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Edmunter
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Coco peat coir used as casing?
#19376623 - 01/06/14 10:11 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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cronicr



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Re: Coco peat coir used as casing? [Re: Edmunter]
#19376627 - 01/06/14 10:12 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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you can use coir for a casing material
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Re: Coco peat coir used as casing? [Re: Edmunter]
#19376630 - 01/06/14 10:12 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Coco coir is great as a casing material, especially mixed with vermiculite or perlite. Works as a substrate as well, if you have nothing else.
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Re: Coco peat coir used as casing? [Re: Tangich]
#19376637 - 01/06/14 10:16 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Coir can work well as either. If you're growing Cubes though I'd forget about casing them and use it as bulk.
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Re: Coco peat coir used as casing? [Re: Tangich]
#19376642 - 01/06/14 10:17 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Coco peat coir used as casing? [Re: Tangich]
#19376648 - 01/06/14 10:18 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Tangich said: Coco coir is great as a casing material, especially mixed with vermiculite or perlite. Works as a substrate as well, if you have nothing else.
Until someone proves this with consistent grows I think coir is NOT a good casing and IS a good sub.
If you can't find peat moss and you absolutely need a casing look into bubble wrap or wax paper. There are a few alternatives to a peat CASING.
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Re: Coco peat coir used as casing? [Re: magickspore] 1
#19376655 - 01/06/14 10:19 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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lol i and many others had used it for years and some like it better then peat
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Re: Coco peat coir used as casing? [Re: magickspore]
#19376667 - 01/06/14 10:25 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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magickspore said:
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Tangich said: Coco coir is great as a casing material, especially mixed with vermiculite or perlite. Works as a substrate as well, if you have nothing else.
Until someone proves this with consistent grows I think coir is NOT a good casing and IS a good sub.
If you can't find peat moss and you absolutely need a casing look into bubble wrap or wax paper. There are a few alternatives to a peat CASING.
People have been growing with coir casing for years, very successfully, before someone came out and said 'coir is rubbish and peat is the only thing to use', and everybody started parroting it.  Peat is a horrible material IME, but I mainly use it in gardening capacity, when I absolutely have to. And coir is great for that as well. And nothing beats horse manure for P. cubensis as a substrate, it's naturally preferred substrate for thousands of years, with some water retaining material added to make it even better.
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Re: Coco peat coir used as casing? [Re: Tangich]
#19376672 - 01/06/14 10:27 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Tangich said:
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magickspore said:
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Tangich said: Coco coir is great as a casing material, especially mixed with vermiculite or perlite. Works as a substrate as well, if you have nothing else.
Until someone proves this with consistent grows I think coir is NOT a good casing and IS a good sub.
If you can't find peat moss and you absolutely need a casing look into bubble wrap or wax paper. There are a few alternatives to a peat CASING.
People have been growing with coir casing for years, very successfully, before someone came out and said 'coir is rubbish and peat is the only thing to use', and everybody started parroting it.  Peat is a horrible material IME, but I mainly use it in gardening capacity, when I absolutely have to. And coir is great for that as well. And nothing beats horse manure for P. cubensis as a substrate, it's naturally preferred substrate for thousands of years, with some water retaining material added to mae it even better.
AMEN BRUTHA lol
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Re: Coco peat coir used as casing? [Re: magickspore]
#19376679 - 01/06/14 10:29 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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magickspore said: Until someone proves this with consistent grows I think coir is NOT a good casing and IS a good sub.
I wish my last post came after yours.
Here something that I found out the other week via Roger Rabbit:
He stated that SPORES (All of them) will not germinate on coir. There is no proven reason why.
Logically:
A coir/verm casing will be colonized by the end of the first flush, no different than a peat/verm casing. There is a claim that "peat" is non-nutritive, but spores of all kinds will germinate and spread on it just as fast as horse poo and straw.
I started a test on this a month ago, and my tub is still clean....whereas my "neighborhood" is polluted with spores (I live in the middle of the woods). This is the longest I have had a tub in fruiting without contamination in 8 months. I directly attribute that with the change to coir/verm
http://www.shroomery.org/55/60-40-Vermiculite-and-Coco-Coir-Casing-Tek
Theory:
Obliviously as mycelium breaks the coir down, it becomes part of the mushroom...when the mushroom weakens IT becomes infected, not the substrate. Casing IMHO is less related to nutritional benefits. Casing is a verb. It is a process that produces the micro environment for pinning. Obviously you want to use a less than nutritious casing layer, but most of us agree that coir is really not all that nutritious. It can sit out for months without any growth whatsoever.
Magicspore: I consider it proven, and I highly recommend that you try and observe.
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Tangich said: People have been growing with coir casing for years, very successfully, before someone came out and said 'coir is rubbish and peat is the only thing to use
If you dig deep enough the info you are stating is actually on this web site. I did vast research on this and there is a 10 year old thread on this site where you can see the shift from using coir as a "casing" to the discovery that it made just as good a bulk as straw and h-poo. All the big players of this site had a hand in that thread.
If I find it, Ill edit and add it here.
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Re: Coco peat coir used as casing? [Re: cronicr]
#19376709 - 01/06/14 10:37 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I guess it depends on what you consider a good. It holds quite a bit of moisture, is resistant to contamination, and mushrooms that require a casing layer will fruit on it.
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Re: Coco peat coir used as casing? [Re: Kizzle]
#19376718 - 01/06/14 10:39 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Kizzle said: I guess it depends on what you consider a good. It holds quite a bit of moisture, is resistant to contamination, and mushrooms that require a casing layer will fruit on it.
thats what your looking for in a casing material lol, something to give you 100% humidity on the surface thats not gonna trich out on ya
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Re: Coco peat coir used as casing? [Re: Kizzle]
#19376728 - 01/06/14 10:43 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Has anyone had success with wax paper and is there a thread /Tek for that u can recommend.
Or at least a comparison between wax paper and bubble wrap.
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Re: Coco peat coir used as casing? [Re: Edmunter]
#19376733 - 01/06/14 10:44 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Im fruiting in a shot gun atm, hopefully moving to monotub soon, but can wax paper be used in this?
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Re: Coco peat coir used as casing? [Re: Edmunter]
#19376740 - 01/06/14 10:46 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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wrinkle up the wax paper, no diffrent from the bubble wrap
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Re: Coco peat coir used as casing? [Re: cronicr]
#19376746 - 01/06/14 10:47 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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or just get proper fruiting conditions and neither will be needed i use those when i don't wanna use a fruiting chamber
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Re: Coco peat coir used as casing? [Re: cronicr]
#19376825 - 01/06/14 11:10 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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So Im running my sgfc at 99% humidity. I thought the reason for the casing layer was to keep the moisture in. Explain how I wuld fruit from rye seed with no casing layer if u have time.
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Re: Coco peat coir used as casing? [Re: Edmunter]
#19376843 - 01/06/14 11:15 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Either mix it with coir/vermiculite, or case with coir/vermiculite. Rye seed alone will not fruit, or at least won't produce anything more than a few pathetic mushrooms.
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Re: Coco peat coir used as casing? [Re: Tangich]
#19376864 - 01/06/14 11:19 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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so use as a substrate in this case and not a casing layer?
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Re: Coco peat coir used as casing? [Re: Tangich]
#19376869 - 01/06/14 11:20 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Edmunter said: So Im running my sgfc at 99% humidity. I thought the reason for the casing layer was to keep the moisture in. Explain how I wuld fruit from rye seed with no casing layer if u have time.
i was just talking about the bubble wrap or wax paper but your best bet would be
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Tangich said: Either mix it with coir/vermiculite, or case with coir/vermiculite. Rye seed alone will not fruit, or at least won't produce anything more than a few pathetic mushrooms.
you can search up the rez effect as well but i would use the coir verm as a bulk sub for sure
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