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Hashfinger
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rickjamez20 said: yah the wow going around recently are the shit. They are anywhere from 100-150 in my opinion. 1 puts you in a nice place, 2 is more awesome. 3 is 
I'm thinking these are basically what we see. unperforated, .25 x .25 inch doses. I think them to be about 150 micrograms apiece.
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Most whites nowadays range anywhere from 50-100 commonly.
All whites aren't necessarily WoW either.. WoW stands for white fluff on white paper... chances are you could have some silver quality (nevertheless quality acid)
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lot_justice
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Got my hands on some finally. They're definitely
I have no business speculating a mic range on them, but talking out my ass, I'd say the ones I got my hands on clock in around 100, maybe 110.
2 will have you sociable. 3 you better keep to yourself.
So needless to say,
I'd suggest you drop 7
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alice and you said: Most whites nowadays range anywhere from 50-100 commonly.
All whites are necessarily WoW either.. WoW stands for white fluff on white paper... chances are you could have some silver quality (nevertheless quality acid)
Enjoy those man they've been good to many this past year.
There is no way you could possibly know that with any certainty. And actually the real original family who made "white fluff" does not make it anymore. There is still white L but it is not "white fluff". And there is no way you could know what dosage they are. Anyone with some crystal could easily lay it to watercolor paper. There is crystal from all over that is laid on watercolor. I have had L sourced from amsterdam, canada, check republic, switzerland, and even the U.S.
Additionaly, Pickard was the one who made the silver crystal and since he got busted in 2000 there has not been any silver made
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Re: WoW blotter dosage? [Re: MindDrips]
#19370366 - 01/04/14 09:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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MindDrips said: I've tried the WoW tabs before, they certainly are stellar. I just picked up a strip of the unperforated, and I can't wait to try them out! I might even taste a bit tomorrow.
Does anybody happen to know what the WoW tabs are dosed at? I read somewhere that they were suspected 100-110, but I wasn't positive. I'm just curious if anyone might know, they do feel very potent to me.
Yes, the "dank" west coast WoW blotters are 40-50 mcg. Thats what they are. I know its bursting your bubble but you are not getting anywhere near 100 mcg hits, a little less than half that will be average.
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Re: WoW blotter dosage? [Re: Ellis Dee]
#19370471 - 01/04/14 09:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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And how do you know this sir?
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Re: WoW blotter dosage? [Re: Ellis Dee]
#19370505 - 01/04/14 10:05 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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MindDrips said: I've tried the WoW tabs before, they certainly are stellar. I just picked up a strip of the unperforated, and I can't wait to try them out! I might even taste a bit tomorrow.
Does anybody happen to know what the WoW tabs are dosed at? I read somewhere that they were suspected 100-110, but I wasn't positive. I'm just curious if anyone might know, they do feel very potent to me.
Yes, the "dank" west coast WoW blotters are 40-50 mcg. Thats what they are. I know its bursting your bubble but you are not getting anywhere near 100 mcg hits, a little less than half that will be average.
I am on the west coast and have access to different sources that get their crystal from different places. And there is absolutely no way you could know what dosage they are. There are some that are obviously way stronger and most of them are laid on watercolor paper.
And the best stuff I have had recently, the same crystal was laid to both watercolor and perforated artwork. Your claims have no backing
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In an online thread in the chemistry forum right here at the shroomery a member acquired of actual 10mg LSD crystal and laid it himself on a sheet with an eye dropper for completely certain measured doses. His personal experience is that each hit was a little more than twice as strong as the dank WoW blotters he had access to up until that. Aside from that convincing anecdotal evidence it is also in line with established known effects for various doses of LSD. Also, if this were not the case you would not trip harder on a ten strip than on a 5 strip. 300 mcg doses will induce massive ego loss effects in most people. That is not usually reported from 3 dose trips, but might be in the upper more extreme dose range seen with the WoW blotters. I find this convincing evidence that the doses dealers say are totally fabricated and also to determine more or less the jist of what actual dosage levels are.
"The effective oral dose in human beings ranges from 50-500 micrograms, above which a saturation level may be reached in most users, such that further augmenting the dose will not intensify the effects (Grof 1975; Shulgin 1980B)."
The pharmokinetics are well known and established as facts in scientific literature. If someone claims to be doing 300 mic hits for instance and then relays an experience consistant with a 50 mcg dosage it is easy to determine that they have no idea what they're taking, and with more reports to determine more or less the actual strength of the doses involved.
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And even if Ellis Dee's claims did have some sort of backing, the derogatory tone in the intial comment is downright rude.
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>>>>I am on the west coast and have access to different sources that get their crystal from different places. And there is absolutely no way you could know what dosage they are. There are some that are obviously way stronger and most of them are laid on watercolor paper.
And the best stuff I have had recently, the same crystal was laid to both watercolor and perforated artwork. Your claims have no backing
That is perhaps the case that some are stronger or weaker. I don't doubt you're experienced with west coast acid. I am famaliar with the effects in various dosage ranges and that presents compelling evidence that all advertized doses are always exaggerated to a high level. The best evidence available trip reports, indicate doses in line with what I stated for the best west coast hits. Advertised doses dealers relay are entirely meaningless even if they are believed by the end user. The proof is in the pudding, so to speak.
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Re: WoW blotter dosage? [Re: Ellis Dee]
#19370633 - 01/04/14 10:41 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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300 mcg doses will induce massive ego loss effects in most people. That is not usually reported from 3 dose trips, but might be in the upper more extreme dose range seen with the WoW blotters
I cannot speak for most people, but in the 90's I had some microdots tested to be 200mcg and took 3 without ego loss. Although I must say it was pretty damned intense.
The only time I ever got full ego loss from LSD was on geltabs and I do not know the dosage. I took 2 and 20 minute later I got impatient and took 3 more. I had taken 4 hits of paper and been perfectly fine and then did not realize there could be such a huge difference. I was a young naive 15 year old kid at that time.
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I find this convincing evidence that the doses dealers say are totally fabricated and also to determine more or less the jist of what actual dosage levels are.
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The best evidence available trip reports, indicate doses in line with what I stated for the best west coast hits. Advertised doses dealers relay are entirely meaningless even if they are believed by the end user. The proof is in the pudding, so to speak.
I started taking LSD almost 20 years ago and I can honestly say that in all that time not one single person has ever claimed the L to be any specific dosage. Not once. And I could not really call most of the people I have bought L from "dealers" because I only get it from people that were already close friends. The only time I ever got it from randoms was at the drum circles they had every sunday night in my area in the 90's
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Re: WoW blotter dosage? [Re: Ellis Dee] 1
#19370647 - 01/04/14 10:48 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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100 ug should be a pretty visual experience. 150ug will put sensitive ppl into ego loss, 200ug will put the avg person into ego loss, and 250ug will put the veteran in ego loss. 300ug and above should render most ppl close to incapacitated.
interesting stuff at this link (these are all the blotters the DEA seized and tested from 1976 to 1986): http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd_blotter_microgram_1987.pdf
skip all the way to the bottom and you'll start seeing prints I got as a teenager in high school. those purple dragons at the very bottom (#1967) had a real reputation for being considered strong. I woulda told you they were 150 micrograms easily if I didn't know any better, but as you can see they tested at only 56mcg. I distinctly remember 2 of those being the first time I ever experienced a heavy out-of-control trip on acid in fact.
if you skip up to #1958 you'll see a blotter that's just the number "1" every hit. we used to cut those bitches into quarters. it says they tested from "44-144" mcg, which is quite the difference in dose. must have been laid more than once and we got the strong ones. that was 1987. 
(the legend was that they they were the number 1 on the print because they were the strongest print around. there was another print that said "#26" every hit, and the legend for that one was it was some sort of superior "cleaner, purer" version of LSD called LSD-26. actually doesnt make sense at all)
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Re: WoW blotter dosage? [Re: D.M.T]
#19370660 - 01/04/14 10:52 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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and 250ug will put the veteran in ego loss
You cannot really speak for everyone. Not everyones body is the same. I can handle a lot more than that even if I have not tripped in a while
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Re: WoW blotter dosage? [Re: D.M.T]
#19370663 - 01/04/14 10:53 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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40-200 mics a hit, whatever. I'm still down for a thumbprint
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Well whatever the dosage really is, it feels good enough for me. This felt like the same unperf that I had a few months back, but I wouldn't know for sure if it is from the same batch.
All I know is that 1.5 of these babies had me in complete awe of the nighttime winter energy, and I was tripping for a good amount of time even for only 1.5 tabs.
I think sometime soon I will try taking 3 to see where that takes me; I have never taken more than 2 tabs, and I want to carefully explore just a little bit further.
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lot_justice said: 40-200 mics a hit, whatever. I'm still down for a thumbprint
that's the spirit.
I don't know about you guys but with all the RCs around I'm quite content when I get any LSD.
a guy who's been tripping nearly 20 yrs longer than me passed off 25I-NBOMe to me as LSD at a festival last summer. he was eating 5 of them at a time so he had to know it wasn't L you'd think. . .
dude is an old geezer you can imagine, I used to buy real L off him in the late 80s before he went to prison for selling a couple sheets of those dragons and another print of a wizard's wand (didnt see it on that link) to an undercover cop posed as a high school kid. he did like 5 yrs (well I was already living overseas when he got out anyways) and we never kept in contact til 2008. we kicked it once a year again at fests til last yr he burnt me.
that's when you know the scene is getting bad. :/
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Re: WoW blotter dosage? [Re: D.M.T]
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lot_justice said: 40-200 mics a hit, whatever. I'm still down for a thumbprint
that's the spirit.
I don't know about you guys but with all the RCs around I'm quite content when I get any LSD.
a guy who's been tripping nearly 20 yrs longer than me passed off 25I-NBOMe to me as LSD at a festival last summer. he was eating 5 of them at a time so he had to know it wasn't L you'd think. . .
dude is an old geezer you can imagine, I used to buy real L off him in the late 80s before he went to prison for selling a couple sheets of those dragons and another print of a wizard's wand (didnt see it on that link) to an undercover cop posed as a high school kid. he did like 5 yrs (well I was already living overseas when he got out anyways) and we never kept in contact til 2008. we kicked it once a year again at fests til last yr he burnt me.
that's when you know the scene is getting bad. :/
Sucks he passed that off to you, especially when we're hearing reports of people dropping off 2-3 of them.
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There is no way you could possibly know that with any certainty. And actually the real original family who made "white fluff" does not make it anymore. There is still white L but it is not "white fluff". And there is no way you could know what dosage they are. Anyone with some crystal could easily lay it to watercolor paper. There is crystal from all over that is laid on watercolor. I have had L sourced from amsterdam, canada, check republic, switzerland, and even the U.S.
Additionaly, Pickard was the one who made the silver crystal and since he got busted in 2000 there has not been any silver made
Edited with *aren't. Meant its not necessarily white fluff. But yes I'm aware of its rarity.
Very informative I wasn't aware of Pickard being the sole producer of Silver
alls i know is the whites this past year have been of quality. realistically beginning with 50 is a fair assumption ending in 100 though doubtful that doses will be laid that strong these days.
10,000 doses out of modern gram of crystal compared to the 60s and 70s 4,000 doses speaks for itself, although it obviously varies from pyrex to pyrex
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The 60's and 70's I am sure although I was not there but, even the 90's had some pretty strong doses and it was just so plentiful.
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I demand a resurgence. Get on this CIA
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