMT Discussion [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #19385096 - 01/07/14 09:08 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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salvia is one of the only psychs im afraid of. not of the content, but of that spikey bodily feeling it gives.




worst feeling ever. i am a well-seasoned psychonaut, and i won't dare touch salvia. did it 3 times when i was younger...never again


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Re: Why Machine Elves? DMT Discussion [Re: crispy86]
    #19385101 - 01/07/14 09:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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crispy86 said:
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Bill_Oreilly said:
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Aopocetx said:
Has anyone here seen aliens on DMT? In the book DMT: The Spirit Molecule it talks about how a number of test subjects experienced alien abduction.





No aliens. just a UFO.

bt when I IVd 4-aco I felt like aliens in a helicopter landed on my roof and knocked me the fuck out.




were you abducted???





It sure felt like that.


the whole experience was what I expected Terence McKenna imagined DEC 21st 2012 to be like. I died that faithful day I swear to you..


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Why Machine Elves? DMT Discussion [Re: crispy86]
    #19385103 - 01/07/14 09:10 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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crispy86 said:
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Bill_Oreilly said:
salvia is one of the only psychs im afraid of. not of the content, but of that spikey bodily feeling it gives.




worst feeling ever. i am a well-seasoned psychonaut, and i won't dare touch salvia. did it 3 times when i was younger...never again





Same here, brother


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Re: Why Machine Elves? DMT Discussion [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #19385107 - 01/07/14 09:10 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Bill_Oreilly said:
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crispy86 said:
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Bill_Oreilly said:
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Aopocetx said:
Has anyone here seen aliens on DMT? In the book DMT: The Spirit Molecule it talks about how a number of test subjects experienced alien abduction.





No aliens. just a UFO.

bt when I IVd 4-aco I felt like aliens in a helicopter landed on my roof and knocked me the fuck out.




were you abducted???





It sure felt like that.


the whole experience was what I expected Terence McKenna imagined DEC 21st 2012 to be like. I died that faithful day I swear to you..




did you black out?


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Re: Why Machine Elves? DMT Discussion [Re: crispy86]
    #19385113 - 01/07/14 09:12 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

salvia had a very jester and machine/gear like feeling for me like what you guys describe dmt to be like.  like in that movie paprika if anyone's seen it, the dream scene that repeats throughout the movie. im sure some of you that have done dmt or salvia would enjoy it.


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Re: Why Machine Elves? DMT Discussion [Re: crispy86]
    #19385131 - 01/07/14 09:14 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

yes I did. upon shooting, it knocked me over and my body was vibrating in some hyper-state as I layed sideways on my bed. then I blacked out and woke up in another level beyond that. then Terence McKenna raised my consciousness through my tv and I sunk into a machine type state while it felt like something landed on my roof and then I went through my own mind experiencing past lives and the whole 9

at the end I heard McKenna's voice say "that's hyperspace dudeeeee" after I demanded to know what happened

at some point I felt myself at the hands of a Buddha type figure and I asked it what happens at death and I was shutdown and told "that I cannot tell you, you must experience it"

the mind is a supercomputer made of infinity


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Why Machine Elves? DMT Discussion [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #19385167 - 01/07/14 09:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Bill_Oreilly said:
yes I did. upon shooting, it knocked me over and my body was vibrating in some hyper-state as I layed sideways on my bed. then I blacked out and woke up in another level beyond that. then Terence McKenna raised my consciousness through my tv and I sunk into a machine type state while it felt like something landed on my roof and then I went through my own mind experiencing past lives and the whole 9

at the end I heard McKenna's voice say "that's hyperspace dudeeeee" after I demanded to know what happened

at some point I felt myself at the hands of a Buddha type figure and I asked it what happens at death and I was shutdown and told "that I cannot tell you, you must experience it"

the mind is a supercomputer made of infinity




holy shit. that sounds nuts man. sounds like you went through a lot. i did a small amount of 4-aco-dmt a couple years ago, not sure what it was to be honest. only took about a milligram and i was off within 5 minutes. i actually started a thread a while back to ask people what they thought it was. it was advertised as synthesized psilocin :shrug:


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Re: Why Machine Elves? DMT Discussion [Re: crispy86]
    #19385269 - 01/07/14 09:40 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

it was real heavy stuff, but atleast it made sense. i ate 33mg of freebase 4-aco and i had an experience comparable to McKenna's bad mushroom trip where he states it lacked ALL MEANING. this was the same way, i had thoughts from previous days flood my mind at warpspeed all i could do was lay in the fetal position til it was over. that was heavy as well. i still love 4-aco i reminds me of those damn smartass asians


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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