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Re: is it ok to visit prostitutes? [Re: Crystal G]
    #19361697 - 01/03/14 01:14 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

if i were in a predicament where i had to sell my ass for money i dont think i would enjoy it enough to cum....i'm selling my ass for money

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Re: is it ok to visit prostitutes? [Re: lunarpiscean]
    #19361815 - 01/03/14 02:03 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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if i were in a predicament where i had to sell my ass for money i dont think i would enjoy it enough to cum....i'm selling my ass for money

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Why not? If you end up getting a buyer who's hot and good in bed, why wouldn't you cum? I'm pretty certain you would get over any hangups about having sex for money pretty quickly, like with anything else.


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Re: is it ok to visit prostitutes? [Re: Crystal G]
    #19361842 - 01/03/14 02:15 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

guys who are willing to pay for ass lose all appeal for me....because well...they're willing to pay for ass...



maybe the sex trade just doesnt appeal to me.


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Re: is it ok to visit prostitutes? [Re: lunarpiscean]
    #19361871 - 01/03/14 02:25 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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guys who are willing to pay for ass lose all appeal for me....because well...they're willing to pay for ass...





Guys who pay for sex lose appeal to me, but it's only because I realize how ignorant they are about political issues such as sex trafficking. The worst are the men who are aware of these issues, yet choose to remain ignorant by seeking out these services anyway. I would consider a guy who has paid for sex in the past, only if he was highly conscientious about making informed choices, by deliberately seeking out women who had no chance of being trafficked, or taken advantage of in some way.


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Re: is it ok to visit prostitutes? [Re: Crystal G] * 3
    #19362533 - 01/03/14 09:16 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

jesus christ :facepalm:


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Re: is it ok to visit prostitutes? [Re: Bassfreak]
    #19362975 - 01/03/14 11:31 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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jesus christ :facepalm:



Try using your words.  What's your issue here?


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Re: is it ok to visit prostitutes? [Re: Crystal G]
    #19363000 - 01/03/14 11:36 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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guys who are willing to pay for ass lose all appeal for me....because well...they're willing to pay for ass...





Guys who pay for sex lose appeal to me, but it's only because I realize how ignorant they are about political issues such as sex trafficking. The worst are the men who are aware of these issues, yet choose to remain ignorant by seeking out these services anyway. I would consider a guy who has paid for sex in the past, only if he was highly conscientious about making informed choices, by deliberately seeking out women who had no chance of being trafficked, or taken advantage of in some way.




Do you do the same when buying a crack rock? Do you make sure everything you buy wasn't made in a sweatshop? That the meat you're eating wasn't produced in a factory-farm?

Where do we stop?

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Re: is it ok to visit prostitutes? [Re: pwnasaurus]
    #19363037 - 01/03/14 11:44 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: is it ok to visit prostitutes? [Re: pwnasaurus]
    #19363933 - 01/03/14 03:31 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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jesus christ :facepalm:



Try using your words.  What's your issue here?





crystal G blabbering about sex trafficking

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Re: is it ok to visit prostitutes? [Re: Repertoire89]
    #19366526 - 01/04/14 12:38 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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jesus christ :facepalm:



Try using your words.  What's your issue here?





crystal G blabbering about sex trafficking

:facepalm:




Uhm, as somebody who used to work in a strip club, if anything, this makes me MORE aware of the issues that women face in the sex industry more than the average person.

Just admit it, you won't STFU because I called you out and made you a little bitch in your stupid thread that got deleted in the Pub.

Do I come and follow your posts to try to discredit everything you say, simply because I disagree with you? No, I don't do that kind of thing, because I am smarter than you.

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lunarpiscean said:
guys who are willing to pay for ass lose all appeal for me....because well...they're willing to pay for ass...





Guys who pay for sex lose appeal to me, but it's only because I realize how ignorant they are about political issues such as sex trafficking. The worst are the men who are aware of these issues, yet choose to remain ignorant by seeking out these services anyway. I would consider a guy who has paid for sex in the past, only if he was highly conscientious about making informed choices, by deliberately seeking out women who had no chance of being trafficked, or taken advantage of in some way.




Do you do the same when buying a crack rock? Do you make sure everything you buy wasn't made in a sweatshop? That the meat you're eating wasn't produced in a factory-farm?

Where do we stop?

:hamletmonkey:




I do not view buying things such as clothes or eating meat as tantamount to buying sex. Because simply put, even though you can TRY YOUR BEST to make conscientious choices with food and commercial products, you cannot escape buying from these sources every now and then. After all, EVERYBODY has to eat. EVERYBODY needs things like clothes and toilet paper. However, you do not NEED to have sex with a bunch of people, in the same way that you need to eat and buy groceries and necessities.

Simply put, you CHOOSE to have sex with all those people. You do not NEED to buy that $20 crack whore on the streets of Compton. You do not NEED to buy those 16 year old prostitute in Thailand. Whereas eating and buying necessities, you don't have a CHOICE in doing those things, you HAVE to do those things. The two actions are not even remotely or closely related, like at all.

And with things like food and necessities, you can THINK that you are making informed choices, when you might really not be. For example, you might buy organic food at Trader Joe's, and think that you are reducing factory farming by buying this type of food. But that organic food company could be owned by the same company that runs factory farms. (e.g., Chipotle, that "organic, cruelty-free" fast food chain is owned by the same company that operates Burger King.)

Also, that organic food company could be using techniques that barely fit the legal definition of "organic" or "humane," just so it can be certified and labeled "organic" or "cruelty-free," when it really might not be that far above factory farming. Or you might THINK that you are buying expensive Italian suits, but really they could be manufactured and mass-produced somewhere in Thailand or China, you just don't know about it. That is why even when you are making informed choices with mass-produced goods and food, you still might not be able to escape making good choices.

But yes, I do view corporate over-consumerism and commodity worshipping to be just as bad, and I would not want to be with somebody who was obsessed with buying luxury items either. I would also not date a man who is completely politically stupid and asinine about how the world works. Call me crazy, but as I've gotten older, I've found myself far more attracted to intelligence and conscientiousness. I view the man who buys trafficked sex workers to be just as bad as the man who buys three Lamborghinis instead of paying his workers a livable wage, because he has no sense and doesn't know how to spend money for the benefit of society. Why on earth would I want to date somebody like that, when their values are so different from mine?

Your comparison to drug use, is far more relatable to the sex industry than your comparison to foods and commodities. Because much like buying sex, you do not NEED to buy drugs (although you might strongly think that you need to while you are an addict). Buying drugs, much like buying sex, is a luxury and a commodity that people have endured hardships over the sale and trafficking of. Although at the very least, in the case of drug addicts, they still somewhat have an EXCUSE for why they continuously have to keep coming back to the drugs, even though they may very well despise their own behavior and usage. It is because their body and mind feels like it needs is, and feels excruciatingly in agony without it.

Somebody did call me out on my drug use, back when I was working for a human rights group. Said that I was completely hypocritical that I was doing philanthropic human rights activist work while I was giving money to the illicit drug trade. And it really made me view my life completely differently. I am sure that in my life, yes, I have donated tons of money to gangs and mafia due to my drug addiction. And that does make me a terrible person, and I can completely understand why somebody would despise me and not want to be with me for that reason.

Part of the huge reason I stopped doing drugs, except for pharmaceuticals lately. Pharmaceuticals go from doctor to patient, usually a suburban patient, who then sells it to me. Very little conflict when you buy pharmaceuticals. Lately the only drugs I'll ever do anymore are roxies. And even those I eventually stopped doing, because I kept feeling like the dealer was taking advantage of me, and deliberately trying to get me hooked on them just so he could profit off me. We don't like to admit it on this forum, but the drug industry is a damn shady business, even the semi-legal drug businesses.


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Re: is it ok to visit prostitutes? [Re: Crystal G]
    #19367206 - 01/04/14 08:24 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

LOL you called me out?

please elaborate


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Re: is it ok to visit prostitutes? [Re: Crystal G]
    #19368058 - 01/04/14 12:46 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

You pretty much summed up my point in a few different ways, on any level there's only so much a consumer can do. If one is going to pick up a hooker, trying to figure out who's a sex slave and who's not would be an impractical exercise

Factory farming is a much bigger issue to me, eating meat is as voluntary as picking up a hooker and the torture animals go through growing up and being slaughtered in that environment is hellish beyond comprehension.


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Re: is it ok to visit prostitutes? [Re: Crystal G]
    #19368102 - 01/04/14 12:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Somebody did call me out on my drug use, back when I was working for a human rights group. Said that I was completely hypocritical that I was doing philanthropic human rights activist work while I was giving money to the illicit drug trade. And it really made me view my life completely differently. I am sure that in my life, yes, I have donated tons of money to gangs and mafia due to my drug addiction. And that does make me a terrible person, and I can completely understand why somebody would despise me and not want to be with me for that reason.

Part of the huge reason I stopped doing drugs, except for pharmaceuticals lately. Pharmaceuticals go from doctor to patient, usually a suburban patient, who then sells it to me. Very little conflict when you buy pharmaceuticals. Lately the only drugs I'll ever do anymore are roxies. And even those I eventually stopped doing, because I kept feeling like the dealer was taking advantage of me, and deliberately trying to get me hooked on them just so he could profit off me. We don't like to admit it on this forum, but the drug industry is a damn shady business, even the semi-legal drug businesses.




That's at the fault of prohibition, when prohibition is repealed those same industries will have to take their assets into another business. The Mafia moved a lot of their assets into gambling post alcohol-prohibition, albeit there's still racketeering and all that.

Being who I am and having done a lot of shady things in the past, my conscious isn't marred by dealing with shady people. The underground isn't as ugly as what one can see of the oligarchy from a distant distance, and there's an element of freedom it grants which I appreciate poetically as well as practically.
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Re: is it ok to visit prostitutes? [Re: Repertoire89]
    #19370297 - 01/04/14 09:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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You pretty much summed up my point in a few different ways, on any level there's only so much a consumer can do. If one is going to pick up a hooker, trying to figure out who's a sex slave and who's not would be an impractical exercise




That is completely false. You might not be able to figure out 100% of the time, definitely, but you can definitely make logical assumptions.

Take for example, two different stories that my friend told me. I have one friend who is in the military, who is also very politically cognizant and conscious about the decisions he makes in society. He does buy prostitutes, but he ensures that he goes to places where they are not trafficked or exploited. So for example, one place he likes to pick them up, is a strip club. It is highly, highly unlikely that your average woman at a strip club is there involuntarily.

Now, compare this with the story that my other friend told me. He and his friend were drunk in Thailand, and asked the cabby to take them to a brothel. The cab driver drove about 30 minutes to the middle of nowhere, and took them to a WOMEN'S PRISON (literally a prison, all fenced in with bars, with police officers and security guards and shit), where they had all the female prisoners line up so that the customers could choose to have sex with them. You think any of them wanted to have sex voluntarily? You think any of them were even getting PAID to have sex?

So, even when it comes to the sex industry, you have the choice to make a wise one or a bad one.

And, the other thing to bear in mind, is that if you are buying a hooker specifically in a third world country, even if she specifically hasn't been trafficked BY FORCE, you have to bear in mind that the only reason women in those countries voluntarily go into prostitution is because they are heavily socioeconomically disadvantaged and uneducated. So, in that sense, she is still being exploited, and being taken advantage of. By buying a prostitute in a place like Thailand, even if she was not forced physically into her job, you as a consumer are still exploiting and taking advantage of her destitution and desperation to avoid going hungry. It is a specific type of exploitation that is much more avoidable in the USA.

With escorts in first-world countries, it is not necessarily always like that. Some escorts in this country have university degrees, some even have graduate degrees, they simply want to make fast and easy cash in a short period of time while working another job that maybe pays only $30 an hour or less. One of the escorts that I knew had a college degree, and her main job was a registered nurse. She simply found it easier to make $300 in 1 hour, since that would give her a lot more free time. As opposed to working a full-time job, she could work 25 hours as a nurse and then make the same pay with only a couple hours of sex work. Then there's high-class escorts, such as the one that NY governor got caught having an affair with--she was supposedly studying for her master's degree in something. So, even sex workers in this country can be educated with good careers. Avoiding exploitation is absolutely do-able.

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Factory farming is a much bigger issue to me, eating meat is as voluntary as picking up a hooker and the torture animals go through growing up and being slaughtered in that environment is hellish beyond comprehension.




I actually disagree that vegetarianism is any less harmful to animals than eating meat. For example, agriculture is inherently destructive and requires constant expansion, which destroys the natural habitat of wild animals as well as numerous animal species. You can escape farming by consuming only fish and seafood, but then of course you run into another entirely new problem, which is that you risk wiping out entire species in the ocean. The fact of life is that if you are a human, you are going to destroy some part of the environmental ecosystem or life form in one way or another, that is something you simply cannot escape.

Additionally, while you CAN choose to forgo eating meat and all animal byproducts, there is strong debate among nutritionalists over whether a vegan lifestyle is truly healthy. After all, if you want to reduce factory farming, simply being vegetarian wouldn't be good enough, you would probably have to be vegan, since chickens and cows are kept in terrible conditions for their eggs and milk. So, by forgoing meat and all animal byproducts, it comes at a risk to your health, which again is why it's not as comparable as buying sex, which is a luxury and not a necessity.

That said, in the future, there will likely be lab-grown meat available in the future. And when that day comes, you can bet your ass that I will be buying the cruelty-free brand.

Edit: But, I have no idea why you consider factory farming to be a bigger issue than sexual slavery?? The suffering, poverty, and hunger of humans is far more important than the suffering of any animal. I would personally shoot and kill 10 animals if it meant saving 1 human, unless that person was some awful, terrible rapist or murderer or exploiter of people (such as one of those human traffickers, or Mexican mafia head of drug cartel, or head of corporation running slave factories) or something. Those people can just die as far as I'm concerned. The world doesn't need people like them.


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Re: is it ok to visit prostitutes? [Re: Repertoire89]
    #19370312 - 01/04/14 09:12 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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That's at the fault of prohibition, when prohibition is repealed those same industries will have to take their assets into another business. The Mafia moved a lot of their assets into gambling post alcohol-prohibition, albeit there's still racketeering and all that.

Being who I am and having done a lot of shady things in the past, my conscious isn't marred by dealing with shady people. The underground isn't as ugly as what one can see of the oligarchy from a distant distance, and there's an element of freedom it grants which I appreciate poetically as well as practically.
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The prohibition issue actually runs a little deeper than what most people claim. A lot of people think that by making something legal, it instantly revokes any of the ramifications of the black market, but this is not necessarily true. For example, even in Amsterdam where prostitution is legal, women are sometimes still trafficked, usually from Russia or Eastern Europe. The problem is, that because these women do not retain any legal citizenship status in Holland, they fear deportation if they were to come out and report their exploitation. So the problem is actually not just about legal/illegal actions, it is also about right to work and legal residence/citizenship issues as well.

You mentioned gambling. Well, gambling used to be completely legal, yet who profited the most from gambling? It was the mafia. It wasn't until the 1980's that the FBI raided all those casinos and finally captured the mafia, that the gambling industry became owned by "legitimate" business-owners. This means, that even when something is "legal," the mafia is still able to profit from these industries.


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Re: is it ok to visit prostitutes? [Re: Crystal G] * 1
    #19374108 - 01/05/14 05:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

There is NOTHING wrong with visiting prostitutes, and it always makes me mad when people say otherwise.
Prostitutes are real people, with real lives and real stories.
A woman becomes a prostitute to support herself or those she loves, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with this.
And there is absolutly nothing wrong with supporting these women either.


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    #19374206 - 01/05/14 06:24 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Go to a bar. Drink a shit load of tequila.  Find a woman who's there by herself, really drunk, or any woman that looks like she has low self esteem.  Strike up a conversation, make her laugh, bitch about your job, tell her she's pretty, offer to buy her a drink..  You'll find things to make conversation if you're drinking fun stuff.  The bar tab will cost about as much as a hooker, but its more fun and you're hopefully not banging some woman 5 other guys already had that day.
Maybe you'll meet a friend, and its practice for meeting quality women later.


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Re: is it ok to visit prostitutes? [Re: Janna]
    #19375108 - 01/05/14 10:21 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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There is NOTHING wrong with visiting prostitutes, and it always makes me mad when people say otherwise.
Prostitutes are real people, with real lives and real stories.
A woman becomes a prostitute to support herself or those she loves, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with this.
And there is absolutly nothing wrong with supporting these women either.




There's something wrong with it for the guy, in my opinion. It's degrading, to an extent.


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Re: is it ok to visit prostitutes? [Re: s240779]
    #19375274 - 01/05/14 11:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I visited a prostitute because I was mentally ill and still a virgin at 23 or so. Being mentally ill you can't even hold down friends let alone girlfriends. I actually told the chick I was a virgin, kind of in front of the other prostitutes before we went into the room, because honestly I was kinda nervous and not paying attention, just wanted her not to expect me to launch into it... And when I got out of there and went past the other prostitutes again they were all smiling really kindly at me, it was awesome. It was my little rite of passage finally complete, and they were glad for me I guess. Even the receptionist had this huge grin.

For some reason when I told these friends I sorta used to have they laughed and seemed to try to mock me a bit, try and get more info like how much I paid etc. I guess if I was mentally healthy and I went to a prostitute to lose my virginity it would be a bit of a drop in class, but I was fucking insane so I feel zero shame. I guess in their culture it must be really funny or something. They didn't hate me afterwards or anything but I think that helped us lose contact later.

I feel I shouldn't go telling any decent chicks, especially really classy, self-respecting ones. I had a great excuse but still I think a quality woman would dump you right there.

I wouldn't judge anyone that did it personally. I wouldn't care at all. So you needed sex, so you had to pay for it. But the culture is always setting standards for behaviour, usually pretty arbitrarily, so you might find if you're a real socialite that you wouldn't want to talk about it.

If you can't speak to women and all that, especially since there's a lot of friendly self-respecting women out there, there's a bit of an issue. Could be mental health, some anxiety, depression, phobia. I used to make excuses, feel afraid, etc. but now I realise it's a real issue if you're like that. Specifically me for me it was schizophrenia making me like that. No matter how hard I tried I just caved in under pressure. There was no 'working at it'.

You might want to seek some kind of help with dealing with women if you're not terribly mentally ill. You should be able to work at the issue and get somewhere.


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Re: is it ok to visit prostitutes? [Re: circastes]
    #19375280 - 01/05/14 11:22 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I visited a prostitute because I was mentally ill and still a virgin at 23 or so. Being mentally ill you can't even hold down friends let alone girlfriends. I actually told the chick I was a virgin, kind of in front of the other prostitutes before we went into the room, because honestly I was kinda nervous and not paying attention, just wanted her not to expect me to launch into it... And when I got out of there and went past the other prostitutes again they were all smiling really kindly at me, it was awesome. It was my little rite of passage finally complete, and they were glad for me I guess. Even the receptionist had this huge grin.




What kind of a place was this and what was their ethnicity, just out of curiosity?


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