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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: imachavel]
#19370096 - 01/04/14 08:04 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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he has a picture of carl marx as his avatar and hes defending capitalism
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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: DebuteMachine]
#19370105 - 01/04/14 08:05 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Gilgamesh18 said: When unions get higher wages for their members by restricting entry into an occupation, those higher wages are at the expense of other workers who find their opportunities reduced. When government pays its employees higher wages, those higher wages are at the expense of the taxpayer. But when workers get higher wages and better working conditions through the free market, when they get raises by firm competing with one another for the best workers, by workers competing with one another for the best jobs, those higher wages are at nobody's expense. They can only come from higher productivity, greater capital investment, more widely diffused skills. The whole pie is bigger - there's more for the worker, but there's also more for the employer, the investor, the consumer, and even the tax collector.
That's the way the free market system distributes the fruits of economic progress among all people. That's the secret of the enormous improvements in the conditions of the working person over the past two centuries.
you missed the part where everything you just said is PHILOSOPHY. conglomerates dont give a fuck about free market.
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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: DebuteMachine] 1
#19370118 - 01/04/14 08:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: DebuteMachine] 1
#19370478 - 01/04/14 09:55 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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DebuteMachine said: he has a picture of carl marx as his avatar and hes defending capitalism 
Stalin you goof
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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: Gilgamesh18] 1
#19370480 - 01/04/14 09:55 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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at least i was right about the communist part
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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: Shins]
#19370483 - 01/04/14 09:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Shins said: Money is not created by labour, its created by debt actually.
value or wealth can be created by labour but that is a seperate thing from money.
you do not create value by creating money, you can redistribute it though if you can fool enough suckers to buy into it.
Your being picky. Labor adds value and money is a representation of that value.
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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: koods]
#19370485 - 01/04/14 09:57 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Shins said: Money is not created by labour, its created by debt actually.
value or wealth can be created by labour but that is a seperate thing from money.
you do not create value by creating money, you can redistribute it though if you can fool enough suckers to buy into it.
Your being picky. Labor adds value and money is a representation of that value.
Y u so leftwing koods?
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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: Gilgamesh18]
#19370489 - 01/04/14 09:59 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Probably from living in Canada, being brainwashed by their socialist citizens.
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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: koods]
#19370494 - 01/04/14 10:00 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ah well that would make sense. Canada is very different from the United States though culturally, historically there a whole other beast. And if things go south here in the states I plan on becoming a Canadian citizen.
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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: DebuteMachine]
#19370669 - 01/04/14 10:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Nymphaea said: If everyone makes minimum wage (which it's like half of the people) then they all have to get food benefits and subsidized. The minimum wage should be $10 across the board.
If the MONEY ACTAULLY STAYS IN THE LOCAL ECONOMY because minimum wage is higher then it will benefit all the business in that community cause those minimum wage earners are going to go out and spend that extra money back into their local economy. All the businesses will see more business from the extra money left in the community each pay cycle.
us poor bastards aren't the ones with swiss bank accounts sending shit over seas.
well you could argue some people send money to their relatives over seas, like illegals. but it's less of a difference.
I'm not talking about money being sent over seas. I'm just talking about the money literally staying within the city limit. When that happens it creates a multiplier effect where it's super likely that it will get spent again in the same city. It makes it so that you aren't paying for the distribution and the high wage earners associated with large chain retailers.
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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: DebuteMachine]
#19371747 - 01/05/14 08:14 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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DebuteMachine said: he has a picture of carl marx as his avatar and hes defending capitalism 
its irony, I r o n y. God damn i weep for the future
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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: DebuteMachine]
#19371749 - 01/05/14 08:16 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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DebuteMachine said: at least i was right about the communist part 
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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: koods]
#19371891 - 01/05/14 09:15 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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koods said: Probably from living in Canada, being brainwashed by their socialist citizens.
Al it takes is a year and suddenly you see the light, right?
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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: koods]
#19372046 - 01/05/14 09:53 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Shins said: God damn, minimum wage doesn't bring more koney to a comunity, it just distributes the same money to less people... you socialists all think money can just appear out of thin air.
Actually, one of the ways money is created is through labor. So yes, higher wages do create money out of thin air.
"wealth" is created through productive labor. Minimum wage laws do not create productive labor, they just shuffle money around, mostly from one group of poor people to another group of poor people.
You can make arguments for minimum wage all you want but one argument you cannot make with any sanity is for a federal one. There are wildly disparate economies throughout the country.
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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: zappaisgod]
#19372069 - 01/05/14 09:58 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Not in Texas! Doin' it right.
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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: zappaisgod]
#19373124 - 01/05/14 01:51 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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zappaisgod said: they just shuffle money around, mostly from one group of poor people to another group of poor people.
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It's amazing to look at this as a powerful business model, but this is essentially the same thing that happens with banks and interest, stocks and bonds, insurance collections and premiums, etc. It is essentially just moving money around from one group to another. Sorry to burst your bubble, but all financial institutions deal with intangible assets, they are not "producing" anything, such as a labourer does when he works and creates product goods and services
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Shins said: God damn, minimum wage doesn't bring more koney to a comunity, it just distributes the same money to less people... you socialists all think money can just appear out of thin air.
Actually, one of the ways money is created is through labor. So yes, higher wages do create money out of thin air.
"wealth" is created through productive labor. Minimum wage laws do not create productive labor
I don't imagine minimum wage laws creating labour or destroying labour. A higher wage doesn't stop someone from working harder, unless of course you are referring to spoiled brat children who inherit all their parents money, blow it on cocain and hookers, and call themselves CEOs
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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: imachavel]
#19373236 - 01/05/14 02:22 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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they create debt. thats something
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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: imachavel]
#19373245 - 01/05/14 02:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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zappaisgod said: they just shuffle money around, mostly from one group of poor people to another group of poor people.
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It's amazing to look at this as a powerful business model, but this is essentially the same thing that happens with banks and interest, stocks and bonds, insurance collections and premiums, etc. It is essentially just moving money around from one group to another. Sorry to burst your bubble, but all financial institutions deal with intangible assets, they are not "producing" anything, such as a labourer does when he works and creates product goods and services
No it isn't. They are providing capital for growth. Raising the minimum wage extracts capital for growth.Quote:
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Shins said: God damn, minimum wage doesn't bring more koney to a comunity, it just distributes the same money to less people... you socialists all think money can just appear out of thin air.
Actually, one of the ways money is created is through labor. So yes, higher wages do create money out of thin air.
"wealth" is created through productive labor. Minimum wage laws do not create productive labor
I don't imagine minimum wage laws creating labour or destroying labour. A higher wage doesn't stop someone from working harder, unless of course you are referring to spoiled brat children who inherit all their parents money, blow it on cocain and hookers, and call themselves CEOs
Where did I say it did either? I said it pointlessly shuffled money around with no mind or reason except to perpetuate a system that allows losers to reproduce their defective genes.
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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: zappaisgod]
#19373500 - 01/05/14 03:31 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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zappaisgod said: they just shuffle money around, mostly from one group of poor people to another group of poor people.
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It's amazing to look at this as a powerful business model, but this is essentially the same thing that happens with banks and interest, stocks and bonds, insurance collections and premiums, etc. It is essentially just moving money around from one group to another. Sorry to burst your bubble, but all financial institutions deal with intangible assets, they are not "producing" anything, such as a labourer does when he works and creates product goods and services
No it isn't. They are providing capital for growth. Raising the minimum wage extracts capital for growth.
It extracts capital for growth? It is extracting from those who would provide growth? And I assume the extra money could be re invested to grow the business and provide more growth? And who would benefit from more growth? The same wage earners who are extracting capital for growth?
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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: Gilgamesh18]
#19378717 - 01/06/14 06:52 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Gilgamesh18 said:if things go south here in the states I plan on becoming a Canadian citizen.
Duuuude, come on. Thats like the most un-American thing i have ever seen posted on this site.
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