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Re: Any UFC fans 'round here? [Re: La Flama Blanca]
    #23521674 - 08/08/16 10:52 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Seriously, let's be real here, nobody is getting in a fucking cage and getting their ass beat for the pride of it all. 100% of fighters are in it 100% for the money.


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Re: Any UFC fans 'round here? [Re: Ran-D]
    #23521734 - 08/08/16 11:16 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

ran-d, are you being sarcastic? or do you have no idea what kind of money is in professional fighting? i'm guessing you were being sarcastic, since the list of fighters who have spoken out about the abysmal state of the financial situation of the UFC's fighters is constantly being spoken out about by even high profile "well paid" fighters like cowboy cerone, jose aldo, nate diaz, wanderlei silva, ect ect. 99% of fighters are in fact in it for "pride", love of the sport, reasons other than money.

getting the feeling that i'm being trolled. you guys are fucking with me right?


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Re: Any UFC fans 'round here? [Re: Supachopped719]
    #23521758 - 08/08/16 11:27 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Getting drunk and fighting in bars is a lifestyle.

Once you sign a contract for money and start getting sponsorships and tv/movie/video game deals, you have a job or career.




silly accusatory jab at me about allegedly getting in bar fights noted. not going to dignify that with any more attention. moving on...

if you do not know that competitive fighting is a lifestyle, i'm sorry but you have 0 actual knowledge about competitive fighting. not trying to be a dick at all, but that is 100% fact. training 3 times per day, 6 days a week is standard among top athletes in this sport. their diet, time, sleep, ect is ALL centered around being a better competitor.  does that sound like a job to you? does that sound like what you do for work, or does it sound like 10x the amount of effort you put into your job? the amount of passion a UFC champion has for their "job" as you put it, is likely beyond any passion you've ever experienced. again, no disrespect, those are just the facts.




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Saying that mma isn't Tyron Woodly's job is pretty ridiculous. You can make the argument that its a lifestyle, very well...it's also his job by literal definition of "job". If you think about it, that's the best job you could have...one that suits your preferred lifestyle.



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thanks for proving me right. you clearly have no idea about the subject matter. posting strings of memes and simply quoting someone who barely agreed with you whilst simultaneously equally agreeing with me, all without using any words of your own, sufficiently proves my point. thank you, and i accept your concession. hopefully this will inspire you to actually educate yourself on the subject before forming such strong options about it. MMA is a pretty interesting niche of the entertainment industry; the reading material out there is far from dry. if your keen, maybe even try out some classes (BJJ, wrestling, boxing, kick boxing) at a local gym. it's a lot of fun and a great way to come to "know thyself" as the wise saying goes. :thumbup:


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Re: Any UFC fans 'round here? [Re: La Flama Blanca]
    #23521786 - 08/08/16 11:40 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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ran-d, are you being sarcastic? or do you have no idea what kind of money is in professional fighting? i'm guessing you were being sarcastic, since the list of fighters who have spoken out about the abysmal state of the financial situation of the UFC's fighters is constantly being spoken out about by even high profile "well paid" fighters like cowboy cerone, jose aldo, nate diaz, wanderlei silva, ect ect. 99% of fighters are in fact in it for "pride", love of the sport, reasons other than money.

getting the feeling that i'm being trolled. you guys are fucking with me right?




Well if they are in it for pride what are they complaining about?

How about this, you convince McGregor to do a headline fight for free and I will give you the million dollars that he would normally want.


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Re: Any UFC fans 'round here? [Re: Ran-D]
    #23521823 - 08/08/16 11:56 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

of course you would bring up connor mcgregor, one of if not THE highest paid athlete in UFC history. i'm guessing you also think professional boxers are paid well because floyd mayweather (jr of course) raked in hundreds of millions per fight.

don't even know why i'm still in this thread. clearly none of you are actually interested in the sport, at least not enough to learn anything more about it.


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Re: Any UFC fans 'round here? [Re: La Flama Blanca]
    #23522060 - 08/08/16 01:47 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Brock gets paid more than McGregor.


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Re: Any UFC fans 'round here? [Re: La Flama Blanca]
    #23523340 - 08/08/16 09:41 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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ran-d, are you being sarcastic? or do you have no idea what kind of money is in professional fighting? i'm guessing you were being sarcastic, since the list of fighters who have spoken out about the abysmal state of the financial situation of the UFC's fighters is constantly being spoken out about by even high profile "well paid" fighters like cowboy cerone, jose aldo, nate diaz, wanderlei silva, ect ect. 99% of fighters are in fact in it for "pride", love of the sport, reasons other than money.

getting the feeling that i'm being trolled. you guys are fucking with me right?




I agree with a bit of what you're saying.  People get into fighting for probably far more interesting reasons on average than people get into other sports.  I can't remember who said it... maybe it was Don Frye or Pete Williams... but basically he said for you to have been a professional fighter (particularly early on), you have to LOVE fighting or have a screw loose.

The pay vs. expenses of the sport still suck pretty badly for probably most of the fighters in the UFC. I think Forrest Griffin said that when he was fighting, most fighters didn't usually start having real income from the sport until their third victory.


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Re: Any UFC fans 'round here? [Re: La Flama Blanca]
    #23525483 - 08/09/16 05:22 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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ran-d, are you being sarcastic? or do you have no idea what kind of money is in professional fighting? i'm guessing you were being sarcastic, since the list of fighters who have spoken out about the abysmal state of the financial situation of the UFC's fighters is constantly being spoken out about by even high profile "well paid" fighters like cowboy cerone, jose aldo, nate diaz, wanderlei silva, ect ect. 99% of fighters are in fact in it for "pride", love of the sport, reasons other than money.

getting the feeling that i'm being trolled. you guys are fucking with me right?




Hey man, I can't answer for others, but
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of course you would bring up connor mcgregor, one of if not THE highest paid athlete in UFC history. i'm guessing you also think professional boxers are paid well because floyd mayweather (jr of course) raked in hundreds of millions per fight.

don't even know why i'm still in this thread. clearly none of you are actually interested in the sport, at least not enough to learn anything more about it.



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of course you would bring up connor mcgregor, one of if not THE highest paid athlete in UFC history. i'm guessing you also think professional boxers are paid well because floyd mayweather (jr of course) raked in hundreds of millions per fight.

don't even know why i'm still in this thread. clearly none of you are actually interested in the sport, at least not enough to learn anything more about it.




Blanca, hey man - not everyone is here to argue - so you can't really say people are not interested / dont want to learn more about the sport.

I watch all I can (which, is honestly, quite a lot). I read BloodyElbow and MMAMania every day. I watch the PPV cards, fight nights, international events, and everything I can. I've watched Bellator, Rizin, Pride, K1, UFC, King of the Cage, you name it, I've watched it. Hell, I watch fights multiple times after they aired, already knowing the outcomes.

I am waiting to see the Russian guy UFC signed, after he finishes his Olympic run - He is like a 290lb guy that's going to have to cut down to 265. Rogan seems really stoked on him, and honestly - Joe Rogan is one of the most informed people in the sport (love him or hate him). I really like Joe Rogan, and think he has some of the best job(s) period. Best seats in the house, he's funny as hell in his stand-up, and I really liked him on Fear Factor, when he had hair. He is an odd looking dude though lol.

Everyone should just chill a little bit - no reason to get worked up or whatever over this thread, it's a place to come chat about whats up, the fights, fighters, and stuff.

Anyways - who's got predictions for 202 coming up? I'm still really on the fence but leaning towards Diaz. Everyone is saying how McG is training with bigger guys (taller), and stuff, but honestly - do you think Diaz ain't putting in the same amount of work? Kids a beast. Going up 2 weight classes is no joke though.

I've got to figure something out so I can throw a $50 spot on Bovada. I usually do a $50 on the main, and $20 on the co-main. My last bet I put $300 on Cyborg, just to win $24, but that was a guarantee almost vs Leslie Smith. It would of been tough to throw away that $300 though!  That was my biggest bet amount on UFC/MMA, and I'm just glad I didn't put anything on Lawler v Woodley, cuz I would of lost.


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Re: Any UFC fans 'round here? [Re: La Flama Blanca]
    #23528357 - 08/10/16 02:12 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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of course you would bring up connor mcgregor, one of if not THE highest paid athlete in UFC history. i'm guessing you also think professional boxers are paid well because floyd mayweather (jr of course) raked in hundreds of millions per fight.





This is a very valid point. A lot of people look at Floyd Mayweather, or Conor McGregor, and would conclude that fighters have it extremely good. But those few winners are offset by hundreds, if not thousands, of losers, who have nothing but a severe concussion to show for their efforts.

There are certainly people who are passionate about fighting. That's not to say that those same people are not also passionate about their financial well-being or their paychecks relative to that of their peers.

Remember when Royce Gracie was coming out and fighting guys 200+lbs in a tournament, representing his father's fighting style? That was for pride. Was Royce interested in the $50,000 prize, of course.


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Re: Any UFC fans 'round here? [Re: amp244]
    #23528709 - 08/10/16 04:17 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

The old school fighters get rather grumpy when you bring modern fighters paychecks and smarter training techniques being used in gyms/camp.

But most fighters who aren't at the championships level are not rich at all.


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Re: Any UFC fans 'round here? [Re: Society]
    #23529205 - 08/10/16 06:48 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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The old school fighters get rather grumpy when you bring modern fighters paychecks and smarter training techniques being used in gyms/camp.

But most fighters who aren't at the championships level are not rich at all.




They get mad, because most of them had to have real jobs - I think Don Frye even got fired from the fire department because he was a fighter. The most successful fighters, parlay over into commenting, clothes, brands, internet, or stuff like that. The fight money doesn't last forever if your not the top dog.


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Re: Any UFC fans 'round here? [Re: Exceed19_2000]
    #23529227 - 08/10/16 06:56 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

They're also grumpy because they trained like knuckleheads back then.  Their training was work hard not work smart.  They beat the fuck out of each other in the gym, didn't rest, used drugs (many of them), and their health suffered.  Then add the shitty paydays to that and you got some grumpy old fighters.

It's fascinating but disturbing to hear about the old MMA world.  Even Forrest Griffin's era.  Said he lost count of how many concussions he had just in his camps and sparring.

Athletic training/science for MMA has come a long ways, but there are still gyms hanging on to the old ways.


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Re: Any UFC fans 'round here? [Re: Society]
    #23530269 - 08/11/16 04:43 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Like many of the psychonauts, I got into UFC via the JRE podcast.


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Re: Any UFC fans 'round here? [Re: tonyb_23]
    #23532296 - 08/11/16 05:42 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

So crazy.

I only know who Joe Rogan is because of the UFC.  I've never seen an ep of Fear Factor or The Man Show.


In other news, Ben Rothwell is out of the bout versus Werdum.  Hope they find a replacement and Werdum doesn't suddenly announce his own injury as well.


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Re: Any UFC fans 'round here? [Re: Society]
    #23544561 - 08/15/16 04:30 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Got my fingers crossed that Nate chokes out that little Irish fella again at the weekend, I don't have a problem with Conor at all, in fact he is one of the guys I like to watch fight the most, I just think Nate deserves the attention, recognition and the pay day(s) that will come if he beats him down again.

Be very interesting to see how he does with a full camp, and how Conor turns up with a better strategy and a hell of a lot more respect for Nate's game and ability. Should be a good one!

Can't recall a lot of the rest of the card, gonna take a look now and think about putting some money down, been too many cards the last few weeks to keep track of them all...


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Re: Any UFC fans 'round here? [Re: egodeathflux]
    #23554147 - 08/18/16 05:32 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Almost game day kids!

Q: Whats the biggest way to show your a badass?

A: Throw water bottles and cans!

LOL, the presser sure went sideways, DW was pissed, playing daddy "Conor, CONOR, don't throw that wate - DONT THROW THE WATER BOTTLE, DAMMIT CONOR WE ARE LEAVING, NOW".


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    #23554208 - 08/18/16 05:45 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Me thinks publicity stunt.


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Re: Any UFC fans 'round here? [Re: amp244]
    #23555304 - 08/18/16 10:14 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

UFC 202 predictions and analysis?

Conor McGregor evidently spent $300,000+ on his fight camp, hiring professional boxers with Nate Diaz's stance and body type.  His devotion to the fight game reminds me of GSP's- obsessed with improving and being able to conquer a specific opponent.  And he has the financial resources to make things happen in his fight camp and training that might give him an edge over people who train old school.

Nate Diaz obviously has great skills but he's been figured out by several fighters in the past.  I see less rapid progression in his game, which is why he's never had a UFC belt.  That being said, he looked well-prepared in the Michael Johnson fight.  But if comes in with an identical gameplan as the previous McGregor fight, it may not be enough to compensate for the adjustments and improvements McGregor made.

Nate still has a non-negligible size and reach advantage, though.  Oh, and I hear he beat McGregor previously on 11 days notice.


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Re: Any UFC fans 'round here? [Re: Society]
    #23555961 - 08/19/16 06:10 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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UFC 202 predictions and analysis?

Conor McGregor evidently spent $300,000+ on his fight camp, hiring professional boxers with Nate Diaz's stance and body type.  His devotion to the fight game reminds me of GSP's- obsessed with improving and being able to conquer a specific opponent.  And he has the financial resources to make things happen in his fight camp and training that might give him an edge over people who train old school.

Nate Diaz obviously has great skills but he's been figured out by several fighters in the past.  I see less rapid progression in his game, which is why he's never had a UFC belt.  That being said, he looked well-prepared in the Michael Johnson fight.  But if comes in with an identical gameplan as the previous McGregor fight, it may not be enough to compensate for the adjustments and improvements McGregor made.

Nate still has a non-negligible size and reach advantage, though.  Oh, and I hear he beat McGregor previously on 11 days notice.



Nice. I agree with your anal Isis.

Prediction for Johnson/texeira?


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Re: Any UFC fans 'round here? [Re: Matt87]
    #23556029 - 08/19/16 07:06 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I have Nate all the way. He absolutely starched Conor last time, and on 11 days notice.

Despite Conor's training camp, I think most grapplers would agree you don't just "pick up" BJJ and wrestling in the six months since his last ass-whooping. Nate has been beat and figured out many times, but the blue print is heavy leg kicks and grappling. Basically, the opposite of what Conor can do.

I'm rooting for the Irish man, but just don't see it happening.


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