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robbinbanks
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air flow to prevent trich?
#19371589 - 01/05/14 07:10 AM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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I read rr notes saying air flow prevents trich, so i have a cabinet i use for colonizing my jars. I cant leave it open all the time so i have decided to buy to battery powered desk fans to circulate the air when its closed, and i was also thinking i would use em when its open too. I didnt use gypsum to balance ph first go around so that might have been the cause for a trich outbreak, and i inoculated using the oven tek (which i later found to be BS). Anways, are the fans going to help prevent trich or not? Im a newby so bare with me
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Re: air flow to prevent trich? [Re: robbinbanks]
#19371611 - 01/05/14 07:20 AM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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A fan is not a substitute for poor technique. what "oven tek" ?
Just do some pf style cakes and properly steam sterilize or pressure cook them before use.
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Re: air flow to prevent trich? [Re: robbinbanks]
#19371612 - 01/05/14 07:21 AM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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For colonizing jars? No. Could you link the quote you are talking about?
PF Jars only really get gas exchange and they should have a dry vermiculite barrier. This should be all the protection they need. If they get trich then it was already there to begin with.
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Re: air flow to prevent trich? [Re: robbinbanks]
#19371613 - 01/05/14 07:21 AM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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robbinbanks said: I read rr notes saying air flow prevents trich, so i have a cabinet i use for colonizing my jars. I cant leave it open all the time so i have decided to buy to battery powered desk fans to circulate the air when its closed, and i was also thinking i would use em when its open too.
Only worry about that when fruiting.....the jars have filters that prevent contaminations during colonization.
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robbinbanks said: Anways, are the fans going to help prevent trich or not?
Not at this point......the jars have filters for a reason.
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robbinbanks
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Re: air flow to prevent trich? [Re: robbinbanks]
#19371638 - 01/05/14 07:28 AM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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Fine vermiculite holds more moisture per volume of measurement than course vermiculite; due to they’re being more of it. The basic formula of 2-1-1 works great with fine or medium vermiculite, but if you're using course vermiculite, you might want to cut down a bit on the water. I've found that cakes as well as grains, and even bulk substrates colonize a bit better and faster if made up on the dry side. With cakes, it's easy to adjust the water down, and then simply do a dunk and roll at birthing to put the moisture in for the flush at that time. If the first batch comes out a bit too wet, simply reduce moisture by 10% to 20% on the next batch until you find the sweet spot. I'd still recommend the occasional fanning. You simply can't have too much air exchange, and the turbulence from fanning helps prevent trich from getting a foothold on your projects. Good luck! PF TEK FC
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Re: air flow to prevent trich? [Re: robbinbanks]
#19371640 - 01/05/14 07:30 AM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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thanks for all your replies, and the oven tek was suppose to be an alternative to a glove box. Which i now know is BS
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robbinbanks
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Re: air flow to prevent trich? [Re: robbinbanks]
#19371643 - 01/05/14 07:31 AM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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Oh, and i plan on grain, so no verm barrier. Is tyvek enough to prevent the trich, if there were no contams during inoculation that is
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indocult
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Re: air flow to prevent trich? [Re: robbinbanks]
#19371648 - 01/05/14 07:33 AM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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Oh... how were your jars sterilized ? For how long?
The dry verm layer is necessary on top as a barrier for contams for cakes.
Edited by indocult (01/05/14 07:35 AM)
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robbinbanks
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Re: air flow to prevent trich? [Re: robbinbanks]
#19371649 - 01/05/14 07:33 AM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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thanks for all your replies, and the oven tek was suppose to be an alternative to a glove box. Which i now know is BS
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robbinbanks
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Re: air flow to prevent trich? [Re: robbinbanks]
#19371650 - 01/05/14 07:34 AM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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Fine vermiculite holds more moisture per volume of measurement than course vermiculite; due to they’re being more of it. The basic formula of 2-1-1 works great with fine or medium vermiculite, but if you're using course vermiculite, you might want to cut down a bit on the water. I've found that cakes as well as grains, and even bulk substrates colonize a bit better and faster if made up on the dry side. With cakes, it's easy to adjust the water down, and then simply do a dunk and roll at birthing to put the moisture in for the flush at that time. If the first batch comes out a bit too wet, simply reduce moisture by 10% to 20% on the next batch until you find the sweet spot. I'd still recommend the occasional fanning. You simply can't have too much air exchange, and the turbulence from fanning helps prevent trich from getting a foothold on your projects. Good luck! PF TEK FC
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Re: air flow to prevent trich? [Re: robbinbanks]
#19371652 - 01/05/14 07:35 AM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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Why are you repeating yourself?
What is in your cabinet now, cakes or grains?
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Re: air flow to prevent trich? [Re: PussyFart]
#19371659 - 01/05/14 07:37 AM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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That note about fanning is for fruiting not colonization
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robbinbanks
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Re: air flow to prevent trich? [Re: PussyFart]
#19371666 - 01/05/14 07:39 AM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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I was trying to backtrack an old post, must have duplicated my post. Anyways i have 10 half pint popcorn, and 8 pf jars
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robbinbanks
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Re: air flow to prevent trich? [Re: indocult]
#19371667 - 01/05/14 07:40 AM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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ya thanks, i just caught that lol...i have been looking for a fan for a couple days ha.
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Re: air flow to prevent trich? [Re: robbinbanks]
#19371670 - 01/05/14 07:41 AM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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Ok so how did you sterilize
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robbinbanks
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Re: air flow to prevent trich? [Re: indocult]
#19371686 - 01/05/14 07:45 AM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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robbinbanks
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Re: air flow to prevent trich? [Re: robbinbanks]
#19371718 - 01/05/14 08:00 AM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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My setup...alreadfy took that fan out...glove box isnt finished
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Re: air flow to prevent trich? [Re: robbinbanks]
#19371730 - 01/05/14 08:05 AM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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Please do not attach the gloves to the box....just wear them....
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Re: air flow to prevent trich? [Re: PussyFart]
#19371745 - 01/05/14 08:14 AM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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k, so like 4 inch holes? where gloves with tyvek sleeves? Im thinking ozium to spray inside box too, will it help?
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Re: air flow to prevent trich? [Re: robbinbanks]
#19371751 - 01/05/14 08:17 AM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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robbinbanks said: k, so like 4 inch holes? where gloves with tyvek sleeves? Im thinking ozium to spray inside box too, will it help?
Still air is still air. Contamination will fall to floor of the box. Spray some lightly soapy water on the walls and bottom. Contams will stick to it. You can spray your ozium but the chemical is just going to settle to the ground with the rest of the contamination in the box.
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robbinbanks
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K, i really appreciate it. Cant wait to start my next batch. Im gonna use rye berries for my spawn, and B+ strain
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