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You know people are saying we don't need a minimum wage because it hurts freedom in the market
    #19382099 - 01/07/14 12:01 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

And they are right. We don't need people telling other people who can pay what. After all, this is democracy, and freedom.

I was also thinking, based on that philosophy, I don't really think we need police either. I mean after all democracy is about freedom. Think about all the freedom that laws displace, you know police and the federal government controlling the military upset a natural balance. In a free world, authority would be decided by the majority of people, the crowd. A large crowd of 100 or more would decide how to tell who is stealing, what should be done to them, what life thieves and violent people should have etc. Who are the police to interrupt true freedom? The police are like the minimum wage, it creates a false idea that people can't function or behave on their own without court and law etc.

Should we have bail outs and minimum wage and jail and police? HELL NO :facepalm: I can't believe I didn't understand until now

rules and laws hurt freedom :smirk: I mean the sooner we get rid of minimum wage the sooner people start seeing what freedom actually is and we can get rid of the police as well. If only I took more economic classes, I'd get all this supply and demand stuff already. Just like police, there isn't enough "demand" for them :rolleyes: just constant supply and the court system is hurting the free market


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Re: You know people are saying we don't need a minimum wage because it hurts freedom in the market [Re: imachavel] * 3
    #19382111 - 01/07/14 12:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

lol yea!  then corporations can pay people $2 an hour or say fuck you we're outsourcing to china, then call em a bitch.


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Re: You know people are saying we don't need a minimum wage because it hurts freedom in the market [Re: Salomon] * 3
    #19382135 - 01/07/14 12:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah, because it's not fair that only the Chinese get sweatshop slave jobs making Iphones.  While we're at it, let's remove the working minimum age so we can put little children to work in jobs where their little fingers have an advantage.  I can't wait until we're all earning a dollar a week working 14 hours a day in a giant, windowless Walmart factory we can't afford to leave having meals denied us when we don't make our quotas.  Freedom sounds fucking AWESOME!
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Re: You know people are saying we don't need a minimum wage because it hurts freedom in the market [Re: Salomon]
    #19382139 - 01/07/14 12:10 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Laws are meant to protect peoples freedoms. Not sure where your coming from with this to be honest. Take a look at the early 20th century if you wanna see how extremely loose or non-existent business and economic regulations worked out.


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Re: You know people are saying we don't need a minimum wage because it hurts freedom in the market [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #19382148 - 01/07/14 12:12 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

A large crowd would decide the fate of criminals?

Rarely does 'Mob Justice' actually have any real justice.


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Re: You know people are saying we don't need a minimum wage because it hurts freedom in the market [Re: Herbologist]
    #19382190 - 01/07/14 12:21 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah I think I'm going to vote for the Keep the Police, fuck the Mad Max road warrior scenario...

Also keeping the minimum wage thing.... Who the shit's going to ring up my slurpee at the 7/11 store at 3 am? Not me that's for fucking sure :sip:


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Re: You know people are saying we don't need a minimum wage because it hurts freedom in the market [Re: The5thElement]
    #19382209 - 01/07/14 12:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

If there was no minimum wage, My boss would probably try to change what I make to only 1 Dollar an hour. That would be fucked up. A lot of the cheap labor force would all quit over night. And then the unemployment rate would skyrocket to 450% of all americans in the usa. I would instantly quit my job if the minnimum wage was abolished and my wages were changed to only 1 dollar an hour. And I would just live with my parents.

People are not morons. They are not going to work for 1 dollar an hour. The minimum wage needs to not be getten rid of.


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Re: You know people are saying we don't need a minimum wage because it hurts freedom in the market [Re: ShiVersblood]
    #19382245 - 01/07/14 12:33 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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ShiVersblood said:
If there was no minimum wage, My boss would probably try to change what I make to only 1 Dollar an hour. That would be fucked up. A lot of the cheap labor force would all quit over night. And then the unemployment rate would skyrocket to 450% of all americans in the usa. I would instantly quit my job if the minnimum wage was abolished and my wages were changed to only 1 dollar an hour. And I would just live with my parents.

People are not morons. They are not going to work for 1 dollar an hour. The minimum wage needs to not be getten rid of.




Um, people need to eat dude.  You clearly have not read any history books or are just so entitled and bourgeois that you can't comprehend that a lot of people aren't in a situation where they can just quit their job and go crying to mommy and daddy. 
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Re: You know people are saying we don't need a minimum wage because it hurts freedom in the market [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
    #19382255 - 01/07/14 12:36 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

The invisible hand will fix EVERYTHING.


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Re: You know people are saying we don't need a minimum wage because it hurts freedom in the market [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
    #19382263 - 01/07/14 12:38 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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ShiVersblood said:
If there was no minimum wage, My boss would probably try to change what I make to only 1 Dollar an hour. That would be fucked up. A lot of the cheap labor force would all quit over night. And then the unemployment rate would skyrocket to 450% of all americans in the usa. I would instantly quit my job if the minnimum wage was abolished and my wages were changed to only 1 dollar an hour. And I would just live with my parents.

People are not morons. They are not going to work for 1 dollar an hour. The minimum wage needs to not be getten rid of.




Um, people need to eat dude.  You clearly have not read any history books or are just so entitled and bourgeois that you can't comprehend that a lot of people aren't in a situation where they can just quit their job and go crying to mommy and daddy. 
:notcoolman:




Well you would be losing money to go to work if you only made 1 dollar an hour because of the price of gas to get there.


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Re: You know people are saying we don't need a minimum wage because it hurts freedom in the market [Re: ShiVersblood] * 1
    #19382307 - 01/07/14 12:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Free market principles do not apply to labor. One of the requirements of a free market is that participants are free to enter and leave the market without restriction and that the price is only consideration. If your only concern in employment was your wage, and you could take it or leave it, then labor would be subject to normal supply/demand forces. However, people need to work and wage often takes a backseat to other considerations. The mere fact that healthcare is so tied to employment completely skews the labor market. Instead of being free to leave the labor pool or negotiate higher wages, people are often chained to their current job due to health concerns.


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Re: You know people are saying we don't need a minimum wage because it hurts freedom in the market [Re: ShiVersblood]
    #19382643 - 01/07/14 02:05 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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ShiVersblood said:
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P.Zappatecorum said:
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ShiVersblood said:
If there was no minimum wage, My boss would probably try to change what I make to only 1 Dollar an hour. That would be fucked up. A lot of the cheap labor force would all quit over night. And then the unemployment rate would skyrocket to 450% of all americans in the usa. I would instantly quit my job if the minnimum wage was abolished and my wages were changed to only 1 dollar an hour. And I would just live with my parents.

People are not morons. They are not going to work for 1 dollar an hour. The minimum wage needs to not be getten rid of.




Um, people need to eat dude.  You clearly have not read any history books or are just so entitled and bourgeois that you can't comprehend that a lot of people aren't in a situation where they can just quit their job and go crying to mommy and daddy. 
:notcoolman:




Well you would be losing money to go to work if you only made 1 dollar an hour because of the price of gas to get there.




That's why they will make dorms for you to live in, because you're going to be too broke to afford a house away from work or a car to drive there anyway.  You do realize that large segments of the world's populations live on a few dollars a week and work in near slavery conditions don't you?

http://cubiclebot.com/pictures/a-look-inside-foxconns-employee-dormitories/

And in case you think that's just in other countries, the same shit used to go down in the US as well, if you haven't heard of the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory, you need to educate yourself on the history of Labor.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangle_Shirtwaist_Factory_fire


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Re: You know people are saying we don't need a minimum wage because it hurts freedom in the market [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
    #19382649 - 01/07/14 02:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Such a life would be just like prison! Land of the free prison style.


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Re: You know people are saying we don't need a minimum wage because it hurts freedom in the market [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
    #19382665 - 01/07/14 02:10 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Yeah, because it's not fair that only the Chinese get sweatshop slave jobs making Iphones.  While we're at it, let's remove the working minimum age so we can put little children to work in jobs where their little fingers have an advantage.  I can't wait until we're all earning a dollar a week working 14 hours a day in a giant, windowless Walmart factory we can't afford to leave having meals denied us when we don't make our quotas.  Freedom sounds fucking AWESOME!
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Re: You know people are saying we don't need a minimum wage because it hurts freedom in the market [Re: imachavel]
    #19382743 - 01/07/14 02:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

If that's freedom, lock me up and throw away the key


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Re: You know people are saying we don't need a minimum wage because it hurts freedom in the market [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
    #19382760 - 01/07/14 02:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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ShiVersblood said:
http://cubiclebot.com/pictures/a-look-inside-foxconns-employee-dormitories/

And in case you think that's just in other countries, the same shit used to go down in the US as well, if you haven't heard of the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory, you need to educate yourself on the history of Labor.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangle_Shirtwaist_Factory_fire




That's what China does. They make dorms for you to live there and give you really cheap shit food (rice and soup everyday) for you to eat. And the dorms are gated in with heavily-armed security guards like prison, to prevent people from escaping.


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Re: You know people are saying we don't need a minimum wage because it hurts freedom in the market [Re: Crystal G]
    #19383325 - 01/07/14 04:00 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

freedom in the market hurts the little man because he dont get his money


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Re: You know people are saying we don't need a minimum wage because it hurts freedom in the market [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #19383417 - 01/07/14 04:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Laws are meant to protect peoples freedoms.



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Re: You know people are saying we don't need a minimum wage because it hurts freedom in the market [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
    #19383478 - 01/07/14 04:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Yeah, because it's not fair that only the Chinese get sweatshop slave jobs making Iphones.  While we're at it, let's remove the working minimum age so we can put little children to work in jobs where their little fingers have an advantage.  I can't wait until we're all earning a dollar a week working 14 hours a day in a giant, windowless Walmart factory we can't afford to leave having meals denied us when we don't make our quotas.  Freedom sounds fucking AWESOME!
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but dude, you are arguing the free market. :facepalm: why according to everyone else, you and me are uneducated idiots because we didn't take economic classes. I mean, in the free market, we would be WILLING to work for $1 a week in a giant, windowless Walmart factory. I mean, for us to suggest a higher minimum wage, is like criminal or whatever. If people are WILLING to be slaves for $1 a week in a windowless Walmart factory then Jesus by all means who are we to argue this.

After all, people who understand "supply and demand curves" because I guess they took economic classes in college or whatever and know as much about economics as Bill Gates I guess have told me that since I don't understand economics, I wouldn't really know what the world would be like without a minimum wage



dude we are kind of missing out because of our ignorance or whatever not accepting or understanding the true way of things in economics that when people get paid whatever they will take for a biscuit then like society is perfect :kingtard:


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Re: You know people are saying we don't need a minimum wage because it hurts freedom in the market [Re: ShiVersblood]
    #19383504 - 01/07/14 04:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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If there was no minimum wage, My boss would probably try to change what I make to only 1 Dollar an hour.




are you sure? :flowstone: but that is not how the free market is supposed to work. Boy gee I sure wish I was smart and took a class that taught me high corporate "demand curves" so I could know that it's not true that your boss would pay you $1 an hour. According to like people and stuff, without a MINIMUM wage you could NEGOTIATE whatever you wanted :trollmove:


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