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Why Machine Elves? DMT Discussion
    #19380394 - 01/07/14 12:43 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

so, most of us, who have read about DMT or have have listened to terrence mckenna speak, know that encountering "the machine elves" is relatively common under the influence of this compound.

i have experienced them once, immediately as i was blasting off but had not yet arrived. it was as if they were showing me the way while laughing hysterically at me.

why does this type of encounter seem to be the most consistent among all other contacts with various forms of entities...why "machine elves"?

a similar question that could permit going off on a tangent, and by all means do if you feel compelled, is why is it so common for people to see eyeballs or eyes during an LSD or mushroom trip?  i've seen the eyes MANY times, and so have family/friends of mine, and i've seen them depicted in alex grey's art. why eyes?


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Re: Why Machine Elves? DMT Discussion [Re: crispy86]
    #19380416 - 01/07/14 12:52 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Well I'm reading the Spirit Molecule finally after my first intense DMT experience...  So far I have not heard anyone describe any "machine elves".  I think the vast majority of people who see them, are people who have listened to Terence McKenna's descriptions.

I love listening to a lot of his talks, but I almost wish I hadn't for fear that his description might subconsciously alter my experience, as I seem to notice happen with others.  Seeing intelligent beings after hearing about them is one thing.  Feeling that you've seen "machine elves" is another. 

Language plays a strong role in how we perceive our experiences.  If you've listened to Terence I'm sure you've heard your fair share of this type of philosophy.  I think that just by identifying them as "machine elves" you strip them of a large portion of their intricacies and what makes them unique to you.  Alien-type entities or intelligent beings are common in hyperspace.  "Elf machines" were Terence's trip...  What did you ACTUALLY see?


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Re: Why Machine Elves? DMT Discussion [Re: Shpongle1]
    #19380474 - 01/07/14 01:13 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

i read the spirit molecule about 10 years ago, so i can't recall much of it off hand.

terence indeed was a great speaker, and a brilliant man. i respectfully disagree with you about implanted ideas and psychedelic trips. do not get me wrong, i feel that nearly everything permeates the subconscious and is filtered somehow into the psychedelic experience, however, i do not think that encountering (not seeing) specific (in this case, machine elf) beings could be the result of an idea/thought implanted by an external source. it all seems to HAVE to come from within, or from the "raw data sphere" as dennis mckenna likes to refer to the DMT experience


Edited by crispy86 (01/07/14 01:13 AM)


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Re: Why Machine Elves? DMT Discussion [Re: Shpongle1]
    #19380522 - 01/07/14 01:26 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Shpongle1 said:  "Elf machines" were Terence's trip...  What did you ACTUALLY see?




i very briefly saw two "mischievous elves". that's the best way i could describe them.

as soon as i put down the pipe, i was blinded with vision. my brother's kitchen turned into a spaceship with the cabinets in the kitchen normally wooden now metallic and neon-colored. then i saw metallic elevator doors open up, and a pair of "mischievous elves" flew at my field of vision with great speed while laughing hysterically at me.

it was like they were saying, "you asked for it...so here we go!!!"

then i entered other realms...i saw something which alex grey has drawn. it was his drawing: "Net of Being". i didn't just see it...i was IN it. it was an environment, a realm of pure bliss. felt like a place where you exist in between lives. it felt like home, and i couldn't help but have the biggest smile on my face, which lasted well after i had landed.

so, in light of what you just reminded me of, we bring up another related point! and i can hear you saying already, "but you saw alex grey's drawing, and it was sitting inside your subconscious as an expectation during the DMT experience and that's how the vision unfolded..."

yes, it's true...i did see his drawing first. however, i still firmly believe that we are all tapping into the same source. the RAW DATA SPHERE. it's raw existence. we are all using the same substances to reach the same realms. these beings and these places exist on other realms, and i believe that visions are shared because we are all meta-physically meeting there...


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Re: Why Machine Elves? DMT Discussion [Re: crispy86]
    #19381149 - 01/07/14 06:57 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

lol but no way to prove it cuz u were high...


nothing like that happens sober..

its all in ur head


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Re: Why Machine Elves? DMT Discussion [Re: Deathcore]
    #19381153 - 01/07/14 06:59 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Read the book Caverns, Cauldrons, and Concealed Creatures before you trip balls next time and you'll really see some shit.


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Re: Why Machine Elves? DMT Discussion [Re: happygolucky]
    #19381180 - 01/07/14 07:22 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I would call myself semi-experienced with DMT and the only time I ever got any machine elves was on salvia. DMT produces a hyper-object for me. that's it.


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Why Machine Elves? DMT Discussion [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #19381191 - 01/07/14 07:28 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

you solved the cube, we came, now you must come with us , taste our pleasures

Ive seen entities on salvia, looked/felt like family , in mid air, they yelled something to me but couldnt understand them so I yelled "what??" back at them repeatedly
and on LSD too in mid air - alien/human looking, often eyes on lsd/mushrooms too

did you get any messages while seeing the eyes?


Edited by lessismore (01/07/14 07:35 AM)


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Re: Why Machine Elves? DMT Discussion [Re: lessismore]
    #19381195 - 01/07/14 07:30 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I hope your words are true


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Why Machine Elves? DMT Discussion [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #19381202 - 01/07/14 07:34 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Has anyone here seen aliens on DMT? In the book DMT: The Spirit Molecule it talks about how a number of test subjects experienced alien abduction.


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Re: Why Machine Elves? DMT Discussion [Re: crispy86]
    #19381214 - 01/07/14 07:41 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

had this kinda thing only once when doing it with some shaman that was not connected good- probably fake shaman-, on a very high dose of ayahuasca. Trip was not good and the elves are not nice or good entities. You get them when doing it wrong and they will fuck you up! BE CAREFUL! :fasted:

Other than that I have not met anything similar. I only get to distant planets and heaven and shit:psychsplit: So get fucking real mofos.

YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG! :dancingbear:


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Re: Why Machine Elves? DMT Discussion [Re: rikuni]
    #19381236 - 01/07/14 07:54 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Last time I blasted a couple weeks ago, I had to take a piss really bad but my friends were already ready and the bowls were loaded so i was like "fuck it i can hold it for 15 minutes"

I spent the next 15 minutes in a room made of red and silver hexagons, where I vaguely made out a toilet which I kept going into, through the drains, then back out the air vent into the bathroom and into the toilet again.

Point being if you have to go to the bathroom before you blast, you're gonna blast to the bathroom. A trippy cosmic bathroom representing the endless void that is your bladder.

Whatever you're thinking about, is where you will blast to. IME


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Re: Why Machine Elves? DMT Discussion [Re: Aopocetx]
    #19381242 - 01/07/14 07:59 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Aopocetx said:
Has anyone here seen aliens on DMT? In the book DMT: The Spirit Molecule it talks about how a number of test subjects experienced alien abduction.





No aliens. just a UFO.

bt when I IVd 4-aco I felt like aliens in a helicopter landed on my roof and knocked me the fuck out.


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Why Machine Elves? DMT Discussion [Re: slh980]
    #19381260 - 01/07/14 08:07 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

slh980 said:
Last time I blasted a couple weeks ago, I had to take a piss really bad but my friends were already ready and the bowls were loaded so i was like "fuck it i can hold it for 15 minutes"

I spent the next 15 minutes in a room made of red and silver hexagons, where I vaguely made out a toilet which I kept going into, through the drains, then back out the air vent into the bathroom and into the toilet again.

Point being if you have to go to the bathroom before you blast, you're gonna blast to the bathroom. A trippy cosmic bathroom representing the endless void that is your bladder.

Whatever you're thinking about, is where you will blast to. IME




Well next time I'll try thinking of pussy.


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Re: Why Machine Elves? DMT Discussion [Re: happygolucky]
    #19381275 - 01/07/14 08:13 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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happygolucky said:
Quote:

slh980 said:
Last time I blasted a couple weeks ago, I had to take a piss really bad but my friends were already ready and the bowls were loaded so i was like "fuck it i can hold it for 15 minutes"

I spent the next 15 minutes in a room made of red and silver hexagons, where I vaguely made out a toilet which I kept going into, through the drains, then back out the air vent into the bathroom and into the toilet again.

Point being if you have to go to the bathroom before you blast, you're gonna blast to the bathroom. A trippy cosmic bathroom representing the endless void that is your bladder.

Whatever you're thinking about, is where you will blast to. IME




Well next time I'll try thinking of pussy.



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Re: Why Machine Elves? DMT Discussion [Re: happygolucky]
    #19381613 - 01/07/14 10:04 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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happygolucky said:
Quote:

slh980 said:
Last time I blasted a couple weeks ago, I had to take a piss really bad but my friends were already ready and the bowls were loaded so i was like "fuck it i can hold it for 15 minutes"

I spent the next 15 minutes in a room made of red and silver hexagons, where I vaguely made out a toilet which I kept going into, through the drains, then back out the air vent into the bathroom and into the toilet again.

Point being if you have to go to the bathroom before you blast, you're gonna blast to the bathroom. A trippy cosmic bathroom representing the endless void that is your bladder.

Whatever you're thinking about, is where you will blast to. IME




Well next time I'll try thinking of pussy.




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Re: Why Machine Elves? DMT Discussion [Re: ShroomyBudz]
    #19381808 - 01/07/14 10:51 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I don't know about machine elves or any other entities on DMT because I have never had a breakthough experience, but on LSD and mushrooms I've seen the eyes several times and other strange Alex Grey shit even before I knew who he was or even saw any of his art.

I like to think that some of that stuff actually exist out there, or in there whichever the case may be. Whether we are actualy peering behind the veil into another dimension, or we are just looking at the architecture of our own minds I don't know, and I wont pretend to know.

Much of the psychedelic experience is unique and personal to each user, but there are some common threads, and themes that are shared between users.

I don't blindly except the "it is just a drug experience, it is all in ur minds" resoning. By that line of thought all of consentual reality is "just electro-chemistry and is all in ur minds."


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Re: Why Machine Elves? DMT Discussion [Re: FrozenHappiness]
    #19381885 - 01/07/14 11:11 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Its really not all that common...People focus too much on elves

Jesters are probably more often encountered. Maybe they're the same thing?

In any case, I find the insectoid theme much more interesting.


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Re: Why Machine Elves? DMT Discussion [Re: FrozenHappiness]
    #19382102 - 01/07/14 12:01 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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FrozenHappiness said:
I like to think that some of that stuff actually exist out there, or in there whichever the case may be. Whether we are actualy peering behind the veil into another dimension, or we are just looking at the architecture of our own minds I don't know, and I wont pretend to know.




I agree with you. At the very least, if it's not something that exists beyond reality as we know it, then it's simply how our minds visualize something that's not usually in our conscious thinking (but does exist in some way, shape, or form - even if that thing is subconscious processes).


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Re: Why Machine Elves? DMT Discussion [Re: Deathcore]
    #19383754 - 01/07/14 05:06 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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lol but no way to prove it cuz u were high...


nothing like that happens sober..

its all in ur head




pfff...i may have no way of proving it, but you have no way of proving me wrong. to say that this stuff doesn't happen sober is foolish. people with generally good health (physical and mental) are fully capable of having such experiences via meditation, astral projection, and various other routes. ever heard of holotropic breathwork?...if not, you should read up before you post know-it-all comments. "it's all in your head." c'mon...could you be more general/vague?..."you were high man"...how old are you, 12?


Edited by crispy86 (01/07/14 05:09 PM)


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