Home | Community | Message Board


This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.


Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Shop: Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order   Kraken Kratom Kratom Capsules for Sale   PhytoExtractum Maeng Da Thai Kratom Leaf Powder

Jump to first unread post Pages: 1 | 2 | Next >  [ show all ]
Offlineskatealex2
////////////////
 User Gallery

Registered: 07/04/08
Posts: 18,699
Last seen: 4 months, 19 days
Do you think U.S. would be safe with a strict libertarian President in office?
    #19370695 - 01/04/14 11:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Do you think a libertarian President would make the country safer?

For example someone with Ron Paul type of views on foreign policy.

Do you think leaving other countries right away would benefit the country or do you think they should do it slowly over time?

Even if blowback is true that means the country may want to start leaving other countries and ending wars carefully to look at for blowback effects.  At the end of the day maybe having the top defense systems is what it's about.

Also to address a few things -  the money saved form libertarian policies would probably be big.
Also there are some people that think killing themselves and others who are against their religion will get them 42 virgins in heaven or something like that.



Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblememes
Blessed


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 01/11/05
Posts: 27,785
Loc: In a Tree
Re: Do you think U.S. would be safe with a strict libertarian President in office? [Re: skatealex2]
    #19370703 - 01/04/14 11:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

yes.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleRepertoire89
Cat
Male


Registered: 11/15/12
Posts: 21,773
Re: Do you think U.S. would be safe with a strict libertarian President in office? [Re: skatealex2]
    #19370732 - 01/04/14 11:17 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I think we would be much better off, the only thing I disagree with RP about is currency.  No libertarian will ever be elected though


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleConfucian
...
 User Gallery

Registered: 03/31/09
Posts: 1,741
Loc: USA Flag
Re: Do you think U.S. would be safe with a strict libertarian President in office? [Re: Repertoire89] * 3
    #19370757 - 01/04/14 11:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Him and his hypnotized brainwashed young flock are the type of people that:

1) Would let a house burn down if the owner forgot to pay a $75 payment to the fire department

2) Let someone die in the lobby of the ER or have the paramedics not allow a sick person into an ambulance because they were uninsured / missed a premium.

Ron Paul would be bad for the world, but even worse for the US.


Edited by Confucian (01/04/14 11:25 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblememes
Blessed


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 01/11/05
Posts: 27,785
Loc: In a Tree
Re: Do you think U.S. would be safe with a strict libertarian President in office? [Re: Repertoire89]
    #19370759 - 01/04/14 11:24 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Repertoire89 said:
  No libertarian will ever be elected though



:feelsbadman:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisiblePrisoner#1
Even Dumber ThanAdvertized!
 User Gallery

Registered: 01/22/03
Posts: 193,665
Loc: Pvt. Pubfag NutSuck
Re: Do you think U.S. would be safe with a strict libertarian President in office? [Re: Repertoire89] * 1
    #19370795 - 01/04/14 11:35 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Repertoire89 said:
I think we would be much better off, the only thing I disagree with RP about is currency.  No libertarian will ever be elected though





it's a matter of winning over the electoral college, it's made up of voters,
just a much smaller number than vote in the general elections, we dont need a
libertarian president because the president really isnt much more than a
figurehead, someone that signs bills into laws. if you want to make a change,
start with the people that we actually elect to office. start with congress


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineCrystal G
I'm a teapot


Registered: 06/05/07
Posts: 19,584
Loc: outer space
Last seen: 9 months, 3 hours
Re: Do you think U.S. would be safe with a strict libertarian President in office? [Re: memes] * 4
    #19370797 - 01/04/14 11:36 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Amazing Atheist pretty much sums up my opinion on the CULT of Ron Paul. People only like him on this board because of his drug policy, not because they actually thought about how his economic policies would play out in society. He doesn't even believe in separation of church and state. Fuck that guy!



Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisiblePrisoner#1
Even Dumber ThanAdvertized!
 User Gallery

Registered: 01/22/03
Posts: 193,665
Loc: Pvt. Pubfag NutSuck
Re: Do you think U.S. would be safe with a strict libertarian President in office? [Re: Crystal G]
    #19370811 - 01/04/14 11:39 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Crystal G said:
Amazing Atheist pretty much sums up my opinion on the CULT of Ron Paul. People only like him on this board because of his drug policy




that's the primary reason people liked obama in 2008, they touted Obama as
the one that would legalize marijuana regardless of the few words he actually
spoke on the subject

Quote:

He doesn't even believe in separation of church and state. Fuck that guy!





and who says that makes any difference in any way, it's another non issue
like aborion, abortion is legal in the US because of a supreme court rulling,
no president would be able to overturn that.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineskatealex2
////////////////
 User Gallery

Registered: 07/04/08
Posts: 18,699
Last seen: 4 months, 19 days
Re: Do you think U.S. would be safe with a strict libertarian President in office? [Re: Confucian]
    #19370813 - 01/04/14 11:40 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Repertoire89 said:
I think we would be much better off, the only thing I disagree with RP about is currency.  No libertarian will ever be elected though




I think Rand Paul has a chance if he played his cards right but I think a lot of the public will probably be afraid of some of his views. I also imagine once election season time comes around the media will probably spread a lot of anti libertarian stuff,


Quote:

Confucian said:
Him and his hypnotized brainwashed young flock are the type of people that:

1) Would let a house burn down if the owner forgot to pay a $75 payment to the fire department

2) Let someone die in the lobby of the ER or have the paramedics not allow a sick person into an ambulance because they were uninsured / missed a premium.

Ron Paul would be bad for the world, but even worse for the US.




I don't know about that firefighter link - Glenn Beck used to be anti Ron Paul by the way, but maybe Ron Paul's view on that is the same.  I agree about the second part though, even though I'm not for Government health care system for everyone - as we are seeing now it is messing people's insurance up but I do think in emergency situations it is better that the Government or state helps out then not at all. 

I was a Ron Paul fan last election but I do think he is in his kind of in his own world on some issues. I still think he is more honest than most politicians though and if we cut income taxes like he has proposed and cut down wars the country would be a lot better off.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleRepertoire89
Cat
Male


Registered: 11/15/12
Posts: 21,773
Re: Do you think U.S. would be safe with a strict libertarian President in office? [Re: skatealex2]
    #19370820 - 01/04/14 11:43 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I'd like to vote on individual issues without representatives, the masses are the problem though, any system will reflect that.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinecircularvortex
Bass Head
Male User Gallery

Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 08/31/06
Posts: 12,148
Loc: Flag
Last seen: 5 months, 25 days
Re: Do you think U.S. would be safe with a strict libertarian President in office? [Re: Confucian]
    #19370822 - 01/04/14 11:44 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Confucian said:
Him and his hypnotized brainwashed young flock are the type of people that:

1) Would let a house burn down if the owner forgot to pay a $75 payment to the fire department

2) Let someone die in the lobby of the ER or have the paramedics not allow a sick person into an ambulance because they were uninsured / missed a premium.

Ron Paul would be bad for the world, but even worse for the US.




These are pretty weighted examples.  The owner of the house did not forget, it says in the article they refused it intentionally, thinking their risk of fire wasn't worth the fee. 

In the second example the guy asking the question goes to great lengths to explain that this man has a good job, can afford insurance, and chooses not to have it.

I'm not saying we should start letting houses burn or people die, and I don't think RP does either.  It's more about encouraging smart living.

The first one really kinda bugs me.  Your double wide with trailer electrical hookups...you really didn't think that maybe, just maybe, $75/year is a pretty reasonable service fee?  How much do they pay for electricity and trash removal and water/sewage services in a year?

I mean...this is a service of the city, right?  So it's funded from city coffers, which mostly come from property taxes of people who live within the city limits.  If they gave it to people outside the city limits it wouldn't be fair to the people paying the taxes.  Why should they have to pay for a service that somebody a half a mile outside the city line doesn't?


--------------------
No statements made in any post or message by myself should be construed to mean that I am now, or have ever been, participating in or considering participation in any activities in violation of any local, state, federal, or fashion police laws. All posts are works of fiction.

For well you know that its a fool who plays it cool
By making his world a little colder.

Under closer inspection I realised it was a funky ball of tits from outer space.



Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineCrystal G
I'm a teapot


Registered: 06/05/07
Posts: 19,584
Loc: outer space
Last seen: 9 months, 3 hours
Re: Do you think U.S. would be safe with a strict libertarian President in office? [Re: circularvortex]
    #19370830 - 01/04/14 11:48 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Another Video: The Hypocrisy of Ron Paul (Ha!!! Hilarious!!!)




Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineCrystal G
I'm a teapot


Registered: 06/05/07
Posts: 19,584
Loc: outer space
Last seen: 9 months, 3 hours
Re: Do you think U.S. would be safe with a strict libertarian President in office? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #19370850 - 01/04/14 11:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
and who says that makes any difference in any way, it's another non issue
like aborion, abortion is legal in the US because of a supreme court rulling,
no president would be able to overturn that.




That's the thing. The term libertarian means that they are socially liberal, but fiscally conservative. Ron Paul is NOT a libertarian. He does NOT want people to do whatever they want to do with their bodies. He is a typical neoconservative Republican, the ONLY difference is that he does not support the drug war.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleConfucian
...
 User Gallery

Registered: 03/31/09
Posts: 1,741
Loc: USA Flag
Re: Do you think U.S. would be safe with a strict libertarian President in office? [Re: skatealex2] * 1
    #19370899 - 01/05/14 12:10 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

skatealex2 said:
...and if we cut income taxes like he has proposed and cut down wars the country would be a lot better off.




In the early 90s there were enormous record-breaking deficits (pushing $300 billion per year) and a recession when Bush 1 was in office. He promised he wouldn't raise taxes, but he did. He lost to Clinton in 1992.

Clinton was inaugurated in Jan 1993 and by August of that year taxes went up again. Top rates went all the way to 39.6%. Republican's cried that jobs would be destroyed and the economy would be in ruins.

The deficits disappeared. 23 million jobs were created during Clinton's tenure. And we had surpluses in the fiscal years of 1998, 1999, 2000, and 2001. Just for the record, fiscal year 2001 belongs to Clinton rather than Bush 2 because it ran from October 1, 2000 to September 30, 2001. Clinton got the first 3 months, Bush the latter 9 months but....

Bush's dumb ass comes along and sees these historic surpluses everywhere. At this point we only had a $4.5 trillion federal debt. The Congressional Budget Office crunched the numbers under Clinton's tax rates and projected that the federal deficit would shrink down to $1 trillion by 2011, surpluses each year, totaling trillions of dollars.



So dumb fuck Bush creeps along, and QUOTES THE CBO as further proof that since the federal debt is going to virtually disappear, it's a good time to implement multi-trillion tax cuts.

The retard express, AKA the Heritage Foundation, gathers up their retard crew, and crunches their numbers, and *proved* that the Bush Tax Cuts would create millions upon millions of jobs:


What really happened was Bush 2 created 0 jobs, 1st president in decades to do so pathetically miserable:


Here's a glimpse of the CBO's projections of our national debt in January 2001 (in that fiscal year we had a $128.2 billion surplus):



Here is a good article on the subject entitled, "A Prosperity Easy to Destroy," by Clinton's Treasury Secretary in February 2001, warning about cutting taxes:
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/02/11/opinion/a-prosperity-easy-to-destroy.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm

Because we all know that if the last SURPLUS was in 1969 of a mere $3.2 billion, and we go 30 fucking years straight of deficits until we hit 1998-01 - and finally get back-to-back-to-back years of SURPLUSES, the first thing we got to do is cut taxes by trillions, and then start a couple trillion dollar war.

:mindblown:


Edited by Confucian (01/05/14 12:20 AM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisiblePrisoner#1
Even Dumber ThanAdvertized!
 User Gallery

Registered: 01/22/03
Posts: 193,665
Loc: Pvt. Pubfag NutSuck
Re: Do you think U.S. would be safe with a strict libertarian President in office? [Re: Crystal G] * 3
    #19370928 - 01/05/14 12:20 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Crystal G said:
Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
and who says that makes any difference in any way, it's another non issue
like aborion, abortion is legal in the US because of a supreme court rulling,
no president would be able to overturn that.




That's the thing. The term libertarian means that they are socially liberal, but fiscally conservative. Ron Paul is NOT a libertarian. He does NOT want people to do whatever they want to do with their bodies. He is a typical neoconservative Republican, the ONLY difference is that he does not support the drug war.





and what president is allowing you to do what you want with your body?

gay marriage isnt legal on the federal level
drugs are not legal on the federal level

why cant gays do what they want with their bodies, why cant I

obama hasnt changed these things and clearly he opposes them, except gay
marriage which he opposed until it was politically feasible to support

and it all still has fuckall to do with what a president can and cannot do


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisiblePrisoner#1
Even Dumber ThanAdvertized!
 User Gallery

Registered: 01/22/03
Posts: 193,665
Loc: Pvt. Pubfag NutSuck
Re: Do you think U.S. would be safe with a strict libertarian President in office? [Re: Confucian]
    #19370936 - 01/05/14 12:23 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Confucian said:
Because we all know that if the last SURPLUS was in 1969 of a mere $3.2 billion, and we go 30 fucking years straight of deficits until we hit 1998-01 - and finally get back-to-back-to-back years of SURPLUSES, the first thing we got to do is cut taxes by trillions, and then start a couple trillion dollar war.

:mindblown:





those surpluses were nothing more than number juggling and money transfers
from social security to the federal budget. it wasnt an actual surplus


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineCrystal G
I'm a teapot


Registered: 06/05/07
Posts: 19,584
Loc: outer space
Last seen: 9 months, 3 hours
Re: Do you think U.S. would be safe with a strict libertarian President in office? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #19370948 - 01/05/14 12:27 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
Quote:

Crystal G said:
Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
and who says that makes any difference in any way, it's another non issue
like aborion, abortion is legal in the US because of a supreme court rulling,
no president would be able to overturn that.




That's the thing. The term libertarian means that they are socially liberal, but fiscally conservative. Ron Paul is NOT a libertarian. He does NOT want people to do whatever they want to do with their bodies. He is a typical neoconservative Republican, the ONLY difference is that he does not support the drug war.





and what president is allowing you to do what you want with your body?

gay marriage isnt legal on the federal level
drugs are not legal on the federal level

why cant gays do what they want with their bodies, why cant I

obama hasnt changed these things and clearly he opposes them, except gay
marriage which he opposed until it was politically feasible to support

and it all still has fuckall to do with what a president can and cannot do




I am not talking about what a President is in the power to do. I am talking about as far as BELIEF SYSTEM goes. Which Ron Paul is NOT a libertarian, like so many people claim he is. His social policies and economics policies actually are more reminiscent of the typical neoconservative Republican.

Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
those surpluses were nothing more than number juggling and money transfers
from social security to the federal budget. it wasnt an actual surplus




What are you talking about? If you save money by cutting spending in one avenue, it creates a surplus.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleschwarg
Male


Registered: 07/15/12
Posts: 2,817
Loc: San Diego Flag
Re: Do you think U.S. would be safe with a strict libertarian President in office? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #19370986 - 01/05/14 12:48 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

The media has WAAAAY more influence over things like drug policy than the President. You got these shitheads like Dr. Oz for all these stay at home parents telling them what's "good" and what "isn't." Whereas the president is just seen to pander and campaign to what the general consensus "wants."


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineOthyem
Male


Registered: 04/17/09
Posts: 1,935
Last seen: 3 years, 4 months
Re: Do you think U.S. would be safe with a strict libertarian President in office? [Re: Crystal G]
    #19371137 - 01/05/14 01:45 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Funny, libertarianism appealed to me before I used drugs or registered on these forums. I don't even use drugs currently.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offliner00tuuu123
Now I'm just really piseed
 User Gallery


Registered: 04/20/12
Posts: 8,507
Loc: I'll be there in a minute
Last seen: 7 years, 11 months
Re: Do you think U.S. would be safe with a strict libertarian President in office? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #19371463 - 01/05/14 05:47 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
Quote:

Repertoire89 said:
I think we would be much better off, the only thing I disagree with RP about is currency.  No libertarian will ever be elected though





it's a matter of winning over the electoral college, it's made up of voters,
just a much smaller number than vote in the general elections, we dont need a
libertarian president because the president really isnt much more than a
figurehead, someone that signs bills into laws. if you want to make a change,
start with the people that we actually elect to office. start with congress



You're wrong Pris executive orders circumvent the system of checks an balances that was put into place for just this reason.


--------------------
:kingcrankey: Please report me to a Mod for hurting your punk ass hippie feelings :flipthebird: And all time Champion thread killer.:thatsayes:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: 1 | 2 | Next >  [ show all ]

Shop: Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order   Kraken Kratom Kratom Capsules for Sale   PhytoExtractum Maeng Da Thai Kratom Leaf Powder


Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* My meeting with president Bush Dreamer987 829 2 05/12/04 06:08 PM
by KackleDude
* me for president
( 1 2 3 4 all )
ShroomismM 5,391 69 02/03/05 09:08 PM
by blissedout
* Chill out in the oval office Young_but_cool 1,212 12 11/23/02 02:49 AM
by FlusH
* A vision I had of our future president MOTH 1,175 17 10/29/04 04:05 PM
by ricelicker
* Monitoring period of Probation: Safe to smoke? NextKind 1,043 9 12/22/04 04:01 AM
by Frappy
* The Libertarian Shadow Divison LSDempire 398 0 04/29/05 08:58 AM
by LSDempire
* Strictly Comercial Dreamer987 904 11 06/09/04 08:39 PM
by Gr8fulJ420
* Escape the Office
( 1 2 3 all )
SkorpivoMusterion 2,152 49 10/03/05 07:45 PM
by thegatewaydrug

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: Entire Staff
2,341 topic views. 7 members, 39 guests and 25 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2024 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.028 seconds spending 0.007 seconds on 14 queries.