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Silver in 2014
    #19384899 - 01/07/14 08:29 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

Anyone have any speculation on Silver for 2014. I have been reading that is overdue for a market shift sometime soon. I'm pretty sketched to invest without a little more research. If you keep up with precious metals all the rest Gold, palladium, platinum have already reached some pretty high prices while silver declined. The recent article I have read claim that silver should rebound soon it averagely rebound every 4.2 years and its on 4.7 now.

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Silver and gold prices have been forced lower in the paper markets while the S&P has been levitated with zero-interest rates, HFT and QE. The financial powers-that-be, the political and financial elite, Wall Street, China, India, Russia, and the U.S. Treasury have all benefitted from the suppression of gold and silver prices. Most have also benefitted from QE and the S&P levitation. The surprise is not that gold and silver prices have been pushed lower after their 2011 blow-off rallies, but that the "smack down" has lasted so long in the face of such strong physical demand.

Regardless, regression to the mean is relevant, even in manipulated markets. Expect a trend change in 2014 and much higher gold and silver prices as they rally above their 200 day moving averages.

The ratio of silver prices to the S&P is back to 2008 levels and substantially below the linear trend since 2006. Expect the ratio to regress (rise) to its mean while silver prices rally substantially from here.

Both long and short term time cycles indicate that an important bottom occurred in June of 2013. It appears that a double-bottom occurred in December of 2013. If this double-bottom holds, time cycles suggest that silver will rally strongly in 2014.




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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: Gorlax]
    #19385016 - 01/07/14 08:51 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

While I am not really educated enough on the subject to speculate on whether silver prices will go up I would like to point something out.

In the past most precious metals had little use other then for jewelry and ornamental value. IMO this meant the price was based purely on the perceived value of the metal and had little to do with the practical value.

Gold started to have both practical and perceived value in the late 80s/90s because of its conductive properties. Platinum and palladium had a few practical uses but a lot of their value was purely perceived value.

The use of gold in sophisticated electronics increased into the 2000s which I think is part of the reason (as well as increase in perceived value) that is has shot up so much in the past decade. They are finding more and more uses for platinum and palladium in electronics as well as for catalysts in various chemical reactions that may start to become more commercialized. Platinum prices have reflected this but not so much palladium after it crashed in 01.

IMO silver's price is too dependent on perceived value and I don't think it will go up much. The other precious metals are gaining more and more practical uses and IMO are bound to go up more.

I would take a closer look at palladium since it is the only one to not spike recently.

You may also want to look into rare earth metal prices. Right now China controls almost all of the rare earth mines on earth and has been hoarding it. The US is working on the worlds largest rare earth mine in California that could make the US the #1 producer. Since rare earth metals are essential for high end batteries and also for solar panels their use will continue to grow and prices to skyrocket in the long term. IMO it may be smart to look when the US mine will reach maximum output and short sell rare earths prior to the opening and rebuy after they drop with the new influx of product. Then just hold on for the long haul.


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: Gorlax]
    #19385067 - 01/07/14 09:02 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

Yes, the others may have more value but silver is not far behind. It's used in millions of processes. I'm really trying to see if the wave will come in 2014. The speculation is promising.

over half of all silver is used to make cars, computers, photovoltaic power systems and… synthetic fibers… an increase in global industrial activity would predictably result in an increase in the industrial demand for silver.

It seems like a toss up.. but everytime I don't go with my instinct I miss the wave!!!!!!

Look into it more deeply and give me your thoughts. The estimates i've seen is it shuld hit 40-45 USD. Which buying at the 20$ price now is a huge profit if one buys bulk.


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: Gorlax]
    #19386917 - 01/08/14 08:39 AM (10 years, 23 days ago)

I'm not sure what interest you have in the production cost of silver, but gold is closer to its production cost.  Some people hold weight in the idea that the closer a commodity is to its production cost, the better the buying opportunity.

For example, depending on where gold is mined in the world, the cost to mine/refine/etc...in other words, the production cost is between $800 to $1,200 per ounce.

The production cost of silver is, I think, between $5.00 and $8.00    I'm not 100% sure of silvers production cost but if any feels like doing more research, please post. 

Please know that in comparison to gold, silver prices are more volatile.  You'll see bigger gain (and losses) occur faster with silver than you will with gold.  Maybe what I'm trying to ask is, is there a reason you like silver over gold?

You wrote:
"over half of all silver is used to make cars, computers, photovoltaic power systems and… synthetic fibers… an increase in global industrial activity would predictably result in an increase in the industrial demand for silver."

This is true but there is also MUCH more silver on the planet than gold.  Although silver is used a lot more, its cheaper because ther's more of it.  If industrial production slows, the use for silver will decline.  You can see this with copper prices.  Many use the price of copper to gauge "the worlds economy".  If copper prices are low, the world is slow.  If copper prices are high, we build to the sky.

Same goes for other PM's.  I understand that silver is used for tons of industrial projects but keep this in mind.    Central Banks keep gold... not much silver :wink: 

I personally like both.  :smile:
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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: Lana]
    #19390339 - 01/08/14 08:06 PM (10 years, 22 days ago)

Yeah, the main reason I'm not investing in gold is because I simply don't have the amount to buy reasonable amounts. I also feel like now that the economy is has been steadily recovering that the whole gold thing will take a plunge. I could be totally wrong but the influx of those commercials and such almost seem like those companies are trying to dump their collection to unsuspecting investors.


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: Gorlax]
    #19390710 - 01/08/14 09:22 PM (10 years, 22 days ago)

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Yeah, the main reason I'm not investing in gold is because I simply don't have the amount to buy reasonable amounts.




Mexican "Dos Pesos" can be pretty close or even better rates than 1oz rounds.  I think they are cool.


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: Gorlax]
    #19392965 - 01/09/14 10:12 AM (10 years, 22 days ago)

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Yeah, the main reason I'm not investing in gold is because I simply don't have the amount to buy reasonable amounts.




Ah.. I use to think the same way.  Remember that a pound of feathers weighs just as much as a pound of bricks.

Or in this case, a gram of gold (1 gram Pamp Suisse Gold Bar .9999 Fine (In Assay) - http://www.apmex.com/product/19041/1-gram-pamp-suisse-gold-bar-9999-fine-in-assay - $51.43

costs about the same amount as 2.3 oz. of silver (1 oz Sunshine Silver Bar .999 Fine (V2)- http://www.apmex.com/product/72282/1-oz-sunshine-silver-bar-999-fine-v2 - $22.30

You can even get 1/2 grams of gold if you wanted.  Point is, you're spending the same about of cash, just for two different items.

I'd say diversify but if you've got silver fever, have at it :smile:

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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: Lana]
    #19393070 - 01/09/14 10:44 AM (10 years, 22 days ago)

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Remember that a pound of feathers weighs just as much as a pound of bricks.




But an ounce of gold weighs more than an ounce of feathers.  :wink:


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: Lana]
    #19394646 - 01/09/14 05:04 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

Those bars are pretty nifty!  The Fortuna design on the back of the gold is awesome!  The decoder for the silver is pretty fun also.


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #19396922 - 01/10/14 12:54 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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Lana said:

The production cost of silver is, I think, between $5.00 and $8.00    I'm not 100% sure of silvers production cost but if any feels like doing more research, please post. 





I wonder how the price continues to be elevated if the cost of mining is 1/3rd spot value. Anyways, I certainly hope to see levels around $8-10 for silver again. That would be a wonderful investment opportunity.


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: ManianFH]
    #19397541 - 01/10/14 06:50 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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Lana said:

The production cost of silver is, I think, between $5.00 and $8.00    I'm not 100% sure of silvers production cost but if any feels like doing more research, please post. 





I wonder how the price continues to be elevated if the cost of mining is 1/3rd spot value. Anyways, I certainly hope to see levels around $8-10 for silver again. That would be a wonderful investment opportunity.




I'm not up on the "cost" of mining silver, but as I recall it is considered a "byproduct" of copper or gold mining?  There is a company SLW that as I also recall can buy silver really cheaply from the producers because of a long term contract to buy the by product.

Hey Mick, weren't you buying Maples in my bottom thread?  You must be a real believer if you pay $20 then want a $10 price...


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #19397931 - 01/10/14 09:04 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

Over 75% of silver production is a by-product of copper, gold, and zinc/lead mining, so even if silver drops to $12 oz, that silver is coming into market.

The other 25% of silver production comes from primary silver miners, their cash cost of production is over $20 oz in most cases, with all in costs over $40-50oz. At a certain silver price these mines will close, and that will provide support to the market price.

Industrial demand consumes about 2/3's of the silver production, the price of silver is meaningless to industrial buyers as it remains only a small component of total product cost.

The other 1/3 is investment consumption, this is where the price discovery takes place, what are investors willing to pay for a oz of silver?  A lot depends on the price of other commodities.


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: qman]
    #19397947 - 01/10/14 09:09 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

Thats the thing, its mostly a byproduct so supply is steady, but that especially means that its hard to step UP. You cant just let a base metals mine run on double production to get more silver, itsnot costeffective and simply not feasible, and silver mines tend to bring up COSTLY silver.

Like you said :smile:

Silver is undervalued and its a tiny market so it can suddenly soar upwards, at which point you sell.


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #19398792 - 01/10/14 12:28 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

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Hey Mick, weren't you buying Maples in my bottom thread?  You must be a real believer if you pay $20 then want a $10 price...




I am no expert on silver or the markets. Am looking at this as a long term speculative investment, so a $10 fluctuation to the downside would only inspire more purchasing. I have the money to burn right now and its better spent on silver than on a craps table hehe


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: ManianFH]
    #19399280 - 01/10/14 01:54 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

Silver is a tiny market and it can do sudden crazy things. And big investors try to destabilize timy markets to do just that, so they can profit from it. If you got silver, not paper silver but shiny chiming silver, you can ride along with that and buy and cash in when they do.

Silver is cheap now so its damn good to get in now. Lets not forget, at current prices the average stoner smokes a roll of Maples a month.

Quit for a month and get that roll of Maples and you might one day soon be able to cash in for a week or so for 5x or maybe 10x value.  No need to watch the market too, just post here cause the Shroomery silverbugs will scream bloodly murder when it does happen. Its been said before silver got to $55 and its true now, when silver dips under twenty bucks an ounce but with both hands.

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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: ManianFH]
    #19399429 - 01/10/14 02:29 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

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Hey Mick, weren't you buying Maples in my bottom thread?  You must be a real believer if you pay $20 then want a $10 price...




I am no expert on silver or the markets. Am looking at this as a long term speculative investment, so a $10 fluctuation to the downside would only inspire more purchasing. I have the money to burn right now and its better spent on silver than on a craps table hehe




Craps table lol.  Well yeah, if you are in it for the long haul, you keep buying more if it goes down.  $10 seems a little unlikely, but not out of the realm of possibility looking at a long term chart.  I just think they are making a little too much funny money to see $10 again.


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: Asante]
    #19399841 - 01/10/14 03:57 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

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Quit for a month and get that roll of Maples



Okay, now you've got my interest. It would be pretty cool to have a bunch of silver coins if it's that cheap. What's the best place to buy silver coins, and what are the best coins to get?


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: nooneman]
    #19399896 - 01/10/14 04:05 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

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Wiccan_Seeker said:
Quit for a month and get that roll of Maples



Okay, now you've got my interest. It would be pretty cool to have a bunch of silver coins if it's that cheap. What's the best place to buy silver coins, and what are the best coins to get?




Maples are good especially the animal ones get the most recently minted ones.  Pandas are awesome for potential appreciation as they limit mintages.  Again, recent years are most cost competitive.  Brittanias are beautiful and worth having. 

apmex.com is a good source.  The mint direct tubes are especially good.


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #19400619 - 01/10/14 06:44 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

Is the appreciation worth the extra upfront cost? A roll of 25 maples is 785 or 31.40 a coin. 
These bars link are 22.50 a 222 dollar difference.    How long will it take them to make up that initial extra investment?

I'm just trying to understand the coin guys.  I mean coins are awesome.  I get a 300 year old coin has historical value and certain coins would be exceedingly rarer and more valuable.  But a bag full of silver dimes and quarters is only a few over spot right?  Why would I pay and extra 9 an ounce and have to keep them all fine and clean and spend more time selling.

My bad if I sound noobish or oblivious.


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #19401186 - 01/10/14 09:06 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

After extensive thought, this is the one I'm thinking about buying:
http://www.apmex.com/product/72283/1-oz-sunshine-silver-round-999-fine-v2

However, I might go with the APMEX (even though the apmex is uglier IMO) just because if I ever buy a larger denomination, they will match.


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: nooneman]
    #19401296 - 01/10/14 09:35 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

I can deal with that but it is pretty ugly.


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #19402055 - 01/11/14 01:32 AM (10 years, 20 days ago)

Corporal can you provide the link showing $31.00 maples? They should only be a few bucks above spot, around $22-23.


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: ManianFH]
    #19402229 - 01/11/14 03:27 AM (10 years, 20 days ago)

http://www.apmex.com/product/79544/2014-silver-maple-leaf-horse-privy-25-coin-mintdirect

785 for a roll of 25.

Thats what got me weirded out.

Is it the horse privy mark that makes it more valuable?


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: nooneman]
    #19402235 - 01/11/14 03:36 AM (10 years, 20 days ago)

I agree with the above, APMEX is a great place to start.  And the best silver to get is the silver that is cheapest per troy ounce of pure silver.  At Apmex the best buy is usually what they call "90% Junk Silver" which is old American money minted as 90% silver coins.

Here's a nice affordable product to start out in silver with: Roll of $10 face value in 90% silver coins which costs about 150 bucks and is just $1,99 per oz over spot. For Americans its easy to recognize as valuable and it comes in small units so it makes great barter goods. On the main page of 90% Junk Silver you see you can get many convenient sizes to "make change", from little rolls costing you $16 to big bags costing you $15k.

$10 face value in 90% silver US dollars is about 7.7 troy ounce silver, so about $20 per troy ounce.

By contrast Maples are about $25 a piece, so 20% more expensive, but they are 99,99% silver and a highly valued bullion coin.


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: Asante]
    #19402329 - 01/11/14 04:18 AM (10 years, 20 days ago)

:derfase: yeah thats what I'm thinking.  Ok now I see the rest of the maples at a decent price makes more sense now after some sleep...  Was also missing the purity difference last  night.

I love the clink of silver change.  Brings back memories of raiding my grandparents coin cup as a kid... 


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #19402530 - 01/11/14 06:16 AM (10 years, 20 days ago)

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Is the appreciation worth the extra upfront cost? A roll of 25 maples is 785 or 31.40 a coin. 
These bars link are 22.50 a 222 dollar difference.    How long will it take them to make up that initial extra investment?

I'm just trying to understand the coin guys.  I mean coins are awesome.  I get a 300 year old coin has historical value and certain coins would be exceedingly rarer and more valuable.  But a bag full of silver dimes and quarters is only a few over spot right?  Why would I pay and extra 9 an ounce and have to keep them all fine and clean and spend more time selling.

My bad if I sound noobish or oblivious.




If you want to collect silver coins, the best way is to buy them after first release.  It's always going to be hard to get back even a portion of the numismatic value, so to limit that is key.  The "privy" marks is just one more way the dealers can charge numismatic value.

As for junk silver, I think old american coins make sense.  This is something that probably could be used in time of real monetary shittiness.  A silver dime for example, this is something that is small enough to be used.  However, just imagine who will be buying your silver to give you food.  For example.

Bullion on the other hand, I think makes less sense.  Sure some bars are pretty much like coins, the Johnson Mathey for example.  But to get some oddball bullion may be problematic come time to sell to anyone other than a dealer.  And, who wants that 100 ounce bar if they are selling you something worth an ounce?  As a pure play, a trade to wait for silver to go up, the bullion likely makes the most sense.  Lower markups from spot, and dealers likely buying back at spot.


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: Gorlax]
    #19403647 - 01/11/14 12:36 PM (10 years, 19 days ago)

Good prices on silver right now, Im buying.


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: freeofthought]
    #19404711 - 01/11/14 04:46 PM (10 years, 19 days ago)

just saw silver go up a lil today :0

What about these 2014 1 oz Silver Canadian Maple Leaf.




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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: Gorlax]
    #19406945 - 01/12/14 05:14 AM (10 years, 19 days ago)

A maple is a maple is a maple, its not really numismatic. Just get the cheapest, misc year, damaged ones if they come at a lower price.

Its a BEAUTIFUL coin but the Canadians (bless em) churn em out in great numbers so it doesnt have much numismatic (coin) value, its merit is that its a world recognized, LBMA certified, exact ounce of 99.99% pure silver, ten times purer than the norm, suitable for making colloidal silver and in high demand with smelters to raise the purity of their melt, and backed by the canadian government with 5 canadian dollars per ounce which is the highest fiat backing of any silver bullion coin around.

See a silver maple as an exact ounce of very pure silver with a highly trustworthy stamp of authenticity.


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: Asante]
    #19407047 - 01/12/14 06:10 AM (10 years, 19 days ago)

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A maple is a maple is a maple, its not really numismatic. Just get the cheapest, misc year, damaged ones if they come at a lower price.

Its a BEAUTIFUL coin but the Canadians (bless em) churn em out in great numbers so it doesnt have much numismatic (coin) value, its merit is that its a world recognized, LBMA certified, exact ounce of 99.99% pure silver, ten times purer than the norm, suitable for making colloidal silver and in high demand with smelters to raise the purity of their melt, and backed by the canadian government with 5 canadian dollars per ounce which is the highest fiat backing of any silver bullion coin around.

See a silver maple as an exact ounce of very pure silver with a highly trustworthy stamp of authenticity.




Good points mostly Wiccan, but there are a lot of specialty maples.  I won't be selling my holographic silver coins for spot, that's for damn sure.  Many maples have limited mintages, some are proofs, holographs, colored, etc.

http://www.apmex.com/product/47003/2003-silver-canadian-maple-leaf-5-coin-set-hologram


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #19416416 - 01/14/14 09:07 AM (10 years, 17 days ago)

I've been thinking lately about buying a 100 oz. bar to stash away safely and just forget about... Posting just to follow the activity in this thread while I continue researching and try to make up my mind.


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: Shpongle1]
    #19416750 - 01/14/14 10:37 AM (10 years, 17 days ago)

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I've been thinking lately about buying a 100 oz. bar to stash away safely and just forget about...





If you can spare the money thats a very good idea. If something really wild does happen you got it made.

Something really wild happened to Rhodium years back, making a climb to a high of 40x its low. I dont think that would happen to silver but if it does - holy pennystocks batman, that bar could buy you a foreclosed house free of mortgage. Likewise if the dollar takes a big inflational dive your money in your wallet and bank account become worth a lot less but your silver will soar.


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: Asante]
    #19417828 - 01/14/14 03:16 PM (10 years, 16 days ago)

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Shpongle1 said:
I've been thinking lately about buying a 100 oz. bar to stash away safely and just forget about...





If you can spare the money thats a very good idea. If something really wild does happen you got it made.

Something really wild happened to Rhodium years back, making a climb to a high of 40x its low. I dont think that would happen to silver but if it does - holy pennystocks batman, that bar could buy you a foreclosed house free of mortgage. Likewise if the dollar takes a big inflational dive your money in your wallet and bank account become worth a lot less but your silver will soar.




Hm...  What types of foreseeable negative outcomes would I be in jeopardy of if I were to do that?  And are the prices listed on Ampex for their 100 oz. bars good prices?  I've done a little looking around but I don't really understand how much difference brand and/or condition makes and whether I should buy a well known brand or save a little bit and buy one of the less popular brands.


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: Shpongle1]
    #19418067 - 01/14/14 04:12 PM (10 years, 16 days ago)

Honestly its already at a low (20$ an oz). It could drop to 10$ an oz but it always fluctuates so as long as you got time and the money I think it should pay off. maybe 30$ an oz sometime in 2014

The market saying is if January goes  bad so does the year so maybe wait till the end of January to see how the markets have done then invest accordingly.


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: Gorlax]
    #19419831 - 01/14/14 09:37 PM (10 years, 16 days ago)

Well guys....  I fucking dove in head first.  Just purchased a 100 oz. Johnson Matthey silver bar!  Total price ended up running me $2,128.00.  I'm simultaneously nervous (just until it actually arrives) and also very excited!  I've been thinking about ways to invest a bit of money lately and silver has been on my mind but I woke up this morning with really no intention of making this purchase today.  I'm glad I decided to go for it, I don't think I will regret it.  Now I just can't wait for it to arrive!


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: Shpongle1]
    #19420256 - 01/14/14 11:11 PM (10 years, 16 days ago)

That is awesome man congrats! Its gonna feel good holding 100oz of silver in that form - those bars always remind me of bank vaults.

Im hoping to start accumulating 10 oz bars here and there just as additions to my stash. I was inspired after seeing that movie looper; it would be pretty nice to have 900 bars sitting in a vault 30 years from now hehe.


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    #19421318 - 01/15/14 05:16 AM (10 years, 16 days ago)

Johnson Matthey 100oz bars arent just LBMA certified, so directly tradable, they also have a particularly good reputation with US silverbugs, so you made a good choice there! Price is right too, $21.28 per oz, the silver price may drop much lower but its considered a good price given the upward potential of silver.

Congratulations! Part of your monies are now independent of the Fed and the antics of the fiat currency system.

You bought a ticket in a lottery guaranteed to pay off as long as you're able to hold onto your silver for long enough. Dollar's going ever down so silver is destined to go ever up, as are all commodities.


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: Asante]
    #19421699 - 01/15/14 07:49 AM (10 years, 16 days ago)

Good choice of investment. I woke up and read the BBC news and top new article for the day Global Economy at Turning Point. Which is really promising considering if the economy is good prices are good. What you find interesting is at the peak of the recession all the commercials to buy gold/silver were appearing. Now hopefully a shift backwards.


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    #19421770 - 01/15/14 08:12 AM (10 years, 16 days ago)

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I'm just trying to understand the coin guys.  I mean coins are awesome.  I get a 300 year old coin has historical value and certain coins would be exceedingly rarer and more valuable.  But a bag full of silver dimes and quarters is only a few over spot right?  Why would I pay and extra 9 an ounce and have to keep them all fine and clean and spend more time selling.

My bad if I sound noobish or oblivious.




I'd like to help you with this question.

If you buy silver bars or rounds, you're buying "investment grade silver".    In short, if the price of silver moves, so does the value of your bar or round.  The only value you'll ever receive from that chunk of metal is a bit over spot price.  One of the downfalls of bars/rounds, especially now, is how people question their validity.  Buying PM's is easy, selling isn't so hard either but hand someone a silver bar who's never really dealt in metals before, and I would think that they'd sooner by a coin than a bar/round that doesn't have a mint mark.

With coins, you three different modes of value.  You have the value of the metal, the value of the coin, and lastly the face value of the coin. 

As the years go by, more and more coins are lost, destroyed, etc..  So over time, they generally become more rare.  This is where the numismatic value or "coin collectors" value plays a part.

Then there's the face value.  This usually carries the least amount of value but nonetheless, it holds value.  A $1.00 American Silver Eagle has a face value of $1.00.    Now if for some VERY odd reason silver crashed below a dollar (I highly doubt) than at least you still have the value of...$1.00  :smile:

Lastly, you have the value of the metal itself.  This too can be obtained through metal bars/rounds.

In a way, I guess you could put some kind of "value" on the fact that if your coin or bar/round is IRA approved, that too helps.  As I mentioned above, buying metals is easy.  Selling them is pretty easy too.  But depending on your mode of thought, particularly if you're preparing for a SHTF situation.  Imagine yourself buying silver.  Which would you trust more to be real?  A lead brick covered in silver or a coin that's been minted by a government.  You pay a higher premium for coins because when you go to sell them, you should get a better price than bars/rounds.

I think owning both is great!  Sunshine mint makes some really nice bars.  PAMP makes beautiful bars but the premiums are high (might as well buy coins. :smile:  )


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    #19421961 - 01/15/14 09:18 AM (10 years, 16 days ago)

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PAMP makes beautiful bars but the premiums are high (might as well buy coins. :smile:  )





I have a thing for the PAMP 10oz gold bar. I'm not promoting the merchant but take a look at that bar!





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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: Asante]
    #19422463 - 01/15/14 11:53 AM (10 years, 16 days ago)

Yeah just having that bank vault gold bar in hand would feel amazing. :dawerp:


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: Gorlax]
    #19422587 - 01/15/14 12:25 PM (10 years, 15 days ago)

Thanks guys for the congratulatory remarks and the excitement on my behalf.  Glad to hear I made a good choice with Johnson Matthey.  What little research I did seemed to imply that as well.  Something about that brand just vibed with me.  I have a tendency to prefer high quality, "work horse"-esque over shiny, brand new high quality.  I think this started with audio equipment and has now pervaded other facets of my life.  As beautiful as a lot of these newer bars/coins posted in here are, I actually prefer some of the older, more plain looking bars in terms of aesthetics.  Of course I didn't choose it just based on how it looks, but regardless, once it shows up maybe I'll have to post a picture of my beauty so you can all check it out.

Also, is there anything I should make sure to check out when I get it?  If it is one with a serial number I intend to look it up and just make sure that it is not registered as stolen somehow or something.  I've heard of people x-raying their bars as well.  I thought about potentially taking it to a local siler/gold dealer and have them look at it.  I don't know if they usually charge for these services or not.  If so, I could potentially take it in under the guise of thinking about selling it and have them look it over and then just need some time to think over the offer....


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: Shpongle1]
    #19423252 - 01/15/14 02:51 PM (10 years, 15 days ago)

Don't take it to a gold/silver place! Those people are usually pretty sheisty especially if they are in the ghetto. I knew a lot that would take obviously stolen jewelry! As long as you ordered it from a legit dealer it should be fine. Reputable dealers would be committing grand theft if they gave you a bunk bar.


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: Shpongle1]
    #19426240 - 01/16/14 04:45 AM (10 years, 15 days ago)

Johnson Matthey is a world renowned company that specializes in metals. Not just the usual precious metals but outlandish stuff like Niobium, Tellurium, Indium, Tungsten, they primarily deliver "rare metals" to Labs and Industry, they're not a bullion company, though they do of course have a bullion division. That's why their ingots (bars) are no nonsense, they are expected to be chucked into the crucible on arrival to be smelted and used as a raw material, rather than investment.


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: Asante]
    #19428715 - 01/16/14 03:31 PM (10 years, 14 days ago)

well silver in 2013 was a bust for me.. its the first time I really ever invested in anything at all and boy did it show

I got most my 1oz's and 10ozs at 24 and a bunch more at 26..

everyone was tellin me its goin hit 100 and everything else

make sure you do RESEARCH before u invest into ANYTHING


hopefully I can turn a small profit by the end of 14 but if not atleast I picked up a nice hobby..

im in more of the coin thing then metal at this point

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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: aysen]
    #19428887 - 01/16/14 04:01 PM (10 years, 14 days ago)

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everyone was tellin me its goin hit 100 and everything else





Everyone?  I suspect you were only listening to a few people.  Only the fear mongers spread such ridiculous ideas.

I guess that silver will be under $25 for the next five to ten years.


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    #19429216 - 01/16/14 05:10 PM (10 years, 14 days ago)

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I guess that silver will be under $25 for the next five to ten years.




Wanna bet a 10oz bar of silver on that?  I bet you it won't :smile:


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: Asante]
    #19429496 - 01/16/14 06:02 PM (10 years, 14 days ago)

Of course not, its stacked against me by default.  Why would I bet against a commodity with that commodity?  I have lots to lose and little to gain.

I make my bet by not buying much silver.


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: DieCommie]
    #19429577 - 01/16/14 06:19 PM (10 years, 14 days ago)

How about a crisp 100 dollar bill?  However much thats still worth in 2020?


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: Asante]
    #19459285 - 01/22/14 07:08 PM (10 years, 8 days ago)

For Silver I highly reccomend Monarch precious metals. Their products are carried by many of the coin stores in my area. They specialize in hand poured bars however their 1oz silver buck coin is always sold for just $1 over spot!

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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: Gorlax]
    #19469813 - 01/24/14 10:28 PM (10 years, 6 days ago)

I just picked up a 10oz bar from apmex for 233 after all shipping, fees, blah blah .

I think I'm going to try to buy a 10oz bar per month as a sort of savings plan.  Maybe bigger bars if I can afford it here and there. The bigger bars will make it harder for me to justify selling some off when im broke and want some fancy toy I dont really need.


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: mndfreeze]
    #19470040 - 01/24/14 11:37 PM (10 years, 6 days ago)

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The bigger bars will make it harder for me to justify selling some off when im broke and want some fancy toy I dont really need.




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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: PDU]
    #19470714 - 01/25/14 05:58 AM (10 years, 6 days ago)

Most my silver is in junk silver, so if I need a fractional sell I can make change.


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: Asante]
    #19470941 - 01/25/14 07:58 AM (10 years, 6 days ago)

Just got a 20% pay raise.  going to start piecemealing a PM collection together as a hedge for the next global financial collapse (aka global financial market collapse aka whenever the fed stops printing)


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: memes]
    #19470945 - 01/25/14 07:59 AM (10 years, 6 days ago)

Congratulations, +20% thats just awesome, thats like getting pay for a day a week extra!!


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: Asante]
    #19470972 - 01/25/14 08:09 AM (10 years, 6 days ago)

Yep.  My dad always told me to "save my raises", so I'm going to keep living off of my old salary and save 100% of this.


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: memes]
    #19475248 - 01/26/14 04:59 AM (10 years, 5 days ago)

Congrats and good luck on that!  I've never managed to not grow my cost of living as my raises go up sooner or later. :frown:


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: mndfreeze]
    #19475387 - 01/26/14 05:58 AM (10 years, 5 days ago)

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I've never managed to not grow my cost of living as my raises go up sooner or later. :frown:



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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: memes]
    #19475864 - 01/26/14 09:11 AM (10 years, 5 days ago)

Why is there a difference in price of various silver coins/bars between manufacturers?

aren't they all just .999 silver?  is it that some are more widely accepted?  is it simply branding?  you'd think someone wise enough to hold physical silver would be above placing value on brands -








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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: memes]
    #19475926 - 01/26/14 09:30 AM (10 years, 5 days ago)

Some people collect bars and bullion as collecters items, so brands that don't produce as many are priced higher for obvious reasons. Also, there is the production side of it. If a brand produces less it costs them more to make the product, hence a higher retail.


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: 4nik8]
    #19475952 - 01/26/14 09:39 AM (10 years, 5 days ago)

So if i'm just buying as a wealth hedge, i should get the generic shit?


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    #19475985 - 01/26/14 09:55 AM (10 years, 5 days ago)

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So if i'm just buying as a wealth hedge, i should get the generic shit?




I think you had better stick with Federal Reserve notes.  The full faith thing.

Yeah, buy the cheapest bar you can get.  When the time comes, people will go, what the fuck, is this cheap fucking ass generic shit silver?  We gotta assay it.  We never even seen silver this cheap. 

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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #19476012 - 01/26/14 10:07 AM (10 years, 5 days ago)

:notsureif:

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    #19476029 - 01/26/14 10:11 AM (10 years, 5 days ago)

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    #19476356 - 01/26/14 11:43 AM (10 years, 5 days ago)

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So if i'm just buying as a wealth hedge, i should get the generic shit?




If the price skyrockets, all the distinctions between the different ones dont matter because they are all going to be tossed in a melter.

If the price plummets then the distinctions between your coins, rounds and bars will make a big difference since none of them will be melted down.  If silver went down to single digit prices all of a sudden the premium you paid for pandas, marijuana icons, etc will actually keep your coin/round more valuable than its generic cousins.

As a wealth hedge you should just buy SLV IMO.  The only reason to buy physical is for a hobby/fun or if you really think that a Mad Max future is on the horizon.


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: DieCommie]
    #19476381 - 01/26/14 11:49 AM (10 years, 5 days ago)

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As a wealth hedge you should just buy SLV IMO.  The only reason to buy physical is for a hobby/fun or if you really think that a Mad Max future is on the horizon.



:laugh:



Thanks.


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: DieCommie]
    #19476387 - 01/26/14 11:50 AM (10 years, 5 days ago)

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Buy some Maples.  You know you like it purer.




Purer is worse in this case because it makes them far more fragile for a negligible gain in actual silver weight.  The best thing about maples is their downside protection at $5 Canadian dollars and the fact that they are generally slightly cheaper than eagles.


Personally, I have a mix.  About half of my silver junk silver (90% old currency).  The other half is a mix of rolls of silver eagles and libertads as well as generic rounds and artistic rounds.


Edit - I picked up 17 of these over the summer.  I really like them.  Definitely not what silver bugs would suggest you buy... lol, I like them though and I paid nearly spot for them.

http://www.apmex.com/product/9572/1780-austria-maria-theresa-silver-thaler-au-better-asw-7516


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: DieCommie]
    #19477253 - 01/26/14 03:13 PM (10 years, 4 days ago)

Here is basic question for everyone here excited about buying silver:

If you are buying at 10% or 20% over the spot price and can only easily sell at or below spot price, what kinds of fluctuations are you expecting over what time period to make this make sense? The transaction prices are pretty ridiculous!

(Please correct the assumptions above if they are incorrect and provide the names of buyers and sellers that go against these assumptions.)


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: DieCommie]
    #19477259 - 01/26/14 03:15 PM (10 years, 4 days ago)

Now thats a good price for such an old coin even though its 1/4 from a full ounce.  My friend dug up a 8 reales 5O years older then that.  Something about old coins.  Brings me back to the days of the open sea and the colonies.  1780 smack amidst  the revolutionary war.  When people wore buckles on their shoes and shot muzzle-loader muskets.


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #19477362 - 01/26/14 03:37 PM (10 years, 4 days ago)

No, they are re-strikes.  They have been struck with the 1780 date for hundreds of years and are struck that way today.  This happens more often than you think.  Mexican Dos Pesos are the same way, among other coins.


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: evlovevlove]
    #19477378 - 01/26/14 03:40 PM (10 years, 4 days ago)

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Here is basic question for everyone here excited about buying silver:

If you are buying at 10% or 20% over the spot price and can only easily sell at or below spot price, what kinds of fluctuations are you expecting over what time period to make this make sense? The transaction prices are pretty ridiculous!

(Please correct the assumptions above if they are incorrect and provide the names of buyers and sellers that go against these assumptions.)




Why would I buy for above spot and sell for less than spot?  Only crackheads who steal the silver sell it for under spot.


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: DieCommie]
    #19477395 - 01/26/14 03:42 PM (10 years, 4 days ago)

Oh shit... :doublefacepalm: :rofl:.


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #19477610 - 01/26/14 04:31 PM (10 years, 4 days ago)

Yeah basically just buy from trusted vendors. Nothing more to it. If your trying to collect then buy collectable bars but I'm pretty sure most of us are just trying to make an investment.

- I've been looking at the silver prices everyday and no dramatic changes really. Double dip first week of Jan, rise following week, and now static around 20. Watch February now because as I said if January does fine their will be a spike coming and you don't want to miss that.


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: DieCommie]
    #19477955 - 01/26/14 06:04 PM (10 years, 4 days ago)

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So if i'm just buying as a wealth hedge, i should get the generic shit?




If the price skyrockets, all the distinctions between the different ones dont matter because they are all going to be tossed in a melter.

If the price plummets then the distinctions between your coins, rounds and bars will make a big difference since none of them will be melted down.  If silver went down to single digit prices all of a sudden the premium you paid for pandas, marijuana icons, etc will actually keep your coin/round more valuable than its generic cousins.

As a wealth hedge you should just buy SLV IMO.  The only reason to buy physical is for a hobby/fun or if you really think that a Mad Max future is on the horizon.




Buy SLV?  I was kidding, you apparently are not.  That is horrible advice.  The difference between physical silver, and the scam SLV, is huge.


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: memes]
    #19480554 - 01/27/14 09:43 AM (10 years, 4 days ago)

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So if i'm just buying as a wealth hedge, i should get the generic shit?





First off: no SLV. SLV is paper promises, you need the actual physical metal in your possession. Theres like 10x more paper silver being traded than there is actual real silver. One of these days that house of cards will come tumbling down, people will realize they were promised silver and theres not enough silver around so there'll be a silver run, like a bank run, of people wanting to take delivery of actual silver.

This will cause lots of buying of actual physical silver and the price of physical silver will soar, which only aggrevates the condition.

When that day comes, will you have silver to sell or will you have a stack of paper promises of silver that loses its value?

Now as to your question: Not all silver is alike.  The silver you want is LBMA certified silver, silver by respected melters-assayers that can be traded without the silver having to be tested or weighed.

Good examples are the Royal Canadian Mint with its Maples and bars. Also, the US Mint, with bags of 90% silver dollars and change, and with the Silver Eagle and Gold Eagle bullion coins. Or, the premier manufacturers of silver bullion bars like Engelhard, Johnson-Matthey.

Whats more of a risk is silver ROUNDS. Anyone can stamp and issue silver rounds, for instance companies order minting of silver rounds as gifts for their clients.  Here the minter is NOT certified and it might be a harder sell.  Also with industrial silver, the granulate, theres no stamp warranting authenticity at all and this will always have to be tested before sale.

So to break it down for you to a quick Yes List:

Krugerrand gold coins
Philharmoniker 1oz silver & gold coins
RCM Silver Maples and Gold Maples of 1 oz
US Mint Silver Eagles, Gold Eagles and old 90% silver dollars and change
("90% Junk Silver")
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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #19480561 - 01/27/14 09:46 AM (10 years, 4 days ago)

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memes said:
So if i'm just buying as a wealth hedge, i should get the generic shit?




If the price skyrockets, all the distinctions between the different ones dont matter because they are all going to be tossed in a melter.

If the price plummets then the distinctions between your coins, rounds and bars will make a big difference since none of them will be melted down.  If silver went down to single digit prices all of a sudden the premium you paid for pandas, marijuana icons, etc will actually keep your coin/round more valuable than its generic cousins.

As a wealth hedge you should just buy SLV IMO.  The only reason to buy physical is for a hobby/fun or if you really think that a Mad Max future is on the horizon.




Buy SLV?  I was kidding, you apparently are not.  That is horrible advice.  The difference between physical silver, and the scam SLV, is huge.




If you only plan to hold silver for a ~5 year period or less, then there is nothing wrong with buying SLV, as if something major were to go down, you could sell out before any "scam" sets in. plus, you would have planned to only hold for a short period of time anyhow. If you plan to hold on the longer term, more than ~5 years, then of course, buy physical silver.


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: Bambi]
    #19480624 - 01/27/14 10:08 AM (10 years, 4 days ago)

Thanks, everyone :smile:


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: memes]
    #19480818 - 01/27/14 11:13 AM (10 years, 4 days ago)



My silver came!  It's not the same style as what I had expected but I really don't care. The back of this one is pretty cool with the JM and 2 hammers logo printed all over it. Good shit!


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: Shpongle1]
    #19481215 - 01/27/14 12:55 PM (10 years, 3 days ago)

Damn that looks fucking badass now get a heavy ass gun safe!


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: Gorlax]
    #19481560 - 01/27/14 02:20 PM (10 years, 3 days ago)

I was just wondering this morning whether your silver had come yet.  I remember you saying you had ordered it.



That is fucking SEXYYYYYYY.


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: Shpongle1]
    #19481570 - 01/27/14 02:21 PM (10 years, 3 days ago)

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My silver came!  It's not the same style as what I had expected but I really don't care. The back of this one is pretty cool with the JM and 2 hammers logo printed all over it. Good shit!


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: qman]
    #19482127 - 01/27/14 04:08 PM (10 years, 3 days ago)

Thanks guys!  Pretty psyched to join the club.


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: memes]
    #19482307 - 01/27/14 04:48 PM (10 years, 3 days ago)

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I was just wondering this morning whether your silver had come yet.  I remember you saying you had ordered it.



That is fucking SEXYYYYYYY.




The thing of most importance.  He is holding it in his hand.


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #19482572 - 01/27/14 05:53 PM (10 years, 3 days ago)

If that is how you get your kicks...

The thing of most importance to me is getting a higher return on investment.  That is not done by buying and selling physical coins and bars.


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: DieCommie]
    #19482593 - 01/27/14 05:57 PM (10 years, 3 days ago)

What would make this not an investment? :shrug:


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: Gorlax]
    #19482622 - 01/27/14 06:04 PM (10 years, 3 days ago)

Huh?

You get a higher return on investment by investing in paper silver than you do with physical coins/bars because the spread on coins/bars is higher and the liquidity is lower.  This is why paper silver was invented.


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: DieCommie]
    #19482779 - 01/27/14 06:39 PM (10 years, 3 days ago)

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Huh?

You get a higher return on investment by investing in paper silver than you do with physical coins/bars because the spread on coins/bars is higher and the liquidity is lower.  This is why paper silver was invented.




"This is why paper silver was invented".

And why people still keep trusting in paper.  Because it makes so much sense. 

Well keep it up when that tail wagging the dog finally shows it's fleas, I hope you are into it in full.  Due diligence and all that.


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: DieCommie]
    #19482790 - 01/27/14 06:41 PM (10 years, 3 days ago)

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If that is how you get your kicks...

The thing of most importance to me is getting a higher return on investment.  That is not done by buying and selling physical coins and bars.




Like you could ever figure out the ins and outs of the silver market, using any vehicle.  Give it a rest.


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #19482813 - 01/27/14 06:46 PM (10 years, 3 days ago)

Relax bro, Im not trying to convince you.  I have done pretty well investing over the years by not doing what the chicken littles in this, and other, corners of the internet preach.  I never claim to know the ins and outs of silver, Im just posting basic ideas.

I wonder if you have shorted SLV based on your opinions?  I would hope so, because if not then I would suspect your are just talking bullshit.  I personally dont know and dont own SLV.  I have in the past and may again in the future.  Maybe Ill get SIVR instead.  I think we can take it for granted that you are against that too.


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: DieCommie]
    #19482833 - 01/27/14 06:51 PM (10 years, 3 days ago)

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Relax bro, Im not trying to convince you.  I have done pretty well investing over the years by not doing what the chicken littles in this, and other, corners of the internet preach.  I never claim to know the ins and outs of silver, Im just posting basic ideas.

I wonder if you have shorted SLV based on your opinions?  I would hope so, because if not then I would suspect your are just talking bullshit.  I personally dont know and dont own SLV.  I have in the past and may again in the future.  Maybe Ill get SIVR instead.  I think we can take it for granted that you are against that too.




Just because it's not a buy, doesn't make it a short.  You are the one talking complete bullshit.  Don't recommend SLV over real silver investments, based on your bullshit idea of what makes a market.  You sound like a fool.


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #19482850 - 01/27/14 06:54 PM (10 years, 3 days ago)

Thx for sharing.  Are you going to reply like this every time I post an opinion in this forum?  :yawn:

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Just because it's not a buy, doesn't make it a short.




The way you are talking absolutely does.  If its a scam destined to fail then you should be shorting it.  Otherwise, its just going to go on tracking silver.


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: DieCommie]
    #19482860 - 01/27/14 06:55 PM (10 years, 3 days ago)

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Thx for sharing.  Are you going to reply like this every time I post an opinion in this forum?  :yawn:




No, but when you talk smack be prepared for it.  Now it turns out you really don't know shit about SLV, you just recommended it for no reason.  People are on here for real advice, not some joker like you.


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: LunarEclipse] * 1
    #19482868 - 01/27/14 06:57 PM (10 years, 3 days ago)

You are the arbiter of "real advice" now?  I think memes can make that call on his own.

I think your style of posting here in inappropriate and immature.  You have wasted space and derailed the thread by getting butthurt over an opinion that wasnt even directed at you.

You win, Im going to let you rule the forum and leave.  Your advice shall be the "real advice".


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: DieCommie]
    #19483170 - 01/27/14 07:42 PM (10 years, 3 days ago)

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You are the arbiter of "real advice" now?  I think memes can make that call on his own.

I think your style of posting here in inappropriate and immature.  You have wasted space and derailed the thread by getting butthurt over an opinion that wasnt even directed at you.

You win, Im going to let you rule the forum and leave.  Your advice shall be the "real advice".



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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: Gilgamesh18]
    #19483206 - 01/27/14 07:48 PM (10 years, 3 days ago)

Everyone who holds real wealth in their own hands will not be bailed in, devalued, or left holding worthless paper if worse comes to worst.


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: Gorlax] * 1
    #19483496 - 01/27/14 08:44 PM (10 years, 3 days ago)

i have to say, diecommie sounds like a huge troll... but i own uslv as well as some physical silver, but i seem to side with diecommie when he isnt as trolllish


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: Shpongle1]
    #19484855 - 01/28/14 05:36 AM (10 years, 3 days ago)

Look at that JM bar, thats $2K of your dollars that the Fed can't inflate out of your hands.

Silver is very volatile so it can fly off in any direction at any time :grin:


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: Bambi]
    #19486595 - 01/28/14 02:56 PM (10 years, 2 days ago)

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i have to say, diecommie sounds like a huge troll...



lol, diecommie is anything but a troll.  granted, his opinions are - at times - expressed in contest with the common views of a thread.  but that, in an of itself, does not make him a troll.  it makes his advice all the more valuable.  the two-letter 'no' in a group of 'yes' men is worth infinitely more than its three-letter counterpart.


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: memes]
    #19486730 - 01/28/14 03:24 PM (10 years, 2 days ago)

It's not like anyone here isn't open to opinion but when you have no factual anything to back any of your claims and your just saying shit.. that's trolling.


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: Gorlax]
    #19486780 - 01/28/14 03:33 PM (10 years, 2 days ago)

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It's not like anyone here isn't open to opinion but when you have no factual anything to back any of your claims and your just saying shit.. that's trolling.



OK since everyone seems to be confused, let's break this down.





He said:
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DieCommie said:
The thing of most importance to me is getting a higher return on investment.  That is not done by buying and selling physical coins and bars.




Then he provided support for his claim when it was challenged:
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You get a higher return on investment by investing in paper silver than you do with physical coins/bars because the spread on coins/bars is higher and the liquidity is lower.  This is why paper silver was invented.




His point is valid.  Nobody will contest that it's extremely difficult to find physical silver at spot value.  Most of the time you seem to be paying 5-10% above spot.  When you sell, it's more difficult - as physical possession is involved - and you're likely not going to get the same premium above spot as you paid.  The easier it is to sell back, the lower you'll get for your physical silver




then more responses
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"This is why paper silver was invented".
And why people still keep trusting in paper.  Because it makes so much sense.
Well keep it up when that tail wagging the dog finally shows it's fleas, I hope you are into it in full.  Due diligence and all that.




annd then goes back to DC's original contention and belittles him:
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Like you could ever figure out the ins and outs of the silver market, using any vehicle.  Give it a rest.





and then they continued back and forth.











Fact of the matter is:  DC's opinion is valid and welcomed, and the rest of you got testy because DC's goals didn't mimic your goals.  You want physical silver because you don't trust in fractional reserve banking.  DC wants a wealth hedge, and buys e-silver accordingly.  In the end, its a truly silly argument.  But i do not complain, as your debate serves me till the end:  i pull from it the nuggets of knowledge that I choose apply to my situation


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: memes]
    #19486786 - 01/28/14 03:34 PM (10 years, 2 days ago)

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i have to say, diecommie sounds like a huge troll...



lol, diecommie is anything but a troll.  granted, his opinions are - at times - expressed in contest with the common views of a thread.  but that, in an of itself, does not make him a troll.  it makes his advice all the more valuable.  the two-letter 'no' in a group of 'yes' men is worth infinitely more than its three-letter counterpart.




Oh i know, I wasnt calling him a troll, just that the way he makes his posts seems kinda trollish sometimes and not just because he is the dissenting opinion. Which is the side i tend to be on when it comes to silver on the shroomery.


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: Bambi]
    #19486792 - 01/28/14 03:35 PM (10 years, 2 days ago)

well, yeah.  he's very blunt with his messages.  very zappa-esque in that regard.  probably comes from being over the age of 20


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    #19487091 - 01/28/14 04:33 PM (10 years, 2 days ago)

... I'm pretty sure all of us are above 20 years old.

anyways... both have ups and downs. like any investment..

I can throw 300 other curve balls into this thread to start any argument.. like physical silver is stupid buy mining stocks.. or buy precious metals certificates..

but...

Owning physical SILVER is the best way of investing. Sure you pay a few dollars above the spot price and shipping but the final return is what matters and you physically have the silver. ETF's are more suited for short term trading in huge quantities that would make shipping ridiculous.. I'm pretty sure none of us are fork lifting bricks. On the other hand physical silver is best suited for long term..

Silver ETF's downside is you don't even own the silver, you just own a part of a trust that stores and protects silver.
also you can't ever trade an ETF for physical silver so your just buying shares not owning silver at all...


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: Gorlax]
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yeah, nobody disagrees


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: memes]
    #19568923 - 02/15/14 03:59 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Lets get back to talking metals you filthy skankwhoregoblinanus's


I got my 10oz bar o silver a little while back.  Its neato keen!  Just so happens the paycheck I just received is my mid-month 'extra' check so its time to buy another 10oz bar!

woot!

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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: mndfreeze]
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It's not like anyone here isn't open to opinion but when you have no factual anything to back any of your claims and your just saying shit.. that's trolling.



OK since everyone seems to be confused, let's break this down.





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DieCommie said:
The thing of most importance to me is getting a higher return on investment.  That is not done by buying and selling physical coins and bars.




Then he provided support for his claim when it was challenged:
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You get a higher return on investment by investing in paper silver than you do with physical coins/bars because the spread on coins/bars is higher and the liquidity is lower.  This is why paper silver was invented.




His point is valid.  Nobody will contest that it's extremely difficult to find physical silver at spot value.  Most of the time you seem to be paying 5-10% above spot.  When you sell, it's more difficult - as physical possession is involved - and you're likely not going to get the same premium above spot as you paid.  The easier it is to sell back, the lower you'll get for your physical silver




then more responses
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"This is why paper silver was invented".
And why people still keep trusting in paper.  Because it makes so much sense.
Well keep it up when that tail wagging the dog finally shows it's fleas, I hope you are into it in full.  Due diligence and all that.




annd then goes back to DC's original contention and belittles him:
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Like you could ever figure out the ins and outs of the silver market, using any vehicle.  Give it a rest.





and then they continued back and forth.











Fact of the matter is:  DC's opinion is valid and welcomed, and the rest of you got testy because DC's goals didn't mimic your goals.  You want physical silver because you don't trust in fractional reserve banking.  DC wants a wealth hedge, and buys e-silver accordingly.  In the end, its a truly silly argument.  But i do not complain, as your debate serves me till the end:  i pull from it the nuggets of knowledge that I choose apply to my situation




Why don't you explain then in detail how holding fractional paper silver not backed by real silver is the same as holding physical silver?  Can't wait to see what "nuggets" you pull out.

"DieCommie claims SLV is a wealth hedge, and buys e-silver accordingly".  Later, he admits he hasn't a clue about SLV.  Did he even read the prospectus???  Of course not.  Wealth hedge?  What does this even mean?  He's too wealthy, so he wants to hedge against it?

DC also contends that owning Maples with .9999 purity is less desirable because the higher purity metal is softer than .999 and won't hold up to being circulated?  Not even sure why someone would handle any coin that they buy from the mint other than by the edges and only once in a while.  So, why on earth would .9999 purity backed by $5 Canadian be less desirable than .999 backed by either zero dollars, or $1 in the case of the American eagle?

To say "this is why paper silver was invented" made me LOL.  If he's not a troll, and truly believes in "paper silver", then he deserves all the SLV he can get to make his "wealth hedge" happen.

Nowhere did anyone on this thread say there isn't a spread on coins and silver bars.  We tried to help others find the best coins, and best bars.  Jokers like DC who come in and upset the silver cart deserve derision.  I think recommending SLV to anyone is a shame, and will speak out against that scam every time.

Besides Memes, weren't you touting the stock market crash at the bottom of this last dip?  Really, you are one of the last people I would personally listen to about investments.


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #19618619 - 02/25/14 09:02 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

downtrend resistance line in place since November 28, 2012 was broken on February 4, 2014



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edit: nevermind it was 11 days ago


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: memes]
    #19620235 - 02/26/14 10:03 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

I need to invest in some silver as well. On the Game, Shivers II, they discover silver and its worth a lot of money.


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    #19622440 - 02/26/14 05:40 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Hate to tell ya bud, but you are getting ripped off to shit. You're paying like a 25% premium for the silver, it has to go up 25% for you to make a profit, never mind the cut you take when you sell it.
Check out local coin stores.

EDIT: Closer to 15% I forgot silver rose a little


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    #19623072 - 02/26/14 07:41 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Hate to tell ya bud, but you make it abundantly clear you are not speaking from experience having had sold such pieces in an active market.

Maybe when you tell someone they are getting ripped to shit you should have some first hand experience in that business.

In my local market there is high demand for metals and high premiums in the secondary market are the norm.


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    #19623177 - 02/26/14 08:04 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah not sure what he is talking about. If the value increases it increases. I can sell 1oz of silver on eBay right now for way above spot!! probably 30$..

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    #19623195 - 02/26/14 08:08 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

oops, forgot my opinion is not wanted or allowed here.


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    #19623373 - 02/26/14 08:43 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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Maybe when you tell someone they are getting ripped to shit you should have some first hand experience in that business.




You're right, I don't have first hand experience getting ripped to shit. Silver has a very clear value and it's not worth overpaying for, from an investment standpoint, in my opinion anyway. Sure, an oz of silver may go for $30, but it may be a specialty/collectors coin. The point is to try to get it for as close to spot price as possible, if its an ordinary non-collector bar.
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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: Destitute]
    #19624394 - 02/27/14 12:49 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

If anyone knows of a place that is cheaper then .69 cents/oz over spot for just plain.999 fine bars let me know.  Obviously shipping sucks but I dont see much of a way around that unless I buy local, and the local places I've checked so far seem to be much higher then I'm paying online, even with the shipping costs. :frown:


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    #19625086 - 02/27/14 08:23 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

The infamous debate of 'paying a high premium is foolish' or

"You're paying like a 25% premium for the silver, it has to go up 25% for you to make a profit, never mind the cut you take when you sell it.
Check out local coin stores.

EDIT: Closer to 15% I forgot silver rose a little "

The reason that this isn't really true is due to the joys of market forces/pressures.  Dealers can and are charging high premiums simply because they can.  People are already paying and may continue to pay the high premiums, if they weren't the premiums would not be so high.

Same goes for selling it.  If you paid a 15% premium, this tells me that you can probably sell it now for roughly the same amount.  It's what the market is willing to bare at the moment. 

Now a year or two or five years from now that may change.  It may get better or worse, but just like the price of the metal, you'll never know until it happens :smile:

Now with all this in mind, a more experienced buyer may look for a price with a lower premium but when markets have a strong demand (experienced or novice) buyers don't matter to the seller.  The seller knows they can move the product.  Knowing this enables them to tack on a higher premium.    If the seller is inexperienced and can't sell what they have... then they should probably lower their premium because they can't (for whatever reason) sell their product.

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    #19625481 - 02/27/14 10:30 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

I keep forgetting to subscribe to this thread. I think I may set an exit point of $40 for half my silver and $50 for the second half. I believe silver will eventually end up higher than that. I have an internal debate where I love silver because of the protection it affords against inflation of fiat currencies - plus it's nice to have to put my savings in a form where I can't transfer them to spend with a couple clicks of the mouse if I convince myself that I really want/need something. I have to balance that with my environmental conscious where the mining of precious metals is very environmentally taxing. Not sure what I'll end up doing yet.

If I could exit silver and put my returns into becoming self-sustaining (water filtration system - vegetable seeds/gardening equipment to grow my own food, etc.), that might be best for me.


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: mndfreeze]
    #19629388 - 02/28/14 06:48 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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If anyone knows of a place that is cheaper then .69 cents/oz over spot for just plain.999 fine bars let me know.  Obviously shipping sucks but I dont see much of a way around that unless I buy local, and the local places I've checked so far seem to be much higher then I'm paying online, even with the shipping costs. :frown:




Yeah all my local places want like $3+ over spot per oz. :thumbdown:

Ive always loved http://www.monarchpreciousmetals.com/ their 1oz silver buck is always $1.00 Over Spot. All of their products are hand poured and stamped. Just got a 5oz bar ill be posting in my Metal Porn thread soon :heart:

Depending on how much you order, shipping is always reasonable, $7 - $12 in U.S. no tax, though you want to pay with a money order as otherwise they make you pay whatever your cc company charges them.


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: applesmasher420]
    #19633229 - 03/01/14 01:57 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah I noticed that with apmex as well, if you pay by bank wire its cheaper, they add on extra fees if you use your credit card which is annoying as hell but at least it seems like you are having a similar experience as me.  apmex is 69 cents per oz over spot for secondary 'grab bag random' silver.  Meaning you dont know what you will get, it might be rounds, or bars, all various sizes shapes and condition, but its always .999 fine silver to the weight you order. 

Shipping with them is 9.99 flat it seems.  So it def is better to buy more at once if you can since the additional 'fees' really cut into your pricing if you orer lower amounts.  I dont plan on ever buying less then 10 oz at a time, next time I might go 20 if I can afford it.  I'm trying to look at this as a long term investment that has some stability but also is harder to get the bug ton buy some useless toy and spend it.  The amount of work it takes to sell it in order to turn it into spendable cash will keep it nice and locked away until I have a REAL emergencey or the market is just so damn good I cant pass up selling.

I love that silver has such a heavy industrial use that it should stand the test of time well, but it seems a lot harder to get those BIG fluctuations like gold,plat or palladium have.  But I'm still new to this.


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    #19633719 - 03/01/14 07:28 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Id say Gold & silver might have a bit of a rally on Monday with Russia's troop movements into the Ukraine causing uncertainty...Would have to agree with Jim Rogers that the overall trend of 2014 will be negative so Im holding out till 2015...Unless of course the Ukraine thing spirals out of control, then the skys the limit


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the overall trend of the markets?


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apmex is 69 cents per oz over spot for secondary 'grab bag random' silver.
Shipping with them is 9.99 flat it seems.  .




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    #19638550 - 03/02/14 07:49 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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the overall trend of the markets?




Trend for Gold & Silver...cant find the vid at the mo, said after that its going to make serious gains though


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the overall trend of the markets?




probably best described as neutral at this point.  midway between resistance and support which are not far apart.  silver has shown good support at 20 but ran into resistance as it approached 22.5.  now in the middle.  broken out of the bearish channel just recently, but not a bull market yet either.


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    #19741694 - 03/24/14 04:22 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

sub $20


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Silver at 20.01 currently.  Keeeeep on droppin please so I can buy some more chunks.


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Silver at 20.01 currently.  Keeeeep on droppin please so I can buy some more chunks.




Imagine you are JPM and could control the price of the SLV.  Then you could sell both strike price 20 weekly put and call options against shares, and isn't that amazing both are only worth a penny come expiration on Friday.  Just happens to close at 20.01.

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    #19847532 - 04/15/14 07:32 AM (9 years, 9 months ago)

Its been said before years ago, was proven right and will be again: The price may drop lower but silver under $20 is a good buy.

Just a speck of bad news and it will double, then drop like a brick, quite unlike gold, and if the bad news is here to stay, it will soar.

The longterm trend of all commodities is up, if only by inflation, so silver will always go up in the long run.


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    #19858202 - 04/17/14 01:27 AM (9 years, 9 months ago)

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Its been said before years ago, was proven right and will be again: The price may drop lower but silver under $20 is a good buy.

Just a speck of bad news and it will double, then drop like a brick, quite unlike gold, and if the bad news is here to stay, it will soar.

The longterm trend of all commodities is up, if only by inflation, so silver will always go up in the long run.





Those touting silver as a magical investment medium often downplay its significant detractions as you have here.

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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: thescientist]
    #19858704 - 04/17/14 05:42 AM (9 years, 9 months ago)

I just sold my first silver ever. If I had money I would be buying but have to pay off the bills and didn't leave enough of a cash fund in case I had to do this. Oh well, live and learn.


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    #19858733 - 04/17/14 06:02 AM (9 years, 9 months ago)

Where do you buy silver ? Amazon?


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    #19858734 - 04/17/14 06:03 AM (9 years, 9 months ago)

Apmex, silvertowne, e-bay. Plenty of others too.


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Where do you buy silver ? Amazon?




All major centers have coin shops, foreign exchanges, banks and other venues that sell various types of silver. Also try pawn shops and places that buy sell gold/silver.

Call around, find out who sells what and at what premium over the spot price.

Many places have variable premiums on certain common products such as American Eagles or Canadian Maples. These can range from ~$2-$4.


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    #19864302 - 04/18/14 08:27 AM (9 years, 9 months ago)

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There is little good that can be said about investing in something whose most likely outcome is matching inflation.





Silver is very volatile, it bounces up and down like mad, offering buy/sell opportunities if you hold on for the right moments. Even if the underlying outcome will be a matching of inflation, which it wont as silver is becoming increasingly rare and in higher demand,l theres still sell peaks and buy valleys for you to increase your capital with.


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: Asante]
    #19869435 - 04/19/14 06:55 AM (9 years, 9 months ago)

I just ordered another 5oz of secondary market silver from apmex.  Normally I like to always buy at least 10oz at once to help cut the shipping and handling and credit card fees down a bit more per oz but im a little more broke this check then normal.


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Damn now there's some silver porn.


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I figured now was a great time to buy I will resell when it hits 25-26 an ounce super excited!


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Just got a monster box of eagles!





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???? :mindblown:  what?!


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Quote:

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Just got a monster box of eagles!





Do you have any pictures of the monster box you received?



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Just got a monster box of eagles!





I hate you so much!  GIMMIE.

:laugh:

I've been putting the max matched investment into my 401k through my work since its free money up to 6%, which cuts into my buying silver.:frown:  But I look at the silver as a fun and harder to find an excuse to spend sort of saving.  But it does mean I have to do smaller amounts every other check since my rent check is when most of my big bills come also, so that entire check is gone basically.

But being a few months shy of 36 (holy fuck really? WHEN DID THAT HAPPEN) and having lost my 401k TWICE to shady companies and bankrupcy, I need to build that puppy up in catch up mode or I'll be screwed at 65.


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Oh, and how much did you order in your monster box anywho?


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: Gilgamesh18]
    #19892976 - 04/24/14 12:56 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

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Just got a monster box of eagles!





Woo-hoo, congratulations! Like said, its a good time to buy.


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: Asante]
    #19894775 - 04/24/14 06:42 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

Hi Asante, I believe you are dutch? I am from the UK. What's the best way to buy silver here in Europe? There is this bullionvault which is VAT free (although holding fee is 0.5%) but I'm concerned it's a scam. Then there is ordering from Germany at 7% or apparently Estonia for free? :confused:

Also are there any other good methods people here are using to secure wealth against inflation?


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: Grapefruit]
    #19901827 - 04/26/14 03:55 AM (9 years, 9 months ago)

Did your nation in recent history have a silver coin as its currency?  If so, this coin is probably VAT exempt for having been money where you live.

This is the case in Holland, up until the 1970s we had silver Guldens and now these within our country are VAT exempt due to having been our former currency. Theres a lively national trade in them at around spot, but once you export them you have to pay VAT.


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: Asante]
    #19902587 - 04/26/14 10:19 AM (9 years, 9 months ago)

No, you don't have to pay capital gains tax on our own coins but they are still at 20% VAT. :sad:


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: Grapefruit]
    #19905997 - 04/27/14 05:10 AM (9 years, 9 months ago)

The UK - preventing citizens from expanding their wealth since the early 1980s.


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: Asante]
    #19931150 - 05/02/14 08:41 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

I locked in 100 silver bars from south Africa for 18$ each. I'm picking up tomorrow but I'm wondering how a large dealer can sell these below spot and make money.

They're legit and no worries on authenticity but I'm curious to know how a dealer would make money off these below spot.

Are they banking on silver dropping more so they liquidate stock now?

They're from Rand Refinery if that helps any.

I locked in at 18.22 and bulk got me down to 18.12 each. I see silver is 19.04 this morning.

Is rand refinery bottom of the barrel? Like on par with art bars?

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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: Adden]
    #19931754 - 05/02/14 12:33 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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I locked in 100 silver bars from south Africa for 18$ each. I'm picking up tomorrow but I'm wondering how a large dealer can sell these below spot and make money.

They're legit and no worries on authenticity but I'm curious to know how a dealer would make money off these below spot.

Are they banking on silver dropping more so they liquidate stock now?

They're from Rand Refinery if that helps any.

I locked in at 18.22 and bulk got me down to 18.12 each. I see silver is 19.04 this morning.

Is rand refinery bottom of the barrel? Like on par with art bars?

Thanks..




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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: thescientist]
    #19934147 - 05/02/14 11:10 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

Fer reeellzz, link it up, I want some under spot silver!  I dont even care if its jacked up tertiary market as long as it weighs out and is .999 like its supposed to be!


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: mndfreeze]
    #19934149 - 05/02/14 11:12 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

Is it coming from a pawn shop?  Its possible they paid way less then spot for it because someone pawned against it and never paid up or whatever, or they jewed someone bad with their pawn shop ways and are worried its going to drop out farther and they start to lose money.


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: mndfreeze]
    #19935427 - 05/03/14 09:25 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

Looks like it was dumb luck at the right time. They had a dynamically updated ad that I guess didn't jive with their quantity price break. As silver got higher their premium did too which I think they meant to be inversely proportional. I wonder how much they lost out. Now it's 1.90 over spot no matter what quantity. Right place right time but they honored it all the same.


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: Adden]
    #19935776 - 05/03/14 11:55 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

Edit.


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: Adden]
    #19936614 - 05/03/14 04:05 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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Looks like it was dumb luck at the right time. They had a dynamically updated ad that I guess didn't jive with their quantity price break. As silver got higher their premium did too which I think they meant to be inversely proportional. I wonder how much they lost out. Now it's 1.90 over spot no matter what quantity. Right place right time but they honored it all the same.




Post the bill of sale.

Your claims do not jive.


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: thescientist]
    #19937287 - 05/03/14 07:12 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: Peachette]
    #19938760 - 05/04/14 02:18 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

I'm confused,  You recently came across them in 1973?  You got 50 seperate coins that are 1 Troy oz of .999 SILVER, but they are gold plated?

Picsplz?

50oz of silver isnt exactly a tiny amiount.


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: mndfreeze]
    #19939265 - 05/04/14 08:25 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: Adden]
    #19940608 - 05/04/14 02:51 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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I locked in 100 silver bars from south Africa for 18$ each. I'm picking up tomorrow but I'm wondering how a large dealer can sell these below spot and make money.

They're legit and no worries on authenticity but I'm curious to know how a dealer would make money off these below spot.

Are they banking on silver dropping more so they liquidate stock now?

They're from Rand Refinery if that helps any.

I locked in at 18.22 and bulk got me down to 18.12 each. I see silver is 19.04 this morning.

Is rand refinery bottom of the barrel? Like on par with art bars?

Thanks..




I think since they are a refinery they can pretty much set it where they want to.  Kinda like at wholesale price from the manufacturer?


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #19941200 - 05/04/14 05:26 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

Hah cool.  It just seems so odd to have them gold plated when they are silver bars.  But hey, what do I know.  As for them having some sort of value above straight silver and whatever small amount of gold gets melted off (not much Im guessing, since plating is so thin) really boils down to how collectible they are and I would think there is some form of booklet or magazine that comes out with values on all the common coins and such. 

I do know there is some different laws regarding rounds and 1oz bars to where just about anyone can mint them up, so a lot of them out there minted by unknown company A or B are only worth their raw value in metal because no one has heard of them or cares or their could be millions upon illions made.

Who minted them exactly, and can you post a serial number or two and perhaps someone here can reference it and has a better idea of any collectible value above the raw metal mark.

Also since they do have gold over them I can see it as sort of a red flag for a lot of buyers because they dont keep them in that form to sell in a coin store as what they are, they would ahve to go through a melt processes to get the gold off of the silver and what not.  Have you conacted apmex about them?  Supposedly they have decent buy pricing for coins and collectibles, at least it seems like they would.  If those are really worth something over spot they should at least reflect that in their offer to buy them.  Check their site since they have a lof of silver and gold forms for sale, bars, coins, rounds, all sorts of rarities and collectibles, or just plain metals, but they often list their buy price right next to their selling price in case you want to sell to them rhar specific item, and if you cant find them listed on their website, call and they will know how to find and value it.


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: mndfreeze]
    #19941937 - 05/04/14 08:51 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

Peach,

The easiest way to determine the market value of your product is to find recent sales on ebay.

A quick search turned up your set as well as sales for single bars from the set and the empty wood case for $119.

Not much to it.


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: thescientist]
    #20024939 - 05/22/14 12:59 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

Someone was telling me he thinks its going to go to 50 an ounce.  What say ye?

Also is 23 decent price or could I find something closer to spot?  The plus side is short distance and no shipping.


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #20026579 - 05/22/14 07:12 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

Maybe one day.

Time frame is everything.

Will it go to $50 this year?

imo, No.

$23 delivered is ok.

Do some research.


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: thescientist]
    #20026769 - 05/22/14 07:53 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

Always researching man.  I hear ya.  Guy said he thought it would soon.  I was just wondering if I missed some news.
23 is at a local shop.  5 min drive.


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #20027902 - 05/23/14 12:30 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

What are you getting?
ASE's?


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: thescientist]
    #20028267 - 05/23/14 02:09 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah and he has some bars and a lot of coins.


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #20028435 - 05/23/14 03:41 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

A buy opportunitiy like this one doesnt mean shit if you don't have money to sink into silver. :mad:

I am looking to replace some hardware like a fridge and oven and also considering giving ETF's a go to go for some shortterm cash.

Silver clearly seems for the long haul at this point. Unless theres a big economic seizure I dont expect $50 silver this year.

My major sell point for silver is 60 euros an ounce.


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: Asante]
    #20408579 - 08/12/14 12:14 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Keep an eye on ebay. I just snagged a ton of silver US currency far below spot. Got three rolls of walking libs for about 180 dollars. If I sold them today that's a 252 dollar profit.

You've really gotta search and dig but I attribute this to a lack of buyers. I can't believe some of these bids.

Careful though. Some sellers are trying to do a bait and switch; sell one lot of items cheap as no other then gouge the funk out of their other sales.

It took me a lot of time to find them, but they're there.

Usually the estate buyer ones are the best. I've seen their prices drop on the coin general grades but melt is melt is melt...


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Re: Silver in 2014 [Re: Adden]
    #20412456 - 08/13/14 10:17 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

make sure its not just plated silver. I've seen what look like regular silver bars but reading the descriptions they slip in silver plated.. basically worthless


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