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Ritual use of psychedelics in the Netherlands
    #19371490 - 01/05/14 06:08 AM (10 years, 26 days ago)

I have just recently moved to the Netherlands for work-related reasons and I would like to know whether you know of any open, collective use of psychedelics in the Netherlands - that I could possibly take part in.

I think it exists, because such use is not illegal for ayahuasca, cacti and psychedelic sclerotia and tolerated for high-dosed, oral Cannabis. So far, I have found out that there are two Santo Daime churches, one in Den Haag and one in Amsterdam. However, I am rather hesitant of associating myself with any religious movement and do not want any particular world view being pushed onto me - as I do not like to push mine onto others.

My personal motivation for using psychedelics is of spiritual, therapeutic and hedonistic nature.

Also note that this is not a request "to score drugs", but rather to find an adequate setting for my use. Availability of the substances is not a problem.

PM me, if you're not comfortable with sharing the information you have publicly.

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Re: Ritual use of psychedelics in the Netherlands [Re: Lord_McLovin]
    #19371494 - 01/05/14 06:12 AM (10 years, 26 days ago)

yes but be prepared to pay 150-250€ per "ceremony" for it. its a business like any other there. Dont like? :philososloth:

Santo Daime  is your choice then:fasted:


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Re: Ritual use of psychedelics in the Netherlands [Re: rikuni]
    #19371608 - 01/05/14 07:20 AM (10 years, 26 days ago)

Yep, and the only one probably, cant think of any cther groups out here.

Edit, stumbled on this The sacred voyage


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Re: Ritual use of psychedelics in the Netherlands [Re: MightyMustache]
    #19373258 - 01/05/14 02:28 PM (10 years, 25 days ago)

Check Meetup. I'm not sure if many Netherlanders use that site, but I have found non-religious groups here in Canada that partake in what you are seeking.

Also, 150-250€? That's crazy! You can procure oral DMT + MAOI (ayahuasca analogues) concoctions for around $6-10 per dose. Of course, you're also paying for preparation and shamanic work, among other things, but I don't think it is worth it.


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Re: Ritual use of psychedelics in the Netherlands [Re: Terratic]
    #19373273 - 01/05/14 02:31 PM (10 years, 25 days ago)

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Terratic said:
Check Meetup. I'm not sure if many Netherlanders use that site, but I have found non-religious groups here in Canada that partake in what you are seeking.

Also, 150-250€? That's crazy! You can procure oral DMT + MAOI (ayahuasca analogues) concoctions for around $6-10 per dose. Of course, you're also paying for preparation and shamanic work, among other things, but I don't think it is worth it.




On the other hand they have to pay rent and their workers. Still pretty ridiculous.


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Re: Ritual use of psychedelics in the Netherlands [Re: Aopocetx]
    #19375652 - 01/06/14 02:33 AM (10 years, 25 days ago)

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Terratic said:
Check Meetup. I'm not sure if many Netherlanders use that site, but I have found non-religious groups here in Canada that partake in what you are seeking.

Also, 150-250€? That's crazy! You can procure oral DMT + MAOI (ayahuasca analogues) concoctions for around $6-10 per dose. Of course, you're also paying for preparation and shamanic work, among other things, but I don't think it is worth it.




On the other hand they have to pay rent and their workers. Still pretty ridiculous.




I think this may be what I'm looking for - expertly-guided ayahuasca, or possibly ibogaine, in a ritual setting. It's the guide's time you're buying, not the herbs. I live in the Netherlands and I have an embarrassment of psychedelic drugs in my possession, but I think 150-250€ could be a worthwhile expenditure.


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Re: Ritual use of psychedelics in the Netherlands [Re: lemmingp]
    #19375672 - 01/06/14 02:50 AM (10 years, 25 days ago)

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lemmingp said:
I think this may be what I'm looking for - expertly-guided ayahuasca, or possibly ibogaine, in a ritual setting. It's the guide's time you're buying, not the herbs. I live in the Netherlands and I have an embarrassment of psychedelic drugs in my possession, but I think 150-250€ could be a worthwhile expenditure.




That's what a lot of people are looking for when they visit places like Peru, in search of a retreat. No shame in wanting that experience. Personally, though, I just wouldn't want to spend that kind of money on something that would be over in just a few hours; in which case, I'd rather go solo and brew my own.


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Re: Ritual use of psychedelics in the Netherlands [Re: lemmingp]
    #19375675 - 01/06/14 02:51 AM (10 years, 25 days ago)

Welcome to my country :smile:

There is:

De geweide reis (Aya & Iboga):

http://www.degewijdereis.nl/thuispagina-ayahuasca-transformatie-op-zielsniveau/

Ayahuasca Nederland:

http://www.ayahuascanederland.nl/

Ayahuasca therapie:

http://www.ayahuasca-therapie.nl/

I've also come across quite a few that offer therapeutic/ritualistic/group session truffle sessions.
The only one I recall is:

Intro Spectare (mush):

http://introspectare.com/


I hope you enjoy it here mate!


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Re: Ritual use of psychedelics in the Netherlands [Re: GoldenEye]
    #19376020 - 01/06/14 06:47 AM (10 years, 25 days ago)

Looking at it from a different perspective, you can make that money back in a week but you will probably not ever have an ayahuasca experience with a shaman guiding you.


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Re: Ritual use of psychedelics in the Netherlands [Re: Aopocetx]
    #19376453 - 01/06/14 09:08 AM (10 years, 25 days ago)

But what defines a shaman?

Sometimes they fly a dude in from the amazon but most of the times its just a full Dutch random person that claims to have enough experience to guide a session.


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Re: Ritual use of psychedelics in the Netherlands [Re: GoldenEye]
    #19377498 - 01/06/14 02:27 PM (10 years, 24 days ago)

Thanks, guys, you have been quite helpful, especially your post, GoldenEye.

I'll check out the links and see whether I find something that suits me.


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Re: Ritual use of psychedelics in the Netherlands [Re: GoldenEye]
    #19377539 - 01/06/14 02:37 PM (10 years, 24 days ago)

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GoldenEye said:
But what defines a shaman?

Sometimes they fly a dude in from the amazon but most of the times its just a full Dutch random person that claims to have enough experience to guide a session.




Well that's true but it would have to be someone that can guide your trip with chants which is what shamans do.


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Re: Ritual use of psychedelics in the Netherlands [Re: Terratic]
    #19379095 - 01/06/14 08:02 PM (10 years, 24 days ago)

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Check Meetup. I'm not sure if many Netherlanders use that site, but I have found non-religious groups here in Canada that partake in what you are seeking.

Also, 150-250€? That's crazy! You can procure oral DMT + MAOI (ayahuasca analogues) concoctions for around $6-10 per dose. Of course, you're also paying for preparation and shamanic work, among other things, but I don't think it is worth it.



  What do you mean by meetup?


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Re: Ritual use of psychedelics in the Netherlands [Re: GoldenEye]
    #19382321 - 01/07/14 12:53 PM (10 years, 24 days ago)

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Welcome to my country :smile:

There is:

De geweide reis (Aya & Iboga):

http://www.degewijdereis.nl/thuispagina-ayahuasca-transformatie-op-zielsniveau/

Ayahuasca Nederland:

http://www.ayahuascanederland.nl/

Ayahuasca therapie:

http://www.ayahuasca-therapie.nl/

I've also come across quite a few that offer therapeutic/ritualistic/group session truffle sessions.
The only one I recall is:

Intro Spectare (mush):

http://introspectare.com/


I hope you enjoy it here mate!




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Re: Ritual use of psychedelics in the Netherlands [Re: GoldenEye]
    #19382630 - 01/07/14 02:03 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

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The only one I recall is:

Intro Spectare (mush):

http://introspectare.com/





500€ for one sclerotia trip? Godverdomme!


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Re: Ritual use of psychedelics in the Netherlands [Re: woaronun]
    #19382774 - 01/07/14 02:27 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

Yea... people who've never done psychs probably think the experience was well worth the money, while for 10 bucks they can have exactly the same experience if not better :picard:


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Re: Ritual use of psychedelics in the Netherlands [Re: woaronun]
    #19382786 - 01/07/14 02:31 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

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woaronun said:
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The only one I recall is:

Intro Spectare (mush):

http://introspectare.com/





500€ for one sclerotia trip? Godverdomme!




I know it's huge.

Makes me rethink my carreer. I wonder how many clients he gets?


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Re: Ritual use of psychedelics in the Netherlands [Re: Lucid Toast]
    #19382800 - 01/07/14 02:34 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

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Lucid Toast said:
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Terratic said:
Check Meetup. I'm not sure if many Netherlanders use that site, but I have found non-religious groups here in Canada that partake in what you are seeking.

Also, 150-250€? That's crazy! You can procure oral DMT + MAOI (ayahuasca analogues) concoctions for around $6-10 per dose. Of course, you're also paying for preparation and shamanic work, among other things, but I don't think it is worth it.



  What do you mean by meetup?




http://www.meetup.com


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Re: Ritual use of psychedelics in the Netherlands [Re: GoldenEye]
    #19382913 - 01/07/14 02:49 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

So what do you have to do to start, let's say, a Santo Daime church? If I open a place and say we practice this religion, is that all I would need to hold ayahuasca rituals legally? I'm sure it's not so simple..


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Re: Ritual use of psychedelics in the Netherlands [Re: GoldenEye]
    #19383031 - 01/07/14 03:06 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

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GoldenEye said:
Quote:

GoldenEye said:
The only one I recall is:

Intro Spectare (mush):

http://introspectare.com/





500€ for one sclerotia trip? Godverdomme!




I know it's huge.

Makes me rethink my carreer. I wonder how many clients he gets?




Makes you wonder huh :idea:

500 is completely unreasonable, but i can understand people paying such prices, for most its the "once in a lifetime" factor, not just a dose of ayahuasca and a guide.

Now the Sante Daimo peeps are probably well informed and experienced and (mostly) in it for providing a genuine spiritual experience. But yeah, i doubt there are requirements or licenses involved (right?). Literally any self proclaimed "guru" could start a group. :nyan:


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