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renoreno100
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Re: how too grow scletoria ? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#19374348 - 01/05/14 07:01 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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So like otrganic rye wheat like bobs red mill type of stuff cuz i hear rye berries rye seed and I'm confused bout all these different rye things or anything else and where too get them at
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Pastywhyte
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Re: how too grow scletoria ? [Re: renoreno100]
#19374355 - 01/05/14 07:04 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Rye berries are just rye grains. Rye grass seed is literally the seed you use for your lawn. Hard red winter wheat is usually available in the supermarket, but might be a little pricey. Organic millet can be found there as well. Don't buy the Bob's red mill stuff, way overpriced.
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Re: how too grow scletoria ? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#19374382 - 01/05/14 07:12 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yea i just dont know what too get right know i got a pc and qt 12 size mason jars and just trying too take it a step at a time and i was wondering if u grow them in the jars can they be kept in the dark if anyone knows of a way too do grow these and a good attainable substrate too use like something at walmart that would be very helpful
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Re: how too grow scletoria ? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#19374389 - 01/05/14 07:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Rye grain is the grain of choice by far for reasons that will be obvious and extreme come harvest time. Corn does surprisingly well for sclerotia too... sucks for everything else though.
The only subs you could be getting from Wal-Satan-Mart are corn or birdseed. Please for your sake steer clear of birdseed for sclerotia and steer clear of Wal-Mart for everything.
It's almost hard to bring myself to say this, but corn might be the grain for your first goes.
They can definitely be grown in the dark, but I've had experience and experiments very quantifiably show that they do better with light. Ambient room light is all they need, no special lighting.
Stones from bulk are nice and all but I notice lower strength compared to aged jar ones. Even straight-grain fruited ones seem at least as strong as bulk ones or stronger. The increased FAE from fruiting conditions allows for much faster formation and growth, and surely faster metabolism too, but the ability to age them sterile contained for however long you want is an advantage to make the most of.
Not counting wide genetic variance for fruiting performance, I've always had wonderful results with Galindoi from just straight cased watered grains. Each of the first three flushes was almost as big as the last. The only great advantage I've seen to using bulk was that the fruits themselves are larger and make for nicer prints.
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Edited by Violet (01/05/14 07:19 PM)
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Re: how too grow scletoria ? [Re: Violet]
#19374422 - 01/05/14 07:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Okay so where would i get rye grain from
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Re: how too grow scletoria ? [Re: renoreno100]
#19374428 - 01/05/14 07:21 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Exactly. I know that was a question, but it might be a difficult one to answer elsewise. Thus I said that corn may be the grain for your first goes. If you're gonna find rye around you locally, and don't have feed&seed stores anywhere local, then it would be at whole food stores (health food stores) and it will definitely not be bottom-dollar.
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Re: how too grow scletoria ? [Re: Violet]
#19374444 - 01/05/14 07:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Violet said: Stones from bulk are nice and all but I notice lower strength compared to aged jar ones.
I dunno, the stones I got from my bulk were at least as potent as the ones from my jars They destroyed some of my guests on new years eve Maybe I just lucked out with some good genetics (I did transfer those 5 times before inoculation).
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Re: how too grow scletoria ? [Re: Violet]
#19374450 - 01/05/14 07:28 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yea i live in a small town of 800 and we have a feed mill i beleive cuz they sell things for farming but its winter i wonder if feed mills sell rye seed or rye grain
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Re: how too grow scletoria ? [Re: renoreno100]
#19374619 - 01/05/14 08:12 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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renoreno100 said: Yea i live in a small town of 800 and we have a feed mill i beleive cuz they sell things for farming but its winter i wonder if feed mills sell rye seed or rye grain
I would be shocked if they had nothing you could use. Rye berries, wheat, millet, RGS, are all good. Worst case you could try popcorn, just be sure to up your sterilization times to 2 hours.
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Re: how too grow scletoria ? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#19374660 - 01/05/14 08:22 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Why would birdseed be bad for sclerotia?
Have you done side by sides with isolates?
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I'm sure it grows it just fine, I just don't want to be chewing sunflower seed shells. The stones tend to form around the grains and draw them into the stone. I use rye for most of my grows anyway.
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Re: how too grow scletoria ? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#19374687 - 01/05/14 08:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: I'm sure it grows it just fine, I just don't want to be chewing sunflower seed shells. The stones tend to form around the grains and draw them into the stone. I use rye for most of my grows anyway.
aww that sucks.
Did you let yours sit for a couple months when that happened?
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Could someone enlighten me on using corn for sclerotia? I can get it cheap and if birdseed is really awful, then this is my best bet.
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Re: how too grow scletoria ? [Re: Sgt. Pepper]
#19374842 - 01/05/14 09:18 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sgt. Pepper said: Could someone enlighten me on using corn for sclerotia? I can get it cheap and if birdseed is really awful, then this is my best bet.
I doubt that WBS is awful. It might be slightly worse. I've read many a sclerotia tek and this is the first time I've heard that.
My birdseed has corn in it, sooo yeah. And my sclerotia are doing nicely in it. Good amount of visible ones, good sized.
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Hey I'm not trying to threadjack but I've going through some issues that could possibly help make a better decision and maybe someone could help me.
I inoculated 6 jars of Rye grain with only 4 small drops of MS ATL#7 like I was told here would do the trick and I put them in an incubator at 75 to 78 degrees since the heat in the house fluctuates so much.
Well the myc was growing soo slow that the rye was starting to dry a bit at the top which slowed the myc down that much more so I had to shake them about a month and a half in.
It's been just over 3 months now and I have seen no stone growth at all "zip 0 notta" so for the last month I've been opening the container so that they can get a bit of light from the window and sometimes I leave my grow light sitting on top of the opened container and I still have seen no stones.
so I was wandering if I were to innoc some more jars with a bit more solution in all 4 corners of the jar and place them in a clear box near the window if that would help with the stone growth.
BTW I have a lot of people in and out of my house so I try to keep them where I can hide them easily in a container or with a blanket so my girls family don't freak out so I'm kind of in the same situation as the OP.
Is their anything I can do to fix this and get some stones out of these?
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Re: how too grow scletoria ? [Re: LordChaos]
#19374861 - 01/05/14 09:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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LordChaos said: Hey I'm not trying to threadjack but I've going through some issues that could possibly help make a better decision and maybe someone could help me.
I inoculated 6 jars of Rye grain with only 4 small drops of MS ATL#7 like I was told here would do the trick and I put them in an incubator at 75 to 78 degrees since the heat in the house fluctuates so much.
Well the myc was growing soo slow that the rye was starting to dry a bit at the top which slowed the myc down that much more so I had to shake them about a month and a half in.
It's been just over 3 months now and I have seen no stone growth at all "zip 0 notta" so for the last month I've been opening the container so that they can get a bit of light from the window and sometimes I leave my grow light sitting on top of the opened container and I still have seen no stones.
so I was wandering if I were to innoc some more jars with a bit more solution in all 4 corners of the jar and place them in a clear box near the window if that would help with the stone growth.
BTW I have a lot of people in and out of my house so I try to keep them where I can hide them easily in a container or with a blanket so my girls family don't freak out so I'm kind of in the same situation as the OP.
Is their anything I can do to fix this and get some stones out of these?
sounds like either you got shitty genetics, or your grain was poorly prepared.
Did it look too wet? Or do you know what you're doing in that department pretty well?
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I figured I'd post this separately but I got a Mex A strain syringe and have innoced 2 jars with it using much more solution than I did with the ATL#7 and 2 weeks later their about 15% colonized which was way way faster than Atl 7 but I still haven't seen any stones yet but I'm praying to the mushroom gods that I see some soon.
I would advise unless I did something wrong that if your gonna use MS solution your best bet would be to try another species like Mex A that seems to colonize a lot faster and IME use more that just a few small drops down the sides of the jars.
May the Mushroom Gods Bless you OP
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Re: how too grow scletoria ? [Re: LordChaos]
#19374910 - 01/05/14 09:30 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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The grains were completely dry on the outside and packed full of water on the inside when I PC-ed them like all the teks called for and just like I do with cubes.
I wander if using more spores could leave more room for good stone producing genetics?
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Re: how too grow scletoria ? [Re: LordChaos]
#19374931 - 01/05/14 09:35 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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IME shaking will slow growth even more and stone production is much less or none. The first jar I inoculated I shook, and it was the last one to finish, weeks behind the others. The yield was less than half as well. I would suggest isolating faster genetics on agar and if more speed is then desired, using agar wedges to inoculate a LC. Otherwise if ms solution is all you can use, try smaller size jars like pints.
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Re: how too grow scletoria ? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#19374978 - 01/05/14 09:47 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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My main thing with grain choice for sclerotia is how badly they're engulfed by the grains. In order of least to most annoying to harvest & clean: Corn (falls right off) Rye Wheat (rye and wheat roll off easily) Birdseed Rice Grass seed (love this grain, but not for stones except their fruits)
Birdseed and rice, if not cooked just lightly enough (and rinsed!), may be a bit on the mushy side with the many small grains that can be engulfed by stones. Almost necessitates the toothbrush clean IMO
Grass seed doesn't have that problem at all - its problem is the many ridiculously tiny grains. They're a major pain to thoroughly clean from the stones. And I've noticed that the tiny seeds, which leave no space amongst each other, become very consolidated and might mostly only form thin stones at their barrier in the container.
Prepare corn just like rye, may require a longer simmer.
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LordChaos said: I inoculated 6 jars of Rye grain with only 4 small drops of MS ATL#7 like I was told here would do the trick and I put them in an incubator at 75 to 78 degrees since the heat in the house fluctuates so much. Well the myc was growing soo slow that the rye was starting to dry a bit at the top which slowed the myc down that much more so I had to shake them about a month and a half in. It's been just over 3 months now and I have seen no stone growth at all "zip 0 notta"
sounds like either you got shitty genetics, or your grain was poorly prepared.
Agreed. Sometimes both. I've had far more 'dud' inocs with sclerotia species than any other. Just took another try.
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Edited by Violet (01/05/14 09:52 PM)
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