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how too grow scletoria ?
    #19373374 - 01/05/14 02:55 PM (10 years, 25 days ago)

I was wondering how too grow scletoria because I've been looking and heard all kinds of different things and i was wondering if u can grow them in a jar and how does it take. I got qt size jars and a pressure cooker too start with just need too find out information and i been looking


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Re: how too grow scletoria ? [Re: renoreno100]
    #19373397 - 01/05/14 03:02 PM (10 years, 25 days ago)

Its prolly the easiest thing you can do. Simply inoculate jars, and wait for stones to grow.


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Re: how too grow scletoria ? [Re: fractaldill]
    #19373408 - 01/05/14 03:04 PM (10 years, 25 days ago)

Im a little confused bout the process bout what i need for the jars


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Re: how too grow scletoria ? [Re: renoreno100]
    #19373412 - 01/05/14 03:06 PM (10 years, 25 days ago)

Rye berries, wbs, any grain spawn will work.


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Re: how too grow scletoria ? [Re: fractaldill]
    #19373427 - 01/05/14 03:11 PM (10 years, 25 days ago)

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Its prolly the easiest thing you can do. Simply inoculate jars, and wait for stones to grow.



it really is the easiest of all fungi to grow since the stones form in the jar.

USE THE FRIGGIN SEARCH ENGINE!!! this site is overflowing with information about this


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Re: how too grow scletoria ? [Re: renoreno100]
    #19373428 - 01/05/14 03:11 PM (10 years, 25 days ago)



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Re: how too grow scletoria ? [Re: fractaldill]
    #19373440 - 01/05/14 03:15 PM (10 years, 25 days ago)

Okay so what I'm getting is that if i get some rye seed and sterilize and inject the spores that basically it will pretty much do it by itself and i was wondering if i did if i could put them in a dresser drawer from there on till harvest


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Re: how too grow scletoria ? [Re: renoreno100]
    #19373453 - 01/05/14 03:20 PM (10 years, 25 days ago)

they do better if they have a light cycle. 12 on 12 off works for me.


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Re: how too grow scletoria ? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #19373636 - 01/05/14 04:05 PM (10 years, 25 days ago)

Yea I'm trying too hide it but i was wondering what u use too grow them and where i can it cuz there seems too be a lot of different things too use i heard whole white rice works but if anyone knows what will work best I'm thinking bout doing the alantis kind cuz its a little more stronger


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Re: how too grow scletoria ? [Re: renoreno100]
    #19373800 - 01/05/14 04:46 PM (10 years, 25 days ago)

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Re: how too grow scletoria ? [Re: fractaldill]
    #19374075 - 01/05/14 05:51 PM (10 years, 25 days ago)

isn't atlantis not a real species? lol


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Re: how too grow scletoria ? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #19374109 - 01/05/14 05:57 PM (10 years, 25 days ago)

The one they found in Georgia


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Re: how too grow scletoria ? [Re: renoreno100]
    #19374168 - 01/05/14 06:12 PM (10 years, 25 days ago)

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The one they found in Georgia



I thought that was Tempensis?

I've heard mixed reviews on tampensis.

Then again, you hear mixed reviews about all species because of the newbs who only do Multi-spore and then blame the species as a whole.


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Re: how too grow scletoria ? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #19374230 - 01/05/14 06:30 PM (10 years, 25 days ago)

ATL7 was discovered in Georgia and is actually ps Galindoi, which is in section mexicana. Ps tampanensis is the one that was found in Florida and was never discovered there again. It was reported to be found in Mississippi but no samples were collected. The true ps Atlantis does indeed exist, last I heard Workman was trying to get some genetic material to work with (I could be totally off base here).

On a personal note, I have had virtually no luck colonizing these with ms solution, they are very slow and the grains either dry up or endospores germinate after the 3 months they take to colonize with ms solution. My best jars were done with Agar after 4-5 transfers to isolate some of the faster genetics.



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Re: how too grow scletoria ? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19374241 - 01/05/14 06:33 PM (10 years, 25 days ago)

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ATL7 was discovered in Georgia and is actually ps Galindoi, which is in section mexicana. Ps tampanensis is the one that was found in Florida and was never discovered there again. It was reported to be found in Mississippi but no samples were collected. The true ps Atlantis does indeed exist, last I heard Workman was trying to get some genetic material to work with (I could be totally off base here).

On a personal note, I have had virtually no luck colonizing these with ms solution, they are very slow and the grains either dry up or endospores germinate after the 3 months they take to colonize with ms solution. My best jars were done with Agar after 4-5 transfers to isolate some of the faster genetics.





ooh yeah it was florida. Thats what confused me, the states.


Thats weird spores never worked. I had a few go bad due to bad prints. But eventually got a clean one and got some nice healthy jars going. (fast colonizers too!)


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Re: how too grow scletoria ? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #19374248 - 01/05/14 06:34 PM (10 years, 25 days ago)

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Re: how too grow scletoria ? [Re: Nakor420]
    #19374269 - 01/05/14 06:40 PM (10 years, 25 days ago)

So what's the best substrate too use


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Re: how too grow scletoria ? [Re: renoreno100]
    #19374292 - 01/05/14 06:46 PM (10 years, 25 days ago)

I would use rye or wheat or maybe millet as my spawn as the stones often wrap themselves right around the grains, and they might be a little nasty to eat with sunflower shells buried in them. Then if you go bulk I would spawn to coir and verm for some good stone production. I never had much luck fruiting them from that tho, so if your after fruits not stones maybe try a mix like stonesun uses with hpoo, verm, straw and coir. He seems to get nice results with it.


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Re: how too grow scletoria ? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19374314 - 01/05/14 06:51 PM (10 years, 25 days ago)

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I would use rye or wheat or maybe millet as my spawn as the stones often wrap themselves right around the grains, and they might be a little nasty to eat with sunflower shells buried in them. Then if you go bulk I would spawn to coir and verm for some good stone production. I never had much luck fruiting them from that tho, so if your after fruits not stones maybe try a mix like stonesun uses with hpoo, verm, straw and coir. He seems to get nice results with it.



oh wow, so you go to bulk just to get more stones? I like that!

I wonder if a bulk substrate could both fruit and produce stones?


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Re: how too grow scletoria ? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #19374341 - 01/05/14 06:59 PM (10 years, 25 days ago)

You sure can get both, I have had very poor fruit production but, that was probably due to it not liking monos, might have also been genetic. I have a couple of clones from fruits on agar right now and I am doing up some LC with them tonight so hopefully that culture fruits better for me.

The bulk stones on the other hand were very large compared to the jars and I got a much larger yield overall as well.


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Re: how too grow scletoria ? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19374348 - 01/05/14 07:01 PM (10 years, 25 days ago)

So like otrganic rye wheat like bobs red mill type of stuff cuz i hear rye berries rye seed and I'm confused bout all these different rye things or anything else and where too get them at


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Re: how too grow scletoria ? [Re: renoreno100]
    #19374355 - 01/05/14 07:04 PM (10 years, 25 days ago)

Rye berries are just rye grains. Rye grass seed is literally the seed you use for your lawn. Hard red winter wheat is usually available in the supermarket, but might be a little pricey. Organic millet can be found there as well. Don't buy the Bob's red mill stuff, way overpriced.


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Re: how too grow scletoria ? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19374382 - 01/05/14 07:12 PM (10 years, 25 days ago)

Yea i just dont know what too get right know i got a pc and qt 12 size mason jars and just trying too take it a step at a time and i was wondering if u grow them in the jars can they be kept in the dark if anyone knows of a way too do grow these and a good attainable substrate too use like something at walmart that would be very helpful


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Re: how too grow scletoria ? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19374389 - 01/05/14 07:13 PM (10 years, 25 days ago)

Rye grain is the grain of choice by far for reasons that will be obvious and extreme come harvest time.  Corn does surprisingly well for sclerotia too... sucks for everything else though.

The only subs you could be getting from Wal-Satan-Mart are corn or birdseed.  Please for your sake steer clear of birdseed for sclerotia and steer clear of Wal-Mart for everything.

It's almost hard to bring myself to say this, but corn might be the grain for your first goes.


They can definitely be grown in the dark, but I've had experience and experiments very quantifiably show that they do better with light.  Ambient room light is all they need, no special lighting.



Stones from bulk are nice and all but I notice lower strength compared to aged jar ones. Even straight-grain fruited ones seem at least as strong as bulk ones or stronger.
The increased FAE from fruiting conditions allows for much faster formation and growth, and surely faster metabolism too, but the ability to age them sterile contained for however long you want is an advantage to make the most of.

Not counting wide genetic variance for fruiting performance,  I've always had wonderful results with Galindoi from just straight cased watered grains.  Each of the first three flushes was almost as big as the last.
The only great advantage I've seen to using bulk was that the fruits themselves are larger and make for nicer prints.


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Re: how too grow scletoria ? [Re: Violet]
    #19374422 - 01/05/14 07:19 PM (10 years, 25 days ago)

Okay so where would i get rye grain from


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Re: how too grow scletoria ? [Re: renoreno100]
    #19374428 - 01/05/14 07:21 PM (10 years, 25 days ago)

Exactly.
I know that was a question, but it might be a difficult one to answer elsewise.  Thus I said that corn may be the grain for your first goes.
If you're gonna find rye around you locally, and don't have feed&seed stores anywhere local, then it would be at whole food stores (health food stores) and it will definitely not be bottom-dollar.


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Re: how too grow scletoria ? [Re: Violet]
    #19374444 - 01/05/14 07:26 PM (10 years, 25 days ago)

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Stones from bulk are nice and all but I notice lower strength compared to aged jar ones.





I dunno, the stones I got from my bulk were at least as potent as the ones from my jars :shrug: They destroyed some of my guests on new years eve :crazy2: Maybe I just lucked out with some good genetics (I did transfer those 5 times before inoculation).


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Re: how too grow scletoria ? [Re: Violet]
    #19374450 - 01/05/14 07:28 PM (10 years, 25 days ago)

Yea i live in a small town of 800 and we have a feed mill i beleive cuz they sell things for farming but its winter i wonder if feed mills sell rye seed or rye grain


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Re: how too grow scletoria ? [Re: renoreno100]
    #19374619 - 01/05/14 08:12 PM (10 years, 25 days ago)

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Yea i live in a small town of 800 and we have a feed mill i beleive cuz they sell things for farming but its winter i wonder if feed mills sell rye seed or rye grain




I would be shocked if they had nothing you could use. Rye berries, wheat, millet, RGS, are all good. Worst case you could try popcorn, just be sure to up your sterilization times to 2 hours.


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Re: how too grow scletoria ? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19374660 - 01/05/14 08:22 PM (10 years, 25 days ago)

Why would birdseed be bad for sclerotia?

Have you done side by sides with isolates?


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    #19374675 - 01/05/14 08:25 PM (10 years, 25 days ago)

I'm sure it grows it just fine, I just don't want to be chewing sunflower seed shells. The stones tend to form around the grains and draw them into the stone. I use rye for most of my grows anyway.


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Re: how too grow scletoria ? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19374687 - 01/05/14 08:29 PM (10 years, 25 days ago)

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I'm sure it grows it just fine, I just don't want to be chewing sunflower seed shells. The stones tend to form around the grains and draw them into the stone. I use rye for most of my grows anyway.



aww that sucks.

Did you let yours sit for a couple months when that happened?


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Re: how too grow scletoria ? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #19374827 - 01/05/14 09:15 PM (10 years, 25 days ago)

Could someone enlighten me on using corn for sclerotia? I can get it cheap and if birdseed is really awful, then this is my best bet.


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Re: how too grow scletoria ? [Re: Sgt. Pepper]
    #19374842 - 01/05/14 09:18 PM (10 years, 25 days ago)

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Could someone enlighten me on using corn for sclerotia? I can get it cheap and if birdseed is really awful, then this is my best bet.



I doubt that WBS is awful. It might be slightly worse. I've read many a sclerotia tek and this is the first time I've heard that.

My birdseed has corn in it, sooo yeah. And my sclerotia are doing nicely in it. Good amount of visible ones, good sized.


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Re: how too grow scletoria ? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #19374848 - 01/05/14 09:19 PM (10 years, 25 days ago)

Hey I'm not trying to threadjack but I've going through some issues that could possibly help make a better decision and maybe someone could help me.

I inoculated 6 jars of Rye grain with only 4 small drops of MS ATL#7 like I was told here would do the trick and I put them in an incubator at 75 to 78 degrees since the heat in the house fluctuates so much.

Well the myc was growing soo slow that the rye was starting to dry a bit at the top which slowed the myc down that much more so I had to shake them about a month and a half in.

It's been just over 3 months now and I have seen no stone growth at all "zip 0 notta" so for the last month I've been opening the container so that they can get a bit of light from the window and sometimes I leave my grow light sitting on top of the opened container and I still have seen no stones.

so I was wandering if I were to innoc some more jars with a bit more solution in all 4 corners of the jar and place them in a clear box near the window if that would help with the stone growth.

BTW I have a lot of people in and out of my house so I try to keep them where I can hide them easily in a container or with a blanket so my girls family don't freak out so I'm kind of in the same situation as the OP.

Is their anything I can do to fix this and get some stones out of these?


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Re: how too grow scletoria ? [Re: LordChaos]
    #19374861 - 01/05/14 09:20 PM (10 years, 25 days ago)

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Hey I'm not trying to threadjack but I've going through some issues that could possibly help make a better decision and maybe someone could help me.

I inoculated 6 jars of Rye grain with only 4 small drops of MS ATL#7 like I was told here would do the trick and I put them in an incubator at 75 to 78 degrees since the heat in the house fluctuates so much.

Well the myc was growing soo slow that the rye was starting to dry a bit at the top which slowed the myc down that much more so I had to shake them about a month and a half in.

It's been just over 3 months now and I have seen no stone growth at all "zip 0 notta" so for the last month I've been opening the container so that they can get a bit of light from the window and sometimes I leave my grow light sitting on top of the opened container and I still have seen no stones.

so I was wandering if I were to innoc some more jars with a bit more solution in all 4 corners of the jar and place them in a clear box near the window if that would help with the stone growth.

BTW I have a lot of people in and out of my house so I try to keep them where I can hide them easily in a container or with a blanket so my girls family don't freak out so I'm kind of in the same situation as the OP.

Is their anything I can do to fix this and get some stones out of these?



sounds like either you got shitty genetics, or your grain was poorly prepared.

Did it look too wet? Or do you know what you're doing in that department pretty well?


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Re: how too grow scletoria ? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #19374894 - 01/05/14 09:28 PM (10 years, 25 days ago)

I figured I'd post this separately but I got a Mex A strain syringe and have innoced 2 jars with it using much more solution than I did with the ATL#7 and 2 weeks later their about 15% colonized which was way way faster than Atl 7 but I still haven't seen any stones yet but I'm praying to the mushroom gods that I see some soon.

I would advise unless I did something wrong that if your gonna use MS solution your best bet would be to try another species like Mex A that seems to colonize a lot faster and IME use more that just a few small drops down the sides of the jars.

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Re: how too grow scletoria ? [Re: LordChaos]
    #19374910 - 01/05/14 09:30 PM (10 years, 25 days ago)

The grains were completely dry on the outside and packed full of water on the inside when I PC-ed them like all the teks called for and just like I do with cubes.

I wander if using more spores could leave more room for good stone producing genetics?


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Re: how too grow scletoria ? [Re: LordChaos]
    #19374931 - 01/05/14 09:35 PM (10 years, 25 days ago)

IME shaking will slow growth even more and stone production is much less or none. The first jar I inoculated I shook, and it was the last one to finish, weeks behind the others. The yield was less than half as well. I would suggest isolating faster genetics on agar and if more speed is then desired, using agar wedges to inoculate a LC. Otherwise if ms solution is all you can use, try smaller size jars like pints.


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Re: how too grow scletoria ? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19374978 - 01/05/14 09:47 PM (10 years, 25 days ago)

My main thing with grain choice for sclerotia is how badly they're engulfed by the grains.
In order of least to most annoying to harvest & clean:
Corn (falls right off)
Rye
Wheat (rye and wheat roll off easily)
Birdseed
Rice
Grass seed (love this grain, but not for stones except their fruits)

Birdseed and rice, if not cooked just lightly enough (and rinsed!), may be a bit on the mushy side with the many small grains that can be engulfed by stones. Almost necessitates the toothbrush clean IMO

Grass seed doesn't have that problem at all - its problem is the many ridiculously tiny grains. They're a major pain to thoroughly clean from the stones.  And I've noticed that the tiny seeds, which leave no space amongst each other, become very consolidated and might mostly only form thin stones at their barrier in the container.


Prepare corn just like rye, may require a longer simmer.


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I inoculated 6 jars of Rye grain with only 4 small drops of MS ATL#7 like I was told here would do the trick and I put them in an incubator at 75 to 78 degrees since the heat in the house fluctuates so much.
Well the myc was growing soo slow that the rye was starting to dry a bit at the top which slowed the myc down that much more so I had to shake them about a month and a half in.
It's been just over 3 months now and I have seen no stone growth at all "zip 0 notta"



sounds like either you got shitty genetics, or your grain was poorly prepared.



Agreed. Sometimes both.
I've had far more 'dud' inocs with sclerotia species than any other. Just took another try.


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Re: how too grow scletoria ? [Re: Violet]
    #19375011 - 01/05/14 09:56 PM (10 years, 25 days ago)

Hey so if i make these holes in the jars how do use synthetic poly fil? do i make a little ball of it too pack in the hole?


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    #19375014 - 01/05/14 09:57 PM (10 years, 25 days ago)

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I figured I'd post this separately but I got a Mex A strain syringe and have innoced 2 jars with it using much more solution than I did with the ATL#7 and 2 weeks later their about 15% colonized which was way way faster than Atl 7 but I still haven't seen any stones yet but I'm praying to the mushroom gods that I see some soon.

I would advise unless I did something wrong that if your gonna use MS solution your best bet would be to try another species like Mex A that seems to colonize a lot faster and IME use more that just a few small drops down the sides of the jars.

May the Mushroom Gods Bless you OP:grin:



Don't blame the species just because you're a newb. :lol:

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Re: how too grow scletoria ? [Re: Violet]
    #19375025 - 01/05/14 10:00 PM (10 years, 25 days ago)

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My main thing with grain choice for sclerotia is how badly they're engulfed by the grains.
In order of least to most annoying to harvest & clean:
Corn (falls right off)
Rye
Wheat (rye and wheat roll off easily)
Birdseed
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Grass seed (love this grain, but not for stones except their fruits)

Birdseed and rice, if not cooked just lightly enough (and rinsed!), may be a bit on the mushy side with the many small grains that can be engulfed by stones. Almost necessitates the toothbrush clean IMO

Grass seed doesn't have that problem at all - its problem is the many ridiculously tiny grains. They're a major pain to thoroughly clean from the stones.  And I've noticed that the tiny seeds, which leave no space amongst each other, become very consolidated and might mostly only form thin stones at their barrier in the container.


Prepare corn just like rye, may require a longer simmer.


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I inoculated 6 jars of Rye grain with only 4 small drops of MS ATL#7 like I was told here would do the trick and I put them in an incubator at 75 to 78 degrees since the heat in the house fluctuates so much.
Well the myc was growing soo slow that the rye was starting to dry a bit at the top which slowed the myc down that much more so I had to shake them about a month and a half in.
It's been just over 3 months now and I have seen no stone growth at all "zip 0 notta"



sounds like either you got shitty genetics, or your grain was poorly prepared.



Agreed. Sometimes both.
I've had far more 'dud' inocs with sclerotia species than any other. Just took another try.



ooh, that makes more sense.

I think with birdseed there are too many random variable that can lead to normal teks not working quite right for you. As in, the different brands vary widely. Some seem more sticky than others, and have different ingredients.

I don't mind spending extra time cleaning off my stones.


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Re: how too grow scletoria ? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #19376900 - 01/06/14 11:26 AM (10 years, 25 days ago)

Well rbalzer I'm not a noob by any means but I'm not an expert either and to add this is my first time dealing with sclerotia producing species but with posting in this thread I figured that I could help the op since he seems to be new to all of this mushroom cultivation.

I might be wrong but In my understanding of this thread the op doesn't seem to be a regular cultivator and is probably new to it so I doubt he'll be working with agar or LCs so that's why I posted what I did in hopes to save him some time, money and effort and allow him to learn from what I'm dealing with so I figured it would be best for him to start with a little faster growing strain such as MEX A "correct me if I'm wrong about any of this".

Anyways I was wandering if anyone has noticed much difference between colonization times for ATL#7 and MEX A and maybe even Tamp or if it was just the particular genetics that is making my MEX A colonize so much faster than my ATL#7.


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Re: how too grow scletoria ? [Re: LordChaos]
    #19376916 - 01/06/14 11:30 AM (10 years, 25 days ago)

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it was just the particular genetics that is making my MEX A colonize so much faster than my ATL#7.



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Re: how too grow scletoria ? [Re: LordChaos]
    #19376917 - 01/06/14 11:30 AM (10 years, 25 days ago)

Genetics. My mex a was painfully slow, my ATL was lighting fast by comparison.


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    #19385545 - 01/07/14 10:27 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

I found some rye grass seed i could order too a hardware store and I'm confused if there's a ceratian kind or brand too get cuz there's the perennial and annually kind if anyone knows anything about it that would help.


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Re: how too grow scletoria ? [Re: renoreno100]
    #19387202 - 01/08/14 10:12 AM (10 years, 23 days ago)

You don't get it man, (rye) grass seed is not a great substrate
for sclerotia, get rye grain/berries.
If you must settle for grass seed, any kind without being treated with fungicide will work.


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    #19387361 - 01/08/14 10:44 AM (10 years, 23 days ago)

I believe ace hardware carries 50 pound bags of corn for like $15. You should check it out.


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Re: how too grow scletoria ? [Re: Sgt. Pepper]
    #19387364 - 01/08/14 10:45 AM (10 years, 23 days ago)

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I believe ace hardware carries 50 pound bags of corn for like $15. You should check it out.



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    #19387474 - 01/08/14 11:08 AM (10 years, 23 days ago)

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I believe ace hardware carries 50 pound bags of corn for like $15. You should check it out.



Ace, the Mycology place.

and my 2000th post!



Seriously, I have seen so many things other hardware stores have stopped stocking for the winter. They also have a huge selection of jars. I don't mean to plug a non sponsor or anything, they're just awesome.


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I believe ace hardware carries 50 pound bags of corn for like $15. You should check it out.



Ace, the Mycology place.

and my 2000th post!



Seriously, I have seen so many things other hardware stores have stopped stocking for the winter. They also have a huge selection of jars. I don't mean to plug a non sponsor or anything, they're just awesome.




most of the stores don't have the room in the back to put stuff back for the different seasons so they just consolidate it and put it in the "junk isle" Half the time they could go and find you seasonal items that are in their back room any way.


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I believe ace hardware carries 50 pound bags of corn for like $15. You should check it out.



Ace, the Mycology place.

and my 2000th post!



Seriously, I have seen so many things other hardware stores have stopped stocking for the winter. They also have a huge selection of jars. I don't mean to plug a non sponsor or anything, they're just awesome.




most of the stores don't have the room in the back to put stuff back for the different seasons so they just consolidate it and put it in the "junk isle" Half the time they could go and find you seasonal items that are in their back room any way.




Wow, really? I have no idea why ace is still selling grass seed in the middle of winter with 2 feet of snow covering the grass, but I'm happy they are. I'll have to check the "junk isle" at some stores now that you mention it.


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Re: how too grow scletoria ? [Re: Sgt. Pepper]
    #19387813 - 01/08/14 11:54 AM (10 years, 23 days ago)

I worked at an ace way back when and yep we left grass seed out all year since we didn't have anywhere to put it, we just tried to have not that much left when winter started.

The things most people need most are in the very far back, Keys, furnace filters, and plumbing repair things. Everything you don't really need is in the front of the store. Same thing with the isles, most expensive is at eye level and closer to the main isle and further down is the cheap stuff. So any unseasonal stuff is probably in the first few isles.


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Re: how too grow scletoria ? [Re: renoreno100]
    #19387852 - 01/08/14 12:04 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

is wbs a suitable substrate for growing sclerotia?


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    #19388153 - 01/08/14 01:17 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

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I worked at an ace way back when and yep we left grass seed out all year since we didn't have anywhere to put it, we just tried to have not that much left when winter started.

The things most people need most are in the very far back, Keys, furnace filters, and plumbing repair things. Everything you don't really need is in the front of the store. Same thing with the isles, most expensive is at eye level and closer to the main isle and further down is the cheap stuff. So any unseasonal stuff is probably in the first few isles.



That's amazing, you just completely described the ace by my house.


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Re: how too grow scletoria ? [Re: fractaldill]
    #19388162 - 01/08/14 01:19 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

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is wbs a suitable substrate for growing sclerotia?



I'm about to fill up spawn bags full of wbs for some galindoi. I've never tried it, but I'm sure it works fine, most people say that the birdseed sticks to the sclerotia really bad is all. I'm fine eating some millet though, I couldn't care less to be honest.


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Re: how too grow scletoria ? [Re: Sgt. Pepper]
    #19388168 - 01/08/14 01:21 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

Yea I just got a 50lb bag and don't wanna go out and get some rye berries. They're like 200% more expensive where I live.


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    #19388458 - 01/08/14 02:35 PM (10 years, 22 days ago)

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Yea I just got a 50lb bag and don't wanna go out and get some rye berries. They're like 200% more expensive where I live.



I just bought 80 pounds of wbs and I really don't wanna go buy anything else, so I guess I'll just be eating birdseed with my sclerotia, or making sclerotia tea. Be sure to soak with 50% coffee and a handful of gypsum though. It's said to make bigger and faster growing sclerotia.


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Re: how too grow scletoria ? [Re: fractaldill]
    #19389029 - 01/08/14 04:26 PM (10 years, 22 days ago)

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is wbs a suitable substrate for growing sclerotia?



I would say so. I have some going in WBS as we speak. It is my first time with this species though, so I don't have anything to compare to.

But it definitely works. It colonized real quick too!


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Re: how too grow scletoria ? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #19389156 - 01/08/14 04:43 PM (10 years, 22 days ago)

Does anyone have any experience wih corn too grow it or rice


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I would say so. I have some going in WBS as we speak. It is my first time with this species though, so I don't have anything to compare to.

But it definitely works. It colonized real quick too!




What makes you say no then?


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    #19389292 - 01/08/14 05:02 PM (10 years, 22 days ago)

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I would say so. I have some going in WBS as we speak. It is my first time with this species though, so I don't have anything to compare to.

But it definitely works. It colonized real quick too!




What makes you say no then?



i would say SO. as in yes it works :confused:


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Re: how too grow scletoria ? [Re: Sgt. Pepper]
    #19389361 - 01/08/14 05:10 PM (10 years, 22 days ago)

I think i might try wbs what kind did u use and if i got a pressure cooker do i need too do that one procces where u simer it or whatever I'm new too wbs and just seing how other people do it and i have researched a il bout wbs but still a little confused like if i have no other easily attaininable substrate s?


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    #19389388 - 01/08/14 05:13 PM (10 years, 22 days ago)

yeah you need to simmer it for like 5 minutes after soaking it for around 12 hours. Simmering birdseed much longer makes it too sticky.

after simmering you strain it immediately and stir it so all the steam can escape. The goal now is to let the outside of the  seed dry, but the inside will stay moist because of the simmering. So just let it sit out, stirring occasionally, for around an hour.

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    #19389409 - 01/08/14 05:16 PM (10 years, 22 days ago)

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I would say so. I have some going in WBS as we speak. It is my first time with this species though, so I don't have anything to compare to.

But it definitely works. It colonized real quick too!




What makes you say no then?



i would say SO. as in yes it works :confused:




I read it too fast too :lol:


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    #19390009 - 01/08/14 06:54 PM (10 years, 22 days ago)

Corn is Quite fine for stones. I'd favor it lots over grass seed, rice, and birdseed but only for stones. It has great spaces amongst the grains and is the easiest to harvest from.
Otherwise, the exact opposite - corn kinda sucks for fruits.

In general, for prep, you need to lean how much simmer is enough for each grain, to get them poofed up and wet inside without becoming weak soft and sticky or wet on the surface.

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I would say so. I have some going in WBS as we speak. It is my first time with this species though, so I don't have anything to compare to.

But it definitely works. It colonized real quick too!




What makes you say no then?



i would say SO. as in yes it works :confused:



:facepalm3: my bad, I thought you said no. I'm glad you think it works as I'm about to start 40 pounds worth of it. I read somewhere that I could get 2 dry pounds from that. Needless to say I'm excited as hell. Haha.


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    #19390595 - 01/08/14 09:01 PM (10 years, 22 days ago)

I would lke too thank alot of people for  giving info and different substrates and ideas I'm going too try too look for rye grain because i live in a farming community and there's a lot of feed mills around here and if I'm looking for rye grain i don't know if there's specific kinds places sell but i think i get the idea too ask for untreated rye grains? From what i get from this thread is that rye grain works best for scletoria stones and ima try and look hard for this and if anyone could let me know what i need too know about buying rye grain if its possible in my area i think thay it's possible.  but i will try because this grain sounds like the best for this but if i can't i will just have too experimentation with different substrates i can get versus buying everything online


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    #19390610 - 01/08/14 09:04 PM (10 years, 22 days ago)

If you can get rye, do it. Personally, I've never even seen it being sold in my town so I have to use wbs which works just fine too.


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If you can get rye, do it. Personally, I've never even seen it being sold in my town so I have to use wbs which works just fine too.



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    #19390933 - 01/08/14 10:15 PM (10 years, 22 days ago)

Sometimes you have to ask for rye berries:woah:
Sometimes you have to ask for winter rye seed:okiapprove:

The rye is usually sold in 50lb bags for pretty cheap at the feed store. Also I believe the consensus is that you want something organic/unprocessed.
You can also substitute rye with other cereal grains like (winter wheat,oats,barley) but you might want to do some searching about the other cereal grains  before experimenting.:docbrown:
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    #19401480 - 01/10/14 10:34 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

I believe someone said something bout or i read something bout using oats or wheat grains does anyone have any experience using this for growing scletoria


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    #19402834 - 01/11/14 08:57 AM (10 years, 20 days ago)

Yeah, wheat.  Works great like rye.


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