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Lord_McLovin
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Ritual use of psychedelics in the Netherlands
#19371490 - 01/05/14 06:08 AM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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I have just recently moved to the Netherlands for work-related reasons and I would like to know whether you know of any open, collective use of psychedelics in the Netherlands - that I could possibly take part in.
I think it exists, because such use is not illegal for ayahuasca, cacti and psychedelic sclerotia and tolerated for high-dosed, oral Cannabis. So far, I have found out that there are two Santo Daime churches, one in Den Haag and one in Amsterdam. However, I am rather hesitant of associating myself with any religious movement and do not want any particular world view being pushed onto me - as I do not like to push mine onto others.
My personal motivation for using psychedelics is of spiritual, therapeutic and hedonistic nature.
Also note that this is not a request "to score drugs", but rather to find an adequate setting for my use. Availability of the substances is not a problem.
PM me, if you're not comfortable with sharing the information you have publicly.
Thanks, and safe travels.
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Re: Ritual use of psychedelics in the Netherlands [Re: Lord_McLovin]
#19371494 - 01/05/14 06:12 AM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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yes but be prepared to pay 150-250€ per "ceremony" for it. its a business like any other there. Dont like? 
Santo Daime is your choice then
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Re: Ritual use of psychedelics in the Netherlands [Re: rikuni]
#19371608 - 01/05/14 07:20 AM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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Yep, and the only one probably, cant think of any cther groups out here.
Edit, stumbled on this The sacred voyage
Edited by MightyMustache (01/05/14 01:10 PM)
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Re: Ritual use of psychedelics in the Netherlands [Re: MightyMustache]
#19373258 - 01/05/14 02:28 PM (10 years, 25 days ago) |
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Check Meetup. I'm not sure if many Netherlanders use that site, but I have found non-religious groups here in Canada that partake in what you are seeking.
Also, 150-250€? That's crazy! You can procure oral DMT + MAOI (ayahuasca analogues) concoctions for around $6-10 per dose. Of course, you're also paying for preparation and shamanic work, among other things, but I don't think it is worth it.
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Re: Ritual use of psychedelics in the Netherlands [Re: Terratic]
#19373273 - 01/05/14 02:31 PM (10 years, 25 days ago) |
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Terratic said: Check Meetup. I'm not sure if many Netherlanders use that site, but I have found non-religious groups here in Canada that partake in what you are seeking.
Also, 150-250€? That's crazy! You can procure oral DMT + MAOI (ayahuasca analogues) concoctions for around $6-10 per dose. Of course, you're also paying for preparation and shamanic work, among other things, but I don't think it is worth it.
On the other hand they have to pay rent and their workers. Still pretty ridiculous.
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Re: Ritual use of psychedelics in the Netherlands [Re: Aopocetx]
#19375652 - 01/06/14 02:33 AM (10 years, 25 days ago) |
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Aopocetx said:
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Terratic said: Check Meetup. I'm not sure if many Netherlanders use that site, but I have found non-religious groups here in Canada that partake in what you are seeking.
Also, 150-250€? That's crazy! You can procure oral DMT + MAOI (ayahuasca analogues) concoctions for around $6-10 per dose. Of course, you're also paying for preparation and shamanic work, among other things, but I don't think it is worth it.
On the other hand they have to pay rent and their workers. Still pretty ridiculous.
I think this may be what I'm looking for - expertly-guided ayahuasca, or possibly ibogaine, in a ritual setting. It's the guide's time you're buying, not the herbs. I live in the Netherlands and I have an embarrassment of psychedelic drugs in my possession, but I think 150-250€ could be a worthwhile expenditure.
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Re: Ritual use of psychedelics in the Netherlands [Re: lemmingp]
#19375672 - 01/06/14 02:50 AM (10 years, 25 days ago) |
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lemmingp said: I think this may be what I'm looking for - expertly-guided ayahuasca, or possibly ibogaine, in a ritual setting. It's the guide's time you're buying, not the herbs. I live in the Netherlands and I have an embarrassment of psychedelic drugs in my possession, but I think 150-250€ could be a worthwhile expenditure.
That's what a lot of people are looking for when they visit places like Peru, in search of a retreat. No shame in wanting that experience. Personally, though, I just wouldn't want to spend that kind of money on something that would be over in just a few hours; in which case, I'd rather go solo and brew my own.
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Re: Ritual use of psychedelics in the Netherlands [Re: lemmingp]
#19375675 - 01/06/14 02:51 AM (10 years, 25 days ago) |
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Welcome to my country 
There is:
De geweide reis (Aya & Iboga):
http://www.degewijdereis.nl/thuispagina-ayahuasca-transformatie-op-zielsniveau/
Ayahuasca Nederland:
http://www.ayahuascanederland.nl/
Ayahuasca therapie:
http://www.ayahuasca-therapie.nl/
I've also come across quite a few that offer therapeutic/ritualistic/group session truffle sessions. The only one I recall is:
Intro Spectare (mush):
http://introspectare.com/
I hope you enjoy it here mate!
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Re: Ritual use of psychedelics in the Netherlands [Re: GoldenEye]
#19376020 - 01/06/14 06:47 AM (10 years, 25 days ago) |
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Looking at it from a different perspective, you can make that money back in a week but you will probably not ever have an ayahuasca experience with a shaman guiding you.
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Re: Ritual use of psychedelics in the Netherlands [Re: Aopocetx]
#19376453 - 01/06/14 09:08 AM (10 years, 24 days ago) |
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But what defines a shaman?
Sometimes they fly a dude in from the amazon but most of the times its just a full Dutch random person that claims to have enough experience to guide a session.
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Re: Ritual use of psychedelics in the Netherlands [Re: GoldenEye]
#19377498 - 01/06/14 02:27 PM (10 years, 24 days ago) |
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Thanks, guys, you have been quite helpful, especially your post, GoldenEye.
I'll check out the links and see whether I find something that suits me.
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Re: Ritual use of psychedelics in the Netherlands [Re: GoldenEye]
#19377539 - 01/06/14 02:37 PM (10 years, 24 days ago) |
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GoldenEye said: But what defines a shaman?
Sometimes they fly a dude in from the amazon but most of the times its just a full Dutch random person that claims to have enough experience to guide a session.
Well that's true but it would have to be someone that can guide your trip with chants which is what shamans do.
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Re: Ritual use of psychedelics in the Netherlands [Re: Terratic]
#19379095 - 01/06/14 08:02 PM (10 years, 24 days ago) |
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Terratic said: Check Meetup. I'm not sure if many Netherlanders use that site, but I have found non-religious groups here in Canada that partake in what you are seeking.
Also, 150-250€? That's crazy! You can procure oral DMT + MAOI (ayahuasca analogues) concoctions for around $6-10 per dose. Of course, you're also paying for preparation and shamanic work, among other things, but I don't think it is worth it.
What do you mean by meetup?
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Re: Ritual use of psychedelics in the Netherlands [Re: GoldenEye]
#19382321 - 01/07/14 12:53 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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GoldenEye said: Welcome to my country 
There is:
De geweide reis (Aya & Iboga):
http://www.degewijdereis.nl/thuispagina-ayahuasca-transformatie-op-zielsniveau/
Ayahuasca Nederland:
http://www.ayahuascanederland.nl/
Ayahuasca therapie:
http://www.ayahuasca-therapie.nl/
I've also come across quite a few that offer therapeutic/ritualistic/group session truffle sessions. The only one I recall is:
Intro Spectare (mush):
http://introspectare.com/
I hope you enjoy it here mate!
Dank u wel!
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Re: Ritual use of psychedelics in the Netherlands [Re: GoldenEye]
#19382630 - 01/07/14 02:03 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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GoldenEye said: The only one I recall is:
Intro Spectare (mush):
http://introspectare.com/
500€ for one sclerotia trip? Godverdomme!
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Re: Ritual use of psychedelics in the Netherlands [Re: woaronun]
#19382774 - 01/07/14 02:27 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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Yea... people who've never done psychs probably think the experience was well worth the money, while for 10 bucks they can have exactly the same experience if not better
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Re: Ritual use of psychedelics in the Netherlands [Re: woaronun]
#19382786 - 01/07/14 02:31 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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woaronun said:
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GoldenEye said: The only one I recall is:
Intro Spectare (mush):
http://introspectare.com/
500€ for one sclerotia trip? Godverdomme!
I know it's huge.
Makes me rethink my carreer. I wonder how many clients he gets?
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Re: Ritual use of psychedelics in the Netherlands [Re: Lucid Toast]
#19382800 - 01/07/14 02:34 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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Lucid Toast said:
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Terratic said: Check Meetup. I'm not sure if many Netherlanders use that site, but I have found non-religious groups here in Canada that partake in what you are seeking.
Also, 150-250€? That's crazy! You can procure oral DMT + MAOI (ayahuasca analogues) concoctions for around $6-10 per dose. Of course, you're also paying for preparation and shamanic work, among other things, but I don't think it is worth it.
What do you mean by meetup?
http://www.meetup.com
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Re: Ritual use of psychedelics in the Netherlands [Re: GoldenEye]
#19382913 - 01/07/14 02:49 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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So what do you have to do to start, let's say, a Santo Daime church? If I open a place and say we practice this religion, is that all I would need to hold ayahuasca rituals legally? I'm sure it's not so simple..
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Re: Ritual use of psychedelics in the Netherlands [Re: GoldenEye]
#19383031 - 01/07/14 03:06 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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GoldenEye said:
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GoldenEye said: The only one I recall is:
Intro Spectare (mush):
http://introspectare.com/
500€ for one sclerotia trip? Godverdomme!
I know it's huge.
Makes me rethink my carreer. I wonder how many clients he gets?
Makes you wonder huh
500 is completely unreasonable, but i can understand people paying such prices, for most its the "once in a lifetime" factor, not just a dose of ayahuasca and a guide.
Now the Sante Daimo peeps are probably well informed and experienced and (mostly) in it for providing a genuine spiritual experience. But yeah, i doubt there are requirements or licenses involved (right?). Literally any self proclaimed "guru" could start a group.
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Re: Ritual use of psychedelics in the Netherlands [Re: Aopocetx]
#19383815 - 01/07/14 05:15 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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Aopocetx said: So what do you have to do to start, let's say, a Santo Daime church? If I open a place and say we practice this religion, is that all I would need to hold ayahuasca rituals legally? I'm sure it's not so simple..
Good question... I haven't got the slightest idea of any of the legislations involved but I can imagine there are many. This country is quite regulated.
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Re: Ritual use of psychedelics in the Netherlands [Re: GoldenEye]
#19384020 - 01/07/14 05:48 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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I can't imagine paying that price either...
I could have a once in a life time experience with ayahuasca in my backyard. Different strokes, I guess. The Netherlands is calling my name though...they were voted happiest people on earth not long ago, the lucky bastards, then again maybe Colorado will become the US Netherlands.
How is it out there? Plenty of forests or is it all city now? And what's the weather like year round?
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Re: Ritual use of psychedelics in the Netherlands [Re: GoldenEye]
#19386275 - 01/08/14 01:39 AM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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GoldenEye said:This country is quite regulated.
Except it's the only European country that doesn't condemn psychedelics.
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GreyMorph said: How is it out there? Plenty of forests or is it all city now? And what's the weather like year round?
That's the problem for me, the few forests that are left are like man-made parks. There is no wilderness whatsoever. There was one wolf coming into the country last year, the first since 150 years, and he was soon killed by a car. There are settlements everywhere except in the far north. And it doesn't get dark at night because of sick light pollution.
The weather is mild and humid. Sometimes the canals freeze over in winter, but not every year.
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Re: Ritual use of psychedelics in the Netherlands [Re: woaronun]
#19386603 - 01/08/14 05:59 AM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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So what do you have to do to start, let's say, a Santo Daime church? If I open a place and say we practice this religion, is that all I would need to hold ayahuasca rituals legally? I'm sure it's not so simple..
First of all you would have to join the chuchs rituals and I am 100% sure that after that you will rethink your idea of doing ayahusca rituals on your own
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Re: Ritual use of psychedelics in the Netherlands [Re: GreySatyr]
#19386739 - 01/08/14 07:21 AM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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GreyMorph said: How is it out there? Plenty of forests or is it all city now? And what's the weather like year round?
It's all city. Worst aspect of this country. Your life will revolve indoors and for the short summers in city parks.
There are a few national parks or forested areas but they are highly managed and do not feel like nature at all to anyone who has been in remote areas. You will always hear a highway, see cyclists, etc.
The weather is highly variable. I always say, if you don't like the weather in the Netherlands, just wait a couple of minutes. It's literally that volatile. We never have clear skies, there are always fast moving clouds so you're kind of always waiting for the next surprise.
Winters can be cold, they can be mild.(Average of 2 hours of sun per day - due to short days and overcast) Summers van be hot, they can be cold. (Upside is the long days: sunset 22:00 and sunrise 05:00 which means it is only dark between 23:00 and 04:00! Winter is the exact opposite though and therefore quite depressing)
Whatever they are, they are never like that for longer than two weeks straight.
I've never been to a place with stranger weather than us. Maybe the UK (quite similar except a bit worse still I think).
Edited by GoldenEye (01/08/14 07:24 AM)
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Re: Ritual use of psychedelics in the Netherlands [Re: woaronun]
#19386760 - 01/08/14 07:35 AM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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woaronun said: Except it's the only European country that doesn't condemn psychedelics.
What makes you say that?
Yes, we have Santo Daime churches...
But, the psychedelic group sessions I provided links to are by no means legal. They are just not actively persecuted.
Mushrooms are now illegal. It's only that for some retarded reason that no one understands the sclerotia are still available My guess is that it won't be long before they are gone as well.
Psychedelics are by no means socially acceptable, it is still as much stigmatised, viewed as dangerous, weird drug use as anywhere else in the western world.
The country is changing... prostitution is slowly being eliminated as well. The coffeeshops are more and more regulated and shut down.
Soon there will be no red light district, coffeeshops or smartshops selling sclerotia and Amsterdam will lose many of it's tourists.
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Re: Ritual use of psychedelics in the Netherlands [Re: GoldenEye]
#19386786 - 01/08/14 07:49 AM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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GoldenEye said: The country is changing... prostitution is slowly being eliminated as well. The coffeeshops are more and more regulated and shut down.
Soon there will be no red light district, coffeeshops or smartshops selling sclerotia and Amsterdam will lose many of it's tourists.
I don't understand how the government can let that happen. Isn't it true that despite pot being legal, the percentage of drug users is very low? Anyway, like you said those things are responsible for a whole lot of tourism, and coupled with taxes, that's a lot of money that's gonna be taken out of the economy. I guess Colorado is gonna become the new Amsterdam. Sucks though, I still haven't got to experience it.
I'm not expecting an answer to my question. One thing I learned is that government will do stupid shit that goes against logic for some hazy purpose.
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Re: Ritual use of psychedelics in the Netherlands [Re: GoldenEye]
#19386804 - 01/08/14 07:58 AM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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GoldenEye said:
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woaronun said: Except it's the only European country that doesn't condemn psychedelics.
What makes you say that?
Yes, we have Santo Daime churches...
But, the psychedelic group sessions I provided links to are by no means legal. They are just not actively persecuted.
Mushrooms are now illegal. It's only that for some retarded reason that no one understands the sclerotia are still available My guess is that it won't be long before they are gone as well.
Psychedelics are by no means socially acceptable, it is still as much stigmatised, viewed as dangerous, weird drug use as anywhere else in the western world.
The country is changing... prostitution is slowly being eliminated as well. The coffeeshops are more and more regulated and shut down.
Soon there will be no red light district, coffeeshops or smartshops selling sclerotia and Amsterdam will lose many of it's tourists.
It is sad to see. And Sara Glatt who was famous for ibogaine therapy has had a hard time following the deaths of two of her patients.
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Re: Ritual use of psychedelics in the Netherlands [Re: lemmingp]
#19386845 - 01/08/14 08:12 AM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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Well, that kind of makes sense after two deaths.
Wherever people die unnatural deaths, fingers will be pointed.
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Re: Ritual use of psychedelics in the Netherlands [Re: GoldenEye]
#19386865 - 01/08/14 08:21 AM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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GoldenEye said:
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woaronun said: Except it's the only European country that doesn't condemn psychedelics.
What makes you say that?
Yes, we have Santo Daime churches...
But, the psychedelic group sessions I provided links to are by no means legal. They are just not actively persecuted.
Mushrooms are now illegal. It's only that for some retarded reason that no one understands the sclerotia are still available My guess is that it won't be long before they are gone as well.
Psychedelics are by no means socially acceptable, it is still as much stigmatised, viewed as dangerous, weird drug use as anywhere else in the western world.
The country is changing... prostitution is slowly being eliminated as well. The coffeeshops are more and more regulated and shut down.
Soon there will be no red light district, coffeeshops or smartshops selling sclerotia and Amsterdam will lose many of it's tourists.
Compared to pretty much any other country the situation in the Neths is still pretty damn good. A five minute walk from Amsterdam Centraal I can enter a store with sclerotia, growing equipment, DMT plants and other Ayahuasca ingredients, cacti, Alex Grey books and whatnot. Sure they're overpriced but the things are there and visible and available, unlike here in Germany where you will never come across psychedelic stuff in public. Anyone who would offer ayahuasca sessions or guided mushroom trips like the offers mentioned above would go to jail for a long time here.
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Re: Ritual use of psychedelics in the Netherlands [Re: woaronun]
#19386944 - 01/08/14 08:50 AM (10 years, 22 days ago) |
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No forests? Fuck that, I'm stayin here.
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Re: Ritual use of psychedelics in the Netherlands [Re: GreySatyr]
#19386983 - 01/08/14 09:05 AM (10 years, 22 days ago) |
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its actually true, netherlands do not have any real forests at all. Only little parks here and there
i bet its better where you live
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Re: Ritual use of psychedelics in the Netherlands [Re: GreySatyr]
#19386988 - 01/08/14 09:06 AM (10 years, 22 days ago) |
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GreyMorph said: No forests? Fuck that, I'm stayin here.
But don't forget the festivals of your favourite music
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Re: Ritual use of psychedelics in the Netherlands [Re: GoldenEye]
#19387119 - 01/08/14 09:47 AM (10 years, 22 days ago) |
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Oh come on, there's plenty of (wild)nature here! From tidal wetlands to forests to friggin sanddunes.
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Re: Ritual use of psychedelics in the Netherlands [Re: MightyMustache]
#19387131 - 01/08/14 09:51 AM (10 years, 22 days ago) |
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How to identigy a shaman, as the term is, atleast to the natives up here.. you see sparkling eyes...
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Re: Ritual use of psychedelics in the Netherlands [Re: MightyMustache]
#19387162 - 01/08/14 10:00 AM (10 years, 22 days ago) |
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MightyMustache said: Oh come on, there's plenty of (wild)nature here! From tidal wetlands to forests to friggin sanddunes.
I agree on the tidal wetlands. This is the only bit of wilderness that is out there.
I agree that there are "forests" and "sanddunes". But they are all very tiny patches that are very managed and planned. They are also surrounded by civilisation making them crowded and noisy. There is fucking race track in these sand dunes for goodness sake.
Anyone who has ever travelled to remote areas will agree that it has nothing to do with nature... Sad but true.
I still enjoy these places however. Better than nothing and especially the dunes are very unique.
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Re: Ritual use of psychedelics in the Netherlands [Re: lemmingp]
#19387269 - 01/08/14 10:27 AM (10 years, 22 days ago) |
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It is sad to see. And Sara Glatt who was famous for ibogaine therapy has had a hard time following the deaths of two of her patients.
Did she not have a release form freeing her of any responsibility? That's the first thing I would have ready.
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Re: Ritual use of psychedelics in the Netherlands [Re: Aopocetx]
#19387886 - 01/08/14 12:11 PM (10 years, 22 days ago) |
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I could have a once in a life time experience with ayahuasca in my backyard. Different strokes, I guess. The Netherlands is calling my name though...they were voted happiest people on earth not long ago, the lucky bastards, then again maybe Colorado will become the US Netherlands.
Capitalism is taking its grip on this country as well and entire Europe is experiencing a terrible shift to the political right. I've lived in the US as well, and I would say it's not as bad as that yet, but I'm not sure if Europe is going to stop on its path to becoming the 4th Reich in the near future. I might be exaggerating a bit, but I see what's going on in Germany and I know that the rest of Europe will follow suit.
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Anyone who would offer ayahuasca sessions or guided mushroom trips like the offers mentioned above would go to jail for a long time here.
Indeed. Part of the reason why I left the country, among others.
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Re: Ritual use of psychedelics in the Netherlands [Re: Lord_McLovin]
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Lord_McLovin said: but I see what's going on in Germany and I know that the rest of Europe will follow suit.
What exactly do you mean?
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Re: Ritual use of psychedelics in the Netherlands [Re: woaronun]
#19389412 - 01/08/14 05:16 PM (10 years, 22 days ago) |
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The political culture is dead and thus there is a continuous erosion of civil liberties from the government due to over-regulation without any considerable opposition. Overall tolerance for other forms of living declines and nationalism becomes again prevalent. The working class is being exploited, wages decrease while profits increase and people on unemployment benefits are branded as "lazy" and fucked with in all kinds of manners, while denying the reality that the economic system needs unemployed people as much as entrepreneurs to work smoothly. And, yeah, let's not talk about the surveillance on a massive scale that is worse than what the Stasi did.
So, yeah, everything is normal, I guess.
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Re: Ritual use of psychedelics in the Netherlands [Re: Lord_McLovin]
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while denying the reality that the economic system needs unemployed people as much as entrepreneurs to work smoothly.
I always marvel at how little people recognise this.
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Re: Ritual use of psychedelics in the Netherlands [Re: Lord_McLovin]
#19391684 - 01/09/14 01:48 AM (10 years, 22 days ago) |
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Lord_McLovin said: The political culture is dead and thus there is a continuous erosion of civil liberties from the government due to over-regulation without any considerable opposition. Overall tolerance for other forms of living declines and nationalism becomes again prevalent. The working class is being exploited, wages decrease while profits increase and people on unemployment benefits are branded as "lazy" and fucked with in all kinds of manners, while denying the reality that the economic system needs unemployed people as much as entrepreneurs to work smoothly. And, yeah, let's not talk about the surveillance on a massive scale that is worse than what the Stasi did.
So, yeah, everything is normal, I guess. 
Sounds about right. Where do you live now? Is it better there?
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Re: Ritual use of psychedelics in the Netherlands [Re: woaronun]
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I am from germany as well and I can totally agree to what you said about the living conditions here.
The netherlands are quite more liberal.
I assume we have more woods here
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Strassenapotheker said:I assume we have more woods here 
That's right.
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