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hookahhead
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XLSCG / Soil VS. "Dirt" myth 7
#19375632 - 01/06/14 02:23 AM (10 years, 25 days ago) |
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Im Hookahhead. some know me some dont...............
throughout all forums, there is a commonly held "myth", that living soil grafts are "dirt graphs"
its a lie. plain and simple. Living soil grafts, as seen in XLSCG treads, are essentially the same as a fully hydrated and natural for strength!
Mention the word "Dirt" around any passionate soil scientist and you will receive harsh criticisms. Luckily, I am not a soil scientist, but that does not mean I am not Passionate and Educated.
presented is my XLSCG. (extreme living soil container garden) based on my previous Dirt In Containers work "Project DiCHead". it requires its own thread.
its rather simple and direct. observe.

ya want to kill off Hookah? Show the benefits of your method without all of the bullshit. ill die of a heart attack.
no one knows it all, never claimed i did. i do know my soil though. therefore, i am the standing experty in soil grafting, till proven otherwise.
In the new age, we will rediscover the many benefits of Living Soil and Loving Each other.
see it here, and no where else.
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery 
More information is coming soon...stay tuned.
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"Nothing New" "Willkommen im EthnoGarten" "Don't Be a Backeberg" "Mites and Mealy Bugs" "The Heart and the Sun"
If someone doesn't want your LIGHT, shine it some where else. Everyday there are people who LOVE, ACCEPT, and LOOK FORWARD to making CONTACT with you. YOU are capable of GREAT THINGS even if you feel neglected or mistreated in OUR current SPACE. Change your ways, change our WORLD, there is SAFTEY in NUMBERS. Welcome to the PRESENT. ~ 144,000 Anonymous Voices “Call it a clan, call it a network, call it a tribe, call it a family: Whatever you call it, whoever you are, you need one. [NOW]” - Jane Howard
Edited by hookahhead (01/07/14 01:17 AM)
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hookahhead
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Test 1: When you Etreme Living Soil Container Garden, simply tending to your plants get's you high. Dirt, Hydro and Bog gardens do not share this benefit though, only XLSCG can provide the magic.
  
"M. vaccae, a living creature that resides in your backyard compost pile, acts like a mind-altering drug once it enters the human body, functioning like antidepressant pills to boost your mood.
I'm holding a bowl of dirt up to my nose, in hopes of getting high on the fumes of my backyard compost pile. The microbe that I'm after today is M. vaccae, a living creature that acts like a mind-altering drug once it enters the human body. It has been shown to boost the levels of serotonin and norepinephrine circulating in the systems of both humans and mice. In other words, it works in much the same manner as antidepressant pills. And yes, it is possible to dose yourself by simply breathing in the smell of good dirt.
The drug-like effects of this soil bacteria were discovered, quite by accident, about a decade ago. A doctor named Mary O'Brien created a serum out of the bacteria and gave it to lung-cancer patients, in hopes that it might boost their immune systems. Instead, she noticed another effect: The hospital patients perked up. They reported feeling happier and suffered from less pain than the patients who did not receive doses of bacteria. Further studies in mice confirmed the mood-boosting effect of the soil bugs.
So now I'm poking at the dirt in this dish, trying to release as much of the M. vaccae as I can. The compost looks like chocolate cake -- it's a rich brown-black color, and it holds together with that same kind of moistness that we love in baked goods. I'm eager for something to make me feel jaunty on this winter day. Outside, the sky glimmers a dim, silver-gray -- it's filled with clouds that Virginia Woolf would have described as "implacable." I have always been sensitive to such days. The dishwater light trickles through the window and infects me with malaise.
As I huff the soil, I have no way of knowing exactly how much M. vaccae is floating into my lungs -- or whether it's enough to change my mind. But I can sure smell this compost. The odor hits like a punch and triggers a memory: I recall a day in Western Massachusetts on a friend's farm, turning earth with a pitchfork. Dried mud extended up my arms, like a pair of long-sleeved gloves, as if I were dressed for a gala event with forest-fairies. I felt dazzled that day, boozed up on sunshine, and in love with the potatoes I'd just dug out of the soil.
That same smell hovers over this dish now -- a sexy, outdoorsy tang. It's an odor produced by microbes in the soil as they break down plants. Scientists call it "geosmin," this dirt smell that lends the earthy taste to beets and carrots. It's the flavor of life.
Cooks have another own word for it. "Terroir" is what makes a loaf of sourdough from San Francisco taste so different from its cousin in Bordeaux. The regional microbes, in the soil and air, impart their particular notes to the bread. You can taste terroir in your wine, your cheese, and even your chocolate -- all of which are produced with the help of specialized bacterias that can vary from town to town.
This soil in the bowl is redolent with my own particular terroir. It is made from the apples that plummeted to the ground in our backyard. It contains, too, a sweetening of ashes from our wood stove. It is the smell of an unfolding revolution in microbiology. New tools -- like desktop gene sequencers -- allow scientists to read a sample of soil and find every species of microbe inside it. This is science that you can smell and taste. And sometimes, you can get high on it too."
http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2012/01/how-to-get-high-on-soil/251935/
Edited by hookahhead (01/06/14 11:22 AM)
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Yey, finally someone separate "dirt" and "soil"
There are my first ever graft, I have used pumicide, rocks, soil, and perlite:
There is probably koehresii as scion, my first ever succeed pereskiopsis graft..
 Saved this loph from root rot.
 You bring up good point about bacteria and micro organisms in soil! And benefits from it to plants.. Soil is indeed a living organism, happy you bring that point up.
Can I update my graft in the picture there and show how it grow?
It's my first ever done graft to pereskiopsis stock. Or is that same tek to your's?
Sorry english isn't my native language so I want to ask what means XLSCG.. Is it just "root stock in soil" or something?
Edited by intelligentlife (01/06/14 04:33 AM)
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hookahhead
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Test 2: Lush Leaves VS. Stick in the Mud. "Leaves are the food making factories of green plants. Leaves come in many different shapes and sizes. Leaves can be simple. They are made of a single leaf blade connected by a petiole to the stem. An oak leaf or a maple leaf are examples. A compound leaf is a leaf made up of separate leaflets attached by a petiole to the stem like an ash or a locust.
Leaves are made to catch light (larger surface area) and have openings to allow water and air to come and go. The outer surface of the leaf has a waxy coating called a cuticle which protects the leaf. Veins carry water and nutrients within the leaf.
Leaves are the site of the food making process called photosynthesis. In this process, carbon dioxide and water in the presence of chlorophyll (the green pigment) and light energy are changed into glucose (a sugar). This energy rich sugar is the source of food used by most plants.
Photosynthesis is unique to green plants! Photosynthesis supplies food for the plant and oxygen for other forms of life. A green plant helped make the oxygen you are breathing today"
http://urbanext.illinois.edu/gpe/case1/c1facts2c.html
The process of "Transpiration", is a large contributing factor to water movement through a plant. A plant transpires through it's leaves.
http://passel.unl.edu/pages/informationmodule.php?idinformationmodule=1092853841&topicorder=1&maxto=8&minto=1
Leaves-2, Mudsticks 0
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If someone doesn't want your LIGHT, shine it some where else. Everyday there are people who LOVE, ACCEPT, and LOOK FORWARD to making CONTACT with you. YOU are capable of GREAT THINGS even if you feel neglected or mistreated in OUR current SPACE. Change your ways, change our WORLD, there is SAFTEY in NUMBERS. Welcome to the PRESENT. ~ 144,000 Anonymous Voices “Call it a clan, call it a network, call it a tribe, call it a family: Whatever you call it, whoever you are, you need one. [NOW]” - Jane Howard
Edited by hookahhead (01/06/14 04:49 AM)
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intelligentlife
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I would have left foliage to pereskiopsis, but it was like that when I done graft. No need to explain me photosynthesis, I have not purposely taken foliage off from stock, it was without foliage when I received pereskiopsis cuttings in mail. I have other pereskiopsis grafts where stocks have foliage because they're new growth.
However, it's totally accident this graft even it's alive.
I have new grafts coming, they have foliage in root stock, I know they're effective trough photosynthesis.. I just meant to ask do your tek means stock plant have foliage?
Anyway, Story behind my graft is basically silly and not proper way done graft..
I find root rotten loph, this pereskiopsis was in the soil waiting to pup out new growth but I had nothing where to graft my loph so I used kitchen knife to cut woody pereskiopsis stock, not even cleaned it up, then I cut loph fast and forget it above pereskiopsis and leave my house for 2 weeks, I find out it's growing atm against any odds.
That stick what I have now, section have never had any foliage ever, it's bottom section from pereskiopsis where top section is taken to cutting, without rotten lophophora I would let this to grow new branches and used it later as stock with foliage.
I have no reason to say my graft are eve best way, just wanted to show a picture and ask do this way means same than yours. I'm noob with pereskiopsis, obtained my first pereskiopsis plant cuttings few months ago from friend.
Edited by intelligentlife (01/06/14 04:55 AM)
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hookahhead
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... .... Maybe you should mail order healthier pereskiopsis, I believe our shroomery vendor World Seed Supply has them. i know the diff in all types of pereskiopsis from experience. hell i was hunting wild ones in the 70's
there is a reason Gaia developed XLSCG. im humored, my detractors use human-made teks, that i abandoned several years ago, for better methods, and they are trying to re- sell me on it.
right now im kicking back, and watching the mud sticks in a grafters grow......i know why, and it's ignorance.
my point is simple, how much experience do ya need when ya lack charm?
XLSCG, it works. Hookah endorsed..........
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"Nothing New" "Willkommen im EthnoGarten" "Don't Be a Backeberg" "Mites and Mealy Bugs" "The Heart and the Sun"
If someone doesn't want your LIGHT, shine it some where else. Everyday there are people who LOVE, ACCEPT, and LOOK FORWARD to making CONTACT with you. YOU are capable of GREAT THINGS even if you feel neglected or mistreated in OUR current SPACE. Change your ways, change our WORLD, there is SAFTEY in NUMBERS. Welcome to the PRESENT. ~ 144,000 Anonymous Voices “Call it a clan, call it a network, call it a tribe, call it a family: Whatever you call it, whoever you are, you need one. [NOW]” - Jane Howard
Edited by hookahhead (01/06/14 05:18 AM)
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Very nice man
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Re: XLSCG / Soil VS. [Re: KBG1977]
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hookahhead
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Test 3: Round Peg in a Square Hole:
  
http://www.hhhh.org/joeboy/books/puzzlebook/geometry/square_in_a_circle_in_a_square/square_in_a_circle_in_a_square_answer.html
You see A Circle is a circle and a Square is a square. There is no debating that. When your grow space looks more like a Square than a circle, well maybe you should try using Square pots instead?
You can get seedling trays ANYWHERE for FREE. If you can scrounge up some of the trays, your ready to go. Take your seedling trays and cut out some but not all of the bottom for each individual cell. If you lucked upon extra trays you can cut the bottom out of these as well. Sink the seedling tray into a bed of Living Soil. The roots gain a large amount of room to wander, and the small size of the seedling trays keep them snug. Plus it provides an area suitable for a few worms. I'll try to stick my worms in just about anything
Edited by hookahhead (01/06/14 11:42 PM)
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hookahhead
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Test 4: XLSCG for Nearly ALL Terrestrial Plants.
Amazingly, almost all land plants benefit from Living Soil. This is because plants have been living in soil for 425 million years.
http://steurh.home.xs4all.nl/eng/old1.html
However, not all soils are the same. Therefore, not all plants enjoy the same soil.
A colleague of mine and fellow mail-order cactus n00b, ferrel_human recently shared his work with us. This is not separate from XLSCG, they are the same. Living Soil works for Grafts or Hard Grows.
Welcome to the Stone Eaters- A Soil Revolution
if there isnt a line between EXPERIENCE and parcel partial posts, we all might as well give up and die under a saguaro somewhere.
Edited by hookahhead (01/06/14 09:44 PM)
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Test 5: XLSCG under different lighting conditions. Natural, healthy looking plants.
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Outdoor:
   
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Run, run rabbit run Dig that hole, forget the sun, And when at last the work is done Don't sit down, it's time to dig another one For long you live and high you fly But only if you ride the tide And balanced on the biggest wave You race toward an early grave.
Edited by hookahhead (01/06/14 11:36 PM)
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1234go
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Man, all this new shit is mind blowing.
Where have I been...
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Sorry, but I don't think these tests are valid without some peas and carrots mixed in for comparison. I thought you were better than this HH.
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Re: XLSCG / Soil VS. "Dirt" myth [Re: hookahhead]
#19378541 - 01/06/14 06:21 PM (10 years, 24 days ago) |
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Quote:
hookahhead said: Im Hookahhead. some know me some dont...............

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hookahhead said: Mention the word "Dirt" around any passionate soil scientist and you will receive harsh criticisms.
This is true. I once took a horticulture class entirely on Soils. Soils 156F I believe it was. The teacher could not even begin to contain himself talking about the billions and trillions of living bacteria/fungi/protists/etc that live in soils. One thing he kept repeating (and it was a line from our text book) that I found particularly interesting, is that a person could go into any relatively moist soil climate in the world and grab a handful of soil and start putting stuff under a microscope and literally discover 20+ new microorganisms that have never been studied before. This is how truly vast the living organisms in soil are.
Another really interesting factoid from that class... It is estimated that if one were to take the entirety of all of the microbiological life and other soil organisms (worms, etc) and weigh them on a scale that they would outweigh every land creature on the planet by around 100x.
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did I just enter?
edit- is hookahead aware that someone hacked his account? Cause if not somebody should really let him know.
Gotta love love my ethnobotanical garden brethren.
Edited by ferrel_human (01/06/14 08:10 PM)
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hookahhead
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Test 6: Cactus or Caterpillar
I can't tell the difference...must be a Cacterpillar
A colleague of mine, and fellow mail-order cactus n00b, modern.shaman brought to our attention... Bikingdom Hybrids and Interspecies Erotica, in the new age...
(12-21-13)

Evidence that everyone loves Hookah.
Edited by hookahhead (01/07/14 12:30 AM)
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Test 7: XLSCG Productivity.
I received this stump as part of a care package from a friendly and generous Ethnobotanical Garden member. FREE, with a bunch of other FREE Living Stuff.
I was both thrilled and terrified when I first dumped it out of it's USPS package.

I thought it was fabled Purple Peruvian People Eating Peyote...
However, something didn't seem quite right. After a quick pm, I was informed I had an even more MAGICAL plant.
THE PURPLE PERUVIAN FINGERLING POTATO
http://irisheyesgardenseeds.com/potato-seed/fingerling-potatoes/purple-peruvian-organic-2812.html
Because everything you read on the internet is always absolutely true, no matter what. We can use this websites growing advice: "This is the only purple fingerling. The medium- to large-sized tubers need really rich soil and lots of water to prosper. This is a very popular variety at the farmers market!"
How would XLSCG hold up to The Test?
 
WOW!
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"Nothing New" "Willkommen im EthnoGarten" "Don't Be a Backeberg" "Mites and Mealy Bugs" "The Heart and the Sun"
If someone doesn't want your LIGHT, shine it some where else. Everyday there are people who LOVE, ACCEPT, and LOOK FORWARD to making CONTACT with you. YOU are capable of GREAT THINGS even if you feel neglected or mistreated in OUR current SPACE. Change your ways, change our WORLD, there is SAFTEY in NUMBERS. Welcome to the PRESENT. ~ 144,000 Anonymous Voices “Call it a clan, call it a network, call it a tribe, call it a family: Whatever you call it, whoever you are, you need one. [NOW]” - Jane Howard
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HH, You are killing me bro!
I very much agree with the smell of good earth. Moist peat moss is one of my favorite smells. Too bad they don't make cologne smell like that...
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I had a few 50mm square pots sitting on my bench for a few weeks. In these pots was some soil not just any soil but commercial store bought cacti mix and in this mix was some old tired looking pere from failed grafts. Yes failed grafts as I am not a " pro grower " just a grower having some fun I can show my mistakes and decrepit looking plants. So I though I should empty them out as the soil had been dry for some time and you wouldn't believe what I found......................... I found roots there were roots growing in the soil. How did this happen I have been told that they would only grow in nutrient enriched water. Here they are peeps pere grown in soil with roots.

It is worth noting how many different places the roots have formed from and that they have formed roots from the very bottom all the way up to the soil line. I have been planting my pere close to full pot depth since I have been using the 50mm pots ( they are 75mm tall ) and have been planting them deep for some time due to the fact that they will form roots all of the way up and they don't rot.
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Re: XLSCG / Soil VS. [Re: GoOnThen]
#19380410 - 01/07/14 12:49 AM (10 years, 24 days ago) |
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ya , psi [and GOT] prove the point with T-8 and dirt systems fer sure..... but keep in mind, they has a high skill level, and understands dirt dynamics and light n shit distance/ color/ power.
good head footprint density also.
the key is garden engineering. and clearly, they gets superior croppage, far beyond, what others with similar set ups get. proving also, skill AND equip, makes the difference.
my faith in humanity, and the future of the grow, is restored.
for the next few seconds....... Leaves 3, Mudsticks 0
-------------------- "My worm farm" "96 Gallon Worm Tote" "Let Your Freak Flag Fly" "Respect Your Roots" "A KNEW IDEA"
"Nothing New" "Willkommen im EthnoGarten" "Don't Be a Backeberg" "Mites and Mealy Bugs" "The Heart and the Sun"
If someone doesn't want your LIGHT, shine it some where else. Everyday there are people who LOVE, ACCEPT, and LOOK FORWARD to making CONTACT with you. YOU are capable of GREAT THINGS even if you feel neglected or mistreated in OUR current SPACE. Change your ways, change our WORLD, there is SAFTEY in NUMBERS. Welcome to the PRESENT. ~ 144,000 Anonymous Voices “Call it a clan, call it a network, call it a tribe, call it a family: Whatever you call it, whoever you are, you need one. [NOW]” - Jane Howard
Edited by hookahhead (01/07/14 01:51 AM)
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Re: XLSCG / Soil VS. "Dirt" myth [Re: hookahhead] 1
#19380639 - 01/07/14 12:49 AM (10 years, 24 days ago) |
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This thread has been closed.
Reason: While some of this is well done it's time to shut it down due to the trolling/baiting aspect. You can argue the point but not mock each other. That's not going ot get this forum very far in the long run.
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