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Why Machine Elves? DMT Discussion
#19380394 - 01/07/14 12:43 AM (10 years, 24 days ago) |
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so, most of us, who have read about DMT or have have listened to terrence mckenna speak, know that encountering "the machine elves" is relatively common under the influence of this compound.
i have experienced them once, immediately as i was blasting off but had not yet arrived. it was as if they were showing me the way while laughing hysterically at me.
why does this type of encounter seem to be the most consistent among all other contacts with various forms of entities...why "machine elves"?
a similar question that could permit going off on a tangent, and by all means do if you feel compelled, is why is it so common for people to see eyeballs or eyes during an LSD or mushroom trip? i've seen the eyes MANY times, and so have family/friends of mine, and i've seen them depicted in alex grey's art. why eyes?
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Re: Why Machine Elves? DMT Discussion [Re: crispy86]
#19380416 - 01/07/14 12:52 AM (10 years, 24 days ago) |
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Well I'm reading the Spirit Molecule finally after my first intense DMT experience... So far I have not heard anyone describe any "machine elves". I think the vast majority of people who see them, are people who have listened to Terence McKenna's descriptions.
I love listening to a lot of his talks, but I almost wish I hadn't for fear that his description might subconsciously alter my experience, as I seem to notice happen with others. Seeing intelligent beings after hearing about them is one thing. Feeling that you've seen "machine elves" is another.
Language plays a strong role in how we perceive our experiences. If you've listened to Terence I'm sure you've heard your fair share of this type of philosophy. I think that just by identifying them as "machine elves" you strip them of a large portion of their intricacies and what makes them unique to you. Alien-type entities or intelligent beings are common in hyperspace. "Elf machines" were Terence's trip... What did you ACTUALLY see?
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Re: Why Machine Elves? DMT Discussion [Re: Shpongle1]
#19380474 - 01/07/14 01:13 AM (10 years, 24 days ago) |
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i read the spirit molecule about 10 years ago, so i can't recall much of it off hand.
terence indeed was a great speaker, and a brilliant man. i respectfully disagree with you about implanted ideas and psychedelic trips. do not get me wrong, i feel that nearly everything permeates the subconscious and is filtered somehow into the psychedelic experience, however, i do not think that encountering (not seeing) specific (in this case, machine elf) beings could be the result of an idea/thought implanted by an external source. it all seems to HAVE to come from within, or from the "raw data sphere" as dennis mckenna likes to refer to the DMT experience
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Re: Why Machine Elves? DMT Discussion [Re: Shpongle1]
#19380522 - 01/07/14 01:26 AM (10 years, 24 days ago) |
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Shpongle1 said: "Elf machines" were Terence's trip... What did you ACTUALLY see?
i very briefly saw two "mischievous elves". that's the best way i could describe them.
as soon as i put down the pipe, i was blinded with vision. my brother's kitchen turned into a spaceship with the cabinets in the kitchen normally wooden now metallic and neon-colored. then i saw metallic elevator doors open up, and a pair of "mischievous elves" flew at my field of vision with great speed while laughing hysterically at me.
it was like they were saying, "you asked for it...so here we go!!!"
then i entered other realms...i saw something which alex grey has drawn. it was his drawing: "Net of Being". i didn't just see it...i was IN it. it was an environment, a realm of pure bliss. felt like a place where you exist in between lives. it felt like home, and i couldn't help but have the biggest smile on my face, which lasted well after i had landed.
so, in light of what you just reminded me of, we bring up another related point! and i can hear you saying already, "but you saw alex grey's drawing, and it was sitting inside your subconscious as an expectation during the DMT experience and that's how the vision unfolded..."
yes, it's true...i did see his drawing first. however, i still firmly believe that we are all tapping into the same source. the RAW DATA SPHERE. it's raw existence. we are all using the same substances to reach the same realms. these beings and these places exist on other realms, and i believe that visions are shared because we are all meta-physically meeting there...
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Re: Why Machine Elves? DMT Discussion [Re: crispy86]
#19381149 - 01/07/14 06:57 AM (10 years, 24 days ago) |
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lol but no way to prove it cuz u were high...
nothing like that happens sober..
its all in ur head
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Re: Why Machine Elves? DMT Discussion [Re: Deathcore]
#19381153 - 01/07/14 06:59 AM (10 years, 24 days ago) |
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Read the book Caverns, Cauldrons, and Concealed Creatures before you trip balls next time and you'll really see some shit.
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Re: Why Machine Elves? DMT Discussion [Re: happygolucky]
#19381180 - 01/07/14 07:22 AM (10 years, 24 days ago) |
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I would call myself semi-experienced with DMT and the only time I ever got any machine elves was on salvia. DMT produces a hyper-object for me. that's it.
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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Re: Why Machine Elves? DMT Discussion [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#19381191 - 01/07/14 07:28 AM (10 years, 24 days ago) |
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you solved the cube, we came, now you must come with us , taste our pleasures
Ive seen entities on salvia, looked/felt like family , in mid air, they yelled something to me but couldnt understand them so I yelled "what??" back at them repeatedly and on LSD too in mid air - alien/human looking, often eyes on lsd/mushrooms too
did you get any messages while seeing the eyes?
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Re: Why Machine Elves? DMT Discussion [Re: lessismore]
#19381195 - 01/07/14 07:30 AM (10 years, 24 days ago) |
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I hope your words are true
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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Re: Why Machine Elves? DMT Discussion [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#19381202 - 01/07/14 07:34 AM (10 years, 24 days ago) |
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Has anyone here seen aliens on DMT? In the book DMT: The Spirit Molecule it talks about how a number of test subjects experienced alien abduction.
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Re: Why Machine Elves? DMT Discussion [Re: crispy86]
#19381214 - 01/07/14 07:41 AM (10 years, 24 days ago) |
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had this kinda thing only once when doing it with some shaman that was not connected good- probably fake shaman-, on a very high dose of ayahuasca. Trip was not good and the elves are not nice or good entities. You get them when doing it wrong and they will fuck you up! BE CAREFUL! 
Other than that I have not met anything similar. I only get to distant planets and heaven and shit So get fucking real mofos.
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Re: Why Machine Elves? DMT Discussion [Re: rikuni]
#19381236 - 01/07/14 07:54 AM (10 years, 24 days ago) |
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Last time I blasted a couple weeks ago, I had to take a piss really bad but my friends were already ready and the bowls were loaded so i was like "fuck it i can hold it for 15 minutes"
I spent the next 15 minutes in a room made of red and silver hexagons, where I vaguely made out a toilet which I kept going into, through the drains, then back out the air vent into the bathroom and into the toilet again.
Point being if you have to go to the bathroom before you blast, you're gonna blast to the bathroom. A trippy cosmic bathroom representing the endless void that is your bladder.
Whatever you're thinking about, is where you will blast to. IME
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Re: Why Machine Elves? DMT Discussion [Re: Aopocetx]
#19381242 - 01/07/14 07:59 AM (10 years, 24 days ago) |
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Aopocetx said: Has anyone here seen aliens on DMT? In the book DMT: The Spirit Molecule it talks about how a number of test subjects experienced alien abduction.
No aliens. just a UFO.
bt when I IVd 4-aco I felt like aliens in a helicopter landed on my roof and knocked me the fuck out.
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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Re: Why Machine Elves? DMT Discussion [Re: slh980]
#19381260 - 01/07/14 08:07 AM (10 years, 24 days ago) |
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slh980 said: Last time I blasted a couple weeks ago, I had to take a piss really bad but my friends were already ready and the bowls were loaded so i was like "fuck it i can hold it for 15 minutes"
I spent the next 15 minutes in a room made of red and silver hexagons, where I vaguely made out a toilet which I kept going into, through the drains, then back out the air vent into the bathroom and into the toilet again.
Point being if you have to go to the bathroom before you blast, you're gonna blast to the bathroom. A trippy cosmic bathroom representing the endless void that is your bladder.
Whatever you're thinking about, is where you will blast to. IME
Well next time I'll try thinking of pussy.
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Re: Why Machine Elves? DMT Discussion [Re: happygolucky]
#19381275 - 01/07/14 08:13 AM (10 years, 24 days ago) |
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slh980 said: Last time I blasted a couple weeks ago, I had to take a piss really bad but my friends were already ready and the bowls were loaded so i was like "fuck it i can hold it for 15 minutes"
I spent the next 15 minutes in a room made of red and silver hexagons, where I vaguely made out a toilet which I kept going into, through the drains, then back out the air vent into the bathroom and into the toilet again.
Point being if you have to go to the bathroom before you blast, you're gonna blast to the bathroom. A trippy cosmic bathroom representing the endless void that is your bladder.
Whatever you're thinking about, is where you will blast to. IME
Well next time I'll try thinking of pussy.
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Re: Why Machine Elves? DMT Discussion [Re: happygolucky]
#19381613 - 01/07/14 10:04 AM (10 years, 24 days ago) |
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happygolucky said:
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slh980 said: Last time I blasted a couple weeks ago, I had to take a piss really bad but my friends were already ready and the bowls were loaded so i was like "fuck it i can hold it for 15 minutes"
I spent the next 15 minutes in a room made of red and silver hexagons, where I vaguely made out a toilet which I kept going into, through the drains, then back out the air vent into the bathroom and into the toilet again.
Point being if you have to go to the bathroom before you blast, you're gonna blast to the bathroom. A trippy cosmic bathroom representing the endless void that is your bladder.
Whatever you're thinking about, is where you will blast to. IME
Well next time I'll try thinking of pussy.
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Re: Why Machine Elves? DMT Discussion [Re: ShroomyBudz]
#19381808 - 01/07/14 10:51 AM (10 years, 24 days ago) |
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I don't know about machine elves or any other entities on DMT because I have never had a breakthough experience, but on LSD and mushrooms I've seen the eyes several times and other strange Alex Grey shit even before I knew who he was or even saw any of his art.
I like to think that some of that stuff actually exist out there, or in there whichever the case may be. Whether we are actualy peering behind the veil into another dimension, or we are just looking at the architecture of our own minds I don't know, and I wont pretend to know.
Much of the psychedelic experience is unique and personal to each user, but there are some common threads, and themes that are shared between users.
I don't blindly except the "it is just a drug experience, it is all in ur minds" resoning. By that line of thought all of consentual reality is "just electro-chemistry and is all in ur minds."
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Its really not all that common...People focus too much on elves
Jesters are probably more often encountered. Maybe they're the same thing?
In any case, I find the insectoid theme much more interesting.
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FrozenHappiness said: I like to think that some of that stuff actually exist out there, or in there whichever the case may be. Whether we are actualy peering behind the veil into another dimension, or we are just looking at the architecture of our own minds I don't know, and I wont pretend to know.
I agree with you. At the very least, if it's not something that exists beyond reality as we know it, then it's simply how our minds visualize something that's not usually in our conscious thinking (but does exist in some way, shape, or form - even if that thing is subconscious processes).
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Re: Why Machine Elves? DMT Discussion [Re: Deathcore]
#19383754 - 01/07/14 05:06 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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Deathcore said: lol but no way to prove it cuz u were high...
nothing like that happens sober..
its all in ur head
pfff...i may have no way of proving it, but you have no way of proving me wrong. to say that this stuff doesn't happen sober is foolish. people with generally good health (physical and mental) are fully capable of having such experiences via meditation, astral projection, and various other routes. ever heard of holotropic breathwork?...if not, you should read up before you post know-it-all comments. "it's all in your head." c'mon...could you be more general/vague?..."you were high man"...how old are you, 12?
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Re: Why Machine Elves? DMT Discussion [Re: lessismore]
#19383819 - 01/07/14 05:16 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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mio said: you solved the cube, we came, now you must come with us , taste our pleasures
Ive seen entities on salvia, looked/felt like family , in mid air, they yelled something to me but couldnt understand them so I yelled "what??" back at them repeatedly and on LSD too in mid air - alien/human looking, often eyes on lsd/mushrooms too
did you get any messages while seeing the eyes?
i most commonly see the eyes in trees, although i have seen them with my eyes closed, and i have seen them on walls, etc. when i last saw them in the trees, i wasn't really receiving messages, however it was more of an unspoken recognition of one another as living conscious beings.
many of us psychonauts can recall experiencing trees as alive, but this was on a whole new level...this thing was looking at me, and i was staring straight back. we had nothing but love and recognition for each other. it had a very powerful presence. it was strange because this tree was the only one outside my apt balcony, and it was surrounded by many trees and bushes, yet it was the only one with eyes.
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Re: Why Machine Elves? DMT Discussion [Re: Aopocetx]
#19383854 - 01/07/14 05:21 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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Aopocetx said: Has anyone here seen aliens on DMT? In the book DMT: The Spirit Molecule it talks about how a number of test subjects experienced alien abduction.
i've seen what i would describe as an alien being on my last DMT trip. it was the only theme of the experience actually.
i blasted off, and i was immediately suspended in outer space, hovering in front of a large octagon-shaped, fluid-filled being that moved like jello and had about a dozen eyeballs and various circuit-board type patterns overlaying its body.
this will hands-down be one of the most memorable moments of my life. during the experience, it actually felt like i was having a face-to-face with God. i felt like, for whatever reason, God had decided to manifest in this strange form. this has nothing to do with belief; it was a genuine feeling i had during the meeting. no words or messages were exchanged. it was just an acknowledgment of one another.
i had the biggest, warm smile on my face that i couldn't wipe off if i tried.
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Re: Why Machine Elves? DMT Discussion [Re: rikuni]
#19383900 - 01/07/14 05:29 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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rikuni said: had this kinda thing only once when doing it with some shaman that was not connected good- probably fake shaman-, on a very high dose of ayahuasca. Trip was not good and the elves are not nice or good entities. You get them when doing it wrong and they will fuck you up! BE CAREFUL! 
Other than that I have not met anything similar. I only get to distant planets and heaven and shit So get fucking real mofos.
YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG! 
doing it wrong? how can you "do" a DMT experience wrong? DMT stands out among all other psychedelics because it is basically a psychedelic bungee jump. you cannot prepare for the experience...you just jump and embrace what happens. being confronted by mischievous elves that aren't very kind doesn't mean you're taking the "wrong" approach to the experience.
evil is just as much a part of the psychedelic experience as is good. seeing or experiencing something frightening while altered says nothing about your approach to the substance or the experience. it's not all about "distant planets and heaven". pfff...you should get real man.
"to fathom hell or soar angelic, just take a pinch of psychedelic" - Humphry Osmond
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Re: Why Machine Elves? DMT Discussion [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#19383931 - 01/07/14 05:33 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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Aopocetx said: Has anyone here seen aliens on DMT? In the book DMT: The Spirit Molecule it talks about how a number of test subjects experienced alien abduction.
No aliens. just a UFO.
bt when I IVd 4-aco I felt like aliens in a helicopter landed on my roof and knocked me the fuck out.
were you abducted???
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Re: Why Machine Elves? DMT Discussion [Re: crispy86]
#19383942 - 01/07/14 05:34 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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crispy86 said: i've seen what i would describe as an alien being on my last DMT trip. it was the only theme of the experience actually.
i blasted off, and i was immediately suspended in outer space, hovering in front of a large octagon-shaped, fluid-filled being that moved like jello and had about a dozen eyeballs and various circuit-board type patterns overlaying its body.
this will hands-down be one of the most memorable moments of my life. during the experience, it actually felt like i was having a face-to-face with God. i felt like, for whatever reason, God had decided to manifest in this strange form. this has nothing to do with belief; it was a genuine feeling i had during the meeting. no words or messages were exchanged. it was just an acknowledgment of one another.
i had the biggest, warm smile on my face that i couldn't wipe off if i tried.
Damn that is so awesome! Sounds like quite the trip. Thanks for sharing bro.
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FrozenHappiness said: I don't know about machine elves or any other entities on DMT because I have never had a breakthough experience, but on LSD and mushrooms I've seen the eyes several times and other strange Alex Grey shit even before I knew who he was or even saw any of his art.
I like to think that some of that stuff actually exist out there, or in there whichever the case may be. Whether we are actualy peering behind the veil into another dimension, or we are just looking at the architecture of our own minds I don't know, and I wont pretend to know.
Much of the psychedelic experience is unique and personal to each user, but there are some common threads, and themes that are shared between users.
I don't blindly except the "it is just a drug experience, it is all in ur minds" resoning. By that line of thought all of consentual reality is "just electro-chemistry and is all in ur minds."
well said
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Re: Why Machine Elves? DMT Discussion [Re: Deathcore]
#19384014 - 01/07/14 05:48 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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Deathcore said: its all in ur head
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Re: Why Machine Elves? DMT Discussion [Re: ModestMouse]
#19384732 - 01/07/14 07:55 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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What is an elf exactly? Surely not those tall goblin/gnome like creatures with magical powers and green pants?
Cause for me that really would be a silly oversimplification of the entities I did see and could never even hope to describe beyond simply saying vaguely aliens or mechanical aliens etc! How can anyone really know if the elves that they saw where the same as the ones Terrance said he saw himself? I've got no idea what an elf even is so how would I know if I saw one? Unless of course if they literally look like the elves from popular culture?
One thing I found that for me gave the hyperspace experience seemingly genuine validity was that none of the creatures I saw there were in anyway stereotypical! They were literally aliens in the sense that I had truly never encountered or conceived them beforehand!
I feel these lord of the rings type descriptions must really be rather misleading for newbies, who no doubt take DMT expecting to find themselves somewhere over a rainbow cavorting with the munchkins and the sugar plum fairy, only to find themselves thundering downwards into the utterly unspeakable ******** !
Elves! Pffft...!
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Re: Why Machine Elves? DMT Discussion [Re: lessismore]
#19385017 - 01/07/14 08:52 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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mio said: you solved the cube, we came, now you must come with us , taste our pleasures
Ive seen entities on salvia, looked/felt like family , in mid air, they yelled something to me but couldnt understand them so I yelled "what??" back at them repeatedly and on LSD too in mid air - alien/human looking, often eyes on lsd/mushrooms too
did you get any messages while seeing the eyes?
I swear I felt the presence of my dead uncle on salvia. also had some balls of light stop and say whatsup to me through some doorway. they were just as surprised to see me as I was to see them
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Re: Why Machine Elves? DMT Discussion [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#19385048 - 01/07/14 08:59 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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damn i really want to do salvia again but it's getting hard to source both on the clearnet and darknet, especially being in a state where it aint exactly legal
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Re: Why Machine Elves? DMT Discussion [Re: Jesus Christ]
#19385070 - 01/07/14 09:03 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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salvia is one of the only psychs im afraid of. not of the content, but of that spikey bodily feeling it gives.
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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Re: Why Machine Elves? DMT Discussion [Re: wolf8312]
#19385085 - 01/07/14 09:06 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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wolf8312 said: What is an elf exactly? Surely not those tall goblin/gnome like creatures with magical powers and green pants?
Cause for me that really would be a silly oversimplification of the entities I did see and could never even hope to describe beyond simply saying vaguely aliens or mechanical aliens etc! How can anyone really know if the elves that they saw where the same as the ones Terrance said he saw himself? I've got no idea what an elf even is so how would I know if I saw one? Unless of course if they literally look like the elves from popular culture?
One thing I found that for me gave the hyperspace experience seemingly genuine validity was that none of the creatures I saw there were in anyway stereotypical! They were literally aliens in the sense that I had truly never encountered or conceived them beforehand!
I feel these lord of the rings type descriptions must really be rather misleading for newbies, who no doubt take DMT expecting to find themselves somewhere over a rainbow cavorting with the munchkins and the sugar plum fairy, only to find themselves thundering downwards into the utterly unspeakable ******** !
Elves! Pffft...!
i agree that labeling can be limiting. i brought up the elves discussion to see if others could relate to this supposed phenomena, introduced by terence mckenna. i relate to it because i have seen beings that resemble "jesters" more than "elves" in appearance as well as behavior. i think "jesters" is a more accurate description than mckenna's label of "elves". i think someone mentioned this earlier in the thread.
again, i will agree with you that labeling can certainly limit explaining such experiences
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Re: Why Machine Elves? DMT Discussion [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
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Bill_Oreilly said: salvia is one of the only psychs im afraid of. not of the content, but of that spikey bodily feeling it gives.
worst feeling ever. i am a well-seasoned psychonaut, and i won't dare touch salvia. did it 3 times when i was younger...never again
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Re: Why Machine Elves? DMT Discussion [Re: crispy86]
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Aopocetx said: Has anyone here seen aliens on DMT? In the book DMT: The Spirit Molecule it talks about how a number of test subjects experienced alien abduction.
No aliens. just a UFO.
bt when I IVd 4-aco I felt like aliens in a helicopter landed on my roof and knocked me the fuck out.
were you abducted???
It sure felt like that.
the whole experience was what I expected Terence McKenna imagined DEC 21st 2012 to be like. I died that faithful day I swear to you..
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Re: Why Machine Elves? DMT Discussion [Re: crispy86]
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Bill_Oreilly said: salvia is one of the only psychs im afraid of. not of the content, but of that spikey bodily feeling it gives.
worst feeling ever. i am a well-seasoned psychonaut, and i won't dare touch salvia. did it 3 times when i was younger...never again
Same here, brother
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Re: Why Machine Elves? DMT Discussion [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
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No aliens. just a UFO.
bt when I IVd 4-aco I felt like aliens in a helicopter landed on my roof and knocked me the fuck out.
were you abducted???
It sure felt like that.
the whole experience was what I expected Terence McKenna imagined DEC 21st 2012 to be like. I died that faithful day I swear to you..
did you black out?
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Re: Why Machine Elves? DMT Discussion [Re: crispy86]
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salvia had a very jester and machine/gear like feeling for me like what you guys describe dmt to be like. like in that movie paprika if anyone's seen it, the dream scene that repeats throughout the movie. im sure some of you that have done dmt or salvia would enjoy it.
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Re: Why Machine Elves? DMT Discussion [Re: crispy86]
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yes I did. upon shooting, it knocked me over and my body was vibrating in some hyper-state as I layed sideways on my bed. then I blacked out and woke up in another level beyond that. then Terence McKenna raised my consciousness through my tv and I sunk into a machine type state while it felt like something landed on my roof and then I went through my own mind experiencing past lives and the whole 9
at the end I heard McKenna's voice say "that's hyperspace dudeeeee" after I demanded to know what happened
at some point I felt myself at the hands of a Buddha type figure and I asked it what happens at death and I was shutdown and told "that I cannot tell you, you must experience it"
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Re: Why Machine Elves? DMT Discussion [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
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Bill_Oreilly said: yes I did. upon shooting, it knocked me over and my body was vibrating in some hyper-state as I layed sideways on my bed. then I blacked out and woke up in another level beyond that. then Terence McKenna raised my consciousness through my tv and I sunk into a machine type state while it felt like something landed on my roof and then I went through my own mind experiencing past lives and the whole 9
at the end I heard McKenna's voice say "that's hyperspace dudeeeee" after I demanded to know what happened
at some point I felt myself at the hands of a Buddha type figure and I asked it what happens at death and I was shutdown and told "that I cannot tell you, you must experience it"
the mind is a supercomputer made of infinity
holy shit. that sounds nuts man. sounds like you went through a lot. i did a small amount of 4-aco-dmt a couple years ago, not sure what it was to be honest. only took about a milligram and i was off within 5 minutes. i actually started a thread a while back to ask people what they thought it was. it was advertised as synthesized psilocin
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Re: Why Machine Elves? DMT Discussion [Re: crispy86]
#19385269 - 01/07/14 09:40 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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it was real heavy stuff, but atleast it made sense. i ate 33mg of freebase 4-aco and i had an experience comparable to McKenna's bad mushroom trip where he states it lacked ALL MEANING. this was the same way, i had thoughts from previous days flood my mind at warpspeed all i could do was lay in the fetal position til it was over. that was heavy as well. i still love 4-aco i reminds me of those damn smartass asians
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Re: Why Machine Elves? DMT Discussion [Re: crispy86]
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I too am terrified of salvia but I don't really know why... The trip just seemed to be so filled with anxiety even though nothing really scary was happening. I was in another world, floating in an ocean made of letters and words... Finally I got caught up in a wave and had that feeling you get when a big wave is taking you. I fought it was able to break free from the pull of the wave and all of the words broke apart as they hit against my body and shattered into legos falling to both sides of me.
Thinking back to it, I remember it clearly and it it sounds pretty awesome. But something about it at the time was scary as fuck.
On the other hand, in my so far limited experience with DMT, it seems to put me in such a peacefully relaxed state. Comfortable and soothing, like a mother's touch. Those with more experience my comment that I haven't reached hyperspace and all of that may change at that point, which is true. But so far it seems infinitely kinder than salvia.
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Re: Why Machine Elves? DMT Discussion [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#19385372 - 01/07/14 09:58 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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When you read about people taking benadryl to hallucinate they ALWAYS, and I mean ALWAYS report similar things like smoking phantom cigs, seeing spiders, moths, insects, talking to people, etc. so we can assume whatever receptors benadryl is triggering gives off similar hallucinations all the time. Compare this to dmt, maybe it does the same as other psychedelics but by using the 5ht receptor sometimes commonly creates machine elves and eyes. 
Then there's the thought that because these both are brought up so much they're what's expected during the experience.
PS: I'm more playing around than being serious lol, I understand they're both completely different classes of drugs but it's the first thing that came to mind and I thought it was interestingish
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Re: Why Machine Elves? DMT Discussion [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
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Bill_Oreilly said: salvia is one of the only psychs im afraid of. not of the content, but of that spikey bodily feeling it gives.
worst feeling ever. i am a well-seasoned psychonaut, and i won't dare touch salvia. did it 3 times when i was younger...never again
The bodyload on Salvia FEELS terribly unsafe. Although I know the drug is harmless, the shit it puts your mind through is hell as far as physical effects.
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Re: Why Machine Elves? DMT Discussion [Re: ModestMouse]
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ya the "body high" is EXTREMELY frightening. i have heard a couple people mention on this thread a "spikey" or "prickly" feeling on the body, or as if being "hit by a wave"...i recall experiencing the sensation of having two walls close in on me from each side...and feeling like i was getting sucked into the earth's core...just a strong/strange sense of gravity and/or movement under the skin...
not to mention the whole experience is just extremely disorienting. total day dream. i find it to be the most unpredictable and frightening of psychedelics, even though, it is safe to use physically speaking.
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Re: Why Machine Elves? DMT Discussion [Re: ModestMouse]
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The bodyload on Salvia FEELS terribly unsafe. Although I know the drug is harmless, the shit it puts your mind through is hell as far as physical effects.
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Since we're talking about this I have a question. I have broke through on salvia one time. However the prickly feeling made me never want to do it again. I still haven't smoked DMT but hopefully soon. I assume it causes no such effects?
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Re: Why Machine Elves? DMT Discussion [Re: Aopocetx]
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DMT for me makes my body feel extremely relaxed, comfortable and sedated. It sort of reminds me of smoking some strong indica, that sort of comfortable "couch lock" feeling you get. I'm sure it can change from person to person depending on the particular experience, but so far for me this is how it has been.
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Re: Why Machine Elves? DMT Discussion [Re: Shpongle1]
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Shpongle1 said: DMT for me makes my body feel extremely relaxed, comfortable and sedated. It sort of reminds me of smoking some strong indica, that sort of comfortable "couch lock" feeling you get. I'm sure it can change from person to person depending on the particular experience, but so far for me this is how it has been.
Ok good that puts me at ease. I can't stand the body high from salvia. Thanks.
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Re: Why Machine Elves? DMT Discussion [Re: Aopocetx]
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the body high for me on spice was incredible. as if you're getting hit by a truck of pure bodily sedation and pleasure. it's powerful
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Re: Why Machine Elves? DMT Discussion [Re: Jesus Christ]
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i always thought the machine elfs was just his way of describing something he didnt fully understand i didnt think he actually ment he saw mechanical little green elves but just about every one i know says they saw the machine elfs now after reading his shit.
i have never seen anything resembling elfs or machines ( with the exception of a wierd organic city made of living building and machinery made of living organisms instead of metals but this was on mushrooms)
i have only seen people made of ligth completely glowing, alot of women some mother like other down rigth slutty ( my last time i saw a shadow of a crowd of people underneath a bulls head who watched me and turned into a greenish naked woman with red hair moving slowly grabbing her breasts) women without faces representing my mother, people who where sitting around me while i was tripping where seen standing around me with eyes closed, mayans, the fanta girls ( or something like that) and old man, a bald man with eyeballs everywhere, another human stuck in dmt world scared of me, the devil and his 2 sons ( was actually just a bush), a triangular faced demon, more indians, glowing skulls, a giant pyramid baby being built, wolf eyes, shady dmt beings who seemed like shady drug dealers, my wife in a red dress, and che guevara ( also saw him on mushrooms dont know why)
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Re: Why Machine Elves? DMT Discussion [Re: Jesus Christ]
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Jesus Christ said: damn i really want to do salvia again but it's getting hard to source both on the clearnet and darknet, especially being in a state where it aint exactly legal
That sucks dude, here I can Jst buy it a a cornerstore...
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