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Quick question about Caapi 10x
    #19385018 - 01/07/14 08:52 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

so i let some caapi leaves soak in iso alcohol for a few days and i now have about 90ml of dark green liquid.  I was wondering if there's anyway to reduce it down faster than just letting it sit in the cup it's in.  I was also wondering, and this may be a dumb question, but if I let it sit on a shallow pan once the iso fully evaporates if it will leave behind the harmalas alkaloids on the dish (or if they'll evaporate too).  I used only 5grams of leaves so maybe it's not enough to do that anyways.  Should I just reduce it down to a lesser amount of liquid and soak on some 500mg of leaf/herb? thanks


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Re: Quick question about Caapi 10x [Re: Jesus Christ]
    #19385033 - 01/07/14 08:56 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

I want to know how you got such an awesome username :ancientaliens:


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Re: Quick question about Caapi 10x [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #19385053 - 01/07/14 09:00 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

:ancientaliens:


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Re: Quick question about Caapi 10x [Re: Jesus Christ]
    #19386687 - 01/08/14 06:51 AM (10 years, 23 days ago)

The harmalas won't evaporate with the isopropanol. But yes you should probably soak an herb with it because that's a very small amount.


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Re: Quick question about Caapi 10x [Re: Aopocetx]
    #19386938 - 01/08/14 08:49 AM (10 years, 23 days ago)

also should freebase the caapi now for optimal pyrolization , vs the harmala salt.  Mix some of the white ashes of hard wood into it: once I used white ash from herb for freebasing rue seed and it worked ok.  let it sit overnight and proceeding with enhancing the leaf. 

Or perhaps just continue putting the extract onto leaf asis with the addition of a second step: a clear surfectantfree ammonia soak to freebase.  Surely let the bit of ammonia evaporate off completely.  A fan may help.


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Re: Quick question about Caapi 10x [Re: flickedbic]
    #19388145 - 01/08/14 01:15 PM (10 years, 22 days ago)

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also should freebase the caapi now for optimal pyrolization , vs the harmala salt.  Mix some of the white ashes of hard wood into it: once I used white ash from herb for freebasing rue seed and it worked ok.  let it sit overnight and proceeding with enhancing the leaf. 





Sorry I'm a little confused since I'm new to all this. What's the difference between using that and caapi leaf?

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Or perhaps just continue putting the extract onto leaf asis with the addition of a second step: a clear surfectantfree ammonia soak to freebase.  Surely let the bit of ammonia evaporate off completely.  A fan may help.




Why would I have to use ammonia to use caapi leaf and not the ashes you mentioned above? and what is leaf asis?

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Re: Quick question about Caapi 10x [Re: Jesus Christ]
    #19388312 - 01/08/14 01:54 PM (10 years, 22 days ago)

there's also some green sludge at the bottom, what could that be?

edit: this is what it looks like




some of it is dry as you can see and some of it is still sludge. isn't the dry stuff what harmala salt looks like? what else could it be?


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Re: Quick question about Caapi 10x [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #19388569 - 01/08/14 02:57 PM (10 years, 22 days ago)

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I want to know how you got such an awesome username :ancientaliens:



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Re: Quick question about Caapi 10x [Re: allseeingike]
    #19390034 - 01/08/14 07:08 PM (10 years, 22 days ago)

shameful bump... the sludge at the bottom has all dried out and it turned out to be about 120mg of something that looks almost identical to this



anyone know if it's harmalas? the rest of the solution is still evaporating so i don't know if this is what i'm looking for


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Re: Quick question about Caapi 10x [Re: Jesus Christ]
    #19390072 - 01/08/14 07:18 PM (10 years, 22 days ago)

I think you made heroin! :eek:







No but really, pretty sure it's indeed harmalas.


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Re: Quick question about Caapi 10x [Re: Aopocetx]
    #19390104 - 01/08/14 07:25 PM (10 years, 22 days ago)

lol thanks. since the rest of the solution is still evaporating i should be expecting more then. how much could 5-6 grams of caapi leaf really get me though? i'm wondering also why it would form into a sludge inside of the solution instead of sitting in it until the iso evaporates completely? maybe i used too much iso?


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Re: Quick question about Caapi 10x [Re: Jesus Christ]
    #19390793 - 01/08/14 09:41 PM (10 years, 22 days ago)

This guy says that iso should never be used: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19133766#19133766


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Re: Quick question about Caapi 10x [Re: s240779]
    #19392528 - 01/09/14 07:31 AM (10 years, 22 days ago)

Are you usong harmalas alone or do you plan to use for changa or pther combinations? Just curious


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Re: Quick question about Caapi 10x [Re: Jesus Christ]
    #19392546 - 01/09/14 07:41 AM (10 years, 22 days ago)

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lol thanks. since the rest of the solution is still evaporating i should be expecting more then. how much could 5-6 grams of caapi leaf really get me though? i'm wondering also why it would form into a sludge inside of the solution instead of sitting in it until the iso evaporates completely? maybe i used too much iso?




Well it could be because there's some water in iso and it's trapped in the gunk. If you spread it out so it has more surface area, it should become solid within a couple days or so.

But now that the guy above said it, you might want to see if iso indeed works for harmala because I thought I read somewhere that it's not very effective. I thought you were using water... my bad, I need to pay more attention when I read. But slightly acidic water (think lemon juice or vinegar) is the way to go I think.

And it shouldn't be a lot from 5g.

If you find out what you got doesn't contain actives, then if you still have the plant material you could just use it again with water and that should get the harmala alkaloids out. Good luck.

Edit: what percentage iso did you use? If it was 75% then it could have worked because the other 25% is water.


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Edited by Aopocetx (01/09/14 07:44 AM)


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Re: Quick question about Caapi 10x [Re: Aopocetx]
    #19393061 - 01/09/14 10:42 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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Are you usong harmalas alone or do you plan to use for changa or pther combinations? Just curious



I was planning on making a small amount of changa.  I didn't even think of the harmalas until I saw the gunk in my solution.

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Edit: what percentage iso did you use? If it was 75% then it could have worked because the other 25% is water.




I used 90%.  I only wanted to make caapi 10x and I heard iso was fine for that over at nexus, i'm not sure if the percentage was good though but it was the highest one when i bought it at  the store.


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Re: Quick question about Caapi 10x [Re: Jesus Christ]
    #19398234 - 01/10/14 10:16 AM (10 years, 20 days ago)

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Are you usong harmalas alone or do you plan to use for changa or pther combinations? Just curious



I was planning on making a small amount of changa.  I didn't even think of the harmalas until I saw the gunk in my solution.

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Edit: what percentage iso did you use? If it was 75% then it could have worked because the other 25% is water.




I used 90%.  I only wanted to make caapi 10x and I heard iso was fine for that over at nexus, i'm not sure if the percentage was good though but it was the highest one when i bought it at  the store.




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Re: Quick question about Caapi 10x [Re: allseeingike]
    #19401264 - 01/10/14 09:23 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

thanks ill keep that in my for next time.

the rest of my solution fully evaporated leaving behind this dark brown/green sticky stuff behind. is this normal? it's funny that by taking out that gunk early I got "purer" and better results than waiting lol. hopefully it's still active though but im not sure. does anyone know if it would be?

it kind of looks like this extract but darker:


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