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RanOutOfWeed
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Cold House. Need HEAT PAD ASAP!
#19383196 - 01/07/14 03:38 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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I'm doing PF tek. 10 jars in a tote
5 days no growth, house is around 68 degrees. winter 
Can anyone link me a good heat pad so i can get these jars what they deserve?
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Re: Cold House. Need HEAT PAD ASAP! [Re: RanOutOfWeed]
#19383202 - 01/07/14 03:39 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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no heat pad thats a bad idea, heat your room or be patient they will colonize at those temps and five days is nuthing to worry about
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Re: Cold House. Need HEAT PAD ASAP! [Re: cronicr]
#19383316 - 01/07/14 03:58 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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Seen plenty of posts about heating pads ruining their grow. Get a TiT incubator or just warm the room. My cakes are colonizing well and they prolly dip down to 68 some nights.
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Re: Cold House. Need HEAT PAD ASAP! [Re: cronicr]
#19383356 - 01/07/14 04:05 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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cronicr said: no heat pad thats a bad idea, heat your room or be patient they will colonize at those temps and five days is nuthing to worry about
What makes the heating pad bad?
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Re: Cold House. Need HEAT PAD ASAP! [Re: Eclipse3130]
#19383369 - 01/07/14 04:06 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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uneven heat source, they need to have the temp the same all around them not just underneathe
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Re: Cold House. Need HEAT PAD ASAP! [Re: Eclipse3130]
#19383376 - 01/07/14 04:07 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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It's impossible to maintain the proper temperature for cakes sitting on a heating pad. It will only continue to rise and you will have no idea what the heat is inside the jars.
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Re: Cold House. Need HEAT PAD ASAP! [Re: Camtaro420]
#19383382 - 01/07/14 04:08 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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thats y we use tub in tubs, even predictable heat source
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Re: Cold House. Need HEAT PAD ASAP! [Re: cronicr]
#19383405 - 01/07/14 04:11 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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I was seeing signs of growth in 4/5 jars and it was 65 turn your house heat up
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cronicr said:
thats y we use tub in tubs, even predictable heat source
Because you can keep the jars in an enclosed environment that surrounds them and will have a heat source set to disengage whenever it hits the temperature you tweak it to.
Even if you tried your hardest to set up a heating pad, it's just not going to work the way you want it to. But hey some people get lucky.
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natzyshroomer said: I was seeing signs of growth in 4/5 jars and it was 65 turn your house heat up
^ This. Like I said, nothing to worry about. I feel bad for people in canada right now fighting off -0 weather. 68 is nothing to fear and better for keeping down the bacteria.
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Re: Cold House. Need HEAT PAD ASAP! [Re: Camtaro420]
#19383431 - 01/07/14 04:14 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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Camtaro420 said: It's impossible to maintain the proper temperature for cakes sitting on a heating pad. It will only continue to rise and you will have no idea what the heat is inside the jars.
I've been using a pad to colonize mine, don't see any bad results. They are fully colonized in a good amount of time
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Re: Cold House. Need HEAT PAD ASAP! [Re: Eclipse3130]
#19383442 - 01/07/14 04:16 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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Eclipse3130 said:
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Camtaro420 said: It's impossible to maintain the proper temperature for cakes sitting on a heating pad. It will only continue to rise and you will have no idea what the heat is inside the jars.
I've been using a pad to colonize mine, don't see any bad results. They are fully colonized in a good amount of time
write a tek, i'll see you there
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Re: Cold House. Need HEAT PAD ASAP! [Re: Camtaro420]
#19383446 - 01/07/14 04:16 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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Eclipse3130 said:
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Camtaro420 said: It's impossible to maintain the proper temperature for cakes sitting on a heating pad. It will only continue to rise and you will have no idea what the heat is inside the jars.
I've been using a pad to colonize mine, don't see any bad results. They are fully colonized in a good amount of time
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Re: Cold House. Need HEAT PAD ASAP! [Re: Camtaro420]
#19383495 - 01/07/14 04:22 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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I just place my jars in their original box on top of a fridge, I place my sterlite tub lid with holes on top of the jars and place the heating pad on top of that. I don't let it sit directly on the jars, I elevate the lid just about 1 inch.
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Re: Cold House. Need HEAT PAD ASAP! [Re: Eclipse3130]
#19383517 - 01/07/14 04:26 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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Eclipse3130 said: I just place my jars in their original box on top of a fridge, I place my sterlite tub lid with holes on top of the jars and place the heating pas on top of that. I don't let it sit directly on the jars, I elevate the lis just about 1 inch. Works perf
Sounds like a waste of electricity and a nice warm air incubator for contaminates up at the dry verm layer.
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Re: Cold House. Need HEAT PAD ASAP! [Re: Camtaro420]
#19383550 - 01/07/14 04:30 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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A waste of 30 watts, which is basically 2 light bulbs, what 3 bucks a month i'm not too worried about 3 dollars It's keeping them warm, so not completely a waste. And I'm not worried about "warm air contams" which will not break through the verm. Better than it being on the bottom though.
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Re: Cold House. Need HEAT PAD ASAP! [Re: Eclipse3130]
#19383788 - 01/07/14 05:11 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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68 degrees is fine, and 5 days with no showing of growth is perfectly normal.
im against incubation
as long as its not below 40F you should be fine
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Re: Cold House. Need HEAT PAD ASAP! [Re: twistedty]
#19383814 - 01/07/14 05:15 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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twistedty said: 68 degrees is fine, and 5 days with no showing of growth is perfectly normal.
im against incubation
as long as its not below 40F you should be fine

It was -20F out the other day it's like -5 out today. My house is 58-65F the last whole week, Everything has been doing just fine.
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Re: Cold House. Need HEAT PAD ASAP! [Re: bodhisatta]
#19383853 - 01/07/14 05:21 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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68 is within the range I use for colonization. Works great. My heating pad is in my basement underneath a bunch of other useless shit.
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Re: Cold House. Need HEAT PAD ASAP! [Re: Eclipse3130]
#19383903 - 01/07/14 05:29 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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Eclipse3130 said: I just place my jars in their original box on top of a fridge, I place my sterlite tub lid with holes on top of the jars and place the heating pad on top of that. I don't let it sit directly on the jars, I elevate the lid just about 1 inch.
This is how to do it if a heating pad must be used. The pad should always be on top so it doesn't cook the substrate.
However, it's best to get your room up to 75F or so and use open air on a shelf, not a box where the air can get stale. RR
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Re: Cold House. Need HEAT PAD ASAP! [Re: bodhisatta]
#19383918 - 01/07/14 05:32 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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My favorite part of the day:
There is no reason to bother with any heating at all SO long as you can live in the environment your jars are in. As others have said heat pads are worthless. Directly heating a jar is a recipe for drying it out. For every success story, I read about a dozen or so that exclaim "Zomg mai growtzzz stopperzd wtf y?" Because you probally dried out the jar from uneven heating. I have seen it done personally by a friend and was shocked when he asked me the above question. He showed me a jar, and there is no doubt that it dried out. I can honestly say that I HATE THE RUMOR THAT WARMER TEMPS CAUSE CONTAMINATION. I HATE THE RUMOR THAT WARMER TEMPS CAUSE CONTAMINATION. I HATE THE RUMOR THAT WARMER TEMPS CAUSE CONTAMINATION. I HATE THE RUMOR THAT WARMER TEMPS CAUSE CONTAMINATION. I HATE THE RUMOR THAT WARMER TEMPS CAUSE CONTAMINATION. I HATE THE RUMOR THAT WARMER TEMPS CAUSE CONTAMINATION. I HATE THE RUMOR THAT WARMER TEMPS CAUSE CONTAMINATION. I HATE THE RUMOR THAT WARMER TEMPS CAUSE CONTAMINATION. I HATE THE RUMOR THAT WARMER TEMPS CAUSE CONTAMINATION. I HATE THE RUMOR THAT WARMER TEMPS CAUSE CONTAMINATION. I HATE THE RUMOR THAT WARMER TEMPS CAUSE CONTAMINATION. I HATE THE RUMOR THAT WARMER TEMPS CAUSE CONTAMINATION. I HATE THE RUMOR THAT WARMER TEMPS CAUSE CONTAMINATION. I HATE THE RUMOR THAT WARMER TEMPS CAUSE CONTAMINATION. I HATE THE RUMOR THAT WARMER TEMPS CAUSE CONTAMINATION. I HATE THE RUMOR THAT WARMER TEMPS CAUSE CONTAMINATION. I HATE THE RUMOR THAT WARMER TEMPS CAUSE CONTAMINATION. I HATE THE RUMOR THAT WARMER TEMPS CAUSE CONTAMINATION.
Did you know that aside from hating the rumor that warm temps cause contamination, I am generally a nice enough guy (lies). The fact of the matter that if your jar is contaminated, it has nothing at all to do with outside forces. A jar becomes contaminated because a contaminant is introduced either through inoculation, the filter or through the spore solution itself (unless you make it yourself from a totally sterile grow in near lab conditions). I see quite a few pf tek guys reporting this "Non-fact" over and over, and now that winter is here I would rather hear a bunch of people screaming racial and religious slurs than that. HEAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CONTAMINATION. Spore syringes are generally pretty clean, but there is no 100% clean spore solution. PERIOD. I have jars of grain that were inoculated with agar that IF I heated them to 90f+ they would never contaminate. NEVER EVER. Period. It is because I can guarantee that it was a clean culture introduced to a sterile grain. There is nothing that will happen other than a stress reaction and/or death of the mycelium. Period.
Keep it simple, and you will encounter many less issues. The more stuff you have plugged into a wall pointing at or under your jars etc, the greater the risk of failure. Jars will colonize at lower temps than what most users here can even imagine. Granted it is slower, but that is better than blowing it all over a few heaters etc. If your jars are cold, heat the room. The only thing that I would advise is the possible use of at TiT. However, I still feel it totally unnecessary, and a waste of electric. Yes, even if it cost less than a penny, it is still a waste.
Hope that helps. Oh ya, ditch all the heating stuff. Its a waste of money. Even in the best of conditions, it may save you a few days of colonization. It don't matter how you define the costs, it the cons outweigh the benefits.
Don't take my CAPS LOCK anger to heart, it is something that is repeated over and over and is just plain wrong. I am not really mad, just trying to make an impression.
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I sort of agree with you... I'm not quite that zealous though... Tub in tub incubation works. As long as you are using it properly and not fryinging your substrate
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woooahhhhh settle down whippy, just kidding i agree with you 100% this being the strong point
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Whippy said: Even in the best of conditions, it may save you a few days of colonization. It don't matter how you define the costs, it the cons outweigh the benefits.
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Re: Cold House. Need HEAT PAD ASAP! [Re: twistedty]
#19383959 - 01/07/14 05:37 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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i would need quite a few TITs to keep my grows warm
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Re: Cold House. Need HEAT PAD ASAP! [Re: twistedty]
#19383960 - 01/07/14 05:37 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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Re: Cold House. Need HEAT PAD ASAP! [Re: Cogsy]
#19383963 - 01/07/14 05:38 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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Cogsy said: I sort of agree with you... I'm not quite that zealous though...
Not zealous, just trying to impress upon others a bit of logic. Warmth does not mystically create mold, or most places near the equator would be uninhabitable.
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my house is super cold also. no central heat/cold 
tried on top of fridge, but wasnt getting the job done. just got a small space heater for my room. now my room is a cozy 70 degrees and my cakes colonize super fast!
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Yuri.Pono said: http://www.homedepot.com/p/Pelonis-1-500-Watt-Electric-Oil-Filled-Radiant-Portable-Heater-HO-0218H/202295910
works great for my room. no more TiTs required except from the wifey
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Third Eye Vision said: my house is super cold also. no central heat/cold 
tried on top of fridge, but wasnt getting the job done. just got a small space heater for my room. now my room is a cozy 70 degrees and my cakes colonize super fast!
The heater listed above coupled with a small box fan is my central heat for my office area. The rest of the house is nice and cozy cause they have 20th century amenities (i.e. heat)....I still have the warmest room in the house.
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Whippy said: Warmth does not mystically create mold, or most places near the equator would be uninhabitable.
Word. But used incorrectly it is a negative, and unnecessary incubation should be avoided, Just my thoughts
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Re: Cold House. Need HEAT PAD ASAP! [Re: Cogsy]
#19384010 - 01/07/14 05:47 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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Cogsy said: But used incorrectly it is a negative, and unnecessary incubation should be avoided, Just my thoughts
I agree totally. Keeping it simple is the best way to do it. 5 days without signs of growth is totally normal. I have waited up to 3 weeks for grain bags to show anything from MSS. The best way to see fast growth is to switch to agar (I will not recommend liquid culture, though I have had success).
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The heat doesn't cause contams necessarily. Sterilization isn't ever complete in PF jars steamed for 90M or grain jars PCed for 120M at 15PSI you still have some endospore that can germinate. I don't think any one can for sure say BRF has 0 endospores just less and they're smaller and easier to be penetrated by steam. Either way if you leave them out long enough and they don't dry out something will probably eventually grow in some percentage of your jars long after mycelium would have normally got to 100% colonization. We sterilize to operate within a reasonable window. An incubator can shift that window. That's what I know at least, where am I wrong?
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Re: Cold House. Need HEAT PAD ASAP! [Re: bodhisatta]
#19384149 - 01/07/14 06:11 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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Nowhere as far as I can see regarding steam sterilisation, I'm not sure regarding pressure cooking however.. And don't most contaminants outgrow mycelium in all temperatures really? If a contaminant survived the sterilisation process wouldn't it be better that the mycelium colonises faster in the period where any surviving contams would be weakened by the "sterilisation" process? Once again just my thoughts, I'm still very much a noobie
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Re: Cold House. Need HEAT PAD ASAP! [Re: Cogsy]
#19384160 - 01/07/14 06:13 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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after sterilization the contams that would be left would all be endospores? that take a longer time to germinate as well as being in so few numbers that the would easily get overran by mycelium perhaps.
I guess I really would just like to know a definitive answer but I don't think I'll get one
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Re: Cold House. Need HEAT PAD ASAP! [Re: bodhisatta]
#19384177 - 01/07/14 06:18 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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It all seems to be very speculative :0 whatever works best for you probably is best for you
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Re: Cold House. Need HEAT PAD ASAP! [Re: bodhisatta]
#19384199 - 01/07/14 06:22 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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yes there would be bacteria left in your jar after "steriliztion" and many of the bacteia may lie dormant till higher temps are reached as far as i know
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Re: Cold House. Need HEAT PAD ASAP! [Re: cronicr]
#19384219 - 01/07/14 06:26 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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I'm sure there are plenty of tardigrades in the jars
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Re: Cold House. Need HEAT PAD ASAP! [Re: bodhisatta]
#19384243 - 01/07/14 06:30 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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Aren't tardigrades a type of extremeophile that feeds on mosses and lichen.?
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Re: Cold House. Need HEAT PAD ASAP! [Re: Cogsy]
#19384253 - 01/07/14 06:33 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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Let's not forget the fact that jar filters are not 100% effective, especially verm filters which shift when new growers feel a need to look at their jars twice a day. In an enclosed box, when one jar goes bad, the escaping mold spores easily get into the other jars via any imperfections in the filters. This is a big reason why people using incubators in the past had historically higher contamination rates than those who colonize at the same temperature on an open shelf.
Another recurring problem over the years with incubators of all designs is when the made in china thermostat in the fish tank heater sticks in the on position, the tank heats up enough to kill or weaken the mycelium. Thermophilic bacteria if present and some molds are favored by these high temperatures.
Heat doesn't magically cause mold spores to materialize but if they are there it will favor them over mushroom mycelium which doesn't appreciate being over about 80F, referring to the temperature inside the jar.
Further, regardless of how sterile you made the jar and filter, if you injected with spores from a spore print, I guarantee you also injected some mold and bacteria along with it regardless of who made the print and syringe. You want to favor your mushroom mycelium over these contaminants. RR
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Re: Cold House. Need HEAT PAD ASAP! [Re: RogerRabbit]
#19384313 - 01/07/14 06:41 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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And as I've said misuse of incubation is criminal now I struggle to keep my grow room in the 65-70 range and I've found that keeping a TiT around 80f (which in fairness you say is normal room temperature) increases colonisation times massively for me
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Re: Cold House. Need HEAT PAD ASAP! [Re: Cogsy]
#19384393 - 01/07/14 06:56 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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Cogsy said: Aren't tardigrades a type of extremeophile that feeds on mosses and lichen.?
yea I was just being funny since they survive anything
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Re: Cold House. Need HEAT PAD ASAP! [Re: RogerRabbit]
#19384425 - 01/07/14 07:01 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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Cogsy said: And as I've said misuse of incubation is criminal now I struggle to keep my grow room in the 65-70 range and I've found that keeping a TiT around 80f (which in fairness you say is normal room temperature) increases colonisation times massively for me 
as RR said above how do you know your TIT is at 80F do you have a seperate thermometer to monitor your water also? when i made my TIT i used an aquarium heater and a thermostat and had a probe from a thermometer ran into the TIT just to make sure everything was on the same page. im not leaving a fish tank heater on while im not at the house either especially when its not in a fish tank. my 
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RogerRabbit said: Let's not forget the fact that jar filters are not 100% effective, especially verm filters which shift when new growers feel a need to look at their jars twice a day. In an enclosed box, when one jar goes bad, the escaping mold spores easily get into the other jars via any imperfections in the filters. This is a big reason why people using incubators in the past had historically higher contamination rates than those who colonize at the same temperature on an open shelf.
Another recurring problem over the years with incubators of all designs is when the made in china thermostat in the fish tank heater sticks in the on position, the tank heats up enough to kill or weaken the mycelium. Thermophilic bacteria if present and some molds are favored by these high temperatures.
RR
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Re: Cold House. Need HEAT PAD ASAP! [Re: RanOutOfWeed]
#19384435 - 01/07/14 07:03 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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RanOutOfWeed said: I'm doing PF tek. 10 jars in a tote
5 days no growth, house is around 68 degrees. winter 
Can anyone link me a good heat pad so i can get these jars what they deserve?
Thanks
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RanOutOfWeed said: I'm doing PF tek. 10 jars in a tote
5 days no growth, house is around 68 degrees. winter 
Can anyone link me a good heat pad so i can get these jars what they deserve?
Thanks
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Re: Cold House. Need HEAT PAD ASAP! [Re: Tooktoomuch]
#19384440 - 01/07/14 07:04 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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Tooktoomuch said:
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RanOutOfWeed said: I'm doing PF tek. 10 jars in a tote
5 days no growth, house is around 68 degrees. winter 
Can anyone link me a good heat pad so i can get these jars what they deserve?
Thanks
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RanOutOfWeed said: I'm doing PF tek. 10 jars in a tote
5 days no growth, house is around 68 degrees. winter 
Can anyone link me a good heat pad so i can get these jars what they deserve?
Thanks
Hello

so after all the wonderful advice you got youre still going to do it?
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Re: Cold House. Need HEAT PAD ASAP! [Re: Tooktoomuch]
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Tooktoomuch said:
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RanOutOfWeed said: I'm doing PF tek. 10 jars in a tote
5 days no growth, house is around 68 degrees. winter 
Can anyone link me a good heat pad so i can get these jars what they deserve?
Thanks
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RanOutOfWeed said: I'm doing PF tek. 10 jars in a tote
5 days no growth, house is around 68 degrees. winter 
Can anyone link me a good heat pad so i can get these jars what they deserve?
Thanks
Hello
nice first post lol
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Re: Cold House. Need HEAT PAD ASAP! [Re: Tooktoomuch]
#19384448 - 01/07/14 07:05 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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no that was a new kid and it's his first post too.
heating pads are not what your jars need. You would be better off putting heating pads on top of your jars then under your jars and you would be really better off not using a heating pad at all.
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Re: Cold House. Need HEAT PAD ASAP! [Re: twistedty]
#19384453 - 01/07/14 07:06 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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Yes, I have a desperate thermometer in my TIT it's at about76-80 constant
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Re: Cold House. Need HEAT PAD ASAP! [Re: bodhisatta]
#19384455 - 01/07/14 07:06 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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bodhisatta said: no that was a new kid and it's his first post too.
heating pads are not what your jars need. You would be better off putting heating pads on top of your jars then under your jars and you would be really better off not using a heating pad at all.

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Re: Cold House. Need HEAT PAD ASAP! [Re: Cogsy]
#19384458 - 01/07/14 07:07 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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Re: Cold House. Need HEAT PAD ASAP! [Re: twistedty]
#19384466 - 01/07/14 07:09 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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Some people have to learn for themselves rather than saving themselves the hassle at the expense others have already paid.
he said this in another post and its perfect for this thread also
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Re: Cold House. Need HEAT PAD ASAP! [Re: bodhisatta]
#19384479 - 01/07/14 07:12 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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My name is new but I'm not a newb to Myc.Well maybe a little I've been doing it for a bout two years. I started hunting then I just said fuk it n made my own. I got sme great pics of my latest babies their so perrdy. Cambodia. N my new... Beleive it or not auto FC!
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Re: Cold House. Need HEAT PAD ASAP! [Re: Tooktoomuch]
#19384484 - 01/07/14 07:13 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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start a thread and post some pics and welcome to shroomery
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Re: Cold House. Need HEAT PAD ASAP! [Re: cronicr]
#19384493 - 01/07/14 07:15 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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Tooktoomuch said: My name is new but I'm not a newb to Myc.Well maybe a little I've been doing it for a bout two years. I started hunting then I just said fuk it n made my own. I got sme great pics of my latest babies their so perrdy. Cambodia. N my new... Beleive it or not auto FC!



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Re: Cold House. Need HEAT PAD ASAP! [Re: Cogsy]
#19384499 - 01/07/14 07:16 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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You need to use a sub heater in water with lava rocks. Put a good blanket around tub bottom. This will also eliminate perlite n provide great rh.
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Re: Cold House. Need HEAT PAD ASAP! [Re: Tooktoomuch]
#19384502 - 01/07/14 07:17 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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Tooktoomuch said: You need to use a sub heater in water with lava rocks. Put a good blanket around tub bottom. This will also eliminate perlite n provide great rh.
nope.
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Re: Cold House. Need HEAT PAD ASAP! [Re: Tooktoomuch]
#19384506 - 01/07/14 07:17 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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Tooktoomuch said: You need to use a sub heater in water with lava rocks. Put a good blanket around tub bottom. This will also eliminate perlite n provide great rh.
Cool, make a thread we can talk about it there. How does it get fresh air exchange or keep the PPM of CO2 under 600-1000.
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Re: Cold House. Need HEAT PAD ASAP! [Re: Tooktoomuch]
#19384508 - 01/07/14 07:17 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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Cronies how do I do that. Or should I just start here so people will see it
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Re: Cold House. Need HEAT PAD ASAP! [Re: bodhisatta]
#19384517 - 01/07/14 07:19 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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There are several ways to get fae. I myself have placed two bubble wands in the lava rocks
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Re: Cold House. Need HEAT PAD ASAP! [Re: Tooktoomuch]
#19384521 - 01/07/14 07:20 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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Bubble wands don't make nearly enough FAE to keep the CO2 levels correct. Large 100galon tank aquarium pumps can barely do 10% of the job a properly built SGFC does in that department.
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thelivingfreekshow said: not to be a dick or anything, but building a proper shotgun fc to RR's specs would eliminate your worries.
Not to be a dick or anything...but thats what i got bud. Even with the SGFC built to his specs, it still needs to be fanned multiple times a day for sufficient FAE. Thats my dilema. Im not trying to find out how to build a proper FC.
A quick search will reveal that when I designed the shotgun terrarium I was working 12 hour shifts, an hour drive from home. This resulted in being gone 14 hours per day, with no way to perform fanning or misting.
A double outlet 100 gallon aquarium pump in a shotgun terrarium will result in about ten percent of the air exchange you would get naturally, plus destroy the flow of air up through the perlite, causing all sorts of problems.
Hollow stems and poor potency are not FAE or humidity related, so instead of fixing what isn't broken, lower the temp to prevent hollow stems and isolate proper genetics to get the potency you desire. You will never get consistent potency when growing from spores. Every grow is like a roll of the dice. RR
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Re: Cold House. Need HEAT PAD ASAP! [Re: Tooktoomuch]
#19384522 - 01/07/14 07:21 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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Re: Cold House. Need HEAT PAD ASAP! [Re: cronicr]
#19384540 - 01/07/14 07:23 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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cronicr said: CLICK ME AND FILL ME IN!

I like your new signature too by the way edit: now it's gone, I liked it, I guess.
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Re: Cold House. Need HEAT PAD ASAP! [Re: bodhisatta]
#19384546 - 01/07/14 07:24 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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i just deleted it lol! got another one lined up tonight!
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Re: Cold House. Need HEAT PAD ASAP! [Re: bodhisatta]
#19384550 - 01/07/14 07:24 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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U can still mist n fan but mine I have left it alone for two days and everything was fine. They were thicker than when I do mess with it. You can most when u check it n fan after but the dual pump provides fae n since its heated h2 o u got a humid environment with the. Blankets it's warm
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Re: Cold House. Need HEAT PAD ASAP! [Re: Tooktoomuch]
#19384558 - 01/07/14 07:26 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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FIXED IT BOD YOU SHOULD LIKE THIS ONE 2
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Re: Cold House. Need HEAT PAD ASAP! [Re: Tooktoomuch]
#19384561 - 01/07/14 07:27 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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U got to buy a dual pump its provides plenty n ur tub is 100 gallons way to big if u got a smaller one I'd be like my set up it would wrk I could make a 100 gallon wrk with more pumps n heaters but I'd just make another one like I got that way u don't contam all u got if u have multi FC,
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Re: Cold House. Need HEAT PAD ASAP! [Re: cronicr]
#19384573 - 01/07/14 07:28 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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Tooktoomuch said: U can still mist n fan but mine I have left it alone for two days and everything was fine. They were thicker than when I do mess with it. You can most when u check it n fan after but the dual pump provides fae n since its heated h2 o u got a humid environment with the. Blankets it's warm

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haha You can leave it for now
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Re: Cold House. Need HEAT PAD ASAP! [Re: twistedty]
#19384574 - 01/07/14 07:29 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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I know I'm a total noob and gonna get flamed for this method, which is why I don't recommend it and if you try it your house will likely explode.... but this set up worked great for my jars.

My house stays around 65F and I know they will colonize, but I was impatient and wanted to warm them up, I used a flood light bulb hanging over the tote they are in and used a digital thermometer to dial it in until I got it to a pretty constant 77F. It was meant to be a temporary set up but it seemed to be doing pretty good and not drying the jars out or anything so I haven't set anything else up yet. I have jars not under it to compare to and these today just started the 1 week consolidation count down while the ones left at 65F are around 60-70% colonized.
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Re: Cold House. Need HEAT PAD ASAP! [Re: Tooktoomuch]
#19384578 - 01/07/14 07:29 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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Tooktoomuch said: U got to buy a dual pump its provides plenty n ur tub is 100 gallons way to big if u got a smaller one I'd be like my set up it would wrk I could make a 100 gallon wrk with more pumps n heaters but I'd just make another one like I got that way u don't contam all u got if u have multi FC,
I'm saying a 100G pump in a regular sized tub doesn't even provide enough FAE.
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Re: Cold House. Need HEAT PAD ASAP! [Re: Tooktoomuch]
#19384581 - 01/07/14 07:30 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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Tooktoomuch said: U got to buy a dual pump its provides plenty n ur tub is 100 gallons way to big if u got a smaller one I'd be like my set up it would wrk I could make a 100 gallon wrk with more pumps n heaters but I'd just make another one like I got that way u don't contam all u got if u have multi FC,
or you can buy a tote for 10 bux and drill holes on all 6 sides and it operates 24/7 in silence with no electricity.
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Re: Cold House. Need HEAT PAD ASAP! [Re: funton]
#19384583 - 01/07/14 07:30 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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cronicr said: start a thread and post some pics and welcome to shroomery;)
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cronicr said: CLICK ME AND FILL ME IN!
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Re: Cold House. Need HEAT PAD ASAP! [Re: cronicr]
#19384598 - 01/07/14 07:33 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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Full moon tonight?
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Re: Cold House. Need HEAT PAD ASAP! [Re: bodhisatta]
#19384605 - 01/07/14 07:35 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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It's 59F in my house right now, I'm using my gas oven as a space heater TEK. I don't even have a incubator.
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Re: Cold House. Need HEAT PAD ASAP! [Re: bodhisatta]
#19384611 - 01/07/14 07:36 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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bodhisatta said: Full moon tonight?
right? this was a good thread
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Re: Cold House. Need HEAT PAD ASAP! [Re: bodhisatta]
#19384617 - 01/07/14 07:36 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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my house is always 75-79...fucking love it sometimes i need to try drop the fucking temps lol
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Re: Cold House. Need HEAT PAD ASAP! [Re: cronicr]
#19384647 - 01/07/14 07:40 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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My last place I would just pay to keep at 75F all winter, because fuck it I could afford it no problem, Oh no my energy bill is 50 extra dollars, that's like four days of weed lol. Now I live in this shithole place with no thermistat the heat is included and it's these radiant heat baseboards that can't cope with the fact that it's been -20F to -5F out the last few days.
The humidity dropped in my house because the windows got so cold all the moisture condensed on them and now there's ice sheets on my windows.
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Re: Cold House. Need HEAT PAD ASAP! [Re: bodhisatta]
#19384784 - 01/07/14 08:07 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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I have a dual pump feeding two bubble wands my cakes sit on top of a grate screen n they hav a sg terr over them the co2 is pushed out thru the holes in the sg tub get wha I'm sayn it does provide fae plenty n rh
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Re: Cold House. Need HEAT PAD ASAP! [Re: Tooktoomuch]
#19384807 - 01/07/14 08:11 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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co2 doesn't get pushed out it just mixes with the air in your chamber, the two pumps don't purge enough of this air mixed with co2(hence air with a higher concentration then 600ppm co2) out the rate at which the two wands will push air out will not over come a fully loaded fruiting chamber and all the mycelium in it and the co2 concentration will build up relative to the rest of the molecules in air. so yes you're getting some air movement but it's not air exchange at all. Find a way around that, well we did and it's passive rather than active. Passive solutions are often more brilliant then their counterparts. Mercedes F1 team made duct works that channeled air from the nose of the car through straws in the body and blew that forced air over the wings to generate additional down-force, the venturi and Bernoulli's principle operated without electronics were able to give additional downforce in cornering to the other side of the car to give it a gradient laterally of downforce to help the car corner better. Or you could tack on a few kilos more of wings and suspension parts and computers, SGFC works in the same passive way with less bullshit and better effect/reliability. Beat it for a reasonable cost, I'm still waiting for pictures and evidence.
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Re: Cold House. Need HEAT PAD ASAP! [Re: Tooktoomuch]
#19384810 - 01/07/14 08:12 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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I had the same prob as u sgfc worked in summer but dryer out substrate in winter
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Re: Cold House. Need HEAT PAD ASAP! [Re: Tooktoomuch]
#19384834 - 01/07/14 08:16 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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i told you there is no pics coming...................
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Re: Cold House. Need HEAT PAD ASAP! [Re: Tooktoomuch]
#19384846 - 01/07/14 08:19 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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Picture of awesomeness
Only need to watch the first minute.
if you like to read
Don't doubt the effectiveness of simple passive systems. they often outperform the over engineered, over thought, bulky, item/systems heavy counterparts. It's just poor craftsmanship usually the result of rushed people who are more into life for the ME than the LIFE.
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Fruiting Chamber A SGFC has 1/4" holes spaces 2 inches apart in a grid patten on all six sides. 4-6 inches of moist perlite. No attachments made to it with any extra things like humidifiers. Optimally the SGFC should be in the middle of a room. No fans should be run in the room with the SGFC, but a cracked window is OK. A humidifier in your house can help to raise the ambient RH but don't put it near your SGFC put it in the other corner of the room if you do decide to run a humidifier at all. The SGFC IMO should have at least 6-12 inches of room from any wall on all 6 sides. This includes finding some sort of raisers to elevate the SGFC off of the surface it's on.
Misting and Fanning. This is a source of much grief and 100's of posts a week here. Misting and fanning is not at all complicated as it needs to be. In general you'll mist your cakes until they glisten(yes they can even with the verm on them) and then fan right after the mist. You can mist your cakes directly and you should. When you notice the cake is no longer glistening you can mist it again and then fan. This occurs on average of 3-5 times a day. Don't worry about sleeping or being gone 12 hours. Just do it when you're around and don't forget about it is all. Fanning is not FAE it's only purpose is to relive the high RH air so that the cakes can get a kickstart on evaporation.
FAE This is a phenomenon (Fresh air exchange) in a properly built SGFC this is constantly happening. The perlite is naturally cooler than the surrounding air this moves molecules closer to eachother as the lose kinetic energy. This creates low pressure which pulls air up through the bottom holes. As the air moves through the perlite it picks up humidity and keeps the chamber at or above 90%RH. This occurs naturally without the fanning and is why we like to have no fans in the room and is also why fanning after misting is not a replacement for FAE.
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Notahacker420 said: Fanning is not a replacement for constant FAE.
You would need to fan several times per hour.

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