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My first cased pins :) and updated pictures thereafter
    #19371886 - 01/05/14 09:14 AM (10 years, 26 days ago)

Got myself my first pins :laugh:  take a looky :wink:


Any comments? I think I may've induced fruiting too late :S


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Re: My first cased pins :) [Re: Cogsy]
    #19372062 - 01/05/14 09:56 AM (10 years, 25 days ago)

great stuff! no comments of concern from me


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Re: My first cased pins :) [Re: cronicr]
    #19372139 - 01/05/14 10:15 AM (10 years, 25 days ago)

yah your casing looks a little over colonised but your fruits look healthy. Good job.


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Re: My first cased pins :) [Re: Cogsy]
    #19372296 - 01/05/14 10:52 AM (10 years, 25 days ago)

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Got myself my first pins :laugh:  take a looky :wink:


Any comments? I think I may've induced fruiting too late :S



I will be following this grow. Keep me posted, man. Nice pin set though.


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Re: My first cased pins :) [Re: Webster10]
    #19375778 - 01/06/14 04:08 AM (10 years, 25 days ago)

As you asked buddy :wink: here's some updated pictures :laugh:


I have a couple questions about the last picture...
1. What's causing the poor pin spread and size of the pins in the corner? Is it because the mycelium has entirely overgrown the casing by there ?
2. Is that greenish yellow thing against the side a contam? What should I do if it is? Cut it off?

Anyway, seeing as how you got me posting pictures I'll show you what else is going on in my SGFC

This is my second much larger casing that started to pin overnight last night....  I'm hoping for great things :laugh:


And last but not least these are my 4 exceedingly quick colonizing BRF cakes that have had to've been separated from their brothers due to in vitro pinning... I should see the first pins pretty soon :laugh:

P.s if you wanted to compare the size of the two casings it is comparable in the background of the very last picture :wink:


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Re: My first cased pins :) [Re: Cogsy]
    #19375970 - 01/06/14 06:26 AM (10 years, 25 days ago)

You keep calling that a casing is  it a bulk sub with a casing layer or just state cased grains? Either way your pin set looks fine. That yellow crust looks like dried out mysilium or metabolites to me don't cut it off and I wouldn't worry too much about it.


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Re: My first cased pins :) [Re: MudaFuka]
    #19375975 - 01/06/14 06:30 AM (10 years, 25 days ago)

It looks like this guy has some funguys visiting his place real soon.Nice work.


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Re: My first cased pins :) [Re: MudaFuka]
    #19376007 - 01/06/14 06:41 AM (10 years, 25 days ago)

Just colonized rye berries with a verm casing... I know it's not ideal but it was the only viable option to me really... I'm pretty sure my dad wouldn't like me using his kitchen to pasteurize some poo :wink:


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Re: My first cased pins :) [Re: sololas]
    #19376018 - 01/06/14 06:46 AM (10 years, 25 days ago)

...I see what you did there .... :calledajoke: hahaa


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Re: My first cased pins :) [Re: Cogsy]
    #19376027 - 01/06/14 06:52 AM (10 years, 25 days ago)

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Just colonized rye berries with a verm casing... I know it's not ideal but it was the only viable option to me really... I'm pretty sure my dad wouldn't like me using his kitchen to pasteurize some poo :wink:



you could have used coir. Its all I ever use. Good job anyway.


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Re: My first cased pins :) [Re: MudaFuka]
    #19376037 - 01/06/14 06:58 AM (10 years, 25 days ago)

if ur dad is against poo, ask him if he would mind coir :shrug:


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Re: My first cased pins :) [Re: MudaFuka]
    #19376044 - 01/06/14 07:00 AM (10 years, 25 days ago)

Cheers :smile: I probably will try it next time, what method do you use to pasteurize it?
Also anybody have any ideas about my 2 questions? The discoloured bit is starting to annoy me..


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Re: My first cased pins :) [Re: MudaFuka]
    #19376053 - 01/06/14 07:02 AM (10 years, 25 days ago)

:fatfear:
This is what I felt like when I saw those pf cakes..


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Re: My first cased pins :) [Re: Nakor420]
    #19376069 - 01/06/14 07:10 AM (10 years, 25 days ago)

They do look like they might fall over :') I'm not too worried though I go to town when I fan them and they don't shake much :')


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Re: My first cased pins :) [Re: Cogsy]
    #19376091 - 01/06/14 07:17 AM (10 years, 25 days ago)

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Cheers :smile: I probably will try it next time, what method do you use to pasteurize it?
Also anybody have any ideas about my 2 questions? The discoloured bit is starting to annoy me..





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Re: My first cased pins :) [Re: alabamamushie]
    #19376104 - 01/06/14 07:23 AM (10 years, 25 days ago)

looks fine, just metabolites.  as long as it does not spread quickly u r ok!  good job!

whats on top of ur cakes?  is that just big chunks of verm?  if so, those r HUGE.  never seen verm that big.  care to take a shot of the bag it came in?


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Re: My first cased pins :) [Re: blindingleaf]
    #19376137 - 01/06/14 07:37 AM (10 years, 25 days ago)

Yeah it's massive verm D: the last verm I had was almost powder, so I ordered coarse and got this crazy chunky shit :')


It's alright, I can literally grind it up with my hands in a bowl, takes five minutes and I can get whatever consistency I need :smile: I like to use a mix of fine and coarser vermiculite for my cakes themselves leaves them nice and airy and the fine stuff makes for great water retention :smile:


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Re: My first cased pins :) [Re: Cogsy]
    #19376143 - 01/06/14 07:39 AM (10 years, 25 days ago)

woa, thats crazy!  i thought mine was big haha.


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Re: My first cased pins :) [Re: blindingleaf]
    #19376150 - 01/06/14 07:43 AM (10 years, 25 days ago)

but is all seriousness, see if u can grab some coir from a pet store (its reptile bedding I'm sure u have seen pics of it, "eco earth" brand name and there are others) and pasteurize using franks tek (listed in above post) its easy and u can use the verm with it.  it will boost ur yield and will help u with mono tubs later.  actually, u can sterilize it too, for that look for pastywhites thread on it..meaning if u go too high on the past. temp its fine.


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Re: My first cased pins :) [Re: blindingleaf]
    #19376158 - 01/06/14 07:46 AM (10 years, 25 days ago)

I've gotten used to hearing that kinda thing.... Just never about my verm:tongue2: hahaaa!!


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Re: My first cased pins :) [Re: blindingleaf]
    #19376185 - 01/06/14 07:59 AM (10 years, 25 days ago)

I definitely will :smile: I've read up on it somewhat, especially how Frank gets shit done.. These casings are the product of two free pre-steralised mushbags..  I don't actually own a pressure cooker yet(next purchase) as soon as I do imma spawn to bulk in a monotub probably coir and verm, seems to be the easiest :laugh: I spose I couldn't be assed making a whole monotub set up and buying coir and a jam thermometer just for one grow :S


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Re: My first cased pins :) [Re: Cogsy]
    #19377606 - 01/06/14 02:58 PM (10 years, 24 days ago)

spring for the pc if u got the cash, otherwise if u need to wait a month or so till u have it, do up some 1/2 pints steam sterilized, and then by the time u got the cash for the PC, u will b able to (hopefully) birth ur initial batch.
or...... take a look at chronicr's $50 thread, he had great success steam sterilizing grains if u wanna take that route

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Re: My first cased pins :) [Re: blindingleaf]
    #19377715 - 01/06/14 03:19 PM (10 years, 24 days ago)

might give that a go.... how risky is the steam steralization method for grains? I have a pretty good canning bath, Like for jams :P


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Re: My first cased pins :) [Re: Cogsy]
    #19377762 - 01/06/14 03:28 PM (10 years, 24 days ago)

50/50.  maybe try the brf thing first.  i still do cakes, and i have a pc.  u can still spawn to bulk with cakes, just follow any bulk tek and substitute the grains for brf.  just double ur spawn cause they are just 1/2 pints (and make sure u get the shirt one, but that is all gone over in the brf tek i linked u to.)


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Re: My first cased pins :) [Re: Cogsy]
    #19377783 - 01/06/14 03:30 PM (10 years, 24 days ago)

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might give that a go.... how risky is the steam steralization method for grains? I have a pretty good canning bath, Like for jams :P



do it for a strait 8 hours and keep some boiling water on hand, i've done a shit load of them now and am yet to lose 1, make sure you have the proper lid for your pot


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Re: My first cased pins :) [Re: cronicr]
    #19377796 - 01/06/14 03:33 PM (10 years, 24 days ago)

and make sure cron is with you FTW!!!  :smile:


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Re: My first cased pins :) [Re: blindingleaf]
    #19380997 - 01/07/14 05:25 AM (10 years, 24 days ago)

Got some updates for ya guys :smile:


Here's the larger casing, going slow but still popping pins :wink:


And finally the first pin on my cakes... Is it a mutant?


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Re: My first cased pins :) [Re: Cogsy]
    #19382284 - 01/07/14 12:44 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

GOOD STUFF!


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Re: My first cased pins :) [Re: cronicr]
    #19386000 - 01/08/14 12:07 AM (10 years, 23 days ago)

Those things look like fucking snickers bars..wtf,lol


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Re: My first cased pins :) [Re: Nakor420]
    #19386470 - 01/08/14 03:43 AM (10 years, 23 days ago)

Updates


Couple of quick questions;
How worried should I be about the side pinning..?
What's that blotchy patch on the stem of the mushroom in the second picture?
Is that slug looking thing on my cake a mutant ?
When abouts should I harvest the biggest mofo... The veil appears to have torn :P


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Re: My first cased pins :) [Re: Cogsy]
    #19386477 - 01/08/14 03:51 AM (10 years, 23 days ago)

lookin good:thumbup:

I wouldn't worry too much about side pinning. It just makes it a little more difficult come harvesting.

As for the blotchy patch, are you referring the the brown or the white at the base of the stem?

Yes that is a mutant, if were looking at the same thing. Also I'd say the bigger one would be ready to harvest in a day 1 to and 1/2 days give or take a little. You'll just have to play it by ear.


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Re: My first cased pins :) [Re: mushmagic]
    #19386489 - 01/08/14 03:59 AM (10 years, 23 days ago)

Cheers! I'm glad to hear it needs longer yet :smile: I was hoping that one would keep on growing forever :wink:
I was referring to the brownish patch :smile:


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Re: My first cased pins :) [Re: Cogsy]
    #19386499 - 01/08/14 04:08 AM (10 years, 23 days ago)

Just keep an eye on it, it might even need to be harvested by partway through tomorrow tho. They can grow quite fast when they're nearing maturity.

As for the brown I'm not quite positive but it looks like it just might be some discoloration on the stem, sometimes it happens.


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Re: My first cased pins :) [Re: mushmagic]
    #19386522 - 01/08/14 04:38 AM (10 years, 23 days ago)

those first 3 pics look great!


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Re: My first cased pins :) [Re: blindingleaf]
    #19391917 - 01/09/14 03:09 AM (10 years, 22 days ago)

I think this might be the mast update before the first harvest :smile:

I'm really happy with the mushrooms on the first casing as it's a MS innoc..I think I'm going to clone some myc from the fluffy bit at the base of the main mushroom mass or maybe some from the biggest fruit... I'm not 100% how it works :') I'll have to do some reading


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Re: My first cased pins :) [Re: Cogsy]
    #19392013 - 01/09/14 03:49 AM (10 years, 22 days ago)

I need to be picking the larger ones soon don't I?


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Re: My first cased pins :) [Re: Cogsy]
    #19392019 - 01/09/14 03:50 AM (10 years, 22 days ago)

I'd say the biggest one is ready to harvest and even possibly the second biggest one. The rest definitely aren't far behind.


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Re: My first cased pins :) [Re: mushmagic]
    #19392022 - 01/09/14 03:53 AM (10 years, 22 days ago)

Should I cut them off? Or give it awhile longer and harvest together... I've never picked one of these and I don't want to end up pulling the whole clump off!! D:


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Re: My first cased pins :) [Re: Cogsy]
    #19392032 - 01/09/14 03:58 AM (10 years, 22 days ago)

It's preference whether you want to harvest them as they're ready or all at the same time. I personally harvest as they're ready. Yes just cut as close to the base as possible (I use a scalpel  for this and even tweezers if it's difficult to reach. Sometimes it's impossible not to uproot nearby fruits so don't worry too much just be careful.


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Re: My first cased pins :) [Re: mushmagic]
    #19392048 - 01/09/14 04:05 AM (10 years, 22 days ago)

I'll knock up a couple LC's then before I harvest :smile: I wanna keep the big guys genetics ;D


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Re: My first cased pins :) [Re: Cogsy]
    #19392062 - 01/09/14 04:10 AM (10 years, 22 days ago)

I'd personally skip the LC and go with agar. LCs are more trouble than they're worth most of the time. You'll never be able to tell if an LC is clean just by looking at it, you'll need to shoot up a couple test jars to find out and if it's not clean then you wasted all that time and you're back to square one.


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Re: My first cased pins :) [Re: mushmagic]
    #19392087 - 01/09/14 04:18 AM (10 years, 22 days ago)

I know man :frown: but I'm just starting this mycological expedition, I really want to work with agar and feel like a proper scientist :wink: but I don't have the resources yet :/ I'm debating wether to get a decent PC on payday or get a mini fridge and start using agar (my parents won't let me keep loads of live petri's in my fridge :P)
But for now I have honey water and mycelium :smile: and I'm 4/4 on my LC's so far.. I'll make a couple to insure I get atleast one :smile:


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Re: My first cased pins :) [Re: Cogsy]
    #19392113 - 01/09/14 04:29 AM (10 years, 22 days ago)

Well best of luck to you in your endeavors and glad to hear you're 4 for 4 on your LCs:thumbup: And yes I'd definitely pick up a PC! An All American wont let you down if your funds allow for it.


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Re: My first cased pins :) [Re: mushmagic]
    #19392163 - 01/09/14 04:52 AM (10 years, 22 days ago)

was looking at an AA 25qt, but that's a fair bit in the UK, 200-250 I think depending on shipping and imort fees D: probably worth it though ;D

that's pounds as well, not dollars D:


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Re: My first cased pins :) [Re: Cogsy]
    #19392191 - 01/09/14 05:03 AM (10 years, 22 days ago)

just a quick question too :P
how viable is agar work in a glovebox? will the still air provide enough protection? or will you end up having to do more petri's before you can get a clean rhizo mycelium?


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Re: My first cased pins :) [Re: Cogsy]
    #19392242 - 01/09/14 05:19 AM (10 years, 22 days ago)

its easy in an SAB.  u will have some transfers to do at times to clean up a culture, and then more transfers to get an isolate.  in ur case, putting clone tissue from the inner stem onto agar , letting it grow to a dime sized piece then making one more transfer to ensure its clean, will be a lot like u making an lc with clone tissue, its not an isolate (though u may get lucky) but its a clean set of genetics that has fruited for u before, and would be glad to fruit for you again :smile:

ps spring for the PC instead of mini fridge!  u need a pc anyway to start agar work.


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Re: My first cased pins :) [Re: blindingleaf]
    #19392363 - 01/09/14 06:04 AM (10 years, 22 days ago)

I'll probably buy an agar kit the same time I get a PC then :') theyre not that expensive.... I'll just hide my petri dishes in my fridge :wink:

just a question about this tissue LC im about to do, taking a very small sample of mycelium should mean I'll be Isolating to minimal different strains yeah? and taking the mycelium from inside the best fruit body should mean that the strains I'll be developing are favourable... theoretically?
or have I missed something..?


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Re: My first cased pins :) [Re: Cogsy]
    #19392436 - 01/09/14 06:35 AM (10 years, 22 days ago)

I'm no expert, but i will try my best to help
yes, by taking a piece of tissue, u r limiting the genetics more than an MS LC.  i would take a piece from a smaller fruit body in a cluster myself, but only because it is set to expand and grow, rather than to produce spores, like with a mature fruit, though i have done both (never to an LC though, be careful) and not noticed a difference on agar anyway (btw smaller fruits and mature fruits) in the rate of growth, just  theoretically makes sense to me.
im not sure what the fact/opinion/experience is on this but i'd say large fruit bodies r equally environmental as much as genetics.  a bulk sub will produce larger fruits because of the water within it, so if u clone  a large fruit from that, and put it in a drier substrate, it will not grow as big, esp when considering it is not a true isolate, just a clone
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Re: My first cased pins :) [Re: blindingleaf]
    #19392471 - 01/09/14 07:00 AM (10 years, 22 days ago)

I get what you're saying :laugh: makes sense, as the pins grow quicker than the bigger ones their mycelium might make a better LC, when it comes down to genetics though, wouldn't you be better off knowing how the mushroom you re 'cloning' act's during it whole life cycle?
and don't smaller mushrooms expand and grow quickly because they are small mushrooms and need to grow? this is just my thoughts but wouldn't the mycelium inside the mushroom be the same mycelium throughout it's life cycle, with the same genetics, and once introduced to agar or LC it will start growing rapidly again? maybe there's a small wait where the mycelium from a larger mushroom has to change what it's doing (from spore creation to colonization)and that would account for the visible increase in growth between the immature and the mature samples? as the immature mycelium is still in its growing period when introduced to LC or agar? I'm new to mycology so I'm probably completely wrong... but they're my attempts scientific thoughts :')


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Re: My first cased pins :) [Re: Cogsy]
    #19392501 - 01/09/14 07:16 AM (10 years, 22 days ago)

yes its nice to know how it will act, but since it is a clone, and more than likely multiple sets of genetics at play, its tough to say from one grow to the next if it will perform similarly, whereas with an isolate, u know it is one set of genetics that will be more predictable. so taking from a mature fruit will let u know how it MIGHT look, but taking from a smaller fruit will (i think) give u theoretically younger, more vigorous mycelium.
as far as the question "is a younger mushroom genetically equivalent to its more mature state?"  I'm not sure, maybe someone can chime in here.  i don't know if, as the fruit matures, it continuously gathers up more genetic material or not, or if it starts to pin, those specific genetics "lock in" so to speak and a pin and its mature future self are identical genetically.


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Re: My first cased pins :) [Re: blindingleaf]
    #19392990 - 01/09/14 10:19 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

lc cloning is a shitty way to go about it, use agar


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Re: My first cased pins :) [Re: cronicr]
    #19395564 - 01/09/14 07:39 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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lc cloning is a shitty way to go about it, use agar



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Re: My first cased pins :) [Re: cronicr]
    #19395621 - 01/09/14 07:49 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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lc cloning is a shitty way to go about it, use agar




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Re: My first cased pins :) [Re: twistedty]
    #19395891 - 01/09/14 08:45 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

Would if I could guys :') already said that I can't.. In my opinion beats making another MS syringe


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Re: My first cased pins :) [Re: Cogsy]
    #19396208 - 01/09/14 10:12 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

Making an LC beats making a spore syringe in your book?

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Re: My first cased pins :) [Re: PussyFart]
    #19397294 - 01/10/14 04:39 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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Making an LC beats making a spore syringe in your book?

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Re: My first cased pins :) [Re: Nakor420]
    #19397478 - 01/10/14 06:21 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

I already have 2 spore syringes for this strain, should've probably mentioned that at some point... Why all the hating? :') I don't have agar(getting it ASAP) it's not like LC doesn't work and isn't effective for inoculation.. I made 3 separate LC's with three different myc samples from the same mushroom.. If they all go to shit and harbour nothing but contaminants then yeah I'll just play it safer in future... I'm just doing what I can with the stuff I have..


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Re: My first cased pins :) [Re: Cogsy]
    #19397635 - 01/10/14 07:19 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

You should hold of on cloning and culture isolations until you get agar...lc is just a waste of time and material for most home cultivators...


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Re: My first cased pins :) [Re: Cogsy]
    #19398075 - 01/10/14 09:41 AM (10 years, 20 days ago)

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I already have 2 spore syringes for this strain, should've probably mentioned that at some point... Why all the hating? :') I don't have agar(getting it ASAP) it's not like LC doesn't work and isn't effective for inoculation.. I made 3 separate LC's with three different myc samples from the same mushroom.. If they all go to shit and harbour nothing but contaminants then yeah I'll just play it safer in future... I'm just doing what I can with the stuff I have..




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Re: My first cased pins :) [Re: spacechildo]
    #19398229 - 01/10/14 10:16 AM (10 years, 20 days ago)

If you are super sterile and careful and only take tissue from the core of the stem without infecting it then it's feasable...but not nearly optimal in terms of risk vs reward..


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Re: My first cased pins :) [Re: Nakor420]
    #19398635 - 01/10/14 11:56 AM (10 years, 20 days ago)

I have a couple LCs but I use them differ than most. I use the LCs when I go on local hunts on private fields with permission of course, I'll take a spare syringe with me also to spray out the LCs in various places I call it "dusting" then when I go back a month later there is some newer growth I cant say its from me but I think im doing something to replace all the ones taken in past years of pickinh, feelin like Johnny Appleseed..... Any thoughts on this?


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Re: My first cased pins :) [Re: Cogsy]
    #19398662 - 01/10/14 12:01 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

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I already have 2 spore syringes for this strain, should've probably mentioned that at some point... Why all the hating? :') I don't have agar(getting it ASAP) it's not like LC doesn't work and isn't effective for inoculation.. I made 3 separate LC's with three different myc samples from the same mushroom.. If they all go to shit and harbour nothing but contaminants then yeah I'll just play it safer in future... I'm just doing what I can with the stuff I have..




not hating just want you to have the best chance for success, LC in my book is becoming outdated.  if you have a pc you can make agar out of house hold items


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Re: My first cased pins :) [Re: twistedty]
    #19398989 - 01/10/14 01:06 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

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I already have 2 spore syringes for this strain, should've probably mentioned that at some point... Why all the hating? :') I don't have agar(getting it ASAP) it's not like LC doesn't work and isn't effective for inoculation.. I made 3 separate LC's with three different myc samples from the same mushroom.. If they all go to shit and harbour nothing but contaminants then yeah I'll just play it safer in future... I'm just doing what I can with the stuff I have..




not hating just want you to have the best chance for success, LC in my book is becoming outdated.  if you have a pc you can make agar out of house hold items



:whathesaid:
lc was a fad for cubes a few years ago but really is not needed for them at all, i can't think of a single reason for any one who has taken there own prints to use one and i will argue any reason given to me lol, and this is coming from someone who uses them on a regular basis:wink:


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Re: My first cased pins :) [Re: cronicr]
    #19399293 - 01/10/14 01:56 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

LC works ok and agar is GREAT, agar is the way to grow, store, clean, isolate, clone and spread your mycelium. You never have to worry of a surpised half thru your grow or worse right before harvest. Like I said earlier I found  that LC works for me when I use it outside in pre-existing fields with horse and cow even goats in them. THIS IS MY ONLY REASON FOR LC.. Agar would be hard to spreadout  and transport around with you outside as easy as a jar full of LC and a syringe spraying out allover ares in the wild. Like Johnny Appleseed of fungi this is a way overstatement of course I have only "dusted" fields that the owner appoves me to be on. Living in S.East makes it alot easier to do more outside things with cubes and others. Does this make anysense to those who are nonLC users. Dont get me wrong agar is the best way handsdown for your mycelium. But does anyone see my point? Am I wasting time?


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Re: My first cased pins :) [Re: sololas]
    #19400402 - 01/10/14 05:44 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

dunno what u mean...u mean that u try to noc up fields of manure so that at a later date u can come back and harvest?
i have been bored and experimenting with lc's.  i only make them with an agar wedge in an SAB, and i only stick the needle in the jar once, then toss it.  I'm still scared every time i do it.  just got x tra time, jars and grains on my hands, so why not?

reading GGMM over x mas made me re think  lc's i guess.  that and when u order edibles from vendors, they send an lc (most of the time, tho u can pick)  i realize they are working in lab conditions, making lc's a lot less risky, but still if u have the determination and understanding, and surplus of time, grains, jars, etc, why not?

i would never noc up an lc with anything except agar tho, thats for sure, esp fruit tissue.
for the record, i don't endorse lc's over agar at all, just bored, playing around here, sharing what i do as i progress in this hobby.


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Re: My first cased pins :) [Re: blindingleaf]
    #19400805 - 01/10/14 07:36 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

Yes I take the LC out in to the fields after it is full of mycelium and spray areas that have somewhat dry poo. I use it all up in one day but maybe spray 5-6 spots, then check back in 2-4 weeks. Had sosome success and to me its possible to take a poo-patty home and try it in the yard, I haven't yet done this part yet. It seems we think alike, to me this is a hobby that offers many ways to get to your fruits and trying experiments like these keep it interesting for me. But This is the only reason I start up the PC to make my LC and watching the mycelium grow inside is always cool, I never bought a mag stirplate. I use agar for all my other mycelium home projects.


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Re: My first cased pins :) [Re: sololas]
    #19400920 - 01/10/14 08:02 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

y not just try to spawn spent substrate (old cakes, old mono's etc) to those fields instead of just the lc?


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Re: My first cased pins :) [Re: blindingleaf]
    #19402828 - 01/11/14 08:56 AM (10 years, 20 days ago)

Old cakes get tossed in hole in back of house but, I could now that you say it, there is just so many ways to spread the fungi and the.LC works for me when im educating friemds about mycelium growth as well as dusting thier properties without costing me, except for the ingredients which I already have except baby bottles. Gonna try the spreading old substrate of PE on rye to CV. I would love to get a pic of PE in the wild,    huh,huh right, righr  , right..........  Thanks for input now for the output, see ya  SO MANY WAYS TO GET YOUR FRUITS.OF LOVE.....


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Re: My first cased pins :) [Re: sololas]
    #19456581 - 01/22/14 08:48 AM (10 years, 9 days ago)

I just realised I never posted any harvest pictures ;

Just over 200g from the first flush, and it contaminated on the second :/
It was from a pes amazonian  MS syringe, and considering it was about a liter of rye grain cased with straight vermiculite I'm berry happy with the results :smile:
Very heavy and potent fruits :smile:

Edit- there's also some sneaky koh samui strain thai at the bottom of the last picture :')


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