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Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log * 2
    #19376678 - 01/06/14 10:28 AM (10 years, 25 days ago)

I was going to incorporate this into my new year's project, but that grow was so wonderful to me that I figured I'd just make a whole new thread for this one :derfase:

I prepped 11 master jars to test 11 new clones (Oak ridge and john allen strain varieties).

I g2g'd those 11 jars into 11 spawn bags (6 quarts WBS per bag).

These spawn bags colonized for an extra 4-5 days before spawning. I fell behind with new years festivities and a nasty cold :mad:

I dunked-n-spawned these 11 bags into 11 monotubs (about 10 quarts of pasteurized coir/verm/gypsum).

I cased six of these tubs at 100% and put them back to colonizing conditions (1/2" casing layer).


Here they are, patched and fruiting:

Total first flush dry for OR-E2b: 164.6g - getting tossed


Total first flush dry for OR-B2: 148.3g - to the trash


Total first flush dry for JAS-B3: 232g - my favorite of the bunch, lots of beautiful, nicely sized fruits and a huge first flush


Total first flush dry for JAS-C1: 202.3g - also a great fruiter


Total first flush dry for OR-C1: 200.8g - yes please


Total first flush dry for OR-D1b: 181g - pretty fruits, decent yield



I cased two of these tubs at 100% and put them into fruiting conditions (1/4" casing layer).

Total first flush dry for OR-B2: 205.1g - solid fruiter

OR-B2 was harvested at two different times, 12 hours apart:


Total first flush dry for OR-D1a: 205.1g - winner


I waited to see a few pins on the last three tubs and then I late cased those (1/4" casing layer).

Total first flush dry for OR-E2a: 214.5g - Great fruiter




Total first flush dry for D1a: 199.6g - good enough for me


More to come!

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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #19376690 - 01/06/14 10:30 AM (10 years, 25 days ago)

:uhoh:


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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: cronicr]
    #19376694 - 01/06/14 10:32 AM (10 years, 25 days ago)

:wonka:
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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: fatflash]
    #19376700 - 01/06/14 10:34 AM (10 years, 25 days ago)

you so slow

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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: twistedty]
    #19376748 - 01/06/14 10:47 AM (10 years, 25 days ago)

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:uhoh:




It never ends around here :cool:

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you so slow

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It's been a busy holiday season for me :shrug:


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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #19376753 - 01/06/14 10:49 AM (10 years, 25 days ago)

haven't seen ya around much as of late...but iknew you were just keeping busy:cool:
i like the late casing method it worked great for me


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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: cronicr]
    #19376761 - 01/06/14 10:52 AM (10 years, 25 days ago)

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haven't seen ya around much as of late...but iknew you were just keeping busy:cool:




That new years grow really took it out of me, that was so much work. Plus I've been a little social butterfly the last couple months, being newly single again is great fun...and I've got plenty of info up here for people to reference anyhow :wink:

So yeah, I took a break for a while but I'm about to pour some agar this evening. I need to get my lions mane grow started and I have another huge project to attend to for February.


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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #19376877 - 01/06/14 11:22 AM (10 years, 24 days ago)

:popcorn::trollhide:


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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: Enigma1]
    #19376905 - 01/06/14 11:27 AM (10 years, 24 days ago)

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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: cronicr]
    #19376911 - 01/06/14 11:29 AM (10 years, 24 days ago)

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haven't seen ya around much as of late.



Frank, I almost sent you a PM late last night.  Was just concerned that you were ok and that the ferret didn't wreak havoc again!

Good to hear that you are out-and-about.  Go get em tiger.  You have given so many of us great advice you certainly deserve a vacation (from us). 

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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19376929 - 01/06/14 11:32 AM (10 years, 24 days ago)

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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19377044 - 01/06/14 12:02 PM (10 years, 24 days ago)

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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: mudbutt]
    #19377050 - 01/06/14 12:05 PM (10 years, 24 days ago)

What an awesome grow log Frank! I'm excited to see the results of the two late cased tubs. I haven't seen that many. Especially in a side by side comparison. :mushroom2:


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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: HypnotoadCroaked]
    #19378253 - 01/06/14 05:33 PM (10 years, 24 days ago)

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What an awesome grow log Frank! I'm excited to see the results of the two late cased tubs. I haven't seen that many. Especially in a side by side comparison. :mushroom2:




:thanx:

I'm excited myself.

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haven't seen ya around much as of late.



Frank, I almost sent you a PM late last night.  Was just concerned that you were ok and that the ferret didn't wreak havoc again!

Good to hear that you are out-and-about.  Go get em tiger.  You have given so many of us great advice you certainly deserve a vacation (from us). 

"Frank Horrigan:  Expert cultivator and licentious Lady Lover"




:smilingpuppy:

Now there's a tag I can get behind :rofl:

Everything is grand. I'm loving life.

And I think you guys are alright too :crazy2:


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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #19378291 - 01/06/14 05:40 PM (10 years, 24 days ago)

:fuckyeahdance: franks back can't wait too see what comes of this grow.


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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #19379004 - 01/06/14 07:46 PM (10 years, 24 days ago)

:popcorn:

Nice.  I've wanted to try some casings out again, its been awhile.  See how they do with my PE which I'm getting about 2/3 my cultures giving blobs on first flush.

I know your not doing PE on these runs, but I think I saw on your other PE casing thread that it was helping reduce first flush mutants.  Could this maybe be from the increased colonization time from waiting for the casing to colonize? I usually fruit my tubs right when they get to 100%, I wonder if consolidation would end up helping with my mutants at all...

In any case (heh.) i'm monitoring this thread!


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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: CMOS]
    #19379031 - 01/06/14 07:51 PM (10 years, 24 days ago)

This thread is going to be epic, can't wait to read all the upcoming posts from you Frank, thanks for being great inspiration too! =)

Single n' ready to mingle :wink:


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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: CMOS]
    #19379050 - 01/06/14 07:54 PM (10 years, 24 days ago)

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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: KnownPown]
    #19379064 - 01/06/14 07:56 PM (10 years, 24 days ago)

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Single n' ready to mingle :wink:



i don't think frank swings that way:uhoh:


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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: KnownPown]
    #19379067 - 01/06/14 07:56 PM (10 years, 24 days ago)

one of the most active and inspiring users on shroomery. good shit frank


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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: cronicr]
    #19379146 - 01/06/14 08:10 PM (10 years, 24 days ago)

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Quote:

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Single n' ready to mingle :wink:



i don't think frank swings that way:uhoh:




Good one nor do I man, but I know you like thinkin of 2 men tryin to get together :wink: heheh


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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: KnownPown]
    #19379165 - 01/06/14 08:12 PM (10 years, 24 days ago)

you can compare penis envy sizes


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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: cronicr]
    #19379178 - 01/06/14 08:14 PM (10 years, 24 days ago)

I dont envy penises I just B positive +


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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: God Stamet]
    #19379192 - 01/06/14 08:17 PM (10 years, 24 days ago)

mind =  :mindblown:

i notice your labeling system looks stunningly like mine, futzing with isolating strains.  awesome.  feels like i'm actually doing something right.  thanks, frank.  your work is deffo inspiring.


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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: J. Jack Flash]
    #19379639 - 01/06/14 09:47 PM (10 years, 24 days ago)

:popcorn:  :takingnotes:

Just here to watch & learn.

Would I be wrong to assume you're using a 50/50 pete/verm casing?


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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: AllegedCultivator]
    #19379654 - 01/06/14 09:50 PM (10 years, 24 days ago)

Nope, you are correct. It is the same as I wrote about in my casing layer tek.


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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #19379778 - 01/06/14 10:11 PM (10 years, 24 days ago)

:takingnotes:


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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: tripdawg420]
    #19379949 - 01/06/14 10:41 PM (10 years, 24 days ago)



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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #19379982 - 01/06/14 10:48 PM (10 years, 24 days ago)

:ilold:


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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: itsaconspiracy]
    #19384404 - 01/07/14 06:58 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

:bigblunt:


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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: cronicr]
    #19384963 - 01/07/14 08:43 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

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you can compare penis envy sizes




hahahaha love the shroomery family.

Finally a post that can compare casing, late casing and no casing. Thank Frankydawg!

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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: NecroMyce]
    #19386923 - 01/08/14 08:43 AM (10 years, 23 days ago)

What do you possibly do with all of these tubs? This is incredible!


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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: Vox Continental]
    #19386968 - 01/08/14 08:59 AM (10 years, 23 days ago)

this is a cute grow for mr.frank


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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: cronicr]
    #19386992 - 01/08/14 09:10 AM (10 years, 23 days ago)

I knew you'd come through on your casing experiment :popcorn:

You da man Franklin!

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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #19387156 - 01/08/14 09:57 AM (10 years, 23 days ago)

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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #19391309 - 01/08/14 11:57 PM (10 years, 22 days ago)

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I knew you'd come through on your casing experiment :popcorn:





Why would I not? :rofl:



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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #19391315 - 01/08/14 11:59 PM (10 years, 22 days ago)

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Why would I not? :rofl:






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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: twistedty]
    #19391320 - 01/09/14 12:00 AM (10 years, 22 days ago)



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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: twistedty]
    #19391377 - 01/09/14 12:13 AM (10 years, 22 days ago)

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:ilold::lol:

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    #19391387 - 01/09/14 12:15 AM (10 years, 22 days ago)

who is that in your avatar!


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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: twistedty]
    #19391401 - 01/09/14 12:18 AM (10 years, 22 days ago)

OH stop it! :sexymeow:


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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: Josh.0]
    #19391410 - 01/09/14 12:20 AM (10 years, 22 days ago)

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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: Nebojsa]
    #19393620 - 01/09/14 12:52 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: blueconfusion]
    #19394257 - 01/09/14 03:36 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: twistedty]
    #19396456 - 01/09/14 11:12 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: HypnotoadCroaked]
    #19396488 - 01/09/14 11:19 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

:derpyum: my favorite outta the lot!...right?


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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #19404111 - 01/11/14 02:22 PM (10 years, 19 days ago)

Updates!

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Here are the cased and colonized tubs, patched and fruiting:










I cased two of these tubs at 100% and put them into fruiting conditions (1/4" casing layer).




I waited to see a few pins on the last three tubs and then I late cased those (1/4" casing layer).










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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #19404114 - 01/11/14 02:24 PM (10 years, 19 days ago)

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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19404127 - 01/11/14 02:27 PM (10 years, 19 days ago)

I'm extra excited because these are all untested cultures, can't wait to see how they turn out :cool:


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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #19405198 - 01/11/14 06:36 PM (10 years, 19 days ago)

Cool!  :smile:

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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: fahtster]
    #19405300 - 01/11/14 06:58 PM (10 years, 19 days ago)

:hi:

Faht! Good to see you around!

I'm liking the way this lating casing is turning out :awesomenod:


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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #19405312 - 01/11/14 07:03 PM (10 years, 19 days ago)

I also added a few more pics to the OP :thumbup:

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I cased two of these tubs at 100% and put them into fruiting conditions (1/4" casing layer).




I waited to see a few pins on the last three tubs and then I late cased those (1/4" casing layer).











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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #19405459 - 01/11/14 07:39 PM (10 years, 19 days ago)

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I'm extra excited because these are all untested cultures, can't wait to see how they turn out :cool:




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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #19405490 - 01/11/14 07:44 PM (10 years, 19 days ago)

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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: Webster10]
    #19405576 - 01/11/14 08:04 PM (10 years, 19 days ago)

Frank I like the technique of expanding 1 quart jar to a 6-quart bag. 
But all I have is a 13" tall SAB.  What do you use? 
I know flow hoods are advised when using bags, but I'm curious to see how you G2G to bags.
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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: Generic]
    #19405592 - 01/11/14 08:06 PM (10 years, 19 days ago)

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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: magickspore]
    #19406172 - 01/11/14 10:50 PM (10 years, 19 days ago)

yeaaaaa frank!!!

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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: Generic]
    #19407542 - 01/12/14 09:42 AM (10 years, 19 days ago)

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Frank I like the technique of expanding 1 quart jar to a 6-quart bag. 
But all I have is a 13" tall SAB.  What do you use? 
I know flow hoods are advised when using bags, but I'm curious to see how you G2G to bags.
:popcorn:

:heart: Thanks for posting all this stuff




No problem :smile:

I do them in my SAB. Here's my text-only tek, there will be a full one eventually :lol:

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These bags are tall so this posed a problem for me and my still-air box. I had about 80% success working with these in my SAB alone with no tent. The bags would need to be unfolded and held at weird angles and it was really a mess. I would often lose bags when I bumped the lid of the SAB while pouring my master jar in, or worse the grains would spill out on to the floor of the SAB.

So I bought myself a 3' x 3' x 6' grow tent to provide a "still air room" to work inside of. My house is old and shitty, so I put this up in the room with the least amount of drafts and windows.  I make sure to turn off my central air and close any doors or windows in the room.

I do not work inside with the tent sealed. Instead, my chair is positioned halfway in the tent and the door flap rests on the back of the chair.

Obviously, extensive precautions need to be taken here. I shower, wear gloves, sleeves, a cap and a mask. I move as little as possible, using only my wrists whenever possible while working in the SAB. Your sterile procedures need to be on point.

If you're still with me, here is the text-only version of Frank's bag tek :lol:

1) I use large filter patch bags with a .5 micron filter[/url].

2) I prepare approximately 7-8 cups of dry WBS per large filter bag. This comes out to roughly five quarts of hydrated WBS.

3) Once the grains are done steaming in the strainer, I open up my filter bag. You'll need to learn how to fold the bottom of the bag so it comes out fairly flat without a lot of gaps or folds. Once you get that right, load the bag with the WBS.

4) Following RR's procedures I insert a tyvek sleeve into the bag so it is touching or close to the bird seed, with the other end of the sleeve sticking out the top at least a couple inches. I fold this accordion-style (3 folds) and place the bag in my PC, on top of the canning rack.

5) When running multiple bags, you need to prevent the bags themselves from touching the sides of the PC and the other bags. I place rings from jar lids around the bags themselves, 2 on each long side of the bag and more if need be. If stacking the bags, I place a canning rack between them.

6) I put a heavy plate on top of the bags in the PC to keep them from expanding. You want to remember to separate the plate from the bags with either jar rings or another canning rack.

7) I load my AA921s with 4 of these bags each, and PC them for 2 hours @ 15PSI.

8) I let these cool for 12-24 hours. Then I move them up to my tent and go to work breaking up the master jars.

9) While following proper sterile procedures, I take the lid off my SAB and place one bag inside. I wipe down one master jar with an iso-soaked paper towel, then loosen the lid a little and wipe the rim carefully. Then I place it in the SABand leave the lid covered with the iso-soaked paper towel. I wipe down my gloves and the outside of the bag as well.

10) Here's another part that is tricky to explain: you need to pull the tyvek sleeve gently but firmly, while unfolding the bag at the same time. When done right, you will unfold the bag, pull the tyvek sleeve out the top, and work the edges so the bag is completely unfolded and open.

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It's very obvious when you see it but since I have no pics at the moment, I apologize for not being able to describe it better. Suffice to say, it is very important that you are as careful as possible once you begin opening the bag.




11) I pick up the master jar and remove the lid, carefully placing it on the floor of the SAB. I use that hand to pinch one side of the bag (holding it open) and pour in my colonized grain spawn with the other hand.

12) I put the master jar down carefully and using both hands, I fold the top of the bag down three times, about 1-2" per fold. This seals the top pretty well, so I fold it three times inward from each edge, then apply my zip-tie very tightly.

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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #19408179 - 01/12/14 12:36 PM (10 years, 18 days ago)

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:hi:

Faht! Good to see you around!

I'm liking the way this lating casing is turning out :awesomenod:




Yooo... nice to see ya too, pal!  I'm glad you're digging the tek so far... looks like all your tubs (late cased and otherwise) are going to be decent.. no surprise there, I suppose. 

I changed my bulk tek too, so there shouldn't be too much going around about poking holes in bags etc. from now on. :wink:

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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: fahtster] * 1
    #19414642 - 01/13/14 09:42 PM (10 years, 17 days ago)

Frank, so I just wanted to give you my input on how I think things are going/working so far.. The whole idea with late casing is that the sub is left exposed to light through the knotting and briefly through the pinning stage to promote the substrate to switch to knotting/pinning.  And once that has happened, by putting a thin casing over the top, gives those pins and knots a humid environment to develop in while restricting evaporation off the very top of the substrate; this moisture is where those fruits are going to pull from at first (it's the closest moisture they have which makes sense.)  I mean, technically, if you're entire fruiting chamber is the same RH that doesn't apply, but when leaving your upper poly loose to promote air movement in your chambers, evaporation is going to happen; any reduction in that is going to help.  But, you do want to allow your sub to breathe, so an uncolonized casing is going to be optimal.  so it's a bit of a balancing act.  Which brings me to the next point..

With late casing you don't have to worry about your casing material being compromised.  Simply due to the fact that you don't have it exposed to a grow environment at 100% like you have with the tubs above it.  Patching is also something that isn't needed due to the substrate switching from colonizing to fruiting. AND dropping a casing on top of the substrate acts sorta like a light scratching (mind you, I understand the meaning of 'Light' here lol) This leads me into what I want to say next...

I feel (and have felt) that the reason (leaving out the fact that they are untested iso's) your "cased from 100%" tubs are looking better, pin wise, is because you gave your subs something non-nutritious to promote rhizomorphic myc through.  The fact that you mixed your substrate up (again, absolutely nothing wrong with that), but that leaves high nutrient spawn at the top of your substrate; which doesn't promote thick rhizo's that lead to pinning (which is why straight grain substrates left uncased do poorly... depends on the strain variety, I know.)  That's why I think you are seeing better pin sets with the your cased right away tubs... (but will the fruits be smaller in size due to spent energy colonizing the casing?) whether or not the ultimate outcome would be different is yet to be seen, but what I would like to see YOU do.... is test a theory I have.. I've tried to get a few people to do it, but you're one of the people that I trust to do it right...

I want you to do a layer/mix hybrid.  I want you to mix 3/4 of the substrate with spawn like you normally do, but for the last 2 quarts and last layer(you could do more, but for now, just 2), I want you to lay them (the spawn grain) out flat on top of the mixed sub.  Then put about 3/4 inch of just substrate over that.  This is instantly promoting rhizo growth while leaving a very high nutrient layer juuuuust below the surface that the fruits are going to pull from.  AND that "casing" layer you put over the 1/4 inch grain substrate layer (that is acting like a casing put on at 100%) has frocking nutrients in it that are only going to help you.  Then, as the top layer begins to get colonized from the bottom 1/4 inch spawn layer, patch, very lightly... just enough to cover the areas broken through.. just so the rest can catch up due to undeliberate unevenness. 

If you look in my late casing thread you'll see that I did it in conjunction with my bulk thread based on layering.  Many people will say that once a substrate is fully colonized it's a network that all works together... I don't see it that way; BE is logical; it's going to use the nutrients and moisture closest to the fruit it's trying to grow.  water flowing down a hill will always choose the easiest route. 

Then throw a late casing on that sucker and see what it does.

So, please dear sir :smile:  give it a whirl... if it doesn't work... I'll send you a pic of me literally eating my words. :thumbup:

This is in my late casing thread, but I did a side-by-side test of a clone when I posted that late casing thread..



That's three tubs of the same clone, made at the same time... the one on the left is uncased, the middle is late cased, and the one on the right is cased at 100%... they all did close to the same in yield over three flushes, but that middle one is the reason I posted the tek (mind you, I did experiments prior to that that I didn't post for validity.)  (And sometimes esp. during the summer months, time IS of the essence) BUT they were all done with my top layering tek.  And I don't care if I get credit for the top layering tek... I really don't.. I just want to see everyone getting the most out of the time they're putting in... it's the whole reason I started posted at all. (at least nowadays, anyway)

So, whatdya say, Frank, you in?  And I woulda done this years ago, but alas, I had to stop growing. :frown:

:awesomenod:

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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: fahtster]
    #19414716 - 01/13/14 09:55 PM (10 years, 17 days ago)

i fucking love ya faht!:rockon: genius as usual!


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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: cronicr]
    #19414804 - 01/13/14 10:16 PM (10 years, 17 days ago)

nice im gonna upload, i cased 2 non PE tubs and loving the pinset it gave me turning on my heater in my house killed my RH and my pinsets.

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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: cronicr]
    #19414813 - 01/13/14 10:18 PM (10 years, 17 days ago)

sounds interesting. although someone would have to hold a gun to my head to get me to layer again lol.


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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: cronicr]
    #19414901 - 01/13/14 10:36 PM (10 years, 17 days ago)

it's not a total layer.. just the top where the fruits are growing and pulling from.

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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: fahtster]
    #19414937 - 01/13/14 10:43 PM (10 years, 17 days ago)

gotcha. I hope Frank tries it out it sounds like a winner. I would try it if I did mono's


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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: God Stamet]
    #19417404 - 01/14/14 01:34 PM (10 years, 16 days ago)

I'm in faht!

I'll compose a better reply once I get back at the computer, got some stuff to do today, but I wanted to let you know, that's a big "hell yeah i'll try it!"

I have some pics of the first four harvests, two in particular you might find interesting.

I have two tubs with the same isolate that just got harvested today.

They were put together at the same time, same substrate, same amount of spawn, etc etc same everything. 

Except that when I fruited, I put a 1/4" casing on top of one right away. I late cased the other one. There was a significant difference in presentation, yields are yet to be seen but I think they're going to be similar.

When I get home, I'll post pics and make sure I'm clear on the experiment I'm going to be doing :derfase:

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    #19418338 - 01/14/14 05:08 PM (10 years, 16 days ago)

Updates! Four harvests down, seven to go.

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I cased two of these tubs at 100% and put them into fruiting conditions (1/4" casing layer).

Total first flush dry for OR-B2: 205.1g - solid fruiter

OR-B2 was harvested at two different times, 12 hours apart:


Total first flush for OR-D1a:


I waited to see a few pins on the last three tubs and then I late cased those (1/4" casing layer).

Total first flush dry for OR-E2a: 214.5g - Great fruiter


Total first flush dry for D1a:






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I want you to do a layer/mix hybrid.  I want you to mix 3/4 of the substrate with spawn like you normally do, but for the last 2 quarts and last layer(you could do more, but for now, just 2), I want you to lay them (the spawn grain) out flat on top of the mixed sub.  Then put about 3/4 inch of just substrate over that.  This is instantly promoting rhizo growth while leaving a very high nutrient layer juuuuust below the surface that the fruits are going to pull from.  AND that "casing" layer you put over the 1/4 inch grain substrate layer (that is acting like a casing put on at 100%) has frocking nutrients in it that are only going to help you.  Then, as the top layer begins to get colonized from the bottom 1/4 inch spawn layer, patch, very lightly... just enough to cover the areas broken through.. just so the rest can catch up due to undeliberate unevenness.




I'll do it, and I'll run a few of the same isolate under the different casing conditions I've done in this thread for comparison. Sound good? I got some dishes colonizing for the next project, it's gonna be february before results start rolling in. But I'll make a thread and send you a PM faht :thumbup:

edit: Also faht, take a look at the difference between the two D1a's above. The difference is pretty striking, I am looking forward to weighing it tomorrow.

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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #19418404 - 01/14/14 05:19 PM (10 years, 16 days ago)

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I'll do it, and I'll run a few of the same isolate under the different casing conditions I've done in this thread for comparison. Sound good? I got some dishes colonizing for the next project, it's gonna be february before results start rolling in. But I'll make a thread and send you a PM faht :thumbup:




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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #19418420 - 01/14/14 05:22 PM (10 years, 16 days ago)

I noticed that you cut some of the caps off. Do you do that so they won't drop spores while the others catch up or were you making prints?


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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: Stuey1]
    #19418438 - 01/14/14 05:25 PM (10 years, 16 days ago)

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I noticed that you cut some of the caps off. Do you do that so they won't drop spores while the others catch up or were you making prints?




Both, but if I don't need prints, I decapitate them to prevent a mess of spores like you said :thumbup:

If they don't all pop off at once, IME (with isolates) it usually only need 4-12 hours after the first ones pop their veil.


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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: Stuey1]
    #19418466 - 01/14/14 05:29 PM (10 years, 16 days ago)

nice and level casings

just so many tubs, good you finally got a martha ;-P

preparing tubs can be a lot of work sometimes if many tubs
defintely hope to get a martha one day too

not sure I would spend time on casing personally, so much work, and hard to find ingredients
only know where to get coir
and coir performs very well alone usually

maybe if I suddenly fall over all the ingredients at once

but I will be trying wormcastings+coir soon, might be beneficial to phadjust that somehow
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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: lessismore]
    #19418480 - 01/14/14 05:31 PM (10 years, 16 days ago)

I'll keep that in mind here in about a week. Thanks


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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: Stuey1]
    #19418805 - 01/14/14 06:25 PM (10 years, 16 days ago)

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I'll do it, and I'll run a few of the same isolate under the different casing conditions I've done in this thread for comparison. Sound good? I got some dishes colonizing for the next project, it's gonna be february before results start rolling in. But I'll make a thread and send you a PM faht :thumbup:

edit: Also faht, take a look at the difference between the two D1a's above. The difference is pretty striking, I am looking forward to weighing it tomorrow.

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Sounds wonderful, Frank! :smile:  I'm looking forward to living vicariously through your hard work. hahaha. Awesome work as per usual!
Yeah, definitely a thicker pin set with that cased early tub.  But looks like you got some monsters with that late cased tub.. The weight comparisons will be nice to see. :thumbup:

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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: fahtster]
    #19418833 - 01/14/14 06:30 PM (10 years, 16 days ago)

wow, man, watching this thread evolve is like a crash course in documentary photo essay.  good work.


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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: J. Jack Flash]
    #19418975 - 01/14/14 06:53 PM (10 years, 16 days ago)

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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: Southcoastshrooms]
    #19418999 - 01/14/14 06:57 PM (10 years, 16 days ago)

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what is this so many shrooms haha how do u grow like this




Best signature EVER. +5 for you!

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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #19419006 - 01/14/14 06:58 PM (10 years, 16 days ago)

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what is this so many shrooms haha how do u grow like this




Best signature EVER. +5 for you!

And I dunno. Lots of practice and failures :cool:



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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: cronicr]
    #19419183 - 01/14/14 07:28 PM (10 years, 16 days ago)

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i fucking love ya faht!:rockon: genius as usual!




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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #19425275 - 01/15/14 10:21 PM (10 years, 15 days ago)

Updates!

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I cased two of these tubs at 100% and put them into fruiting conditions (1/4" casing layer).

Total first flush dry for OR-D1a: 205.1g - winner


I waited to see a few pins on the last three tubs and then I late cased those (1/4" casing layer).

Total first flush dry for D1a: 199.6g - good enough for me






Here's the weight, the last cased tub was a mere 6g short the other tub.  Pretty much the same weight with different fruit presentation :thumbup:

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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #19425724 - 01/16/14 12:16 AM (10 years, 15 days ago)

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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: twistedty]
    #19425739 - 01/16/14 12:21 AM (10 years, 15 days ago)

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fuckin roadhouse




Um, excuse me?











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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: twistedty]
    #19425816 - 01/16/14 12:47 AM (10 years, 15 days ago)

:lmafo:

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    #19425877 - 01/16/14 01:06 AM (10 years, 15 days ago)

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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: twistedty]
    #19425888 - 01/16/14 01:10 AM (10 years, 15 days ago)

Bet you thought that spoiler was the gif :hehehe:


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Bet you thought that spoiler was the gif :hehehe:




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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: twistedty]
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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: twistedty]
    #19426742 - 01/16/14 08:38 AM (10 years, 15 days ago)

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    #19428711 - 01/16/14 03:30 PM (10 years, 14 days ago)

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    #19428731 - 01/16/14 03:35 PM (10 years, 14 days ago)

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    #19429203 - 01/16/14 05:07 PM (10 years, 14 days ago)

:lmafo: sorry Franklin!


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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #19432885 - 01/17/14 11:45 AM (10 years, 13 days ago)

Updates :derfase:

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Here they are, patched and fruiting:
















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    #19433394 - 01/17/14 02:09 PM (10 years, 13 days ago)

Nice man! :smile: that is damn close.  :thumbup:

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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: fahtster]
    #19439760 - 01/18/14 08:56 PM (10 years, 12 days ago)

And, nice... it looks like you are getting really nice pin sets out of casing early.. it only gives me hope that when you do the experiment (and I'm really grateful that you are giving it a whirly-bird) I asked you to, you'll get the same reaction out of your high nute layer due to allowance for rhizomorphic growth from the low nute layer put on top (esp. if you're using coir... that shit LOVES to make pins).  I'm like a fucking fire, bruv... I'm stoked! :smile: I really am appreciative of you taking on my request, sir.  I know you'll do it justice... carry on.

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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: fahtster]
    #19450568 - 01/20/14 11:33 PM (10 years, 10 days ago)

Believe :awesomenod:

Here's some updates from tonight, harvests have been ongoing.

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    #19450990 - 01/21/14 01:07 AM (10 years, 10 days ago)

That picture with the veils that has just began to tear is amazing Frank. Awesome job as always. Very inspiring.


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    #19453646 - 01/21/14 04:23 PM (10 years, 9 days ago)

Nice Flush Frank:thumbup:




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    #19454767 - 01/21/14 08:30 PM (10 years, 9 days ago)

believe me, nothing would give me more pleasure... But this cat only has one life left and it doesn't involve growing.  I'll have to settle for a vicarious slideshow... I'll take it. :awesomenod:  My only regret is that I didn't meet more of you fine folks in 3D. 2D has its limits, but again, I'll take it.  I have no plans on going anywhere.. though I feel limited in my capabilities to guide in a community that is ever expanding and improving itself.. those feelings are curbed being that the true spirit of the community IS expansion and growth.. quite literally.  So, no, you won't see me grow again, but I'll always be a pm away. :smile:

EDIT: but back to the topic at hand... that OR you have, Frank, is pretty damn stellar. :thumbup:  side note: there are definitely some people that are going to say, well... casings are unneeded with cubes... where are the uncased tubs?  Sure, cased and late-cased tubs did close to the same, but where are their uncased counterparts?  Not to throw a wrench in the monkey, but you know some people are thinking that.. Any comment?  I know you usually go uncased... so, I'm curious what you have to say about that.

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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: fahtster]
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is 200 dried grams typical from a monotub?


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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: mikemush]
    #19454953 - 01/21/14 09:16 PM (10 years, 9 days ago)

If you know what you're doing, yes.  Knowing what you're doing includes things like, using a proven isolate/clone... following a known-to-work guide.  If it's your first monotub you should expect nothing short of a learning experience.  Nothing is a "sure thing" in this hobby... nothing should be viewed as a replacement for experience.  Your vectors might be different than someone else's.

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there are definitely some people that are going to say, well... casings are unneeded with cubes... where are the uncased tubs?  Sure, cased and late-cased tubs did close to the same, but where are their uncased counterparts?  Not to throw a wrench in the monkey, but you know some people are thinking that.. Any comment?  I know you usually go uncased... so, I'm curious what you have to say about that.

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I have only limited experience in the areas you are pointing out.  I came here after success with species that require casings (portabello), and continued this process with cubes.  After a short stint of research I found that A) Casings are not required for cubes (per most users) and that B) No one could find a negative reason to use a casing.  I have done 1 tub without casing, and I won't be revisiting that idea. 

I am one-sided in the debate, but I think that success is defined earlier than the spawn is mixed with bulk.  I am happy with my cased grow, no different than anyone can be happy with their uncased grows.  I have been nothing but glad to see great people like Frank delve into things that have been "unnecessary", and proving that they may be beneficial.

There is a certain bent notion that floats that "a cube is a cube" and that "casings are unnecessary" and it thrills me to no end when discoveries are made that certain "strains" certainly benefit from a simple late case.

Frank certainly deserves credit for pushing this research to the forefront.  Hopefully the days of "mutated blobs" can be behind us all now.


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Vectors?




vectors are a point of insecurity in our field.  the lid to your jar is a vector... the humidity in your grow area is a vector.  the amount of time you are able to attend to your grow is a vector... the supplies you have at your disposal are a vector and so on.  Each grower is different.

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there are definitely some people that are going to say, well... casings are unneeded with cubes... where are the uncased tubs?  Sure, cased and late-cased tubs did close to the same, but where are their uncased counterparts?  Not to throw a wrench in the monkey, but you know some people are thinking that.. Any comment?  I know you usually go uncased... so, I'm curious what you have to say about that.

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I have only limited experience in the areas you are pointing out.  I came here after success with species that require casings (portabello), and continued this process with cubes.  After a short stint of research I found that A) Casings are not required for cubes (per most users) and that B) No one could find a negative reason to use a casing.  I have done 1 tub without casing, and I won't be revisiting that idea. 

I am one-sided in the debate, but I think that success is defined earlier than the spawn is mixed with bulk.  I am happy with my cased grow, no different than anyone can be happy with their uncased grows.  I have been nothing but glad to see great people like Frank delve into things that have been "unnecessary", and proving that they may be beneficial.

There is a certain bent notion that floats that "a cube is a cube" and that "casings are unnecessary" and it thrills me to no end when discoveries are made that certain "strains" certainly benefit from a simple late case.

Frank certainly deserves credit for pushing this research to the forefront.  Hopefully the days of "mutated blobs" can be behind us all now.




I completely agree... I'm definitely not on the "a cube is a cube" train.. I highly disagree... each cube was developed naturally given their environment and thus required that developed environment to prosper.  But alas somehow that's hard to see.  Unlike the "a cube is a cube" theory, I think Frank will get/getting his dues. :wink:

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    #19455094 - 01/21/14 09:53 PM (10 years, 9 days ago)

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I completely agree... I'm definitely not on the "a cube is a cube" train.. I highly disagree... each cube was developed naturally given their environment and thus required that developed environment to prosper.  But alas somehow that's hard to see.  Unlike the "a cube is a cube" theory, I think Frank will get his dues. :wink:

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I rarely state it, but I agree 100% that a cube is a cube in the sense of cultivation.  However I have seen enough "varieties" to realize that there are simple and small nuances to each.  You are absolutely correct in thinking that there was/is evolution at play between differing varieties, thought the differences are small that most simply don't notice, or blame the agar/genes.  Cubes are MOSTLY the same in appearance, but the same in conditions and microscopically.  IMHO it is no different than a dog AKA "Canis lupus"...300 years ago they all looked the same.  Then we started fucking with breeding etc...now we have all sorts of dogs, most of which are totally worthless.


Frank certainly deserves credit for pushing the casing issue.  I think there is more at work with a casing layer than what most of us understand.  Its still odd to me that some species of mushrooms absolutely require it, while others "is not necessary".


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    #19455174 - 01/21/14 10:13 PM (10 years, 9 days ago)

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    #19458206 - 01/22/14 03:44 PM (10 years, 8 days ago)

good to here you'll always still be around faht.

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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: Yuri.Pono]
    #19464322 - 01/23/14 07:30 PM (10 years, 7 days ago)

She's a really good woman though. Not to mention I've pushed my luck far beyond what most would've been allowed (it feels that way anyhow.) so I might as well get out when the gettin' is good. :wink:

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    #19466528 - 01/24/14 08:24 AM (10 years, 7 days ago)

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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #19467364 - 01/24/14 12:21 PM (10 years, 6 days ago)

First flushes are complete, second flushes are being harvested as well!

Here's the updates:

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Here they are, patched and fruiting:

Total first flush dry for OR-E2b: 164.6g - getting tossed


Total first flush dry for OR-B2: 148.3g - to the trash


Total first flush dry for JAS-B3: 232g - my favorite of the bunch, lots of beautiful, nicely sized fruits and a huge first flush


Total first flush dry for JAS-C1: 202.3g - also a great fruiter


Total first flush dry for OR-C1: 200.8g - yes please


Total first flush dry for OR-D1b: 181g - pretty fruits, decent yield






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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #19468452 - 01/24/14 04:37 PM (10 years, 6 days ago)

Wow it must be nice being able to have such high standards. I can't wait till I'm there.

Great job:thumbup:, your work is inspirational. Can't wait to see what you got planned next.


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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: HypnotoadCroaked]
    #19493817 - 01/29/14 09:15 PM (10 years, 1 day ago)

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I completely agree... I'm definitely not on the "a cube is a cube" train.. I highly disagree... each cube was developed naturally given their environment and thus required that developed environment to prosper.  But alas somehow that's hard to see.  Unlike the "a cube is a cube" theory, I think Frank will get his dues. :wink:

faht



I rarely state it, but I agree 100% that a cube is a cube in the sense of cultivation.  However I have seen enough "varieties" to realize that there are simple and small nuances to each.  You are absolutely correct in thinking that there was/is evolution at play between differing varieties, thought the differences are small that most simply don't notice, or blame the agar/genes.  Cubes are MOSTLY the same in appearance, but the same in conditions and microscopically.  IMHO it is no different than a dog AKA "Canis lupus"...300 years ago they all looked the same.  Then we started fucking with breeding etc...now we have all sorts of dogs, most of which are totally worthless.


Frank certainly deserves credit for pushing the casing issue.  I think there is more at work with a casing layer than what most of us understand.  Its still odd to me that some species of mushrooms absolutely require it, while others "is not necessary".




Not to push this off topic too much, Frank, but I'd like to respond.  Yes, I agree, you are 100% correct in the "a cube is a cube" diagnostic for cultivation, but I see it used too loosely when a grower asks, "I'd like a fast pinning and short stature cube... which variety should I go with?"  And there's an immediate response, "a cube is a cube."  I don't see that as an appropriate response.  There is a definite difference between a Texan cube and a South American cube; in at least as much as their physiology (given their environment as stated before.)  That's where my belief stands anyway... Or I could be crazy... That's always an option.  :thumbup:

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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: fahtster]
    #19494116 - 01/29/14 10:23 PM (10 years, 1 day ago)

â—¾A cube is a cube is what we tell new cultivators to avoid confusion...mainly because it really doesn't make much difference if they grow B+ or treasure coast when they are shooting spores into half-pint jars :shrug:


Quoted from frank.^^

I agree with you exactly I find its very hard to believe that different climates of origin don't have an impact on physical traits when grown correctly. On the other hand when I hear "This is my first grow what strain (variety) should I get blah blah?"

I'm inclined to answer with "a cube is a cube" because they will probably mess something up altering its "pre-disposition" Also we can grow them to look pretty much however we want. Whether thru isolation etc. or environmental conditions.


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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: magickspore]
    #19495767 - 01/30/14 10:24 AM (10 years, 1 day ago)

a cube IS a cube, but let's face it, different sub strains look and act differently. I always thought "a cube is a cube" response was lazy. yes they're all from the same kingdom, but different sub strains perform differently. it's like saying "a human is a human" when a white guy asks what a black guy is lol


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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: God Stamet]
    #19496341 - 01/30/14 01:09 PM (10 years, 22 hours ago)

i always state that a cube is a cube when it comes to growing conditions, i don't deny the diff and work put into some of the variety's


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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: cronicr]
    #19522962 - 02/04/14 10:21 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: cronicr]
    #19530582 - 02/06/14 01:24 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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Not to push this off topic too much, Frank, but I'd like to respond.  Yes, I agree, you are 100% correct in the "a cube is a cube" diagnostic for cultivation, but I see it used too loosely when a grower asks, "I'd like a fast pinning and short stature cube... which variety should I go with?"  And there's an immediate response, "a cube is a cube."  I don't see that as an appropriate response.  There is a definite difference between a Texan cube and a South American cube; in at least as much as their physiology (given their environment as stated before.)  That's where my belief stands anyway... Or I could be crazy... That's always an option.  :thumbup:

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I agree with you faht. For example, my john allen varieties and my oak ridge varieties have very different timeframes for colonizing, fruiting, sporulating, and also different macro presentation. But they all require the same stuff for cultivation, like you and GS and cronic said.

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where ya at frank!




Busy!

My oysters are colonizing at an incredible pace, I've been having trouble keeping up with everything! The next set of 12 cube masters is about to move to bags this weekend and another 12 are being knocked up in short order. I'll be making a log for that soon and here is the log for my gourmets if you're interested in taking a gander :awesomenod:

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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #19565393 - 02/14/14 09:18 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

{cheekily asks}  Are you going to do a TEK on late casing Frank styley?


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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: Edmunter]
    #19565422 - 02/14/14 09:23 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

franks got two turntables and a microphone!!!  WHERE ITS AT!!


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    #19565550 - 02/14/14 09:52 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: God Stamet]
    #20168090 - 06/22/14 12:04 PM (9 years, 7 months ago)

Sweet tubs Frank!  When do ya givem fae?  I thought ya waited till the casing is fully colonized, and then introduce fae but from your pics it looks like their fruiting before the casing layer is fully colonized.  Im doin kinda the same thing with coco/verm and 4 tubs at a time.


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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: Hairlesscaveape]
    #20168646 - 06/22/14 02:45 PM (9 years, 7 months ago)

you fruit when your casing is at about 30% not when it's full colonized


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    #20168709 - 06/22/14 02:59 PM (9 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks Cronicr!  I really needed to know that.  Just a few more posts and I'l be able to give rep!


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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: Hairlesscaveape]
    #20168718 - 06/22/14 03:01 PM (9 years, 7 months ago)

no problem! frank hasn't been around much lately he's on break... a well earned one i may add lol. so i hope he don't mind us helping his threads out:wink:


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