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is it wrong to mix psychedelics?
    #19377878 - 01/06/14 03:48 PM (10 years, 24 days ago)

Okay I'm just curious, everyone has their own psychomorals. I personally see nothing wrong with mixing LSD and Mushrooms, but I have a few friends who think it's wrong on a spiritual level...  I see it as "how far can it take me" they see it as "you're abusing those dude"

What do you all think? Is it wrong to mix psychedelics? Does mixing the two make me an irresponsible rave kid?


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Re: is it wrong to mix psychedelics? [Re: slh980]
    #19377967 - 01/06/14 04:16 PM (10 years, 24 days ago)

I don't think so.
Unless you are mixing things that could put you in danger.


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Re: is it wrong to mix psychedelics? [Re: slh980]
    #19377970 - 01/06/14 04:17 PM (10 years, 24 days ago)

In general pharmacological terms, no it's not wrong at all.

In terms of my personal 'psychomorals', it would depend on why you're mixing them. If you're mixing them just to get 'more fucked up' then personally I wouldn't do it and think it's wrong. But if there are genuinely different subjective spiritual elements that you find from each substance and you wish to see how these interact then I say go for it responsibly!


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Re: is it wrong to mix psychedelics? [Re: slh980]
    #19377972 - 01/06/14 04:18 PM (10 years, 24 days ago)

Hell no.  I have yet to try that combo, but I intend to eventually.  I really like mixing MDMA with acid or shrooms, and have had INCREDIBLY spiritual trips with those.  Spirituality is in the user, not the drugs.


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Re: is it wrong to mix psychedelics? [Re: RiparianZoneJunky]
    #19377978 - 01/06/14 04:19 PM (10 years, 24 days ago)

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Hell no.  I have yet to try that combo, but I intend to eventually.  I really like mixing MDMA with acid or shrooms, and have had INCREDIBLY spiritual trips with those.  Spirituality is in the user, not the drugs.




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Re: is it wrong to mix psychedelics? [Re: slh980]
    #19377981 - 01/06/14 04:20 PM (10 years, 24 days ago)

As long as the combination isn't dangerous, I don't care.

You can experience things with combinations that you never would with one individual chemical. Sometimes, they even compliment one another.

People have their own 'psychomorals', as you put it, and what constitutes abuse/misuse is subjective.


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Re: is it wrong to mix psychedelics? [Re: Terratic]
    #19378010 - 01/06/14 04:29 PM (10 years, 24 days ago)

I did both at once and it was a definite abuse. I took a hit of acid and 2g 1 hr later then did 2 hits 3 hours in and 3.5g another hour after. Then about 6-8 hours in I down a 7g stem. It was my favorite trip to date. Had ego death and a crazy purge that left me lying on my bathroom floor for an hour or 2. Too disoriented to stand up ahaha.

It started off more visual than shrooms but with that spiritual head fuck shrooms give. Obviously as I did more it got more delusional til I'm ego deathing on my bathroom floor lolol. In that trip I discovered meditation and the ability to accept. Especially when I had to accept a stomach purge that was just dry heaves. I was actually trying to take as big of hits of weed as possible to make me vomit xD. Overall idk why people get so offended for abusing psychedelics. We're all here to have fun right? Isn't that why we take shrooms? Because they're more fun than anything ever (on come down). It's about acceptance and if you can't accept abuse u haven't even half lived.

Almost every trip I always am like just do what you want. Want more drugs? Do more drugs. I always go into it like fear and loathing in Las Vegas. If i took too much... that's when the real lessons begin :wink:


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Re: is it wrong to mix psychedelics? [Re: Terratic]
    #19378011 - 01/06/14 04:29 PM (10 years, 24 days ago)

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As long as the combination isn't dangerous, I don't care.

You can experience things with combinations that you never would with one individual chemical. Sometimes, they even compliment one another.

People have their own 'psychomorals', as you put it, and what constitutes abuse/misuse is subjective.



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Re: is it wrong to mix psychedelics? [Re: Terratic]
    #19378054 - 01/06/14 04:40 PM (10 years, 24 days ago)

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As long as the combination isn't dangerous, I don't care.

You can experience things with combinations that you never would with one individual chemical. Sometimes, they even compliment one another.

People have their own 'psychomorals', as you put it, and what constitutes abuse/misuse is subjective.




I couldn't have put it any better. This is what I've always thought myself.  One thing that I've always liked, considering that psilocin in itself is DMT(4-HO-DMT), is to blast off during the comedown of mushroom trips. Is it to abuse the trip and see how fucked up I can get? No! It's the fact that I'm already on a different plane of consciousness and I want to see what my headspace is really like in there....


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Re: is it wrong to mix psychedelics? [Re: slh980]
    #19378075 - 01/06/14 04:46 PM (10 years, 24 days ago)

I prefer to mix pyschs especially love jedi flippin


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Re: is it wrong to mix psychedelics? [Re: ImFukNCLUELESS]
    #19378092 - 01/06/14 04:52 PM (10 years, 24 days ago)

Maybe your friends don't understand that you can get certain effects from mixing psyches that you wouldn't be able to get from either one alone.


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Re: is it wrong to mix psychedelics? [Re: ImFukNCLUELESS]
    #19378098 - 01/06/14 04:55 PM (10 years, 24 days ago)

I feel like I'm abusing psychedelics every time I use them. Like there's a special power I'm KNOWINGLY unlocking. I feel like everyone is abusing because once you've been there... why do you NEED to go back? You really don't. Except everyone comes back with something new to their lives, or a new way of perceiving the world. If you didn't abuse them you wouldn't have gained a new outlook. Just like how a heroin abuser will have a changed outlook too. Especially one that's gone through the addiction, learned self acceptance, and grew up knowing and accepting the demon inside.

Overall it's the opinions of the user what abuse is. But remember abuse isn't necessarily a bad thing. I doubt any reasonable person would take back the times they abused and learned lessons from it.


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Re: is it wrong to mix psychedelics? [Re: Aopocetx]
    #19378116 - 01/06/14 05:00 PM (10 years, 24 days ago)

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Maybe your friends don't understand that you can get certain effects from mixing psyches that you wouldn't be able to get from either one alone.




I think the main negative viewpoint about mixing psychedelics is a thought that it can mess up the integrity of the experience. Making it less of a psychedelic experience and more of a simplistic high.

It sounds messed up to me. Like listening to two songs at the same time.

(Do not consider MDMA a psychedelic, as another user mentioned. I don't see euphoriants/psychedelics as a bad mix.)


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Re: is it wrong to mix psychedelics? [Re: s240779]
    #19378135 - 01/06/14 05:05 PM (10 years, 24 days ago)

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I think the main negative viewpoint about mixing psychedelics is a thought that it can mess up the integrity of the experience. Making it less of a psychedelic experience and more of a simplistic high.





Yeah but mixing them is gonna potentiate any spiritual or profound thoughts. There's no way it'll be more of a simplistic high.


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Re: is it wrong to mix psychedelics? [Re: Aopocetx]
    #19378150 - 01/06/14 05:10 PM (10 years, 24 days ago)

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Yeah but mixing them is gonna potentiate any spiritual or profound thoughts. There's no way it'll be more of a simplistic high.




And the mechanism that I imagine is that the normal, delicate action on the brain receptors that is produced by only one psychedelic would be replaced with an overly-aggressive action. Which wouldn't necessarily result in adverse effects, but would not have the same dimension that a classic trip would.

I also think there's a big increase in the likelihood for a delusional experience or bad trip.


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Re: is it wrong to mix psychedelics? [Re: slh980]
    #19378176 - 01/06/14 05:19 PM (10 years, 24 days ago)

I think you should be able to use psychedelics however you want, but if you're going to take bigger leaps then you should be doing it with the right intentions, for your own sake. Although I haven't done this myself, I would think the timing is key... wouldn't want to deal with the onset of one and the comedown of another.


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Re: is it wrong to mix psychedelics? [Re: slh980]
    #19378244 - 01/06/14 05:32 PM (10 years, 24 days ago)

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Okay I'm just curious, everyone has their own psychomorals. I personally see nothing wrong with mixing LSD and Mushrooms, but I have a few friends who think it's wrong on a spiritual level...





hahaha your friends sound fucking weird man. tell em they dont know what they talking about


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Re: is it wrong to mix psychedelics? [Re: forrest_dweller]
    #19378318 - 01/06/14 05:46 PM (10 years, 24 days ago)

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hahaha your friends sound fucking weird man. tell em they dont know what they talking about




Why do they sound weird? I think what's weird is not even understanding where they're coming from. You sound very immature.


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Re: is it wrong to mix psychedelics? [Re: s240779]
    #19378357 - 01/06/14 05:50 PM (10 years, 24 days ago)

Fuck what others say. Do what you think to be right.


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Re: is it wrong to mix psychedelics? [Re: forrest_dweller]
    #19378522 - 01/06/14 06:18 PM (10 years, 24 days ago)

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Okay I'm just curious, everyone has their own psychomorals. I personally see nothing wrong with mixing LSD and Mushrooms, but I have a few friends who think it's wrong on a spiritual level...





hahaha your friends sound fucking weird man. tell em they dont know what they talking about




lol it has nothing to do with them being weird (though most might consider them that) but more of the fact that they're traditionalists when it comes to psychs. Shit one of my friends, we'll call him Dimitri, he's a painter, and when he's striking up conversations with homeowners, this would be the kick-off "You know what my favorite fruit is? bacon"


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Re: is it wrong to mix psychedelics? [Re: slh980]
    #19378559 - 01/06/14 06:24 PM (10 years, 24 days ago)

YEA ITS WRONG! your friends obviously have all the answers to life. ITS WRONG TO MIX PSYCHEDELICS!!! DONT DO IT!!!


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Re: is it wrong to mix psychedelics? [Re: Icyus]
    #19378591 - 01/06/14 06:29 PM (10 years, 24 days ago)

IME, the people that have a problem with it are the bullshit new age shamans that think they only can have an "authentic" shamanic experience if they follow certain rules and ape the way people did it in the jungles of antiquity without going down to the amazon and actually doing with a shaman.  These are the same people who will tell you that the only geniune DMT experience is caapi + p. viridis brewed up exactly the right way.  I've even had people tell me that you can't have an authentic mushroom trip with tea or lemon tek, that it is disrespectful to the host to do anything than just sit there and munch every bit of the mushrooms up slowly, or that only the mushroom species that the aztecs used can be authentic.  It's all just bullshit dogma, the psychedelic experience is what you make of it, and if you go into it with the mindset of reaching the ineffable and exploring the psyche, every different drug and combination will offer a different experience, and almost any of them can be transcendent.  Obviously, one must stay away from dangerous combinations, but aside from that, anything goes.


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Re: is it wrong to mix psychedelics? [Re: RiparianZoneJunky]
    #19378652 - 01/06/14 06:40 PM (10 years, 24 days ago)

I would imagine that a lot of psychedelic users would be uncomfortable mixing psychedelics.

OP never said that the people reprimanded him. They shared their opinion with him, and there opinions were one of concern.


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Re: is it wrong to mix psychedelics? [Re: RiparianZoneJunky]
    #19378713 - 01/06/14 06:51 PM (10 years, 24 days ago)

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IME, the people that have a problem with it are the bullshit new age shamans that think they only can have an "authentic" shamanic experience




haha this, he speaks the truth


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    #19378719 - 01/06/14 06:52 PM (10 years, 24 days ago)

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I would imagine that a lot of psychedelic users would be uncomfortable mixing psychedelics.





For one, I'm not ready to mix 'em. I think they are so unique and each have a full spectrum of information and realization to offer; mixing sounds overwhelming.

I may give a try mixing something like L and mescaline, but probably not for a while. Shrooms and L sounds like too big of a mindfuck.


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Re: is it wrong to mix psychedelics? [Re: s240779]
    #19378725 - 01/06/14 06:52 PM (10 years, 24 days ago)

I don't think it is wrong, just a preference really. I always like to have pure experiences especially for my first time to really get familiar with the experience and what it has to offer.

But in some cases the experience can be quite different each time with the same substance.

It all depends on what you want to achieve, however IME I found smoking some weed can really catapult the experience to another level which I have enjoyed.


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Re: is it wrong to mix psychedelics? [Re: Noven]
    #19378953 - 01/06/14 07:35 PM (10 years, 24 days ago)

Yes. Beware of eternal damnation for abusing these sacrements.

But seriously they're practically the same drugs. With the exception of some unique RCs there should be no issue. Just be careful with the fact that it's going to make gauging your doses more difficult


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    #19379139 - 01/06/14 08:09 PM (10 years, 24 days ago)

OP can you ask them WHY they think so?


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Re: is it wrong to mix psychedelics? [Re: slh980]
    #19379167 - 01/06/14 08:13 PM (10 years, 24 days ago)

No there's nothing wrong with it, they're drugs, they're special, sure but they're not holy sacraments.


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Re: is it wrong to mix psychedelics? [Re: Into The Woods]
    #19385873 - 01/07/14 11:39 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

no. acid and shrooms is an amazing combo IMO.


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Re: is it wrong to mix psychedelics? [Re: gman7104]
    #19385957 - 01/07/14 11:57 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

i've done more psychedelics than most people i know. and i've never mixed any of them. it's not a moral thing...it's just a comfort thing. each substance offers me so much that pondering an overlap of any 2 psychedelics gives me the notion that i would anticipate sensory/information overload. for example, smoking dmt during the peak of an lsd trip seems like it would be extremely overwhelming for me. however, many people i've talked to about it really enjoy the experience...

that's just me tho. i did mix mushrooms and L once and it was like they cancelled each other out. didn't trip at all. it was strange.

i say go for it tho if you're interested


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Re: is it wrong to mix psychedelics? [Re: crispy86]
    #19386858 - 01/08/14 08:19 AM (10 years, 23 days ago)

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i say go for it tho if you're interested




Oh I do, more often than not these days. Like I said my favorite combo is DMT on the comedown of mushrooms. It's just amazing to me. I have a few friends who think much similarly to you, and your response is really what I wanted to hear from everyone this whole thread lol.

To each their own :smile:


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Re: is it wrong to mix psychedelics? [Re: crispy86]
    #19387542 - 01/08/14 11:21 AM (10 years, 23 days ago)

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for example, smoking dmt during the peak of an lsd trip seems like it would be extremely overwhelming for me. however, many people i've talked to about it really enjoy the experience...





I loved that combo! I wanted a more powerful trip but didn't want to take more LSD. I wouldn't say I wanted to "get more fucked up" I just wanted the peak to be more intense. It's been a long time since I did shrooms and LSD at same time but I am think I will try it again in 2014. LSD and and Ketamine too I hear mostly positives on that one.
PS I am very experienced with LSD, rookies should stick with one at a time until they know the chemical well, just my opinion. People in the 60's used to mix speed and LSD I would never do that. I don't mix LSD with alcohol either.


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Re: is it wrong to mix psychedelics? [Re: my3rdeye]
    #19388167 - 01/08/14 01:20 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

now that i think about it, i did smoke some dmt on the comedown of a mushroom goo experience last year...i didn't take many rips so i didn't breakthrough, but it was a pleasant experience.

i also recall a time when i was younger, when i ate a few gel tabs, and drank like a fish. i used to never drink more than a six pack, and now i can't drink at all. it was strange how the tabs allowed me to drink so much...

anyway, smoking dmt on the comedown of a trip seems less anxiety-provoking...because, as somebody once put it...it's like jumping to pluto from mars, instead of jumping to pluto from earth. on mushrooms or LSD, you're already well on your way and it's just easier to blast off without hesitation


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Re: is it wrong to mix psychedelics? [Re: RiparianZoneJunky]
    #19388274 - 01/08/14 01:47 PM (10 years, 22 days ago)

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IME, the people that have a problem with it are the bullshit new age shamans that think they only can have an "authentic" shamanic experience if they follow certain rules and ape the way people did it in the jungles of antiquity without going down to the amazon and actually doing with a shaman.  These are the same people who will tell you that the only geniune DMT experience is caapi + p. viridis brewed up exactly the right way.  I've even had people tell me that you can't have an authentic mushroom trip with tea or lemon tek, that it is disrespectful to the host to do anything than just sit there and munch every bit of the mushrooms up slowly, or that only the mushroom species that the aztecs used can be authentic.  It's all just bullshit dogma, the psychedelic experience is what you make of it, and if you go into it with the mindset of reaching the ineffable and exploring the psyche, every different drug and combination will offer a different experience, and almost any of them can be transcendent.  Obviously, one must stay away from dangerous combinations, but aside from that, anything goes.




the things about mushrooms and lemon tek'ing not being authentic is even more ridiculous since it's not even mixing psychedelics. there are probably thousands of factors that can change any given trip, and lemon tek'ing is just a purposeful and intended way of changing a trip.  what if someone accidentally ate some chocolate before a 5gram journey. Would their experience not be authentic.  I think this also translates into mixing psychedlics because there are so many small ways a trip can change sometimes even in huge ways like eating chocolate beforehand. 

i've also read of many people online, more so like on aya forums, that you can't grow dmt plants outside of their natural environment in the amazon or wherever because its disrespectful to the plant and will carry consequences. that's ridiculous!


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Re: is it wrong to mix psychedelics? [Re: Jesus Christ]
    #19388577 - 01/08/14 03:00 PM (10 years, 22 days ago)

is anything wrong? is anything rigth? do we even exist or is this all part of my imagination perhaps even a dream. the only way to find the answers you seek is through trial and error.


personallly i prefer not to mix anything and enjoy all drugs separately at higher doses

but thats just me
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Re: is it wrong to mix psychedelics? [Re: allseeingike]
    #19388620 - 01/08/14 03:09 PM (10 years, 22 days ago)

Know that the mixing of it, is the killing of both and creation of the hybrid. It is not two... or are you two people? It becomes a part of you.. and you become a part of it.. then you discharge some and keep the rest...


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And thus begins the  reverse-fusing of our one-dimentional understanding, and adds ever-expanding perspectives, in depth and number; splitting our perception, and in so doing, seemingly irrationally, creates yet more one-ness, with all that ever was, is and will ever be, streching across the infinite, inunderstood concept of everything, percievable and not.


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