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Lord_McLovin
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Ritual use of psychedelics in the Netherlands
#19371490 - 01/05/14 06:08 AM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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I have just recently moved to the Netherlands for work-related reasons and I would like to know whether you know of any open, collective use of psychedelics in the Netherlands - that I could possibly take part in.
I think it exists, because such use is not illegal for ayahuasca, cacti and psychedelic sclerotia and tolerated for high-dosed, oral Cannabis. So far, I have found out that there are two Santo Daime churches, one in Den Haag and one in Amsterdam. However, I am rather hesitant of associating myself with any religious movement and do not want any particular world view being pushed onto me - as I do not like to push mine onto others.
My personal motivation for using psychedelics is of spiritual, therapeutic and hedonistic nature.
Also note that this is not a request "to score drugs", but rather to find an adequate setting for my use. Availability of the substances is not a problem.
PM me, if you're not comfortable with sharing the information you have publicly.
Thanks, and safe travels.
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rikuni

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Re: Ritual use of psychedelics in the Netherlands [Re: Lord_McLovin]
#19371494 - 01/05/14 06:12 AM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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yes but be prepared to pay 150-250€ per "ceremony" for it. its a business like any other there. Dont like? 
Santo Daime is your choice then
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MightyMustache
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Re: Ritual use of psychedelics in the Netherlands [Re: rikuni]
#19371608 - 01/05/14 07:20 AM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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Yep, and the only one probably, cant think of any cther groups out here.
Edit, stumbled on this The sacred voyage
Edited by MightyMustache (01/05/14 01:10 PM)
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Terratic
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Re: Ritual use of psychedelics in the Netherlands [Re: MightyMustache]
#19373258 - 01/05/14 02:28 PM (10 years, 25 days ago) |
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Check Meetup. I'm not sure if many Netherlanders use that site, but I have found non-religious groups here in Canada that partake in what you are seeking.
Also, 150-250€? That's crazy! You can procure oral DMT + MAOI (ayahuasca analogues) concoctions for around $6-10 per dose. Of course, you're also paying for preparation and shamanic work, among other things, but I don't think it is worth it.
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Re: Ritual use of psychedelics in the Netherlands [Re: Terratic]
#19373273 - 01/05/14 02:31 PM (10 years, 25 days ago) |
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Terratic said: Check Meetup. I'm not sure if many Netherlanders use that site, but I have found non-religious groups here in Canada that partake in what you are seeking.
Also, 150-250€? That's crazy! You can procure oral DMT + MAOI (ayahuasca analogues) concoctions for around $6-10 per dose. Of course, you're also paying for preparation and shamanic work, among other things, but I don't think it is worth it.
On the other hand they have to pay rent and their workers. Still pretty ridiculous.
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Re: Ritual use of psychedelics in the Netherlands [Re: Aopocetx]
#19375652 - 01/06/14 02:33 AM (10 years, 25 days ago) |
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Aopocetx said:
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Terratic said: Check Meetup. I'm not sure if many Netherlanders use that site, but I have found non-religious groups here in Canada that partake in what you are seeking.
Also, 150-250€? That's crazy! You can procure oral DMT + MAOI (ayahuasca analogues) concoctions for around $6-10 per dose. Of course, you're also paying for preparation and shamanic work, among other things, but I don't think it is worth it.
On the other hand they have to pay rent and their workers. Still pretty ridiculous.
I think this may be what I'm looking for - expertly-guided ayahuasca, or possibly ibogaine, in a ritual setting. It's the guide's time you're buying, not the herbs. I live in the Netherlands and I have an embarrassment of psychedelic drugs in my possession, but I think 150-250€ could be a worthwhile expenditure.
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Terratic
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Re: Ritual use of psychedelics in the Netherlands [Re: lemmingp]
#19375672 - 01/06/14 02:50 AM (10 years, 25 days ago) |
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lemmingp said: I think this may be what I'm looking for - expertly-guided ayahuasca, or possibly ibogaine, in a ritual setting. It's the guide's time you're buying, not the herbs. I live in the Netherlands and I have an embarrassment of psychedelic drugs in my possession, but I think 150-250€ could be a worthwhile expenditure.
That's what a lot of people are looking for when they visit places like Peru, in search of a retreat. No shame in wanting that experience. Personally, though, I just wouldn't want to spend that kind of money on something that would be over in just a few hours; in which case, I'd rather go solo and brew my own.
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Re: Ritual use of psychedelics in the Netherlands [Re: lemmingp]
#19375675 - 01/06/14 02:51 AM (10 years, 25 days ago) |
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Welcome to my country 
There is:
De geweide reis (Aya & Iboga):
http://www.degewijdereis.nl/thuispagina-ayahuasca-transformatie-op-zielsniveau/
Ayahuasca Nederland:
http://www.ayahuascanederland.nl/
Ayahuasca therapie:
http://www.ayahuasca-therapie.nl/
I've also come across quite a few that offer therapeutic/ritualistic/group session truffle sessions. The only one I recall is:
Intro Spectare (mush):
http://introspectare.com/
I hope you enjoy it here mate!
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Re: Ritual use of psychedelics in the Netherlands [Re: GoldenEye]
#19376020 - 01/06/14 06:47 AM (10 years, 25 days ago) |
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Looking at it from a different perspective, you can make that money back in a week but you will probably not ever have an ayahuasca experience with a shaman guiding you.
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GoldenEye
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Re: Ritual use of psychedelics in the Netherlands [Re: Aopocetx]
#19376453 - 01/06/14 09:08 AM (10 years, 25 days ago) |
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But what defines a shaman?
Sometimes they fly a dude in from the amazon but most of the times its just a full Dutch random person that claims to have enough experience to guide a session.
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Lord_McLovin
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Re: Ritual use of psychedelics in the Netherlands [Re: GoldenEye]
#19377498 - 01/06/14 02:27 PM (10 years, 24 days ago) |
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Thanks, guys, you have been quite helpful, especially your post, GoldenEye.
I'll check out the links and see whether I find something that suits me.
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Aopocetx
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Re: Ritual use of psychedelics in the Netherlands [Re: GoldenEye]
#19377539 - 01/06/14 02:37 PM (10 years, 24 days ago) |
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GoldenEye said: But what defines a shaman?
Sometimes they fly a dude in from the amazon but most of the times its just a full Dutch random person that claims to have enough experience to guide a session.
Well that's true but it would have to be someone that can guide your trip with chants which is what shamans do.
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Lucid Toast
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Re: Ritual use of psychedelics in the Netherlands [Re: Terratic]
#19379095 - 01/06/14 08:02 PM (10 years, 24 days ago) |
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Terratic said: Check Meetup. I'm not sure if many Netherlanders use that site, but I have found non-religious groups here in Canada that partake in what you are seeking.
Also, 150-250€? That's crazy! You can procure oral DMT + MAOI (ayahuasca analogues) concoctions for around $6-10 per dose. Of course, you're also paying for preparation and shamanic work, among other things, but I don't think it is worth it.
What do you mean by meetup?
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Re: Ritual use of psychedelics in the Netherlands [Re: GoldenEye]
#19382321 - 01/07/14 12:53 PM (10 years, 24 days ago) |
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GoldenEye said: Welcome to my country 
There is:
De geweide reis (Aya & Iboga):
http://www.degewijdereis.nl/thuispagina-ayahuasca-transformatie-op-zielsniveau/
Ayahuasca Nederland:
http://www.ayahuascanederland.nl/
Ayahuasca therapie:
http://www.ayahuasca-therapie.nl/
I've also come across quite a few that offer therapeutic/ritualistic/group session truffle sessions. The only one I recall is:
Intro Spectare (mush):
http://introspectare.com/
I hope you enjoy it here mate!
Dank u wel!
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Re: Ritual use of psychedelics in the Netherlands [Re: GoldenEye]
#19382630 - 01/07/14 02:03 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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GoldenEye said: The only one I recall is:
Intro Spectare (mush):
http://introspectare.com/
500€ for one sclerotia trip? Godverdomme!
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Re: Ritual use of psychedelics in the Netherlands [Re: woaronun]
#19382774 - 01/07/14 02:27 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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Yea... people who've never done psychs probably think the experience was well worth the money, while for 10 bucks they can have exactly the same experience if not better
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Re: Ritual use of psychedelics in the Netherlands [Re: woaronun]
#19382786 - 01/07/14 02:31 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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woaronun said:
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GoldenEye said: The only one I recall is:
Intro Spectare (mush):
http://introspectare.com/
500€ for one sclerotia trip? Godverdomme!
I know it's huge.
Makes me rethink my carreer. I wonder how many clients he gets?
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Re: Ritual use of psychedelics in the Netherlands [Re: Lucid Toast]
#19382800 - 01/07/14 02:34 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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Lucid Toast said:
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Terratic said: Check Meetup. I'm not sure if many Netherlanders use that site, but I have found non-religious groups here in Canada that partake in what you are seeking.
Also, 150-250€? That's crazy! You can procure oral DMT + MAOI (ayahuasca analogues) concoctions for around $6-10 per dose. Of course, you're also paying for preparation and shamanic work, among other things, but I don't think it is worth it.
What do you mean by meetup?
http://www.meetup.com
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Re: Ritual use of psychedelics in the Netherlands [Re: GoldenEye]
#19382913 - 01/07/14 02:49 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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So what do you have to do to start, let's say, a Santo Daime church? If I open a place and say we practice this religion, is that all I would need to hold ayahuasca rituals legally? I'm sure it's not so simple..
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MightyMustache
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Re: Ritual use of psychedelics in the Netherlands [Re: GoldenEye]
#19383031 - 01/07/14 03:06 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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GoldenEye said:
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GoldenEye said: The only one I recall is:
Intro Spectare (mush):
http://introspectare.com/
500€ for one sclerotia trip? Godverdomme!
I know it's huge.
Makes me rethink my carreer. I wonder how many clients he gets?
Makes you wonder huh
500 is completely unreasonable, but i can understand people paying such prices, for most its the "once in a lifetime" factor, not just a dose of ayahuasca and a guide.
Now the Sante Daimo peeps are probably well informed and experienced and (mostly) in it for providing a genuine spiritual experience. But yeah, i doubt there are requirements or licenses involved (right?). Literally any self proclaimed "guru" could start a group.
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