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Re: ‘Science Guy’ Bill Nye plans debate on Creation Museum [Re: psi]
    #19370818 - 01/04/14 11:43 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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He teaches at a university I think.




He doesn't. Read through the thread, somebody asked if he taught at a university level, he doesn't. He teaches at a high school level (if even that). Which means if he resides in Texas and teaches science, it's shoddy Christian science, and if it's politics/history he teaches, it's not even accurate politics or history that he teaches. That is why he thinks science is adherent to "language skewing" and that people should stop the pursuit in the search of truth.


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Re: ‘Science Guy’ Bill Nye plans debate on Creation Museum [Re: Crystal G]
    #19370905 - 01/05/14 12:12 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I don't believe he did say anywhere in this thread that he is a high school teacher. I did re-read the thread as you suggested and what he said was that he taught at an undergraduate level. He's alluded to this in other threads as well I think. Obviously though I have no real way of knowing whether what anyone on here claims to do in real life is true (nor do I really care all that much,) but I'm not convinced that he ever claimed to be a high school teacher.


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Re: ‘Science Guy’ Bill Nye plans debate on Creation Museum [Re: psi]
    #19370932 - 01/05/14 12:22 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Oh, I guess he is an undergraduate-level educator. Who knows, though. Maybe he learned and is teaching at a Christian university. He DID say that he was informed of the "gaps" in evolutionary theory in undergraduate anthropology (which apparently is what made him skeptical of evolution?).


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Re: ‘Science Guy’ Bill Nye plans debate on Creation Museum [Re: Crystal G]
    #19370955 - 01/05/14 12:34 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I could be wrong but I think philosophy may be his field. From what he was saying here,  I got the impression that he was just expressing a general skepticism of being certain about anything. He definitely did seem to be in a rather pissy mood as well though for whatever reason.


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Re: ‘Science Guy’ Bill Nye plans debate on Creation Museum [Re: psi]
    #19371324 - 01/05/14 03:51 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Abiogenesis is not understood as of yet. Generational evolution however is readily apparent.







That is true but the debate, which was the subject of this thread, is not really about abiogenesis. It is about evolution of species already living




Apparently the debate topic is “Is creationism a viable model of origins?”




That's not at all what morrow or anyone else said. Learn to read.


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Re: ‘Science Guy’ Bill Nye plans debate on Creation Museum [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #19371586 - 01/05/14 07:09 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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He doesn't. Read through the thread, somebody asked if he taught at a university level, he doesn't. He teaches at a high school level (if even that). Which means if he resides in Texas and teaches science, it's shoddy Christian science, and if it's politics/history he teaches, it's not even accurate politics or history that he teaches. That is why he thinks science is adherent to "language skewing" and that people should stop the pursuit in the search of truth.


Welp, I'm done with talking to you after making this post. It's obvious that I'm talking to someone who has already made up their mind and it isn't really paying attention to what I say. I clearly stated that I teach undergraduate college classes. My classes are not subject to "School boards"; I design my own lesson my plans as I see fit and my students learn accordingly. I teach Spanish, though, so you don't need to worry about me "getting wrong ideas about science into the minds of our youth." In any case I was raised in Texas and we learn normal biology/chemistry/etc. just like anyone else; your assumption that we learn "Christian science" is asinine downright rude. If you don't see how language limits science, learn about Godel's Incompleteness Theorem; or if you are too stupid to draw the conclusions from that yourself, read this book:



People should pursue science in the pursuit of useful ends like technological progress, medicine, etc., but it will not give you truth. It never will. Truth is something that individuals assign to propositions- it always has been that way,  and it always will be that way. If you don't understand how that works, take a Logic I course.

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Re: ‘Science Guy’ Bill Nye plans debate on Creation Museum [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #19372151 - 01/05/14 10:19 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Abiogenesis is not understood as of yet. Generational evolution however is readily apparent.







That is true but the debate, which was the subject of this thread, is not really about abiogenesis. It is about evolution of species already living




Apparently the debate topic is “Is creationism a viable model of origins?”




That's not at all what morrow or anyone else said. Learn to read.




Learn to read yourself, I never suggested that this point had been mentioned in this thread by morrowasted (not the OP of this thread btw) or anyone else. An article linked earlier in the thread says that “Is creationism a viable model of origins?” is the topic of the planned Nye-Ham debate, and that debate is the topic of this thread. If you have conflicting information on the question they will be debating then go ahead and produce it.

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There is no benefit for Nye or science in general in doing this. It will simply legitimize Hamhead's ridiculous beliefs. "If scientists are talking about it, there must be something to it." This is not a debate that will be won by evidence and logic, but by dogma and bullshit. Hamhead has home field advantage as well. Nye cannot win on those terms and is wasting his time.

http://www.godofevolution.com/why-bill-nyes-debate-with-young-earth-creationist-ken-ham-is-probably-a-mistake/





http://www.answersingenesis.org/outreach/event/Nye-Ham-Debate/?utm_source=homepage&utm_medium=noteworthy&utm_campaign=bill-nye-ken-ham-debate


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Re: ‘Science Guy’ Bill Nye plans debate on Creation Museum [Re: psi]
    #19372205 - 01/05/14 10:31 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

i dont want to wait til February to see the debate!


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Re: ‘Science Guy’ Bill Nye plans debate on Creation Museum [Re: Shins]
    #19372223 - 01/05/14 10:35 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Atheists are know it alls if you haven't yet noticed.



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Re: ‘Science Guy’ Bill Nye plans debate on Creation Museum [Re: psi]
    #19372260 - 01/05/14 10:43 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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LiquidGlass said:
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Bodhi of Ankou said:
Abiogenesis is not understood as of yet. Generational evolution however is readily apparent.







That is true but the debate, which was the subject of this thread, is not really about abiogenesis. It is about evolution of species already living




Apparently the debate topic is “Is creationism a viable model of origins?”




That's not at all what morrow or anyone else said. Learn to read.




Learn to read yourself, I never suggested that this point had been mentioned in this thread by morrowasted (not the OP of this thread btw) or anyone else. An article linked earlier in the thread says that “Is creationism a viable model of origins?” is the topic of the planned Nye-Ham debate, and that debate is the topic of this thread. If you have conflicting information on the question they will be debating then go ahead and produce it.






In the context of what you were replying to its implied. Next time pick a better place to interject.


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Re: ‘Science Guy’ Bill Nye plans debate on Creation Museum [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #19372303 - 01/05/14 10:53 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I was talking about the Nye vs Ham debate, which is the subject of this thread. I'm not quite sure what you are on about exactly. My best guess is that you thought I was implying something that I wasn't (whatever that might be exactly) and are now butthurt because I called you out for jumping down my throat over your misinterpretation.


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Re: ‘Science Guy’ Bill Nye plans debate on Creation Museum [Re: morrowasted]
    #19372466 - 01/05/14 11:36 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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People should pursue science in the pursuit of useful ends like technological progress, medicine, etc., but it will not give you truth. It never will. Truth is something that individuals assign to propositions- it always has been that way,  and it always will be that way. If you don't understand how that works, take a Logic I course.




And people say that atheists are know it alls...


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Re: ‘Science Guy’ Bill Nye plans debate on Creation Museum [Re: RiderOnTheStorm]
    #19372503 - 01/05/14 11:45 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Truth is what you can use to make predictions.  Creationism does not do that.


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Re: ‘Science Guy’ Bill Nye plans debate on Creation Museum [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19372536 - 01/05/14 11:52 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Creation vs evolution is a false dichotomy.


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Re: ‘Science Guy’ Bill Nye plans debate on Creation Museum [Re: RiderOnTheStorm]
    #19372620 - 01/05/14 12:10 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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People should pursue science in the pursuit of useful ends like technological progress, medicine, etc., but it will not give you truth. It never will. Truth is something that individuals assign to propositions- it always has been that way,  and it always will be that way. If you don't understand how that works, take a Logic I course.




And people say that atheists are know it alls...





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Re: ‘Science Guy’ Bill Nye plans debate on Creation Museum [Re: RiderOnTheStorm]
    #19372843 - 01/05/14 12:59 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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morrowasted said:
People should pursue science in the pursuit of useful ends like technological progress, medicine, etc., but it will not give you truth. It never will. Truth is something that individuals assign to propositions- it always has been that way,  and it always will be that way. If you don't understand how that works, take a Logic I course.




And people say that atheists are know it alls...



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If you don't understand how that works, take a Logic I course.




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Re: ‘Science Guy’ Bill Nye plans debate on Creation Museum [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #19372844 - 01/05/14 12:59 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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morrowasted said:
People should pursue science in the pursuit of useful ends like technological progress, medicine, etc., but it will not give you truth. It never will. Truth is something that individuals assign to propositions- it always has been that way,  and it always will be that way. If you don't understand how that works, take a Logic I course.




And people say that atheists are know it alls...





:whathesaid:



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If you don't understand how that works, take a Logic I course.




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Re: ‘Science Guy’ Bill Nye plans debate on Creation Museum [Re: morrowasted]
    #19372897 - 01/05/14 01:10 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Come to think of it, all of you atheists should just take a damn logic class.

It never hurt any one to take a logic class.


While you're at it, read a whole bunch of fucking books. Non-fiction books. Academic level non-fiction books, none of that pop science garbage that Dawkins has been churning out for the last 15 years. Hell, if you're an atheist and you want to read a decent book by an atheist, read Anthony Flew. The sad thing is that even though I'm not an atheist I'm probably more familiar with atheist arguments than 95% of the atheists I meet. Most of them are atheists because they're mad at mommy and daddy or even God himself (which makes absolutely no sense at all, but I run into it all the time).

And yeah, I am kind of pissy. I recently quit doing drugs and so I'm not high and giggly all the time. I'm actually really content, and I have a lot of time to get work done now. One of the things that is happening is that I'm realizing how much time I wasted being a lazy fuckoff when I was doing drugs all the time. Now, I'm not in a position to judge, but I've seen the CA thread. I'm just going to leave it at that. Don't be surprised if my presence on this forum gradually (or even abruptly) diminishes in the near future. I'm sure I won't be missed; whatever.


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Re: ‘Science Guy’ Bill Nye plans debate on Creation Museum [Re: Shins]
    #19372915 - 01/05/14 01:12 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Creation vs evolution is a false dichotomy.



ORLY?  How so?


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Re: ‘Science Guy’ Bill Nye plans debate on Creation Museum [Re: zappaisgod] * 1
    #19372925 - 01/05/14 01:14 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Creation vs evolution is a false dichotomy.



ORLY?  How so?



Because evolution could be a created phenomenon.... :huxleyfacepalm:


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