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Cubensis rye and 50/50 casing pin question (+ PICS)
    #19381169 - 01/07/14 07:11 AM (10 years, 24 days ago)

Hello all!

I've a question regarding some cubensis on rye.
I have a 50/50 coco/verm casing and some pinheads forming (with a few of 'em growing hard!)

But now it looks like the caps are tearing from the stem... Anyone got any idea how that can happen?  I have a small computerfan blowing fresh air against (and hopefully through) some cotton wool that acts as a filter against contams (see first pic). Next to that, I fan allmost once every 2 hours (exept during the night) and relative humidity levels are never below 95%.

Also, there are quite a few deformed shroomies in there...

About a week ago i was away for a day and when i came back i saw a greyish layer on the substrate (must've been cobweb) so I sprayed it with H202 about 3 or 4 times with 12 hours in between each time. The greyish layer is completely gone, but i think the mycelium that grew through the casing took a beating from the peroxide...

I also had to place the containers in the fridge for about week because i was going on holidays (bad timing, i know.. But i had hoped the first flush would've been ready just before i went away)

Is it possible that the peroxide is the cause of the deformed pins or is it more likely that i need more(higher)/less(lower) FAE/humidity/temperature?

Thanks in advance,

The Student

EDIT: I removed a few of the pictures in this post




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Re: Cubensis rye and 50/50 casing pin question (+ PICS) [Re: The Student]
    #19381190 - 01/07/14 07:28 AM (10 years, 24 days ago)

Another thing:

As you can see on the photos, the casing layer isn't glittering with tiny waterdroplets as I see on photos of others. The casing is spongy but does not feel that moist... Can i still safely spray on the casing and the shroomies in the containers or should i spray on the sides of the terrarium?


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Re: Cubensis rye and 50/50 casing pin question (+ PICS) [Re: The Student]
    #19381320 - 01/07/14 08:30 AM (10 years, 24 days ago)

the caps are opening too early which is a sign of dry sub..


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Re: Cubensis rye and 50/50 casing pin question (+ PICS) [Re: The Student]
    #19381655 - 01/07/14 10:16 AM (10 years, 24 days ago)

I think you're confused as to the difference between a casing and bulk substrate.  Coir is used as a substrate, not a casing.  You should just look into Monotubs, much easier than what you got going on there. I don't think a fan blowing directly on top of your mushrooms & your substrate is doing any good either. That fan is probably why your substrate is dry; also mist the sides not the substrate itself.

Also, your pictures are huge.


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Re: Cubensis rye and 50/50 casing pin question (+ PICS) [Re: AllegedCultivator]
    #19381710 - 01/07/14 10:29 AM (10 years, 24 days ago)

You always want to mist the substrate and not the tub walls. Just mist untill it glistens then fan out the tub. Iv got tons of pins without veils and several deformed fruits but they seem to grow just as well as the normal ones. In my case I think it has to do with overly nutritious sub. What spawn to sub ratio did you use.


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Re: Cubensis rye and 50/50 casing pin question (+ PICS) [Re: MudaFuka]
    #19381731 - 01/07/14 10:34 AM (10 years, 24 days ago)

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You always want to mist the substrate and not the tub walls.




Really? I've read it's better to mist the walls and not the sub? Am I incorrect?


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Re: Cubensis rye and 50/50 casing pin question (+ PICS) [Re: AllegedCultivator]
    #19381791 - 01/07/14 10:49 AM (10 years, 24 days ago)

You mist the sub because water evaporating off the sub is one of the main pinning triggers. You also want to hydrate your sub. Hydrating your plastic walls dosn't make much sense.


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Re: Cubensis rye and 50/50 casing pin question (+ PICS) [Re: AllegedCultivator]
    #19381844 - 01/07/14 11:00 AM (10 years, 24 days ago)

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MudaFuka said:
You always want to mist the substrate and not the tub walls.




Really? I've read it's better to mist the walls and not the sub? Am I incorrect?



Yes....mist the substrate to replace lost moisture.....do not mist the walls, they will not grow.


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Re: Cubensis rye and 50/50 casing pin question (+ PICS) [Re: PussyFart]
    #19381904 - 01/07/14 11:15 AM (10 years, 23 days ago)

How often then?  Just until moisture is replaced? I know in Frank's Monotub tek he says to spray the wall and not the sub.  Although this isn't a monotub, I figured it's similar enough to apply.  Plus I recently had a problem with a couple monos,  people told me it may have been because I was misting the sub.

Why are you spraying?  I can get 4 flushes from a mono without adding any moisture.  This could be caused by excessive moisture.  Besides you need evaporation, it helps build your pinset.




Response from tbagtag when I explained I was misting my sub. Not trying to argue, just trying to learn.


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Re: Cubensis rye and 50/50 casing pin question (+ PICS) [Re: AllegedCultivator]
    #19381916 - 01/07/14 11:18 AM (10 years, 23 days ago)

You can't get evaporation without moisture.


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Re: Cubensis rye and 50/50 casing pin question (+ PICS) [Re: AllegedCultivator]
    #19381960 - 01/07/14 11:29 AM (10 years, 23 days ago)

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Frank's Monotub tek he says to spray the wall and not the sub.



I highly doubt this......maybe it says to spray the walls if all the condensation disappears, but that is just for visual aid.....to help get the proper airflow.....too mush FAE and the walls will dry up.....there should be tiny rings of moisture around each polyfill stuffed hole.

Too much FAE will cause the walls to dry up and make it difficult to see if the tub is getting the proper air flow.


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Re: Cubensis rye and 50/50 casing pin question (+ PICS) [Re: PussyFart]
    #19381990 - 01/07/14 11:37 AM (10 years, 23 days ago)

Ahhh, ok, gotcha.


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Re: Cubensis rye and 50/50 casing pin question (+ PICS) [Re: AllegedCultivator]
    #19384791 - 01/07/14 08:08 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

Hello! Thanks for the replies!

I haven't mentioned it yet, but this is my first time using rye and coco. Also, my native language isn't English so sorry for any mistakes :wink:

What I did was inoculate a 1400gr pre-sterelized bag of rye and waited for  it to be fully colonized. then I crumbled the colonized bag and made containers with a 1.5cm layer of perlite, 2.5-3cm of colonized rye and as a casing I used 1cm of vermiculite and fine coco coir with a good ph value(isn't that according to the 50/50 casing tek?) example: http://www.shroomery.org/55/60-40-Vermiculite-and-Coco-Coir-Casing-Tek


I placed the containers (3 of them) back in the dark to let the mycelium colonize the casing untill it covered about 40% and than I put the containers in the FC to start the knotting and pinning process.

I had some luck with BRF cakes in this terrarium, so I thought it would be great for rye grown cubensis aswell.

Also: the fan is not blowing directly on the casing. the airflow is being held by polyfill (Almost no air coming out from behind the polyfill). Next to that, there is a glass edge in the terrarium that stop the air from going directly to the containers.


So, to summarize your comments:

-Hydrate the substrate. Any advice how to do that in this stage of the process?
-Spray the casing directly untill is glistens and then fan out the terrarium.

Thank you very much for the advice!

Sincerely,

The Student


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Re: Cubensis rye and 50/50 casing pin question (+ PICS) [Re: The Student]
    #19424201 - 01/15/14 06:28 PM (10 years, 15 days ago)

PICTURES HERE!

Hello all!

For everybody who is wondering how this grow continued:

first flush was 625 grams wet.
Second flush is on its way!

open pictures in new tab, or else the pics are too big...
http://www.anony.ws/kbK2
http://www.anony.ws/kbKA
http://www.anony.ws/kbKO


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