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Re: Any UFC fans 'round here? [Re: m4dScientist]
    #22334214 - 10/04/15 07:07 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I still love mma but shit, if I can fall asleep to a ufc card nowadays, SOMETHING is wrong.




Maybe get more rest during the evenings. :smirk:

It was a main card of all decisions, but I thought they were good fights. I don't need to see everyone get brain trauama to have a good night.  Evans vs. Bader was probably the least exciting for me, though.


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Re: Any UFC fans 'round here? [Re: Society]
    #22359333 - 10/10/15 01:59 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Anyone else a Fight Pass subscriber?  I used to think it wasn't worth the price unless you really liked re-watching past fights, including the other promotions Zuffa bought.  They've gotten better with having a decent number of exclusive pre-lims for Fight Nights/PPV and they've also increased the number of exclusive events, including other promotions (Pancrase, Invicta, Shooto, etc.)

Dustin Poirier vs. Joe Duffy and Rothwell vs. Miocic are on Oct 24.  I'm going to eat lots of wings.


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Re: Any UFC fans 'round here? [Re: Society]
    #22359695 - 10/10/15 03:31 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Any UFC fans 'round here? [Re: m4dScientist]
    #22359769 - 10/10/15 03:55 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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it was better when no one knew how to fight because it usually ended up the person with the more skilled discipline obliterating the other person using that technique.

now theres counters to EVERYTHING. n everyone is so skilled in every discipline that u usually end up having everyone cancel each other out essentially. I still love mma but shit, if I can fall asleep to a ufc card nowadays, SOMETHING is wrong.




and its only going to get ALOT worse now that IV bags are illegal.  The champs were champs because they had skills AND using natural advantages.  Now that they can't IV, they will be forced up in weight classes that take away the advantages they had.  Now all they have are their skills to rely on, which means some will cut it, but most won't.  It'll look like the heavy weight division where champs change every.....well fuck i was gunna say every year but cain only fought every 2 years:rofl:


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Re: Any UFC fans 'round here? [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #22360187 - 10/10/15 06:13 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Matt, fight pass is only $10 a month. It's well worth the money. I'm not actually a subscriber, but I definitely want to see the rise of Joseph Duffy. I truly believe the kid is a contender.

N makavelli, you're right. It should be interesting to see how things turn out in the next year. With iv bags being banned, and the new reebok sponsorship, we're going to see a lot of fighters on the decline and lots of fighters leaving for bellator.

On an interesting note, Brendan schaub on his podcast the other day mentioned that aldo would beat Connor if the fight happened BEFORE the new drug testing was implemented. Seems like he was implying he knew something. Thought that was strange.


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Re: Any UFC fans 'round here? [Re: m4dScientist]
    #22419716 - 10/22/15 07:06 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Man, the Dublin Fight Pass card this weekend has taken a severe beating.  The two main fights dropped within the two weeks before the event.  The rest of the card is comprised of athletes few casual fans have ever heard of.

I'm still fucking stoked.  I love a Saturday afternoon of excellent MMA fights- unfettered by the UFC hype machine.  Just gonna enjoy it without feeling compelled to root for anyone. :smile2:


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Re: Any UFC fans 'round here? [Re: Society]
    #22420441 - 10/22/15 09:32 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I was really hoping to see what kind of shenanigans rothwell was gonna come up with this time, so that sucks. But the announcement of stipe vs arlovski is cool. DEFINITE number one contender fight.

But yeah, the main event getting cancelled SUCKS. Poirer looks legit at lightweight and Duffy is an up n comer with a loooot of hype behind him. Dude is talented as hell too. ive been really looking forward to seeing him face a step up in competition, but oh well. I guess in a couple months when they reschedule the fight.


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Re: Any UFC fans 'round here? [Re: m4dScientist]
    #22420460 - 10/22/15 09:35 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

whole thing stinks and whoever wins stipe vs arlovski won't be contender because cain/verdum are still so far away to fighting.  cain/verdum will fight, then the winner will defend it next chrismas, but then get injuried and defend it mid summer instead:facepalm:  meanwhile half the heavyweight devision will have retired by then or went to bellator:lol:


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Re: Any UFC fans 'round here? [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #22423080 - 10/23/15 01:48 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Sooo.... Jonny Bones just officially got reinstated... you think he's going to try and come in for DC right away? And if he does, does he win? Does he have that same sharpened skill that was able to defeat DC the first time? Will he be able to stop the shot? Will ring rust prevent him from regaining the belt? And if Jon loses, will he get an immediate rematch? And also, will a lose tarnish his legacy?

Honestly, I haven't really missed him all that much.

And on a side note, do you guys think those last two loses to Weimar Weidman  (damn new phone and it's infuriating auto correct!!!) tarnished Andersons legacy?


Haha, sorry it's just a post full of random questions lol, guess I took one too many after work today :rasta:


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Re: Any UFC fans 'round here? [Re: art2312]
    #22481567 - 11/05/15 03:28 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

So the older gentlemen are headlining this weekend.  A lot of wear and tear and no more TRT exemption (though Belfort's rep has suffered for his less than legitimate drug use).

I don't have much of a prediction, but am interested in seeing the fight.  Henderson hasn't had any recent success against top opponents, but is still knocking out inferior competition.  Belfort seemed to be missing a spark in his post TRT fight against Weidman. 

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And on a side note, do you guys think those last two loses to Weimar Weidman  (damn new phone and it's infuriating auto correct!!!) tarnished Andersons legacy?




I don't think ending a career with losses should be considered to be tarnishing a legacy whatsoever.  Fighters historically have required a few beatdowns (or major injuries) before they realize it's time to hang up the gloves.  Most people aren't going to quit if they can keep being the champ and making larger and larger sums of money.

That being said, his last fight's drug fiasco has a lot of fans questioning his legacy.  I personally am not one to write off a fighter's entire career because they get popped for drugs once at, like, age 39.

Quite a few fighters have gone on to point out that PED use is/was rampant.  Suggesting that over 90% of the UFC's roster use(d).  It's a fact of the sport's past (and present, I would assume) that we have to accept as fans.  Hopefully with the new testing, it will be more of a thing of the past.


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Re: Any UFC fans 'round here? [Re: Society]
    #22483696 - 11/05/15 10:42 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

society, I see what youre saying for sure, BUT, consider this.

Anderson was popped for steroid use. first off, his physique hadn't changed whatsoever. that makes some people question whether hes been using his entire career due to the lack of change in his physical appearance. but, not all steroid users appear to be physically larger while cycling. some use it strictly for recovery time and explosiveness.

so we disregard this and move on to the next question. why did it take Anderson SO long to come out with a response to his failed test? he literally disappeared when the test results were released, only to appear later to say that hes not supposed to talk about the situation and theyre looking into it. what kind of innocent man hides from the media, and then responds with "im not allowed to talk until we figure something out."

lastly, I think what it comes down to is that cheating is a mentality. its not just an act. trying to gain an unfair advantage over your opponent is cheating, and unsportsmanlike. athletes normally have the "may the best man win attitude". granted, Anderson was coming off an injury, but if he needed more time to heal, he should've done it naturally and waited a while longer.

once a cheater always a cheater. (in my opinion) I could be wrong about everything above :lol:


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Re: Any UFC fans 'round here? [Re: m4dScientist]
    #22483730 - 11/05/15 10:47 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

its like lance armstrong, he cheated, it made him the best, but he didn't look roided out.


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Re: Any UFC fans 'round here? [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #22484337 - 11/06/15 02:55 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Lance Armstrong didn't get accused of steroids. He was blood doping. You don't get extra muscle; you get extra oxygen.


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Re: Any UFC fans 'round here? [Re: Brian Jones]
    #22484392 - 11/06/15 04:05 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

right but they are saying the champs in the UFC were too, hence why they got rid of IV's.  There's some drugs made more for performance than muscles as well, i think the ones silva was on weren't really used much for muscles, but they do cause weak bones which is speculated as to why he had his leg break besides the obvious leg check


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Re: Any UFC fans 'round here? [Re: m4dScientist]
    #22487679 - 11/06/15 06:35 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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society, I see what youre saying for sure, BUT, consider this.

Anderson was popped for steroid use. first off, his physique hadn't changed whatsoever. that makes some people question whether hes been using his entire career due to the lack of change in his physical appearance. but, not all steroid users appear to be physically larger while cycling. some use it strictly for recovery time and explosiveness.

so we disregard this and move on to the next question. why did it take Anderson SO long to come out with a response to his failed test? he literally disappeared when the test results were released, only to appear later to say that hes not supposed to talk about the situation and theyre looking into it. what kind of innocent man hides from the media, and then responds with "im not allowed to talk until we figure something out."

lastly, I think what it comes down to is that cheating is a mentality. its not just an act. trying to gain an unfair advantage over your opponent is cheating, and unsportsmanlike. athletes normally have the "may the best man win attitude". granted, Anderson was coming off an injury, but if he needed more time to heal, he should've done it naturally and waited a while longer.

once a cheater always a cheater. (in my opinion) I could be wrong about everything above :lol:





I don't disagree with anything you wrote, and I hope I didn't paint myself as a Anderson Silva apologist.

There's a significant misconception that PED's are used just to bulk up muscle mass, which is very far from the truth.  I might even suggest that the majority of UFC fighters that have been popped don't have bodybuilder physiques.  They use it for conditioning, speed, endurance, etc. (like Lance Armstrong).

It certainly wouldn't surprise me if Anderson Silva used drugs for most of his career.  But at this point, it wouldn't surprise me if the majority of the champions, journeymen, and losers also used drugs at points in their career or for its entirety.

If the comments from fighters like GSP, Brian Stann, and Sam Alvey and others are to be believed, PED use occurs in over 90% of the fighters.  Heck, Anderson Silva defeated two users (Sonnen and Bonnar) who tested positive when Silva did not test positive.  I still think he is one of the greatest of all time for an era that had exemptions and an incredibly weak testing protocol.  :shrug:  Do you disagree?

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Again, I don't necessarily disagree.  If I placed a bet, it would be that this certainly was not Silva's first time using PEDs.  But without hard evidence from tests or even other fighters anecdotal accusations, we mostly have fan speculation.  Since he was only popped once as an aged fighter who just came back from an extremely discouraging injury, I feel less inclined to make the accusation that he was a chronic cheater.  As opposed to a Vitor Belfort, Chael Sonnen, or a Josh Barnett who got popped more than once throughout their career.

But just to close: fuck PEDs in MMA. Hears to what is hopefully a new era. :cheers:


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Re: Any UFC fans 'round here? [Re: Society]
    #22488792 - 11/06/15 11:11 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Yea I share the same 'fuck PED's' mentality. I hear a lot of football fans make comments like, 'fuck it, let them all be on PED's. It will be more entertaining football.' I'm interested in what natural human beings are capable of, not what science is capable of. What kind of message would that be sending to the youth who idolize these athletes? I have no respect for people like Lance Armstrong, who reveled in the spot light and clung to denial for as long as possible. Even when his own teammates were speaking out, he kept on denying. Then he has the audacity to do that cameo on the movie Dodgeball where he's all like, 'I didn't let cancer stop me from winning 5 Tour de Frances in a row'. That whole situation was despicable and embarrassing for the U.S.

I also think that these PED's are WAY more prevalent then we even think. Just look at the physique of the athletes today and compare them to the athletes of yesteryear. Sure science has made a lot of advancements in weight lifting and muscle building in general, but these 'freaks' that are so common in sports today didn't exist at all back in the day. Someone like Shane Carwin, with his massive size and chiseled physique, is just not natural. People who are that big just don't get that cut without drugs.


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Re: Any UFC fans 'round here? [Re: amp244]
    #22489031 - 11/07/15 01:17 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

personally i too feel they should just let them all use peds, mearly because it extends careers and lets people fight longer which is nice since good people are hard to find, couple more years there's not going to be many big names left in MMA.  all the pride guys are going to be gone soon, sage looks interesting but he is obviously doped out of his mind, his body will change drastically over the next 5-10 years if they keep this testing stuff up.

but the one and only reason i don't want peds legal is because by making it legal it gives them the greenlight, when they get the greenlight its going to turn into a contest of who can mainline the most PED's and not die, which means some will. if i take 1 more shot i might get the belt and be set for life.....that kinda shit.

if they made some kind of device that monitored their levels 24/7 then id say give them a safe limit, let them all take it, rock n roll.


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Re: Any UFC fans 'round here? [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #22489392 - 11/07/15 07:13 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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personally i too feel they should just let them all use peds, mearly because it extends careers and lets people fight longer which is nice since good people are hard to find, couple more years there's not going to be many big names left in MMA.  all the pride guys are going to be gone soon, sage looks interesting but he is obviously doped out of his mind, his body will change drastically over the next 5-10 years if they keep this testing stuff up.

but the one and only reason i don't want peds legal is because by making it legal it gives them the greenlight, when they get the greenlight its going to turn into a contest of who can mainline the most PED's and not die, which means some will. if i take 1 more shot i might get the belt and be set for life.....that kinda shit.

if they made some kind of device that monitored their levels 24/7 then id say give them a safe limit, let them all take it, rock n roll.



I thought you really knew your shit till I saw this post. Won't be any big names in mma? That's ridiculous. The talent is growing insanely fast.
I guarantee sage isn't on any drugs. He's done 5000 push ups and crunches a day since he was a child. He's on that all natural 19 year old testosterone.


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    #22489424 - 11/07/15 07:33 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

it takes alot of buildup to get new big names.  most of the big names out there got their names from different org's because of different rules.  Shogun, wandy, ect they got big because the rules made it easier for brawlers.  we don't have that anymore so its alot harder to showcase that kind of excitment to get a big name.  Also because everyone is getting better that further waters things down because people are far less likely to take risks for fear of getting caught in something.

look at the young big names right now, conner, sage, TJ?, rory?, bones  who the hell else is there? 

weidmen, rockhold, hall, rumble, and all the other major names, are gone.  most of the big names are already gone they are just cashing checks.

as for sage, his dad was a body builder, they are known to dabble in the roids.  he clearly had it in his mind that his kid would be something off of body building, someone in the mindset is most likely going to do a few things to ensure it, put his kid ahead of everyone else.  if you look at all the people who got busted there's 2 things in common, the eyeball test, and the way they explode in the ring.  sure thats not 100% or scientific or anything, but its a pretty good guess.

if you look at conner, sage, ect look at how they are getting their names compared to those in the past.  the old guys got their name from destroying people, this new breed its relying alot more heavy on hype, media, ect.  That makes them much more fragile.  conner loses 2 in a row his shit talking won't matter anymore, it'll take him till he's 35 to build his name back up.  he's got aldo, edgar, and most likely mendes to fight again, he might beat 1 or 2 of them, but he will lose to one of them and his downward spiral begins


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    #22489444 - 11/07/15 07:45 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Rockhold an Jones aren't gone. The super talented guys are so plentiful I can't even begin to name them all. The ufc doesn't decide who's a superstar, they just are. To fans who train/fight themselves, there are tons of big names guys.
It would be hilarious if you ended up being right about sage. Like, his dad was putting protein/steroids slurry in his bottle as a baby.


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