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Where in the world would it be legal to synthesize LSD?
    #19382044 - 01/07/14 11:48 AM (10 years, 23 days ago)

Or other drugs.


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Re: Where in the world would it be legal to synthesize LSD? [Re: s240779] * 1
    #19382113 - 01/07/14 12:04 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

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Re: Where in the world would it be legal to synthesize LSD? [Re: greenterror]
    #19382140 - 01/07/14 12:10 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

Even then, there are restrictions though.


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Re: Where in the world would it be legal to synthesize LSD? [Re: s240779] * 4
    #19382149 - 01/07/14 12:12 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

International waters.


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Re: Where in the world would it be legal to synthesize LSD? [Re: highc]
    #19382181 - 01/07/14 12:19 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

I might start a shroomery fundraiser for building a small den underwater in international territory where we can hang out and do kratom. Yeah.


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Re: Where in the world would it be legal to synthesize LSD? [Re: Snotfish]
    #19382188 - 01/07/14 12:21 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

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Re: Where in the world would it be legal to synthesize LSD? [Re: s240779]
    #19382201 - 01/07/14 12:24 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

What country would it be legal to synthesize LSD in? Anywhere in Africa?


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Re: Where in the world would it be legal to synthesize LSD? [Re: s240779]
    #19382242 - 01/07/14 12:32 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

Maybe Somalia, just because there really isn't a government to prohibit it (though I'm not sure how Islamic guerillas will feel about drug production).

The UN Commission on Narcotic Drugs basically makes an international drug law, one that any country wishing to remain in good standing at the UN will agree to--Uruguay was getting shit recently for the legalization of cannabis--highly doubt any country has done the same for LSD.


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Re: Where in the world would it be legal to synthesize LSD? [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #19382256 - 01/07/14 12:36 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

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The UN Commission on Narcotic Drugs basically makes an international drug law, one that any country wishing to remain in good standing at the UN will agree to--Uruguay was getting shit recently for the legalization of cannabis--highly doubt any country has done the same for LSD.




That is so gay.

You know??


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Re: Where in the world would it be legal to synthesize LSD? [Re: s240779]
    #19382416 - 01/07/14 01:19 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

Buy a big fishing boat, Empty the hull, put a huge meth lab in it. Come back to shore and sell it.

Avoiding law enforcement and pirates has its advantages too.


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Re: Where in the world would it be legal to synthesize LSD? [Re: Patlal]
    #19382483 - 01/07/14 01:33 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

Definitely keep an eye out for pirates LOL


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Re: Where in the world would it be legal to synthesize LSD? [Re: Happy Littletree]
    #19382489 - 01/07/14 01:34 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

no country that is part of the UN iirc


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Re: Where in the world would it be legal to synthesize LSD? [Re: Patlal]
    #19382518 - 01/07/14 01:41 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

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Buy a big fishing boat, Empty the hull, put a huge meth lab in it. Come back to shore and sell it.

Avoiding law enforcement and pirates has its advantages too.



Definitely would want to make the lab sea-friendly, wouldnt want some solvents/ acids flying around during rough seas!  :piratebattle:


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Re: Where in the world would it be legal to synthesize LSD? [Re: ChinChiller]
    #19382539 - 01/07/14 01:45 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

north korea


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Re: Where in the world would it be legal to synthesize LSD? [Re: ChinChiller]
    #19382548 - 01/07/14 01:46 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

North Korea? That's why Dennis Rodman always goes there, it all makes sense now!


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Re: Where in the world would it be legal to synthesize LSD? [Re: ChinChiller]
    #19382564 - 01/07/14 01:49 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

Well Antarctica. But seriously it's not even recognized by the UN and to my knowledge it isn't directly claimed by any nation.


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Re: Where in the world would it be legal to synthesize LSD? [Re: Gorlax]
    #19382574 - 01/07/14 01:50 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

What's harder to create, LSD or MDMA? Just curious. Which one takes more knowledge and needs more difficult to obtain materials?


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Re: Where in the world would it be legal to synthesize LSD? [Re: Magicman69]
    #19382578 - 01/07/14 01:51 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

LSD by far


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Re: Where in the world would it be legal to synthesize LSD? [Re: Gorlax]
    #19382585 - 01/07/14 01:53 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

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Well Antarctica. But seriously it's not even recognized by the UN and to my knowledge it isn't directly claimed by any nation.



It is by international treaty unclaimable by any individual country.


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Re: Where in the world would it be legal to synthesize LSD? [Re: highc]
    #19382598 - 01/07/14 01:55 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

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International waters.




The USA can get people there. Or Russia. These guys fled on boat to international waters to get away from russia and they ran right after them and didnt care.


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Re: Where in the world would it be legal to synthesize LSD? [Re: ShiVersblood]
    #19382613 - 01/07/14 01:59 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

Yeah LSD seems much more complicated and that is probably the reasoning behind all of these RC-LSD-wannabees.


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Re: Where in the world would it be legal to synthesize LSD? [Re: Snotfish]
    #19382620 - 01/07/14 02:00 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

It's like half a phenethylamine and half a tryptamine smashed together.


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Re: Where in the world would it be legal to synthesize LSD? [Re: Snotfish]
    #19382629 - 01/07/14 02:03 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

Only parts of Antarctica are claimed. It has no government. Also who the fuck would bust you anyways, fucking iceman


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Re: Where in the world would it be legal to synthesize LSD? [Re: Gorlax]
    #19382684 - 01/07/14 02:14 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

Even if it were legal, I doubt you would be able to synthesize LSD


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Re: Where in the world would it be legal to synthesize LSD? [Re: Gorlax] * 1
    #19382689 - 01/07/14 02:14 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

fuck legality...its only illegal if you get caught.


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Re: Where in the world would it be legal to synthesize LSD? [Re: Deathcore]
    #19382723 - 01/07/14 02:19 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

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fuck legality...its only illegal if you get caught.




An excellent point.

Legality is subjective. So, some people say you aren't allowed to do something? Well, who the fuck are they?


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Re: Where in the world would it be legal to synthesize LSD? [Re: ThatKidWithTheFace]
    #19382729 - 01/07/14 02:21 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

objective*

and yup.. u got it... i do what i do... they do what they do...


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Re: Where in the world would it be legal to synthesize LSD? [Re: Deathcore]
    #19382778 - 01/07/14 02:28 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

I don't wipe shit on ur face right? No need to wipe ur shit in mine

If kids wanna do 2g of Molly and od on it at a rave they're allowed to. No need to wipe shit in everyones face for the complete utter stupidity of anyone who does that much Molly in the first place.


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Re: Where in the world would it be legal to synthesize LSD? [Re: Mad Season]
    #19382812 - 01/07/14 02:35 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

unfortunately that's the reason drugs are demonized.


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Re: Where in the world would it be legal to synthesize LSD? [Re: s240779]
    #19382898 - 01/07/14 02:47 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

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What country would it be legal to synthesize LSD in? Anywhere in Africa?




Don't get any big ideas Da2ra...I like you posting, wouldn't wanna see you in prison :smile:


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Re: Where in the world would it be legal to synthesize LSD? [Re: Deathcore]
    #19382907 - 01/07/14 02:48 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

Is there any country in which all drugs are completely decriminalized? I know Amsterdam is pretty close


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Re: Where in the world would it be legal to synthesize LSD? [Re: Magicman69]
    #19382943 - 01/07/14 02:53 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

Portugal.


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Re: Where in the world would it be legal to synthesize LSD? [Re: Deathcore]
    #19382969 - 01/07/14 02:56 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

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No . . . I meant subjective.


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Re: Where in the world would it be legal to synthesize LSD? [Re: Magicman69]
    #19383245 - 01/07/14 03:45 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

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What's harder to create, LSD or MDMA? Just curious. Which one takes more knowledge and needs more difficult to obtain materials?




LSD by many orders of magnitude.


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Re: Where in the world would it be legal to synthesize LSD? [Re: koods]
    #19383682 - 01/07/14 04:55 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

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What's harder to create, LSD or MDMA? Just curious. Which one takes more knowledge and needs more difficult to obtain materials?




LSD by many orders of magnitude.




Nope, not according to that guy who made LSD and is taking questions on reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/LSD/comments/1u64zl/i_am_a_chemist_who_has_illicitly_synthesized/


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Re: Where in the world would it be legal to synthesize LSD? [Re: ThatKidWithTheFace]
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No . . . I meant subjective.




you may of meant subjective but the context doesn't fit.... see what i did there?


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Re: Where in the world would it be legal to synthesize LSD? [Re: s240779]
    #19383932 - 01/07/14 05:33 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

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What's harder to create, LSD or MDMA? Just curious. Which one takes more knowledge and needs more difficult to obtain materials?




LSD by many orders of magnitude.




Nope, not according to that guy who made LSD and is taking questions on reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/LSD/comments/1u64zl/i_am_a_chemist_who_has_illicitly_synthesized/




This sounds sketchy. He says he would have a hard time mass producing LSD because people would notice the missing diethylamine. BS. I have enough diethylamine to supply the world with LSD for the next decade sitting on a shelf - one bottle. It's not only a reagent, it's also a solvent and can be purchased by the gallon. :rolleyes:


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Re: Where in the world would it be legal to synthesize LSD? [Re: koods]
    #19384128 - 01/07/14 06:06 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

Yeah...that post looked very questionable to me as well, although what he had to say about iso-LSD etc is plausible.


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    #19384283 - 01/07/14 06:36 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

Maybe in the unclaimed area of Antarctica.


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Re: Where in the world would it be legal to synthesize LSD? [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #19384316 - 01/07/14 06:42 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

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Re: Where in the world would it be legal to synthesize LSD? [Re: greenspectral]
    #19384377 - 01/07/14 06:52 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

Just how hard would it be to synthesize lsd? Need a chemistry undergrad degree or that level of proficiency? I really am quite ignorant in this regard


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Re: Where in the world would it be legal to synthesize LSD? [Re: iarphairc]
    #19384383 - 01/07/14 06:54 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

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Just how hard would it be to synthesize lsd? Need a chemistry undergrad degree or that level of proficiency? I really am quite ignorant in this regard




Read the reddit link on the previous page


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    #19384389 - 01/07/14 06:55 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

I think getting the compounds necessary to synthesize it would be the more difficult part. But then again I don't know shit about chemistry.

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Re: Where in the world would it be legal to synthesize LSD? [Re: schwarg]
    #19384403 - 01/07/14 06:57 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

A 10 year old could do it if he could get all the necessary reagents and equipment.


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    #19384447 - 01/07/14 07:05 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

Is it reliable/accurate? Somebody was casting doubts on it


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Re: Where in the world would it be legal to synthesize LSD? [Re: s240779]
    #19384478 - 01/07/14 07:12 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

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Just how hard would it be to synthesize lsd? Need a chemistry undergrad degree or that level of proficiency? I really am quite ignorant in this regard




Read the reddit link on the previous page




Or just actually learn chemistry... I don't care what you are sysnthesizing or extracting or whatever else. You can't half ass things like that. Sure some people could get by with little chemistry knowledge and do well, but most people would blow themselves up.

Like someone else said before, even if it were legal you most likely wouldn't be able to synthesize it anyway. But I have also heard that MDMA was difficult as well for different reasons.

The main point is that if you were running an LSD lab, it would get shut down even if the country you were making it in had no laws against it. Because most likely it would be making its way to countries where there are laws against it, and that is illegal.

If you really want to make it just make it.  There is really no way to get outside the law on that one.
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A 10 year old could do it if he could get all the necessary reagents and equipment.




I'm sorry are we talking about LSD or rock candy? Because I think the synthesis of LSD would require more knowledge than a ten year old has. And if you truely believe that you shouldn't be making or taking LSD in my opinion...


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Re: Where in the world would it be legal to synthesize LSD? [Re: maddad]
    #19384487 - 01/07/14 07:13 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

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A 10 year old could do it if he could get all the necessary reagents and equipment.




I'm sorry are we talking about LSD or rock candy? Because I think the synthesis of LSD would require more knowledge than a ten year old has. And if you truely believe that you shouldn't be making or taking LSD in my opinion...




If he has good instructions, he can.


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A 10 year old could do it if he could get all the necessary reagents and equipment.




I'm sorry are we talking about LSD or rock candy? Because I think the synthesis of LSD would require more knowledge than a ten year old has. And if you truely believe that you shouldn't be making or taking LSD in my opinion...




If he has good instructions, he can.




Yeah because when you follow a recipe your food turns out exactly like the chefs right? When you get back to reality maybe someone can help you out.


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Re: Where in the world would it be legal to synthesize LSD? [Re: maddad]
    #19384613 - 01/07/14 07:36 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

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Yeah because when you follow a recipe your food turns out exactly like the chefs right? When you get back to reality maybe someone can help you out.




No comparison. There's no art to chemistry. It's exact and technical. Cooking, on the other hands, is an art.


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Re: Where in the world would it be legal to synthesize LSD? [Re: s240779]
    #19384688 - 01/07/14 07:48 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

Ok well then you move to a country that has no laws against it and tell me how that works out for you. I am assuming you have never read TIHKAL or PIHKAL, and that you know almost nothing of what you are actually trying to accomplish. Mixing two chemicals the wrong way could spell death for even the most advanced of chemists. So if you are seriously considering that as an option I would suggest you hit the books!


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Re: Where in the world would it be legal to synthesize LSD? [Re: maddad]
    #19384721 - 01/07/14 07:54 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

And as for chemistry not being an art, I would have to beg to differ. Especially in the case of Alexander Shulgin, he has created more psychedelic substances than the rest of the world has combined. And if you read TIHKAL or PIHKAL it will be clear it was art to him.


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Re: Where in the world would it be legal to synthesize LSD? [Re: maddad]
    #19384742 - 01/07/14 07:57 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

Yeah. Truthfully I was just instigating people to give clarification because I've never seen it addressed why a person with no chemistry knowledge can't simply follow guidelines for the particular chemical they're trying to produce.


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Re: Where in the world would it be legal to synthesize LSD? [Re: s240779]
    #19384765 - 01/07/14 08:02 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

Because it is exactly like following a food recipe. You know what you need and how to mix it, but you lack the experience to actually make it taste good. With all of the processes that take place in-between you need to know what's going on all the time.


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Re: Where in the world would it be legal to synthesize LSD? [Re: maddad]
    #19384786 - 01/07/14 08:07 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

Not really feeling your explanation.

Can you give me one example of a step in a synthesis that an inexperienced person might mess up?


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Re: Where in the world would it be legal to synthesize LSD? [Re: maddad]
    #19384818 - 01/07/14 08:13 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

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And as for chemistry not being an art, I would have to beg to differ. Especially in the case of Alexander Shulgin, he has created more psychedelic substances than the rest of the world has combined. And if you read TIHKAL or PIHKAL it will be clear it was art to him.




Sure but designing a synthesis is not the same thing as just following one.

The LSD synthesis in TIHKAL does not really sound all that complicated if you had all the materials and were familiar with the techniques used. A lot would be understandable to the average high school chem student: getting things to a certain temp or pH and then adding a certain mass of something, setting up a reflux apparatus, vacuum filtration, etc etc. For the techniques/apparatus you are not familiar with (perhaps ensuring an inert atmosphere for the first step, or doing the chromatographic separation later on) instructional material is readily available.

http://www.erowid.org/library/books_online/tihkal/tihkal26.shtml

Obtaining the ergotamine tartrate and diethylamine would be challenging though, and I'm guessing things get a lot more complicated if you want to start from unwatched precursors.


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Re: Where in the world would it be legal to synthesize LSD? [Re: koods]
    #19384871 - 01/07/14 08:24 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

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What's harder to create, LSD or MDMA? Just curious. Which one takes more knowledge and needs more difficult to obtain materials?




LSD by many orders of magnitude.




Nope, not according to that guy who made LSD and is taking questions on reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/LSD/comments/1u64zl/i_am_a_chemist_who_has_illicitly_synthesized/




This sounds sketchy. He says he would have a hard time mass producing LSD because people would notice the missing diethylamine. BS. I have enough diethylamine to supply the world with LSD for the next decade sitting on a shelf - one bottle. It's not only a reagent, it's also a solvent and can be purchased by the gallon. :rolleyes:




Agreed.
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Now, about "bad acid", the last step in making LSD is the separation of the inactive isomers and impurites from the active isomer d-iso-lysergic acid diethylamide. Only ~30% of the the crude product is LSD, the rest are these inactive isomers and some side reaction products as well. These impurities are only inactive in the brain, they have many effects on the body that contribute to the "body load" or "roughness" of the trip. I am certain that "bad acid" is unpurified crude product, containing a mixture of the aforementioned molecules and LSD. Acid needs to be purified via chromatography twice, once on silica to remove the side reaction products and leftover reactants, and a second time using a chiral substrate to separate the active isomers from the inactive ones. Large, professional labs could easily accomplish this, but smaller, less professional labs might forgo this and create what you call "bad acid".




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    #19384888 - 01/07/14 08:28 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

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In addition, this comment is :rolleyes:

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Now, about "bad acid", the last step in making LSD is the separation of the inactive isomers and impurites from the active isomer d-iso-lysergic acid diethylamide. Only ~30% of the the crude product is LSD, the rest are these inactive isomers and some side reaction products as well. These impurities are only inactive in the brain, they have many effects on the body that contribute to the "body load" or "roughness" of the trip. I am certain that "bad acid" is unpurified crude product, containing a mixture of the aforementioned molecules and LSD. Acid needs to be purified via chromatography twice, once on silica to remove the side reaction products and leftover reactants, and a second time using a chiral substrate to separate the active isomers from the inactive ones. Large, professional labs could easily accomplish this, but smaller, less professional labs might forgo this and create what you call "bad acid".








He knows exactly what he's talking about. There are chemicals that are only active somatically. For example, when I was reading up on scopolamine, I learned that the butylbromide salt of scopolamine does not cross the blood-brain-barrier and is used for its somatic properties. The hydrobromide salt, by contrast, is a potent psychoactive.


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Re: Where in the world would it be legal to synthesize LSD? [Re: s240779]
    #19384906 - 01/07/14 08:30 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

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He knows exactly what he's talking about. There are chemicals that are only active somatically. For example, when I was reading up on scopolamine, I learned that the butylbromide salt of scopolamine does not cross the blood-brain-barrier and is used for its somatic properties. The hydrobromide salt, by contrast, is a potent psychoactive.




No he doesn't.  He is assuming things which do not have any proof when there are much simpler explanations.


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    #19384917 - 01/07/14 08:33 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

Seems like the ergoline alkaloid, lysergol, for example, causes vasocontriction only -- not mental effects: http://advancedchemicla.wordpress.com/2012/02/28/an-introduction-about-lysergol/


There is also experiential evidence to support bad acid:


At burning man he knowingly gave away a really bad batch of LSD; you know the muddy black stuff. It caused several people to go into convulsions.

Krystle Cole speaking about Todd Skinner. Interviewed by James Kent. (8/27/05)


The one time I worked with champagne crystal I felt like I was poisoned. It was black nasty shit and I only ate a tiny speck not a thumbprint.

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Re: Where in the world would it be legal to synthesize LSD? [Re: psi]
    #19384968 - 01/07/14 08:44 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

For example you should always mix liquids into powders, instead of the other way around. Simple things like that could get you into trouble if you don't know what you are doing. Basically the point I am trying to get across is that its not that easy. Sure maybe it is to someone that this stuff come natural to, but you have to have some knowledge of chemistry to make sure all the steps are occurring properly. I am using the cooking reference because I feel it has a strong connection. Because like you said a ten year old could do it if he had the right materials/ingredients. But let me ask you would you rather have a 10 year old who only follows the recipe or someone who went to culinary school make your dinner? And if that doesn't seem relevant to you than I can be of no more help.
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And as for chemistry not being an art, I would have to beg to differ. Especially in the case of Alexander Shulgin, he has created more psychedelic substances than the rest of the world has combined. And if you read TIHKAL or PIHKAL it will be clear it was art to him.




Sure but designing a synthesis is not the same thing as just following one.

The LSD synthesis in TIHKAL does not really sound all that complicated if you had all the materials and were familiar with the techniques used. A lot would be understandable to the average high school chem student: getting things to a certain temp or pH and then adding a certain mass of something, setting up a reflux apparatus, vacuum filtration, etc etc. For the techniques/apparatus you are not familiar with (perhaps ensuring an inert atmosphere for the first step, or doing the chromatographic separation later on) instructional material is readily available.

http://www.erowid.org/library/books_online/tihkal/tihkal26.shtml

Obtaining the ergotamine tartrate and diethylamine would be challenging though, and I'm guessing things get a lot more complicated if you want to start from unwatched precursors.




Well considering the cost of all the equipment needed and how difficult it is to get said materials, I would say that's very difficult for the average Joe out there to just start up an LSD lab. And if it were that easy there would be more people doing it. How many kids each year do you think go into the chemistry field with high hopes of one day making drugs? Just read Uncle Festers book on how to make LSD. And then learn about real chemistry and see what he does wrong. There are a few fatal mistakes in that book, all on purpose. Same with the one written about making meth.

So if I were anyone planning on synthesizing any compounds I would definitely get some background in chemistry.


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Re: Where in the world would it be legal to synthesize LSD? [Re: s240779]
    #19384985 - 01/07/14 08:46 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

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Seems like the ergoline alkaloid, lysergol, for example, causes vasocontriction only -- not mental effects: http://advancedchemicla.wordpress.com/2012/02/28/an-introduction-about-lysergol/





I know about lysergol, however goes back to my earlier post " He is assuming things which do not have any proof when there are much simpler explanations.".

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There is also experiential evidence to support bad acid:


At burning man he knowingly gave away a really bad batch of LSD; you know the muddy black stuff. It caused several people to go into convulsions.

Krystle Cole speaking about Todd Skinner. Interviewed by James Kent. (8/27/05)


The one time I worked with champagne crystal I felt like I was poisoned. It was black nasty shit and I only ate a tiny speck not a thumbprint.

2/2/04. chinacat72. Re: LSD death




That's not evidence at all...


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    #19384992 - 01/07/14 08:47 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

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Just read Uncle Festers book on how to make LSD. And then learn about real chemistry and see what he does wrong. There are a few fatal mistakes in that book, all on purpose. Same with the one written about making meth.




Huh?? Are you saying he's a disinformation agent?


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    #19385010 - 01/07/14 08:50 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

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He knows exactly what he's talking about. There are chemicals that are only active somatically. For example, when I was reading up on scopolamine, I learned that the butylbromide salt of scopolamine does not cross the blood-brain-barrier and is used for its somatic properties. The hydrobromide salt, by contrast, is a potent psychoactive.




No he doesn't.  He is assuming things which do not have any proof when there are much simpler explanations.




Yeah. The active dose of LSD is so minute, there's almost no chance that impurities would have any noticeable effect. Even if the LSD was 50% impure and the impurity was cyanide, you wouldn't feel it.


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    #19385064 - 01/07/14 09:01 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

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Yeah. The active dose of LSD is so minute, there's almost no chance that impurities would have any noticeable effect. Even if the LSD was 50% impure and the impurity was cyanide, you wouldn't feel it.





Albert Hofmann got effects from lysergic acid amide at a dose as low as 500 mcg.[1] You also have to be open to the possibility that the same way LSD is a very potent product of the synthesis, perhaps other ergoline alkaloids are also altered to elicit such an increase in their potency.


[1] See page 209 (digital page: 227)

Albert Hofmann. The active principles of the seeds of Rivea Corymbosa and Ipomoea violacea. Botanical Museum Leaflets (Harvard University), 20, 6, 194–211 (1963).


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    #19385147 - 01/07/14 09:17 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

LSD is effective at such low doses because it has an extremely high affinity to a very limited number of receptors. Almost no other compound has acute affects at such a minute dose. Even potent toxins like ricin would be practically harmless at a standard LSD dose.


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    #19385209 - 01/07/14 09:29 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

LSD itself causes somatic effects like vasoconstriction.[1] Adverse effects of bad acid could result simply from other ergoloids increasing those somatic effects which are already present. Only a little bit of this or that chemical would be required to increase the effects to a level which causes discomfort. Just a guess.


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    #19385217 - 01/07/14 09:31 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

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For example you should always mix liquids into powders, instead of the other way around. Simple things like that could get you into trouble if you don't know what you are doing.



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For example you should always mix liquids into powders, instead of the other way around. Simple things like that could get you into trouble if you don't know what you are doing.



Pretty sure it's powders into liquids.




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Just read Uncle Festers book on how to make LSD. And then learn about real chemistry and see what he does wrong. There are a few fatal mistakes in that book, all on purpose. Same with the one written about making meth.




Huh?? Are you saying he's a disinformation agent?




I am not saying he is anything. All I am saying is that I wouldn't follow the instructions in any of his books. Why would the government allow such books as The Practical Manufacture of LSD or Meth to be something that can be easily purchased for under $20 on the internet? The book itself states that you should have at least a couple of years of college chemistry to atempt such synthesis. And if you did have that, and really learned something from it, some red flags would stand out about some of the procedures.

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    #19385341 - 01/07/14 09:53 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

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LSD is effective at such low doses because it has an extremely high affinity to a very limited number of receptors. Almost no other compound has acute affects at such a minute dose. Even potent toxins like ricin would be practically harmless at a standard LSD dose.




This is incorrect. Depending on RoA, the LD50 of ricin is equivalent to the threshold dose of LSD, roughly 25 micrograms.


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lol, sound evidence for sobriety in the lab




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@maddad, someone said the same thing in the Chemistry forum.


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Said what same thing?


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LSD is effective at such low doses because it has an extremely high affinity to a very limited number of receptors. Almost no other compound has acute affects at such a minute dose. Even potent toxins like ricin would be practically harmless at a standard LSD dose.




This is incorrect. Depending on RoA, the LD50 of ricin is equivalent to the threshold dose of LSD, roughly 25 micrograms.




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The human lethal dose has not been established rigorously, but may be as low as 1-5 mg of ricin by injection 25 or by the aerosol route



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What's harder to create, LSD or MDMA? Just curious. Which one takes more knowledge and needs more difficult to obtain materials?



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What's harder to create, LSD or MDMA? Just curious. Which one takes more knowledge and needs more difficult to obtain materials?



LSD hands down.




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What's harder to create, LSD or MDMA? Just curious. Which one takes more knowledge and needs more difficult to obtain materials?



LSD hands down.




+ safrole oil is probably easier to get than the precursors for L




Unless you lived next to a very unhealthy field of grain, yes. And, even then, I bet extracting whatever the compound is in the fungus that is the precursor is no simple task.


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Re: Where in the world would it be legal to synthesize LSD? [Re: koods]
    #19385460 - 01/07/14 10:11 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

If you think you need ergot or ergotamine to make LSD, you're in the dark.


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Re: Where in the world would it be legal to synthesize LSD? [Re: s240779]
    #19385490 - 01/07/14 10:15 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

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If you think you need ergot or ergotamine to make LSD, you're in the dark.




Well, I'm sure there are other routes. And speaking of in the dark... You have do some of the LSD synthesis in the dark.

If LSD were an easy synth to do, this country would be awash in LSD. Considering how difficult it seems to be to find legitimate acid these days, I would say there aren't too many folks making the stuff.


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Re: Where in the world would it be legal to synthesize LSD? [Re: s240779]
    #19385531 - 01/07/14 10:24 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

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If you think you need ergot or ergotamine to make LSD, you're in the dark.




If you are talking about converting LSA into LSD, that is a much more unstable process. And would take much more skill to complete. Other than that, I can't think of any other viable source for LSD. Since the origin of whatever you are using would have to come from one of those two sources. Unless you know of another natural source of LSD and are holding out on us...


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Re: Where in the world would it be legal to synthesize LSD? [Re: maddad]
    #19385557 - 01/07/14 10:30 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

Yeah. And I don't recall Shulgin saying anything about unreliability in TIHKAL, part 1 (the part not available online).

Another thing I was referring to is Sleepy Grass.

Another thing I was referring to is that I think Pickard determined ergocristine to be more efficient than ergotamine; and sleepy grass has the highest ergocristine content, I think.


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Re: Where in the world would it be legal to synthesize LSD? [Re: s240779]
    #19385744 - 01/07/14 11:07 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

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Yeah. And I don't recall Shulgin saying anything about unreliability in TIHKAL, part 1 (the part not available online).

Another thing I was referring to is Sleepy Grass.

Another thing I was referring to is that I think Pickard determined ergocristine to be more efficient than ergotamine; and sleepy grass has the highest ergocristine content, I think.




That would be all well and good if ergocristine wasn't scheduled as a precursor, and the purchase of sleepy grass monitored. It is just like they are busting people for mimosa root back and the powder. Plus you would have to go through the whole extracting of the ergocristine from the sleepy grass.

And LSA might not be unreliable when you are a chemistry genius as Shulgin was. But I can assure you it definitely would be for someone else.

I honestly think you are quite naive concerning this subject. I don't mean to be rude, but to say a ten year old can do it... Come on. Many have mentioned, as well as myself, that if it were that easy more people would be doing it. And I am sure that there are plenty on here who have tried or thought about it. And I'm pretty sure no one on the shroomery is an LSD chemist.


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Re: Where in the world would it be legal to synthesize LSD? [Re: maddad]
    #19386562 - 01/08/14 05:14 AM (10 years, 23 days ago)

Stupid to think a 10 year old could. Maybe a 10 year old with an extreme knowledge of chemistry. Sure he could follow the directions... until something goes wrong or something unexpected happens where he'll have to readjust levels of the compounds needed to keep everything stable. Sometimes it requires a keen eye, one that's done A LOT of chemistry so the kid wouldn't lose limbs here.


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    #19389000 - 01/08/14 04:20 PM (10 years, 22 days ago)

man id rule the world if i could create it...


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Re: Where in the world would it be legal to synthesize LSD? [Re: koods] * 1
    #19666771 - 03/08/14 08:58 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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Yeah. And I don't recall Shulgin saying anything about unreliability in TIHKAL, part 1 (the part not available online).

Another thing I was referring to is Sleepy Grass.

Another thing I was referring to is that I think Pickard determined ergocristine to be more efficient than ergotamine; and sleepy grass has the highest ergocristine content, I think.




He simply used ergocristine because his ergotamine tartrate was getting harder to obtain and his supplier got ergocristine readily for $2,500 a kilo.

Also don't use Shulgin when talking about ergolines...no offense but he knows very little. He didn't execute most of the lysergamide syntheses he had put into TiHKAL. He even explicitly mentions at one point in the first half of the book how most of his lysergamides such as LSD, AL-LAD, PRO-LAD and so on were obtained from other labs. Not to mention all his synths in PiHKAL and TiHKAL are way more complex and use costly ingredients that other more simple synths don't.

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LSD itself causes somatic effects like vasoconstriction.[1] Adverse effects of bad acid could result simply from other ergoloids increasing those somatic effects which are already present. Only a little bit of this or that chemical would be required to increase the effects to a level which causes discomfort. Just a guess.


[1] See page 775.

Stoll, A. and Hofmann, A. (1965) The ergot alkaloids: R.H.F. Manske (ed.), The Alkaloids, Vol. VIII, Academic Press, New York, Chap. 21






Even if theoretically a chemist did synthesize 100% (+)-D-LSD, theoretically there is always going to be some form of degradation (unless you can keep it -20 celcius from the time of laying the blotter to the time someone doses or some other miracle.) If the chemists nowadays push out product anywhere near as quick as they used to, you can imagine they are going to cut corners here and there, or not always have the same chemical reactions, resulting in (+)-D-LSD along with its isomers only. We've studied the isomers of LSD, they don't do shit.

I've talked with Dr. Dave Nichols explicitly on the subject matter of receptor effects he said, "No, we actually screened iso-LSD and it doesn’t have significant affinity for any receptors. I had wondered whether contamination by iso-LSD might change the character of LSD’s effect, but that doesn’t seem possible." Since iso-LSD is the only isomer that can be synthesized along with the active (+)-D-LSD in most common syntheses done, the only way to get L-LSD is by treating an ergot with hydrazine hydrate to prepare lysergic acid hydrazide, and thence to LSD (or iso-LSD), Hofmann’s original method. The hydrazine racemizes the carbon at C5. Lumi-LSD only appears as a result of time and storage but it also has no effect. An LSD synthesis using PyBOP has been done in a Casey Hardison's own house before. Sure, he went to prison for it as these things aren't legal, but based on the pictures released it was actually quite impressive. This route would result in a fair bit of iso-LSD and poor yield yet the end product has been proven through not only the power of science, but the same empirical data that many rely on, there were no known physical effects. I don't recall exactly what the results were but they are widely available online (something like 76-84% (+)-D-LSD was the end product. Even that was probably a guess by the him and not based on fact admittedly.)

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If you think you need ergot or ergotamine to make LSD, you're in the dark.




Well, I'm sure there are other routes. And speaking of in the dark... You have do some of the LSD synthesis in the dark.

If LSD were an easy synth to do, this country would be awash in LSD. Considering how difficult it seems to be to find legitimate acid these days, I would say there aren't too many folks making the stuff.



Also just one rebuttal to this.... This is from an interview with Owsely Stanley, "I called you a chemist because that is what you are referred to in most literature. Also, I assumed anyone making acid had to be a chemist, considering the fact that every time manufacturing is mentioned they always go on about how hard it is to produce it." asked the interviewer.

Owsley's reply, "Difficulty has more to do with reading ability and ability to precisely follow directions, so far as I can see. You need no knowledge of chemistry whatsoever, you just need to understand some basic principles as simple in concept as: water boils at 100C and freezes at 0C. Otherwise all published syntheses of organic and inorganic compounds can be reproduced successfully by pretty nearly anyone with at least average intelligence. I had only one semester of inorganic chemistry 11 years earlier. It took me just three weeks in a library to learn all the principles I needed to do what I had to do, including how to change standard glassware to make it work better. Simple really. Problems always have to do with availability of materials, not esoteric knowledge." So yes "technically" anyone can do it. Whether or not your average person will go through all these necessary steps to achieve synthesizing LSD is truly up to their motivation.


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Re: Where in the world would it be legal to synthesize LSD? [Re: Kman1898]
    #19666793 - 03/08/14 09:12 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Great post, Kman1898, especially the Owsely quote (what's the source?) In regard to the side reactants debate, consider the following info:


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At burning man he knowingly gave away a really bad batch of LSD; you know the muddy black stuff. It caused several people to go into convulsions.

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Only ~30% of the the crude product is LSD, the rest are these inactive isomers and some side reaction products as well. These impurities are only inactive in the brain, they have many effects on the body that contribute to the "body load" or "roughness" of the trip. I am certain that "bad acid" is unpurified crude product, containing a mixture of the aforementioned molecules and LSD. Acid needs to be purified via chromatography twice, once on silica to remove the side reaction products and leftover reactants, and a second time using a chiral substrate to separate the active isomers from the inactive ones. Large, professional labs could easily accomplish this, but smaller, less professional labs might forgo this and create what you call "bad acid".

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Re: Where in the world would it be legal to synthesize LSD? [Re: s240779]
    #19666836 - 03/08/14 09:30 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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Owsley's reply, "Difficulty has more to do with reading ability and ability to precisely follow directions, so far as I can see. You need no knowledge of chemistry whatsoever, you just need to understand some basic principles as simple in concept as: water boils at 100C and freezes at 0C




Nice quote. This doesn't mean shit. Precisely following directions rarely will get you all the way to a final product. No two setups are the same, and if you have little understanding of what is happening in a procedure, you are completely unable to respond to anything that goes off script - and when you do chemistry, there will always be things that go off script.


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Re: Where in the world would it be legal to synthesize LSD? [Re: koods]
    #19666856 - 03/08/14 09:38 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

You could probably teach yourself how to make LSD if you had unlimited resources.


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    #19666870 - 03/08/14 09:41 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

If you had unlimited resources, and you couldn't do it, then you probably can't do anything right.


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    #19666882 - 03/08/14 09:45 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Plus with truly unlimited resources you wouldn't have to make it at all because you could have as much as you wanted already.

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    #19666903 - 03/08/14 09:51 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

The synthesis doesn't look as complicated as everyone always says it is.  I think if I had the labware and precursors I would be able to figure it out within a month or so.


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    #19666920 - 03/08/14 09:54 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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The synthesis doesn't look as complicated as everyone always says it is.  I think if I had the labware and precursors I would be able to figure it out within a month or so.




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    #19666930 - 03/08/14 09:56 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Where in the world would it be legal to synthesize LSD? [Re: fapjack] * 1
    #19804813 - 04/06/14 06:26 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

Well first here's the Owsley Quote
Second, I think we both know chinacat was a load of bologna. Regardless of others opinions on that, I think we can all agree that LSD lasts ~12 hours no matter what the dose? Well then why does chinacat speak of it's duration being much longer on a thumbprint? I'm not going to pull apart everything he said but his posts are widely the reason that this "different grade of crystal" argument came about. And placebo is such a powerful thing and I'll give you an example from Sasha Shulgins' life.
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Shulgin’s ship docked at Liverpool, and he was transferred to a nearby army hospital for the operation. There, a nurse handed him a glass of orange juice, and as he drank he noticed a few undissolved grains of powder at the bottom of the glass. He assumed they were the remains of a sedative, and despite his best efforts to stay awake, he fell deeply unconscious.

When he awoke, Shulgin discovered he was wrong: the glass had contained only juice and sugar, and his collapse was caused entirely by the placebo effect. It was only after he’d already passed out that the doctors had administered an anesthetic and conducted the operation. The idea that his brain had fooled him was a revelation to the young marine: if a placebo could have such a dramatic effect, the possibilities for active drugs seemed boundless. Suddenly fascinated by the interface between the mind and molecular matter, Shulgin returned to the U.S. and embarked on a career in psychopharmacology.




Next Krystal Cole is a fucking liar and a half. How can you trust anything she has said? Also that AMA was anything but educational, they didn't go into much detail that actually means they did this synth. "I followed the gabrecht synth" doesn't mean he did. Sure you'll point me to some of the posts where he actually seemed like he could be executing it properly but in this AMA example he can't seem to explain how he got the caffeine out of the cafergot? How does Dr. Nichols not count as a legitimate source yet someone on reddit with no proven credentials that had supposedly only made LSD one time count? Oh and he only made 17mg. So how is that more credible than the ex-leading researcher on the subject who has made it and tested it a multitude of times?


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    #19804849 - 04/06/14 06:35 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

We established earlier the AMA author was full of shit, because of other things he said.


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    #19804969 - 04/06/14 06:56 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

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    #19805002 - 04/06/14 07:04 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

Most of these reactions aren't capable of exploding, except maybe the alkali metal dissolved in ammonia one. Even that is really just vigorous burning.


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    #19805530 - 04/06/14 08:53 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

Reddit is full of trolls, I saw that and immediately assumed they were full of shit before I clicked it.  That place isn't exactly reliable.


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An LSD synthesis using PyBOP has been done in a Casey Hardison's own house before. Sure, he went to prison for it as these things aren't legal, but based on the pictures released it was actually quite impressive. This route would result in a fair bit of iso-LSD and poor yield yet the end product has been proven through not only the power of science, but the same empirical data that many rely on, there were no known physical effects. I don't recall exactly what the results were but they are widely available online (something like 76-84% (+)-D-LSD was the end product. Even that was probably a guess by the him and not based on fact.




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Re: Where in the world would it be legal to synthesize LSD? [Re: s240779]
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anywhere is fine because it is not illegal until you get caught.


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An LSD synthesis using PyBOP has been done in a Casey Hardison's own house before. Sure, he went to prison for it as these things aren't legal, but based on the pictures released it was actually quite impressive. This route would result in a fair bit of iso-LSD and poor yield yet the end product has been proven through not only the power of science, but the same empirical data that many rely on, there were no known physical effects. I don't recall exactly what the results were but they are widely available online (something like 76-84% (+)-D-LSD was the end product. Even that was probably a guess by the him and not based on fact.




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Looks like it was based on fact.




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Re: Where in the world would it be legal to synthesize LSD? [Re: Kman1898]
    #20912555 - 12/01/14 01:58 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Any of the handful of places that are doing LEGAL research of some sort on psychedelics. I know LSD is legal to produce at harvard research school.


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    #20912607 - 12/01/14 02:11 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

That 'CWHardison' quote appears only in that quote. It is not a post in this thread or anywhere else on the Internet as per a Google search.


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Re: Where in the world would it be legal to synthesize LSD? [Re: s240779]
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LOL nevermind. Bad memory.


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