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FINISHED*The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) Contamination 3/4 * 4
    #19370404 - 01/04/14 09:34 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Decided to give the air pump monotub another shot and my pinset has finally come in.



7 Quarts of Rye spawned with damien5050's easy coir prep and a handful of gypsum.

The placement of the air hoses is a little different this time.  Instead of having them roughly in the middle I decided to put them off center about 75% of the way down each long side of the tub. One on the right and one on the left.

Had my first pin at 6 days, these guys colonized really fast.  Plus it helped that I was using 7 quarts of spawn instead of 5.

New pins showing up every day.:awesome: Keep a look out for another free print contest in the marketplace.

Thorough blueprint of the setup:

EDIT: Okay I know alot of you roll your eyes at this because the traditional monotub is all 'set it and forget it' without any moving parts but here is why I decided to do this.

First off, experimentation.  There weren't a lot (any?) threads that duplicated this setup really. So I decided I would pioneer some of the research in the area. I'd always wanted to make a monotub like this.

Second, it actually uses less electricity than the traditional monotub setup. "LOL But wait Tiger the traditional monotub doesn't use any electricity hahah dumbass!" O rly? A properly dialed in monotub requires a fan circulating air in the room.  I just looked at a simple little fan I have and it uses 120 watts. 

This air pump uses 3.5 watts.

The properly dialed in monotub also requires light in the 6500K spectrum. In my case, I've replaced the regular recessed light in my room with a 100 watt (equivalent) daylight spectrum cfl. It operates as my normal room light and also my grow light meaning I don't have to pay for an extra grow light to be on. It's just the normal light I have which I keep on anyway so my cats have a lit room when I'm gone. (It gets dark out here.)

So electricity usage is actually down and would still be down if 15 other pumps were running the same way.

Third, totes kinda become single use after you cut 6 1.5" holes all over them. You can patch them up I guess but these tiny holes I have could easily be sealed up without anyone noticing leaving me with a perfectly good tote later on when not being used for growing mushrooms.  My money goes further in that regard.

Money though, that is definitely a draw back.  The savings on electricity probably don't make up for the fact that each pump costs 10 dollars and the hoses cost 1.50 each. So this adds 15$ to the cost of each monotub.  However the pump should last a very long time being good enough to get you through many grows. Then again polyfil costs money too and isn't always reusable.

Fourth, one of the most common questions we see on the cultivation forums is about 'stealth grows'.  Because it uses active fresh air exchange it could easily be put in a closet with a blanket over it or something as long as the air has a way of escaping. Add a ribbon of LED lights and this could work great for a stealth bulk grow someday.

Fifth, why the fuck not? We're all here to grow mushrooms.  I'm just having a good time with this :awesome:

Update: 1 / 6 / 14

See. The cat is totally important in the diagram.



gotta kick him off though since he's preventing the air from moving out of the imperfect lid.

First caps coming in.



Uodate: 1/7/14 I got home after a long road trip today and it is time for a fucking harvest:



I actually had already harvested a wet ounce off of this last night because there were caps open and I didn't want to wake up to a sporasplosion if I could help it.  Will post results / wet weight soon. If you have access to the marketplace keep an eye out for a contest for prints.  There will be three print prizes up for grabs (but I won't be able to send them for a few days until I have time to buy a book of stamps and envelopes and nice paper.) The prizes will be for: Closest guess to wet weight. Closest guess to dry weight.  Closest guess to total number of caps.(remember, I've already harvested a wet ounce off of this sub so you won't be able to use the picture alone to count) Whew. Time to put on the gloves. On a side note, I am also going to be cutting as close to the base as I possibly can and after all the full shrooms are off I'm going to be swiping any of the remaining blobbyness which will also be included in the wet and dry weights.  Put on em thinking caps!  Plus I will also post a picture of the harvest from two angles so you don't have to guess right now and MAKE SURE YOUR GUESSES GO IN THE MARKETPLACE THREAD AND NOT HERE.  Any guesses here will not be eligible for reward.

HARVEST COMPLETE:

   


Picture includes all full mushrooms plus a small pile of blobs I removed from the substrate.  I tried to pull the whole thing out a la frank's harvesting method but I felt the substrate starting to break in half as I did it so I just went in with a scalpel and started carving.

Something things I noted: The substrate felt really 'weak' / 'gushy' like this flush had consumed a lot of the nutrients already.  There were lots of side pins because I used a white trash bag for a liner. All the side pins were on the side that was facing the light.  This confirms that light is definitely one of the important pinning triggers.  Pins on the sides were ALMOST non existent while there were absolutely no pins on the back.

When I first saw the shrooms coming in I thought the bottoms looked way to fuzzy but they actually didn't turn out that way. They are very proportional all the way through HOWEVER these shrooms and the ones in the first air pump tub are way denser and meatier than any shroom I've had from PF Tek or a traditional monotub design.  They also didn't grow higher than about 4 inches max.  I hypothesize that this is because the freshest air is being piped in at the substrate level. Therefor the mycelium develops more at the bottom and the caps don't raise too high above the substrate when that's the place where most of their fresh air is.

Update: Contest has begun https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19386409

UPDATE 1/17/2014
Just wanted to bump this thread since it's been a week since the last post.  I've got the second flush almost ready to blossom. I didn't dunk the substrate, just misted the shit out of it when I woke up, on my lunch breaks, and when I got home.  I dialed it back to one hose and it's holding humidity MUCH better now that the second hose isn't piping in air. I think in the future this is going to be a single hose/hole operation instead of the double.  Pictures coming soon.

UPDATE 1/18/2014
So I just met this new girl and she's been spending the night. so I've had to close the closet and keep the grow in there. I did not dunk it.  I just misted the shit out of the substrate for four days after the first harvest (plus one day of no misting and no FAE so it could have undisturbed consolidation time.)

For this flush I also unplugged one of the air hoses.  So just one hose... It held humidity WAY better the entire time.

Because of the girl being over I didn't get to harvest until after the sporasplosion when she went home.  The shrooms were a lot bigger this time. Taller and even meatier and dense than before. There were definitely less of them though.

       


Wet weight 1120.

Update: 1/20/2014

Things look like this:



The air pump is not turned on right now. I'm going to give it another 24 - 36 hours before I start an 8 - 12 hour dunk.

UPDATE 1/22/2014

Got an update from a friend who is currently coming down from a trip.

'It's no wavy cap mind fuck. Pleasant trip with a killer body buzz that reminds me of rolling. I couldn't stop petting my cat'

I'll take that as potency being :thumbup:

UPDATE 1/23/2014

Third flush pins are everywhere.  They are definitely not as numerous as the first two flushes but they are probably 4 - 5 times as many pins as there were for the first air pump tub's third flush.

               


I predict harvest in 5 days...  There are hyphae and new pins forming every day though so at this point it might just be a 'harvest free for all' as the shrooms come in getting every last one I can before contamination comes.

This harvest was completely neglect tek. I never fanned out the tub.  All I did was turn my room light on and off.  Total wet weigh was 2 lbs 1 ounces. Not including a few caps I took for printing.

I harvested in two rounds.  First came these guys that were ready.



Then came these guys the next day.



Sorry about the rotation. I don't know why my camera did that.

There are still a few shrooms that are maturing, maybe 10 or so.  I'll harvest them tomorrow morning but I don't expect them to weigh more than an ounce wet.

I so want to try for a fourth flush. Even If I just got one big monster out of it.

2/17: This tub is still going strong. Flush 5 was 18 grams dry.  Flush number 6 is on the way.  I turned the substrate upside down for this flush because it seemed like there was no more pinning happening on the harvested side. Lo and behold I have pins on the bottom now and they are reaching for the light!  Pictures to come this evening.

2/18: I've hopped back and forth for a while on these things. For flush four and five most of the time there was one hose with the hole plugged up with a little parafilm. I've been almost completely neglect tek at this point until yesterday.

I saw that there was no more pinning happening on the top surface of the substrate but there WAS pinning happening on the sides where had been no previous mushroom growth.  So I figured I'd flip the substrate over and sure enough there were already pins and even some half formed mushrooms.  After I flipped the sub they started growing upwards.  At this point I have also started misting and fanning to try and create some evaporation off the bottom (now the top) of the substrate.  Hoping this will jump start some more pins even if they aren't going to yield much at this point.

Here's flush 6 in progress. I harvested the bigger caps and ones that were ready today and it totaled 80 grams wet.



2/19: More shrooms harvested today. Wet weight 100 grams totaling 180 for this flush so far and there are still a few left to harvest. Probably will happen later in the evening.

     


2/25 Flush seven is now confirmed.



There are actually a few other areas of primordia and tiny pins scattered around the substrate. I'll be happy if I just get two mushrooms out of this though.  If I grow cubes again it's going to be from these Fiji prints.  This strain has been extremely contam resistant.  Fast colonizing.  Great high.  I don't think I'll ever buy another spore syringe.

3/1: Flush 7


Didn't bother to weigh it. I'm sure if it's not more than an ounce or two wet.

3/4 Today I noticed a tiny patch of green about the size of a dime on the tub.  Very obviously contamination. Didn't take pictures since I just want it out.  This tub is done. It performed as well as I could have hoped. Thank you for everyone who posted here.

Edited by elasticaltiger (03/05/14 12:45 AM)

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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #19370474 - 01/04/14 09:53 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

:congrats:


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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: tripdawg420]
    #19370484 - 01/04/14 09:56 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: DannyDGAF]
    #19370491 - 01/04/14 09:59 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: bootster] * 1
    #19370929 - 01/05/14 12:21 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

i must not have been around for round one :justdontknow:


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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: cronicr]
    #19370934 - 01/05/14 12:23 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Nice pinset!

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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: cronicr]
    #19370937 - 01/05/14 12:24 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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i must not have been around for round one :justdontknow:




Then you get NOTHING!

OOoooo fine. You're lucky I'm such a softy. 

Round 1


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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #19370943 - 01/05/14 12:25 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

elasticaltiger said:
Quote:

cronicr said:
i must not have been around for round one :justdontknow:




Then you get NOTHING!

OOoooo fine. You're lucky I'm such a softy. 

Round 1



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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #19370946 - 01/05/14 12:27 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

lol i read it already it's in your similar threads i just don't recall ever seeing it lol
good stuff:rockon:


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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: cronicr] * 1
    #19370969 - 01/05/14 12:40 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I just wanted to post these side by sides.

First A.P. Pins: Second A.P. Pins:

Huge difference. I'm chocking that up to me using the jars while they were fresh instead of letting them consolidate for five weeks though.  Maybe if you guys are lucky you'll get a third round.


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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #19371791 - 01/05/14 08:34 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

So elastical, let me get this straight. You did a mono style grow in a tote with nothing but a 5/16" hole for an air inlet hose, with no holes in the tote.

Do you know the cfm of the pump?

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    #19371872 - 01/05/14 09:06 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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So elastical, let me get this straight. You did a mono style grow in a tote with nothing but a 5/16" hole for an air inlet hose, with no holes in the tote.




Correct.  Except there are two hoses. One on each side. Let me draw you a picture



I was hoping the hoses on opposite ends of each wall would make a kind of 'tornado' shaped circulation of air though I am aware that this is not how it works in reality.  The first time I did it they were right across from each other in the center. This placement just seemed to make more sense than that.

I do not know the CFM of the pump.  It was the cheapest fish tank pump they had at wal mart with two hose connections.

EDIT: Just checked the model online. It says it pumps 'up to' 1200cc of air per minute.

Assuming that number is roughly accurate it means that an empty tub gets and entire fresh air exchange every 52 minutes.  That does not factor in that about a quarter the volume of the tote is taken up by the substrate.

Even if the pump wasn't operating optimally, say 1000 cc per minute then I'd still be getting a full exchange every hour or about 24 full air cycles a day. If you try and roughly factor in the substrate volume it comes out to an exchange every 45 minutes at 1000 cc per minute or 31 cycles.

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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #19371885 - 01/05/14 09:13 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

:smbfacepalm:

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    #19371909 - 01/05/14 09:20 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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:smbfacepalm:




:derp: Can't you just be happy for me? :laugh2:


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Edited by elasticaltiger (01/05/14 09:27 AM)

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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #19372036 - 01/05/14 09:51 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

no...he can't lol


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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: cronicr]
    #19372078 - 01/05/14 10:01 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Edited original post with some interesting tid bits.


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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #19372181 - 01/05/14 10:26 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

have you blown smoke into your chamber to see if thats really what the air is doing? is there a place where the air is being pushed out?


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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: cronicr]
    #19372203 - 01/05/14 10:30 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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have you blown smoke into your chamber to see if thats really what the air is doing? is there a place where the air is being pushed out?




I have not, however the lid on the tub is definitely imperfect so I kinda assumed it would just naturally push the old air out through the top. I know it's not spinning like a tornado though :smirk:

Do you think it would be better if I drilled a single little hole to make sure the air had a fully unobstructed place to escape?

What's the best way to get smoke into the chamber without it just going all over the place?


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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #19372217 - 01/05/14 10:34 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

i do it when it's empty, tested my pan mono out this way lol. just curiuos because in a traditional mono the air comes freely through the top and is forced out the bottom so theres fresh air moving around at the sub level, i used a party fogger to get my pan mono dialed


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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #19372256 - 01/05/14 10:42 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I just held a stick of incense up in front of the pump hoses.  The smoke stayed steady and in a pretty straight stream across the substrate for about 6 inches before beginning to dissipate.

Air coming in has to push the old air somewhere right? Since the lid is imperfect I assume it goes out through there but technically the holes around the hoses are imperfect too so I could seal the area around those with parafilm.


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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #19372275 - 01/05/14 10:47 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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have you blown smoke into your chamber to see if thats really what the air is doing? is there a place where the air is being pushed out?




I have not, however the lid on the tub is definitely imperfect so I kinda assumed it would just naturally push the old air out through the top. I know it's not spinning like a tornado though :smirk:

Do you think it would be better if I drilled a single little hole to make sure the air had a fully unobstructed place to escape?

What's the best way to get smoke into the chamber without it just going all over the place?



iv managed to make a tornado like air current in my GH by simply pointing air hoses into the corners of the GH. I use and ultrasonic fogger for humidity and when it turns on I can see the fog swirling around the entire GH much like a tornado.


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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: cronicr]
    #19372276 - 01/05/14 10:47 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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i do it when it's empty, tested my pan mono out this way lol. just curiuos because in a traditional mono the air comes freely through the top and is forced out the bottom so theres fresh air moving around at the sub level, i used a party fogger to get my pan mono dialed



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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #19372281 - 01/05/14 10:48 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

well wutever the case it's working for ya


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    #19372295 - 01/05/14 10:52 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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have you blown smoke into your chamber to see if thats really what the air is doing? is there a place where the air is being pushed out?




I have not, however the lid on the tub is definitely imperfect so I kinda assumed it would just naturally push the old air out through the top. I know it's not spinning like a tornado though :smirk:

Do you think it would be better if I drilled a single little hole to make sure the air had a fully unobstructed place to escape?

What's the best way to get smoke into the chamber without it just going all over the place?



iv managed to make a tornado like air current in my GH by simply pointing air hoses into the corners of the GH. I use and ultrasonic fogger for humidity and when it turns on I can see the fog swirling around the entire GH much like a tornado.



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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: cronicr]
    #19372300 - 01/05/14 10:53 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Also just realized. We get asked a lot about stealth grows on here.  With some tweaking this could potentially lead to being a nice 'closet grow box' as long as there is a place for air to escape. They also make versions of this pump that are 'ultra silent' though honestly I can't really hear this one.  Figuring out lighting would be one of the main challenges but maybe just a little LED shining into it.  Anne's always raving about blue lights.  :shrug:


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    #19372308 - 01/05/14 10:55 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Also just realized. We get asked a lot about stealth grows on here.  With some tweaking this could potentially lead to being a nice 'closet grow box' as long as there is a place for air to escape. They also make versions of this pump that are 'ultra silent' though honestly I can't really hear this one.  Figuring out lighting would be one of the main challenges but maybe just a little LED shining into it.  Anne's always raving about blue lights.  :shrug:



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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: cronicr]
    #19372327 - 01/05/14 10:59 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Gona have to try this for the first mono. There aint no room for fans  :rabble: in my room. Really I dont like air currents lol

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    #19372337 - 01/05/14 11:01 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

hacker aid he doesn't even use fans these days:justdontknow:


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    #19372368 - 01/05/14 11:07 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I stopped using one as well, got a SGFC too look after these days :lol: However my hybrid monos didn't even notice and with a small adjustment with my poly and my regular monos ain't too concerned either.

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    #19372381 - 01/05/14 11:11 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

yep just looser poly or none at all should cut it(top holes):thumbup:
i like the mono mods i'm seeing these days, i made mine for my pans with 8 1 inch holes and......well i'll go into that another time, nice stuff ET(haha ET)


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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #19372419 - 01/05/14 11:24 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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So elastical, let me get this straight. You did a mono style grow in a tote with nothing but a 5/16" hole for an air inlet hose, with no holes in the tote.




Correct.  Except there are two hoses. One on each side. Let me draw you a picture



I was hoping the hoses on opposite ends of each wall would make a kind of 'tornado' shaped circulation of air though I am aware that this is not how it works in reality.  The first time I did it they were right across from each other in the center. This placement just seemed to make more sense than that.

I do not know the CFM of the pump.  It was the cheapest fish tank pump they had at wal mart with two hose connections.

EDIT: Just checked the model online. It says it pumps 'up to' 1200cc of air per minute.

Assuming that number is roughly accurate it means that an empty tub gets and entire fresh air exchange every 52 minutes.  That does not factor in that about a quarter the volume of the tote is taken up by the substrate.

Even if the pump wasn't operating optimally, say 1000 cc per minute then I'd still be getting a full exchange every hour or about 24 full air cycles a day. If you try and roughly factor in the substrate volume it comes out to an exchange every 45 minutes at 1000 cc per minute or 31 cycles.





Very cool project! I look forward  to seeing the results.

Nice cat!

I've contemplated using an  Oxygen concentrator during fruiting. I'm probably going to try  it at some point and report my findings.

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    #19372614 - 01/05/14 12:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I stopped using one as well, got a SGFC too look after these days :lol: However my hybrid monos didn't even notice and with a small adjustment with my poly and my regular monos ain't too concerned either.




I'm trying to get this right but just can't seem to.
How's your hybrid mono setup? I've tried some 1/5 -> 1/6" holes on top and very loose poly on bottom but I still get chunks of fuzzy feet. :frown:

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    #19372663 - 01/05/14 12:20 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Fuzzy feet can be genetic. I have had fat ass roubust meaty shrooms still exhibit a little fuzz. Here is a shot of my hybrid monos.


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    #19372760 - 01/05/14 12:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Also just realized. We get asked a lot about stealth grows on here.  With some tweaking this could potentially lead to being a nice 'closet grow box' as long as there is a place for air to escape. They also make versions of this pump that are 'ultra silent' though honestly I can't really hear this one.  Figuring out lighting would be one of the main challenges but maybe just a little LED shining into it.  Anne's always raving about blue lights.  :shrug:




Do you have any links to Anne talking about blue lights?

Without knowing what she says, here is what I know about light, spectrum, and photosynthesis.

PAR stands for Photosynthetically active radiation. Par is relevant to all organisms that use photosynthesis.

PAR is found in light spectrums between 400-700 nm. Photosynthesis peaks when the spectrum is between 420-480 nm.

Most blue LEDs come around 450-470nm: producing prime growing spectrums for photosynthetic organism.

Since mushrooms are not photosynthetic, I would love to learn about their relationship to light and spectrum.


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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19372762 - 01/05/14 12:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

It's cool. I have  just decided on my plan for the new year. I've got some isolates coming up. Let's do a side by side comparison of the traditional mono and the air pumps.

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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: MarcusFreeman]
    #19372774 - 01/05/14 12:44 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Also just realized. We get asked a lot about stealth grows on here.  With some tweaking this could potentially lead to being a nice 'closet grow box' as long as there is a place for air to escape. They also make versions of this pump that are 'ultra silent' though honestly I can't really hear this one.  Figuring out lighting would be one of the main challenges but maybe just a little LED shining into it.  Anne's always raving about blue lights.  :shrug:




Do you have any links to Anne talking about blue lights?

Without knowing what she says, here is what I know about light, spectrum, and photosynthesis.

PAR stands for Photosynthetically active radiation. Par is relevant to all organisms that use photosynthesis.

PAR is found in light spectrums between 400-700 nm. Photosynthesis peaks when the spectrum is between 420-480 nm.

Most blue LEDs come around 450-470nm: producing prime growing spectrums for photosynthetic organism.

Since mushrooms are not photosynthetic, I would love to learn about their relationship to light and spectrum.




Just search for 'blue lights' in the forum search and filter by poster anne halonium. I think that's how she spells it. Gotta get off to work now!


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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: MarcusFreeman]
    #19372975 - 01/05/14 01:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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    #19372982 - 01/05/14 01:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

huh? anne and blue lights?



great for fungi and cacti,



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they are very new age......:thumbup:

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    #19373097 - 01/05/14 01:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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    #19373111 - 01/05/14 01:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: cronicr]
    #19373153 - 01/05/14 01:56 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I stopped using one as well, got a SGFC too look after these days :lol: However my hybrid monos didn't even notice and with a small adjustment with my poly and my regular monos ain't too concerned either.



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yep just looser poly or none at all should cut it(top holes):thumbup:
i like the mono mods i'm seeing these days, i made mine for my pans with 8 1 inch holes and......well i'll go into that another time, nice stuff ET(haha ET)




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"IT" is number one on that list



Damn....Im the 46th most ignored shroomerite.....cool.



:rockon: keep up the good work hacker





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    #19373340 - 01/05/14 02:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #19373606 - 01/05/14 03:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

i have thought long and hard about building a self contained monotub. im currently using two SG fruiting chambers with an aquarium air pump. i placed two 18 in air stones at the bottom of the chamber and used aquarium rocks to layer the bottom, approx 2 in deep. i drilled holes in two sides of the chamber and added a drip shield made out of a piece of modified roof cap vent,not pictured (very effective and relatively inexpensive, available at your local home-depot or Lowe's) with the air pump running constant this has been a very effective chamber for fruiting. i am working with grains and will soon be modifying these tubs for use as mono tubs. this is my thoughts as to how i will make this work...



basically the setup will remain the same with a few added pieces, i would add some extra rocks to allow for more water storage and drill a overflow hole about 1/2 in below the top of the rocks. this will ensure that the substrate will not be sitting directly in water. water will then be added to the chamber until it reaches the overflow. i will place two pieces of 2 in PVC pipe about 5-6 in long evenly spaced from the walls of the chamber on top of the rocks, then i will add colonized grain to the chamber making sure not to drop any grain into the PVC pipe as this will be providing air movement and humidity to the chamber, it will also serve as a means of replenishing water supply. a thin casing layer will then be added to the top of the substrate. im assuming that the presence of water alone will keep humidity at more that adequate levels so i may have to place a timer on the air pump to reduce the amount of water condensing and dripping on the top of the substrate. im fairly confident that this would be extremely effective and relatively low maintenance, but i am no expert perhaps a trusted cultivator could give some input.


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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: Phillip J Fry]
    #19373615 - 01/05/14 04:00 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

i would set them cakes on something and not in the water


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    #19373638 - 01/05/14 04:05 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

they are sitting on rocks (about 1/2 above the water), obviously you missed that part of the post.:wink:


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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: Phillip J Fry]
    #19373689 - 01/05/14 04:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

maybe start your own thread:shrug: but i don't see y people wanna keep trying to automate something that only requires a couple mists per day:justdontknow:(not to be a dick i just don't get itlol)


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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: cronicr]
    #19373724 - 01/05/14 04:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

i sorta agree.....
in the 80s we automated everything to the max,
and some really giant systems....

now, we mod nothing.
everything straight. no automation.

for fungi that is......



cacti we mod everything, but do not automate.

peeps dont realize,
a bunch of automted stuff, is a chore, and a parts game on its own,
and if ya dont clean it perfectly after a contam grow....it wil haunt ya.

think about it, we see an "auto martha" a week here.
wheres all the sustained auto marthas from LAST month?
answer is, equip contams, peeps fail to clean it or dump it, it wipes out grows......

ya i know, some peeps get lucky, and some are clean.
now reconcile that with the weekly auto martha count.........
and the outcome over time.

if half the aut0 systems, put out 10% of what they expect,
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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: anne halonium]
    #19373777 - 01/05/14 04:40 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I've got a full time job and two kids so any time i can shave off of my mushroom cultivation is pretty key. also, if nobody tries anything new then how are we supposed to improve our methods? im just going to stop right here because this is beginning to stray off topic.

nice tub tiger, I appreciate your ambition and experimentation.:thumbup:


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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: Phillip J Fry]
    #19373796 - 01/05/14 04:45 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

i still think you should start a thread, worth the discussion right?


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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: Phillip J Fry]
    #19373809 - 01/05/14 04:49 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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any time i can shave off of my mushroom cultivation is pretty key.

also, if nobody tries anything new then how are we supposed to improve our methods?






if your out for time , energy , and ease of supply,
the answer is in violet tek, not automation.

as for new stuf, ya new stuff is great.
peeps build new types of auto boxes here daily.
some even grow a shroom or 2.
some even last a time or 2....
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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: anne halonium]
    #19374878 - 01/05/14 09:25 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I wish you luck on your air pump adventures!

I never could dial stuff in right with it, and it was more effort to clean the hoses and what not.

I did not  come to bash and roll my eyes, I would like to see someone dial this in
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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: indocult]
    #19375661 - 01/06/14 02:43 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Added a picture of my cat on top of the chamber...


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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #19376242 - 01/06/14 08:18 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

My cat loves my tubs also!!!

Is yours an indoor kitty? I felt if I had an outdoor cat my contam rate would skyrocket...

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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: blojo02184]
    #19378049 - 01/06/14 04:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Added picture of first caps coming in.


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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #19378081 - 01/06/14 04:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Those are looking really nice! Seems like you may have that dialed in pretty well.


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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: MarcusFreeman]
    #19378266 - 01/06/14 05:35 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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:didyouseethat:
awe cute cat elesticaltiger.

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Added picture of first caps coming in.



nice mushrooms dude i don't know why you would want to make something so easy so complicated but its looking good so far:rockon:

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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #19378639 - 01/06/14 06:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Added picture of first caps coming in.



are those blob like closes to bottom and looks good

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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: Gr13nMushDude]
    #19385388 - 01/07/14 10:00 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I'm beginning the harvest. Update in first post:



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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #19385407 - 01/07/14 10:03 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I'm beginning the harvest. Update in first post:






Very nice work
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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19385469 - 01/07/14 10:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

prints:begger:
just so no one has to go back
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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: cronicr]
    #19385552 - 01/07/14 10:29 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Since most people are probably going to read the new posts first I'll just post updates in new posts as well as edit the original, just so everyone is on the same page.




I actually had already harvested a wet ounce off of this last night because there were caps open and I didn't want to wake up to a sporasplosion if I could help it.  Will post results / wet weight soon. If you have access to the marketplace keep an eye out for a contest for prints.  There will be three print prizes up for grabs (but I won't be able to send them for a few days until I have time to buy a book of stamps and envelopes and nice paper.) The prizes will be for: Closest guess to wet weight. Closest guess to dry weight.  Closest guess to total number of caps.(remember, I've already harvested a wet ounce off of this sub so you won't be able to use the picture alone to count) Whew. Time to put on the gloves. On a side note, I am also going to be cutting as close to the base as I possibly can and after all the full shrooms are off I'm going to be swiping any of the remaining blobbyness which will also be included in the wet and dry weights.  Put on em thinking caps!  Plus I will also post a picture of the harvest from two angles so you don't have to guess right now and MAKE SURE YOUR GUESSES GO IN THE MARKETPLACE THREAD AND NOT HERE.  Any guesses here will not be eligible for reward.


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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #19385567 - 01/07/14 10:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

:begger:<i'm gonna fire this little guy, at least ten times he never worked for me:frown:


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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: cronicr]
    #19385577 - 01/07/14 10:34 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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:begger:<i'm gonna fire this little guy, at least ten times he never worked for me:(



:lol: your forgetting the panhandlers ratio, 1 in a 100 would be a good one, 1 in 10 is unheard of :lmafo:

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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19385584 - 01/07/14 10:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

gotcha! back to work then!


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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19385645 - 01/07/14 10:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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:begger:<i'm gonna fire this little guy, at least ten times he never worked for me:(



:lol: your forgetting the panhandlers ratio, 1 in a 100 would be a good one, 1 in 10 is unheard of :lmafo:




You jokers make my projects worth posting. If you weren't here the only encouragement I would get would be from Notahacker :lmafo:

I don't give charity but I would say you two have nothing to worry about. Did you see how many caps there were?


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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #19385653 - 01/07/14 10:50 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

:laugh2: YOU ROCKED THAT SHIT ET!


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    #19385686 - 01/07/14 10:55 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #19385703 - 01/07/14 10:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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    #19385915 - 01/07/14 11:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

HARVST COMPLETE:

   


Picture includes all full mushrooms plus a small pile of blobs I removed from the substrate.  I tried to pull the whole thing out a la frank's harvesting method but I felt the substrate starting to break in half as I did it so I just went in with a scalpel and started carving.

Something things I noted: The substrate felt really 'weak' / 'gushy' like this flush had consumed a lot of the nutrients already.  There were lots of side pins because I used a white trash bag for a liner. All the side pins were on the side that was facing the light.  This confirms that light is definitely one of the important pinning triggers.  Pins on the sides were ALMOST non existent while there were absolutely no pins on the back.

When I first saw the shrooms coming in I thought the bottoms looked way to fuzzy but they actually didn't turn out that way. They are very proportional all the way through HOWEVER these shrooms and the ones in the first air pump tub are way denser and meatier than any shroom I've had from PF Tek or a traditional monotub design.  They also didn't grow higher than about 4 inches max.  I hypothesize that this is because the freshest air is being piped in at the substrate level. Therefor the mycelium develops more at the bottom and the caps don't raise too high above the substrate when that's the place where most of their fresh air is.


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Re: Harvest Complete [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #19385940 - 01/07/14 11:51 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

:jokerclap: :kaneclap: :manofapproval:

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Re: Harvest Complete [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19385950 - 01/07/14 11:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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................but i think your side pins came from water gettng inbetween the sub and the liner


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Re: Harvest Complete [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19385951 - 01/07/14 11:55 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

booooom, nice pull there tiger.

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Re: Harvest Complete [Re: twistedty]
    #19386091 - 01/08/14 12:37 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Did you have to mist it at all?


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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins HARVEST BEGINS 1/7 Contest [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #19386341 - 01/08/14 02:23 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)






Great Job. I like your idea of stealth tubs. what size tub did you use for this grow?

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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins HARVEST BEGINS 1/7 Contest [Re: AdrianLee]
    #19386353 - 01/08/14 02:32 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Did you have to mist it at all?




I did mist up to once a day  when the substrate was still pinning. Only when it looked dry. After the pins start growing big the humidity goes through the roof because the hoses struggle to move air through the 'forest'

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Great Job. I like your idea of stealth tubs. what size tub did you use for this grow?




This is a sterlite 66 quart tub from mal wart.

Another thing I noticed was that for some reason the substrate seemed really fragile on this tub compared to the last air pump.  I don't know if it's because this mycelium is just naturally less dense or what but the last time I used to be able to nudge and push the shrooms aside so I could clip them. This time ANY time I brushed up against a shroom with my hand the cap broke and if I nudged it too hard it would uproot a part of the substrate. In the second harvest picture you can see the pile to the right where I saved all the pieces of substrate that inadvertently ripped up just from brushing too close to the stipes.  I've got a wet weight but no cap count yet.  Heading over to the marketplace now.


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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins HARVEST BEGINS 1/7 Contest [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #19386360 - 01/08/14 02:35 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: mushmagic]
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Re: Harvest Complete [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #19386711 - 01/08/14 07:05 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)



beautiful  :munchies:

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    #19386755 - 01/08/14 07:34 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Very Cool!

I am going to try this because I do not want a fan In my room!


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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: rougescientist]
    #19386823 - 01/08/14 08:05 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I wonder if making a hybrid mono with two 1inch holes at substrate, then using the pump to pump air into the top of the mono. That way you are re-creating the mono but with an active system versus a passive one.

My only worry is 2 much FAE, but I found that you can buy air pumps that are adjustable so you can dial it in!


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Re: Harvest Complete [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #19387283 - 01/08/14 10:29 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Something things I noted: The substrate felt really 'weak' / 'gushy' like this flush had consumed a lot of the nutrients already.  There were lots of side pins because I used a white trash bag for a liner. All the side pins were on the side that was facing the light.  This confirms that light is definitely one of the important pinning triggers.  Pins on the sides were ALMOST non existent while there were absolutely no pins on the back.




Light does not cause side pins, light hitting the substrate anywhere will cause it to pin where conditions are good. Based on the fact that you are blowing dry air through this thing on the regular, those side pins are just growing where conditions are best. To me this says that the conditions in the tub were not ideal, it has nothing to do with light.

Also, a "weak" feeling substrate is usually a dry substrate. Sometimes some strains will be "weaker" than others as well.

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When I first saw the shrooms coming in I thought the bottoms looked way to fuzzy but they actually didn't turn out that way. They are very proportional all the way through HOWEVER these shrooms and the ones in the first air pump tub are way denser and meatier than any shroom I've had from PF Tek or a traditional monotub design.  They also didn't grow higher than about 4 inches max.




The small shrooms in abundance means your RH was suffering, due to the air pump. This will dry your substrate out too fast and cause a few of the things you are describing.


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Re: Harvest Complete [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #19388122 - 01/08/14 01:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Nice flush man. 
I don't think light is a pin trigger how you think it is.

In my observation low rh in the fc causes side pins when using a liner, regardless of the color.

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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins HARVEST BEGINS 1/7 Contest [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #19388486 - 01/08/14 02:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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After the pins start growing big the humidity goes through the roof because the hoses struggle to move air through the 'forest'



Nope.  Logic incomplete can lead one astray...

Fruits release high humidity. They're practically like "humidity towers."

These photos are of the same container and were taken at the same time of different sides of it.
No fruits, no condensation:


Same container's other side with large fruits (and another container), lots of moisture and condensation stays, only near the fruits:


Once fruits are so large they no longer need high humidity but rather they provide it via the moisture from the substrate.
But still as knots and tiny pins they're very sensitive to surface mycelium drying in a flash from low humidity and moisture.


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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins HARVEST BEGINS 1/7 Contest [Re: Violet]
    #19388594 - 01/08/14 03:03 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Lol I use those same containers for agar, violet.

also I forgot to ask E T if he mists or not

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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins HARVEST BEGINS 1/7 Contest [Re: Violet]
    #19390101 - 01/08/14 07:25 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Light does not cause side pins, light hitting the substrate anywhere will cause it to pin where conditions are good.




I know light doesn't cause side pins. The second part of your sentence was what I was trying to convey.  I used to think that light didn't matter at all to pinning. 

The area of humidity is always going to be highest between the liner and the substrate.  In this case, the liner didn't fully 'stick' to the sub as it contracted.

So the conditions were ideal in the area around the liner, but the pins only formed on the side that was getting light.  In my previous understanding, I thought that side pins would form around the entire liner regardless of light.  Again, the second part of your sentence was what I was trying to convey.

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After the pins start growing big the humidity goes through the roof because the hoses struggle to move air through the 'forest'



Nope.  Logic incomplete can lead one astray...

Fruits release high humidity. They're practically like "humidity towers."





Thank you for taking the time to post in my thread Violet. :heart:


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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins HARVEST BEGINS 1/7 Contest [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #19390132 - 01/08/14 07:31 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins HARVEST BEGINS 1/7 Contest [Re: cronicr]
    #19390423 - 01/08/14 08:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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hows your cat doing




Actually funny you should ask. I think he may have some kind of lung infection. When he gets excited and purrs too hard he starts coughing so I have to take him to the vet.


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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins HARVEST BEGINS 1/7 Contest [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #19390448 - 01/08/14 08:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

:frown: hope he gets better


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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins HARVEST BEGINS 1/7 Contest [Re: Violet]
    #19390574 - 01/08/14 08:56 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Fruits release high humidity. They're practically like "humidity towers."




I was reading an article about this, apparently they do this to help eject the spores via the currents that are formed when the humidity is released. This in turn helps the spores travel farther.

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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins HARVEST BEGINS 1/7 Contest [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19390581 - 01/08/14 08:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

i read the same article, it's in the pdf library i believe


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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins HARVEST BEGINS 1/7 Contest [Re: cronicr]
    #19399942 - 01/10/14 04:11 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Second, it actually uses less electricity than the traditional monotub setup. "LOL But wait Tiger the traditional monotub doesn't use any electricity hahah dumbass!" O rly? A properly dialed in monotub requires a fan circulating air in the room.  I just looked at a simple little fan I have and it uses 120 watts. 



Actually the traditional monotub doesn't make use of a fan. That's Frank's revised method.

Compared to a normal monotub I don't think it this setup is very practical however it would be interesting to see what kind of effects the placement of the tubes can have on mushroom growth. You could even try something nutty like pumping the air directly into the substrate.


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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins HARVEST BEGINS 1/7 Contest [Re: Kizzle]
    #19401177 - 01/10/14 09:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Woah there Kizzle.  There's unpractical and then there's just plain fucking nuts!  Go take your crazy somewhere else! :wink:


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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins HARVEST BEGINS 1/7 Contest [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #19401316 - 01/10/14 09:43 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Nah just nutty. Fucking nuts would be placing the tubes into the mushrooms themselves :lol:


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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: Kizzle]
    #19401583 - 01/10/14 11:07 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Wet wait was 1196 grams (2.6 lbs)

Dry weight is 150 grams (5.3 ounces)

For a multispore grow I'm going to say I'm satisfied with this tub.  I still have a lot of multispore syringes to use up.  I've got pasty plates colonizing right now that I hope to be isolating soon so that I can actually try to dial this in as a side project.

Frank said that the dry air is going to dry out the substrate. I wonder if I pumped it in above the substrate instead of directly at the same level if it wouldn't be so intense on it.  Thoughts from the peanut gallery?  Any ideas?  Yes I know that 'building a regular monotub' is the ideal solution but I actually want to see if this can be dialed in successfully.  The potential for closet stealth grows that people ask for all the time is there.  Even at this point 5.3 ounces for a closet grow would be a pretty good haul I think.  But I want to get it yielding 6 oz at least and 8 on average.


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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #19431592 - 01/17/14 01:37 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Just wanted to bump this thread since it's been a week since the last post.  I've got the second flush almost ready to blossom. I didn't dunk the substrate, just misted the shit out of it when I woke up, on my lunch breaks, and when I got home.  I dialed it back to one hose and it's holding humidity MUCH better now that the second hose isn't piping in air. I think in the future this is going to be a single hose/hole operation instead of the double.  Pictures coming soon.


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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: rougescientist]
    #19432792 - 01/17/14 11:26 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I wonder if making a hybrid mono with two 1inch holes at substrate, then using the pump to pump air into the top of the mono. That way you are re-creating the mono but with an active system versus a passive one.

My only worry is 2 much FAE, but I found that you can buy air pumps that are adjustable so you can dial it in!





I think this might be a good idea to help the sub not get so dried out like what was happening.. Maybe even put the pump on a timer? so its not consitantly blowing are in.. idk just some ideas. I like the idea tho. I read a cupple threads about people hooking up humidifiers to there tub. like here http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6967150/fpart/1/vc/1/nt/5
I wanted to try this but seemed people more so thought it wasnt worth the time and effort and got talked out of it.


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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: cronicr] * 1
    #19433126 - 01/17/14 12:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Just wanted to say GREAT JOB! I feel you had the right enviroment for those things to get that large and uniform in size. This thread is getting me alot questions I had answered. Like using two entrypositions on the FC trying to create the airflow needed while also not drying our your substrate. By you saying your substate was turning mush would indicate that mosture was in ther cake, which also make some sense because you said that the mushroom would pull the substrate up with it while harvesting. Anyways great job balancing your RH in a new chamber, gonna try that one with my P.Envy that are close to going in this week so this helped me make my decision on how im gonna achieve my perfect RH enviroment  in my situation..

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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: sololas] * 1
    #19440322 - 01/18/14 11:29 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

So I just met this new girl and she's been spending the night. so I've had to close the closet and keep the grow in there. I did not dunk it.  I just misted the shit out of the substrate for four days after the first harvest (plus one day of no misting and no FAE so it could have undisturbed consolidation time.)

For this flush I also unplugged one of the air hoses.  So just one hose... It held humidity WAY better the entire time.

Because of the girl being over I didn't get to harvest until after the sporasplosion when she went home.  The shrooms were a lot bigger this time. Taller and even meatier and dense than before. There were definitely less of them though.

       


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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #19440341 - 01/18/14 11:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Because of the girl being over I didn't get to harvest until after the sporasplosion when she went home. 



so one before and after she left! BOOM!:laugh2:
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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: cronicr]
    #19440358 - 01/18/14 11:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Because of the girl being over I didn't get to harvest until after the sporasplosion when she went home. 



so one before and after she left! BOOM!:laugh2:
nice flush bro!




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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #19440385 - 01/18/14 11:44 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: MudaFuka]
    #19440476 - 01/19/14 12:07 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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keep up the nice work.:africaface:




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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #19440707 - 01/19/14 01:11 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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    #19441010 - 01/19/14 03:17 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Harvest Complete [Re: FrankHorrigan] * 1
    #19441088 - 01/19/14 04:08 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I'm drunk tonight for the first time in days so I don't care what the community thinks of me for posting this...

I tried something different from the popular teks.  That's all it was.  I just wanted to try something different. Every part of this tek has been composed from the perspective of an experiment.

I have received so much good will from fellow shroomerites in the form of replies and personal messages.  I have a few people that cheer me on to keep going for it.  People throwing up the horns and telling me good job... 

Yet the people who were the most helpful to me when I first started growing suddenly have no words of wisdom. They have no advice for me.
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(The name of this poster used to be Notahacker420

There is no friendly hand.  There is no idea on how to dial this in. There is only criticism or even less.  There is only telling me that what I am doing is not ideal.

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To me this says that the conditions in the tub were not ideal.





These are quotes from two of the people I looked up to the most when I first started growing.  I ate up their words.  Now I go to do something out of the ordinary simply for the sake of 'climbing mountains' and there is no encouragement.  There are no ideas (from these people who probably COULD have the BEST ideas about how to make it better)

Way to encourage me guys.  You were kinda my heroes and now you just look like douchebags who like to be right all the time. I had so much respect for the both of you. I defended you at every place I could and quoted you and linked to you because I believed in what you taught.

But no... There is no help from you. No ideas on how to adjust the method I'm attempting, you could have even suggested putting the air pump on a timer so that there wasn't such constant dry air being pumped in.

It's just enough for you to tell me I'm doing something wrong but it certainly isn't worth five seconds of your time to type a quick suggestion that doesn't read 'build a proper SGFC'

Even Violet who get's criticized every fucking day by you corrected some information but withheld judgement on what I was doing.

For fucks sake, anne halonium gave me what is possibly the closest thing to a fucking compliment she ever has even after I publicly told her that I wanted her to 'fucking die' and that I hoped she'd die and that I hoped I could pull the fucking trigger to kill her and she STILL managed to actually say something that didn't make me feel completely wrong.

It just blows my mind that I can post this:

And this: 

And this:

And this:

Hmmm... a tub full of perfectly uniform sized fruits with a relatively even pinset and DENSE stems from a NON SPONSOR MULTISPORE SYRINGE, who's wet to dry ratio was closer to 84% than 90...

With literally not a SINGLE abort I could find...

...and the only response from the most respected growers out there is scorn for using a method that they don't.

CLEARLY I AM DOING SOMETHING WRONG. THESE MUSHROOMS ARE OBVIOUSLY TERRIBLE.

At least I'm  TRYING something different and not rewriting other peoples teks...

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    #19441337 - 01/19/14 06:45 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I think what you just accomplished is unreal. "Mean people suck" don't let'em get to y'all. Some people are so set in their way that they can't see past the front doors of their house. Remember why you tackled the task in the first place, THEY really had no say so in your endeavor. You should feel proud of your accomplisment most on here will never come up with your results even with years dedicated to the cause.  Enjoy your fruits cause you labored for them...

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Re: Harvest Complete [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #19441459 - 01/19/14 07:42 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I'm also going against the grain and doing an "air pump mono" my biggest concern right now is not drying the sub.

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    #19441473 - 01/19/14 07:48 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I'm also going against the grain and doing an "air pump mono" my biggest concern right now is not drying the sub.



You could easily solve that problem by not using a pump.

:rolleyes:

Monotubs are already set and forget....no need to reinvent the wheel here.

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    #19441484 - 01/19/14 07:53 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

If nobody tried to reinvent the wheel we would still be using buggies and horses.

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Re: Harvest Complete [Re: fourleaf033]
    #19441491 - 01/19/14 07:56 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

This is true, but there is nothing to gain by adding a small air pump to a monotub that is already supposed to be getting constant FAE.

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    #19441497 - 01/19/14 07:59 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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There is no friendly hand.  There is no idea on how to dial this in. There is only criticism or even less.  There is only telling me that what I am doing is not ideal.

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To me this says that the conditions in the tub were not ideal.





These are quotes from two of the people I looked up to the most when I first started growing.  I ate up their words.  Now I go to do something out of the ordinary simply for the sake of 'climbing mountains' and there is no encouragement.  There are no ideas (from these people who probably COULD have the BEST ideas about how to make it better)

Way to encourage me guys.  You were kinda my heroes and now you just look like douchebags who like to be right all the time. I had so much respect for the both of you. I defended you at every place I could and quoted you and linked to you because I believed in what you taught.



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    #19441502 - 01/19/14 08:01 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I use a pretty large air pump. I'm getting close to 9 air changes an hour.

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    #19441565 - 01/19/14 08:32 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I'm also going against the grain and doing an "air pump mono" my biggest concern right now is not drying the sub.



You could easily solve that problem by not using a pump.

:rolleyes:




That's just it though, I'm not even sure it is a 'problem' to be solved.  In fact the only reason I even said that is because it was franks suggestion. The tub held humidity fine this time around. There was no dunk.  Yield was roughly the same.  That doesn't really sound like the sub got dried out on the first run through...
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Yeah... except for the whole closet stealth grow with a blanket thrown over it... yeah we're always telling people how great shotgun chambers and monotubs do concealed in closets and covered up (which this one was.)


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    #19441886 - 01/19/14 10:21 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Experimentation buddy.    Not a hacker and Frank were both noobs  not too long ago.  they copy cat people like agar  doc t  magash  roadkill etc.  And then experiment from their ideas.
he best tubs on this site are automated with air pump and humidifier , 11-12 oz flushes every time.

problem is no one does them because the set and forget style works and its really easy with less maintenance.

ill try and fins a link to one of the threads that inspired my first automated mono.

and remember we are all noobs,
not dissing Frank, I like what he does and I wouldn't have considered dunking my grains before seeing him do it.
but I feel like too many people give him credit for things that were not his ideas.

Now, I recommend hooking up an ultra sonic on a timer to that tub! 

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    #19441945 - 01/19/14 10:44 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14767791#14767791
or ill just double post :smile:
My problem with the humidiffier was my timer.  My timers shortest increment was 30 mins on and 30 mins off

that was way too long  and my sub was always drenched.  I ran into a major snag, lost all that equipment andhad to start over from scratch a few months later.

For the time being, set and forget is working for me, but I know an auto dialed in perfectly would drastically out perform a neglect mono.

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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #19442027 - 01/19/14 11:05 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Nice work ElasticT! Amazing flush! :omgz:

I hear you on the humidity! I have a Shotgun FC and its totally drying out my cakes. It seems to evaporate the moisture right out the FC. I am thinking of trying this air pump monotub. I might put two pumps, one for just air, one for humidity.


Anyway, you've down right perfected humidity and FAE, a not-so-easy task.

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    #19442066 - 01/19/14 11:16 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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    #19442401 - 01/19/14 12:44 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I think I'm going to let the substrate consolidate for a couple days and then dunk for a third flush.


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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #19442405 - 01/19/14 12:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I think I'm going to let the substrate consolidate for a couple days and then dunk for a third flush.



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    #19450682 - 01/20/14 11:57 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

how things lookin today, ET?

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    #19450769 - 01/21/14 12:10 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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    #19451198 - 01/21/14 02:19 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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They look like this:



The air pump is not turned on right now. I'm going to give it another 24 - 36 hours before I start an 8 - 12 hour dunk.


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    #19453126 - 01/21/14 02:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I wonder if making a hybrid mono with two 1inch holes at substrate, then using the pump to pump air into the top of the mono. That way you are re-creating the mono but with an active system versus a passive one.

My only worry is 2 much FAE, but I found that you can buy air pumps that are adjustable so you can dial it in!





I think this might be a good idea to help the sub not get so dried out like what was happening.. Maybe even put the pump on a timer? so its not consitantly blowing are in.. idk just some ideas. I like the idea tho. I read a cupple threads about people hooking up humidifiers to there tub. like here http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6967150/fpart/1/vc/1/nt/5
I wanted to try this but seemed people more so thought it wasnt worth the time and effort and got talked out of it.





Just btw i got a tub that just hit 11 days . Im wanting to try this. The issue i have is Setting up the polyfill and fan in a closet so that it has correct FAE. Which seems like its hard to get it zero'd in. I also believe i put the side holes to high. If this works. To me it seems not even having to mess with a fan and polyfil is going to save me a ton of hassle and messing around. This seems like a even easier set and forget. Ill be happy if i get anything over 3z a tub. Ill link you when i get the write up done?


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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: alex591955]
    #19456200 - 01/22/14 04:47 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

The substrate is dunking. Will remove from water in about 12 - 16 hours depending on when I finish my errands tomorrow.

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I wonder if making a hybrid mono with two 1inch holes at substrate, then using the pump to pump air into the top of the mono. That way you are re-creating the mono but with an active system versus a passive one.

My only worry is 2 much FAE, but I found that you can buy air pumps that are adjustable so you can dial it in!





I think this might be a good idea to help the sub not get so dried out like what was happening.. Maybe even put the pump on a timer? so its not consitantly blowing are in.. idk just some ideas. I like the idea tho. I read a cupple threads about people hooking up humidifiers to there tub. like here http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6967150/fpart/1/vc/1/nt/5
I wanted to try this but seemed people more so thought it wasnt worth the time and effort and got talked out of it.





Just btw i got a tub that just hit 11 days . Im wanting to try this. The issue i have is Setting up the polyfill and fan in a closet so that it has correct FAE. Which seems like its hard to get it zero'd in. I also believe i put the side holes to high. If this works. To me it seems not even having to mess with a fan and polyfil is going to save me a ton of hassle and messing around. This seems like a even easier set and forget. Ill be happy if i get anything over 3z a tub. Ill link you when i get the write up done?




I'd love to see what you come up with I've switched from using two hoses on mine to only one and it seems to hold humidity much better.


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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #19456209 - 01/22/14 04:53 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Got an update from a friend who is currently coming down from a trip.

'It's no wavy cap mind fuck. Pleasant trip with a killer body buzz that reminds me of rolling. I couldn't stop petting my cat'

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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #19456839 - 01/22/14 10:11 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

So im gonna also case it with some jiffy seed starter. That should help keep that moisture at a good level for the pins. Ill try one tube as well from the begining.  I think i rememeber seeing you saying you fanned and misted only once a day. Is that correct? Also what sized tube are you using? But that was when you had the two hoses. So ill just watch and tamper with it as i go. Hit day 12 today so im gonna case it for a few days and toss that air pump in there. Ill get some pics up tomorrow and a link.Im excited cause if this works ill be able to stack tubes in a closet with no fan:)

What do you think about running a hose from side to side. But every inche or so put a hole and tape off the end. Make it like a garden hose for air. That way the air placement is even across the tub. But looking at your pin set it doesnt seem like it will matter that much. Or another idea would be to get a y splitter so that you still get the same amount of air from one hose but can place it like you have the two hoses but still only have the flow of one.


Reading about the pumps. I found this one http://www.walmart.com/ip/Aqua-Culture-20-60-Gallon-Double-Outlet-Aquarium-Air-Pump-1-Ct-Fish-Aquatic-Pets/10532634

Is that about what you got? I wonder if the 1200cc air output is each hose? or all together... so 600cc a tube.


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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: alex591955]
    #19457024 - 01/22/14 10:49 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Be careful using 2 air intake ports in your FC. He dropped one of them only using one because it would drop his RH too much during FAE. One should work or like someone suggested one airline for FAE and one maybe as a humidifier.  Otherwise your substrate might dry out to quick.

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    #19457110 - 01/22/14 11:15 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I was wanting to take the one he has in there now. Put a "y" on it so that there would be two intakes. But still the same air, just split 50/50. The thing is that his pin set and growth looks perfect so im not gonna change what he did. Just use one instead. Just putting some more ideas out there.


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    #19457186 - 01/22/14 11:38 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

No doubt, I like the idea too maybe if the FC was bigger then maybe two FAE intakes. Also a lot of air pump timers run for 15 min unless you can find and afford one with shorter times which would be great in using two intakes of FAE to help dial in a larger tub. That's kinda where I was thinking it could work for me doing a larger mono that is somewhat automated.

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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: alex591955]
    #19457559 - 01/22/14 01:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Tub finished it's dunk today.

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So im gonna also case it with some jiffy seed starter. That should help keep that moisture at a good level for the pins. Ill try one tube as well from the begining.  I think i rememeber seeing you saying you fanned and misted only once a day. Is that correct? Also what sized tube are you using? But that was when you had the two hoses. So ill just watch and tamper with it as i go. Hit day 12 today so im gonna case it for a few days and toss that air pump in there. Ill get some pics up tomorrow and a link.Im excited cause if this works ill be able to stack tubes in a closiet with no fan:)

What do you think about running a hose from side to side. But every inche or so put a hole and tape off the end. Make it like a garden hose for air. That way the air placement is even across the tub. But looking at your pin set it doesnt seem like it will matter that much. Or another idea would be to get a y splitter so that you still get the same amount of air from one hose but can place it like you have the two hoses but still only have the flow of one.


Reading about the pumps. I found this one http://www.walmart.com/ip/Aqua-Culture-20-60-Gallon-Double-Outlet-Aquarium-Air-Pump-1-Ct-Fish-Aquatic-Pets/10532634

Is that about what you got? I wonder if the 1200cc air output is each hose? or all together... so 600cc a tube.




I am going to get to all of your questions but I'm running out the door right now so here's a few.

I thought about doing the line of hose through there but I feel for now I want to experiment with single point of entry for the air but you'd be welcome to try the other way. My gut tells me though that you're not going to get the right kind of air movement with a bunch of little holes who's pressure dissipates the further down the line you go.

It is a 66 quart sterilite tub.  I use a 100 watt equivolent daylight spectrum CFL in the recessed socket just in front of the closet.  It's on about 16 hours  - off 8.

Yes I did fan and mist up to once a day for the first flush (I think I fanned twice one day for when there were a lot of knots. I really wanted that sweet pinset but I don't know if one or two extra fanning session's would really show improvement or not)

I don't know if casing is really necessary even for this setup but I'd bet really excited to see someone try it!  As long as there isn't too much dry air though the tub should hold humidity fine.

The Y splitter sounds like a good idea for creating multiple entry points without risking too much drying.


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    #19457565 - 01/22/14 01:15 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

PS. Alex, Yes, that is the same pump I have.


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    #19458207 - 01/22/14 03:44 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Great stuff tiger...

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    #19463396 - 01/23/14 04:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: Yuri.Pono]
    #19465892 - 01/24/14 01:58 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Edited original post with this.

Third flush pins are everywhere.  They are definitely not as numerous as the first two flushes but they are probably 4 - 5 times as many pins as there were for the first air pump tub's third flush.

               


I predict harvest in 5 days...  There are hyphae and new pins forming every day though so at this point it might just be a 'harvest free for all' as the shrooms come in getting every last one I can before contamination comes.

Thanks everyone for so much support and so many people saying they wanted to try this. I've gotten so many encouraging PM's from people asking me which kind of equipment I used / showing me ideas for other equipment that has potential. For anyone else attempting this I would just say:

'use your gut'

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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #19489179 - 01/28/14 11:05 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

This harvest was completely neglect tek. I never fanned out the tub.  All I did was turn my room light on and off.  Total wet weigh was 2 lbs 1 ounces. Not including a few caps I took for printing.

I harvested in two rounds.  First came these guys that were ready.



Then came these guys the next day.



Sorry about the rotation. I don't know why my camera did that.

There are still a few shrooms that are maturing, maybe 10 or so.  I'll harvest them tomorrow morning but I don't expect them to weigh more than an ounce wet.

I so want to try for a fourth flush. Even If I just got one big monster out of it.


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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #19491402 - 01/29/14 01:18 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Nice 3rd flush man!  You turned off the pump for the last flush? Or wha do you mean by neglect
I always get that staggered maturing on 3&4th flush.  mine is spread out over like 5 days from the first mature cap to the last.

you gonna dunk that bad boy or just mist it hardcore?

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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: indocult]
    #19491740 - 01/29/14 02:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

did you case this and if so with what?

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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: fourleaf033]
    #19492355 - 01/29/14 04:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Nice 3rd flush man!  You turned off the pump for the last flush? Or wha do you mean by neglect
I always get that staggered maturing on 3&4th flush.  mine is spread out over like 5 days from the first mature cap to the last.

you gonna dunk that bad boy or just mist it hardcore?




The yeah harvest staggered over three days.  In fact I harvested 10 more caps this morning. About three wet ounces worth. The pump was still on though.  After the I wish I had mopped up more of the water from the last dunk. I'm definitely not going to dunk again. I might mist it though the substrate still feels pretty wet.  I definitely want to get a fourth flush out of it considering I don't have any projects ready to put into fruiting at the moment.

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did you case this and if so with what?




There was no casing layer. This was 7 quarts of rye spawned to coir and verm.


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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #19579222 - 02/17/14 10:50 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

2/17: This tub is still going strong. Flush 5 was 18 grams dry.  Flush number 6 is on the way.  I turned the substrate upside down for this flush because it seemed like there was no more pinning happening on the harvested side. Lo and behold I have pins on the bottom now and they are reaching for the light!  Pictures to come this evening.


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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #19579458 - 02/17/14 11:55 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

This post has made me switch to airpump  as all the benefits you have listed outweigh the cons. Thanks


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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #19579466 - 02/17/14 11:56 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Wow I'm amazed that this grow is still going. You've really managed to get all you can out of that tub. Good job!


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    #19579582 - 02/17/14 12:33 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Damn. Thats a great setup. Like seriously nice job! So let me get this straight, the only holes in the tub, were the ones where the air pumps are attached?

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    #19580558 - 02/17/14 03:31 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Damn. Thats a great setup. Like seriously nice job! So let me get this straight, the only holes in the tub, were the ones where the air pumps are attached?




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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) FLUSH 5 Harvest COMPLETE 2/17 [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #19584539 - 02/18/14 10:24 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

So now that you've removed one pump, did you seal up the old hole or are you leaving it for air evacuation?

also have you thought about capping the end of a hose and poking little holes in the thing and stringing it around the perimeter of the tub? Im not sure if it would be powerful enough but I am thinking about giving something like that a try.

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    #19584757 - 02/18/14 11:37 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

So i ended up moving to a new place. Landlord found out we have a dog:/ But good news is i am ready for 4 or 5 tubs. Putting them together tonight and using this method. Ill throw up a grow log and connect my link when i get there.


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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) FLUSH 5 Harvest COMPLETE 2/17 [Re: b4n4n4r4m4]
    #19585038 - 02/18/14 12:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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So i ended up moving to a new place. Landlord found out we have a dog:/ But good news is i am ready for 4 or 5 tubs. Putting them together tonight and using this method. Ill throw up a grow log and connect my link when i get there.




Alex I'm excited to hear that. I really hope this method will work for others and that it's not just me or some specific circumstances of my apartment that has made this successful.

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So now that you've removed one pump, did you seal up the old hole or are you leaving it for air evacuation?

also have you thought about capping the end of a hose and poking little holes in the thing and stringing it around the perimeter of the tub? Im not sure if it would be powerful enough but I am thinking about giving something like that a try.

post new pictures!




I've hopped back and forth for a while on these things. For flush four and five most of the time there was one hose with the hole plugged up with a little parafilm. I've been almost completely neglect tek at this point until yesterday.

I saw that there was no more pinning happening on the top surface of the substrate but there WAS pinning happening on the sides where had been no previous mushroom growth.  So I figured I'd flip the substrate over and sure enough there were already pins and even some half formed mushrooms.  After I flipped the sub they started growing upwards.  At this point I have also started misting and fanning to try and create some evaporation off the bottom (now the top) of the substrate.  Hoping this will jump start some more pins even if they aren't going to yield much at this point.

Here's flush 6 in progress. I harvested the bigger caps and ones that were ready today and it totaled 80 grams wet.



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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) FLUSH 5 Harvest COMPLETE 2/17 [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #19585072 - 02/18/14 01:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

looking good. Iv been flipping my subs between flushes for a while now it has worked well for me.


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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) FLUSH 5 Harvest COMPLETE 2/17 [Re: MudaFuka]
    #19587143 - 02/18/14 08:32 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I have flipped subs and have it pay off but,  I have found that it my flipped flush is uusually my last. Regardless nice result ET. I could never pull that setup off with my climate but, it looks to be working for you. I would like to see what happens if you cased it.

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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19590416 - 02/19/14 03:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

2/19: More shrooms harvested today. Wet weight 100 grams totaling 180 for this flush so far and there are still a few left to harvest. Probably will happen later in the evening.

     


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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #19590432 - 02/19/14 03:28 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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    #19590446 - 02/19/14 03:33 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: MudaFuka]
    #19591539 - 02/19/14 07:18 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Elasticaltiger, this is an awesome thread! I am just now finding it after you have had all the fun of a most bountiful harvest. I will try this method soon. Your yield is much better than my first and only attempt at a Fiji monotub. Last year, I got a Fiji print from a well respected Shroomery member. I grew it out because there is not a lot of info the Fiji strain online and I was curious about it. I have grown many multispore monotubs. My method is agar (isolated twice to insure no contamination) to rye grain to coco coir/ vermiculite in traditional monotub with polyfill holes. I have gotten a wall to wall canopy of shrooms with most of my tubs. The Fiji strain was by far the worst producing monotub that I have ever done. I think this may be due to the fact that it is an undomesticated strain. Be that as it may, they were by far the most fun trip ever. The psychonauts that I shared my dismal harvest with all agreed that these were some very potent and unique shrooms. A lot of my Fijis bruised a greenish color. That is unusual for a cubensis. I do not want to get banned for starting a strain discussion. I would just like to say that Fiji cubensis are awesome! I have a Fiji clone on agar that I will grow out using your air pump monotub method soon. Thank you for sharing your experience! namaste


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    #19591651 - 02/19/14 07:39 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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    #19592221 - 02/19/14 09:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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    #19592307 - 02/19/14 10:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

When you place the hoses on the tub, is one pointing close to the top while the other is pointed at the bottom? Are they basically just pointed at opposite ends and heights and then left to run continuously or does one need the pump on a timer at certain times.

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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: Ambicerebral321]
    #19592466 - 02/19/14 10:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

From my brief knowledge most will say it depends on the variables of ur particular setup. I do know u need a certain amount of air exchanges per hour. From what I read most start with running 5-15min an hour and then monitor it to see if u need more or less FEA. I would use a long fish tank air stone/wand inside to help distribute air better. Especially after they start growin.

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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: fivepointhustla]
    #19592833 - 02/20/14 12:25 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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When you place the hoses on the tub, is one pointing close to the top while the other is pointed at the bottom? Are they basically just pointed at opposite ends and heights and then left to run continuously or does one need the pump on a timer at certain times.




I just let it run all day though I've experimented using only one at a time.  The pumps just kinda point straight in. 

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If you can make it work with an airstone in water then that's awesome but deep down in my gut I feel that an air stone in water is completely counter productive.  It just needs air. The air will circulate fine with two points of entry.  You may be distributing air more 'evenly' from a stone in water but my gut says that the water makes the airflow lose all of the 'mmmph' that you have from just piping it in straight like a directed current.  Just my thoughts though.


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    #19593535 - 02/20/14 07:15 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I meant just an air stone or wand with no water on them. But the KISS in me says just run it like u have. I may try this on my next bulk grow.

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    #19593902 - 02/20/14 09:53 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I was thinking about the waterless airstone experiment, I think this can help with a more even displacement of co2 with FAE. Maybe hang the stone in dead center of the FC about 2inches from perlite, I wouldn't leave the air pump on continuously. The airpump shouldn't be one of the bigger ones unless your running multipule hoses, the smaller one I feel would be enough. Has anyone tried this method. Maybe 2 airstone hoses split the difference from the middle might give a more even exchange and airflow from all areas at once for quicker FAE?  Just a thought hope I don't get to much grief.

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    #19594051 - 02/20/14 10:31 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Seems like a great idea.

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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: alex591955]
    #19610156 - 02/23/14 09:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Dude, i just now stumbled upon this thread, and...
THANK YOU so much.
I bought a 2 outlet aquarium pump last year but it did not meet the needs of my experimental rig. Ive been looking for something to do with it.
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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: MagicMike407]
    #19616802 - 02/25/14 02:35 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

2/25 Flush seven is now confirmed.



There are actually a few other areas of primordia and tiny pins scattered around the substrate. I'll be happy if I just get two mushrooms out of this though.  If I grow cubes again it's going to be from these Fiji prints.  This strain has been extremely contam resistant.  Fast colonizing.  Great high.  I don't think I'll ever buy another spore syringe.


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    #19617133 - 02/25/14 03:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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2/25 Flush seven is now confirmed.



There are actually a few other areas of primordia and tiny pins scattered around the substrate. I'll be happy if I just get two mushrooms out of this though.  If I grow cubes again it's going to be from these Fiji prints.  This strain has been extremely contam resistant.  Fast colonizing.  Great high.  I don't think I'll ever buy another spore syringe.




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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: MagicMike407]
    #19617251 - 02/25/14 04:08 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Would like to hear about the potency on a 7th flush cubensis,I would think that by now the actives are a lot lower that the first flushes. I don't mean any thing negative just curious of the power of a 7th flush cube. FIJI cubes seem like a great one for bulk grows due to resistance from contams.

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    #19617276 - 02/25/14 04:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

holly shit I thought 6 was pushing it.


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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #19617303 - 02/25/14 04:18 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

God damn, dude :fuckinawesome:
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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: sololas]
    #19617948 - 02/25/14 06:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Would like to hear about the potency on a 7th flush cubensis,I would think that by now the actives are a lot lower that the first flushes. I don't mean any thing negative just curious of the power of a 7th flush cube. FIJI cubes seem like a great one for bulk grows due to resistance from contams.




Ive been wondering this myself. Ive only had feedback from the first 3 flushes.  Everyone seemed to really like them and one person who did them said they felt kinda like ecstasy but without the speedy feeling.


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    #19618020 - 02/25/14 06:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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felt kinda like ecstasy but without the speedy feeling.



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    #19627359 - 02/27/14 05:35 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Very nice!!! :borat:

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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #19634075 - 03/01/14 10:00 AM (10 years, 30 days ago)

Holy Shit ETiger!

Frickin' seventh flush?! :omgz:


Thats amazing. I can't believe an airpump is that good at flushing. Or maybe its your substrate. Congrats. You nail the best bulk grow Ive ever seen ever.

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    #19634533 - 03/01/14 12:03 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

I have a fiji tub starting to knot up right now. Great job on nursing that tub man. Got a question for you. Have you given any thought into a water reservoir setup? No question your air pump worked. I have this idea kicking around in my head for this rez and I think combined with your setup it would be interesting to see the results. I dont think you can get much better than what you have done.Awesome.


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    #19634553 - 03/01/14 12:08 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

nice. that is awesome. that many flushes. bet your one happy person :smile:


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    #19635454 - 03/01/14 03:40 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

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I have a fiji tub starting to knot up right now. Great job on nursing that tub man. Got a question for you. Have you given any thought into a water reservoir setup? No question your air pump worked. I have this idea kicking around in my head for this rez and I think combined with your setup it would be interesting to see the results. I dont think you can get much better than what you have done.Awesome.




I don't know. I would have to see the setup.  How would you add a reservoir?  Would it be like a hole in the substrate that you fill with water?


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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #19636199 - 03/01/14 06:24 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

I always wondered what would happen if you took those watering globe things- i dont really know how to explain them, you fill it with water and poke it in a pot and supposedly it just draws water as needed, gravity fed. Well anyway, wondered what would happen if you stuck one in a bulk sub.

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    #19636258 - 03/01/14 06:42 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

I think I know what you are talking about. its basically a glass ball with a stem. Iv got a few projects in the works right now if I can find them Ill throw a couple of them into the mix and let you know how it goes.


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    #19636294 - 03/01/14 06:54 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

What if it absorbed all the water in days then started fruiting inside the globe.
Like a ship in a bottle.
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    #19636330 - 03/01/14 07:03 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

Oh man that ignore list that was posted in here brings back memories of a different time here...

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    #19636341 - 03/01/14 07:05 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

Iam going to build a tub and I will post some pics it basically is a tubing net work small tubing with small holes drilled in it.plumbed to an upside down liter filled with clean water the head pressure of the water would passively keep the in side of the substrate moist. So what you would do is lay your trash bag in the tub then cut a small slit in the plastic. Then add spawn add sub, the tubing network would be captured throughout the center of the sub. You could put water level marks on the 2 liter and measure to see if the sub is taking any water. It seems to me after reading your thread and many others. That some people just prefer to stick to a dialed monotub and thats great.if you step out of the box so to say you get some ridicule, and are told just use a proper monotub blah blah. If someone can grow mushrooms on a bible a teddy bear or whatever. Thats coooool. But messing with a monotub seems taboo. Oh well. Reminds me of Orville and Wilbur Wrights father,he told them they would never fly. Huuuh. I will be building this ol contraption soon so we will see how it goes. If not. We will do what my son always says." Get Bob Villa up in this Bitch"

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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: PNWmushroomexpert]
    #19636641 - 03/01/14 08:08 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

Do it.

I'm thinking about trying one out myself.  Would surely be nice for putting the tub somewhere without good circulation, laundry room or what-have-you.


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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: Inocuole]
    #19636986 - 03/01/14 09:19 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

See i like the idea of the pump because obviously shrooms dont provide fresh air on their own.
A water resevoir though? I thought thats what the bulk sub itself basically was. Or especially a casing layer.
A reserve of moisture and (in the case of bulk subs) nutrients.
If hydrated right- i just think it would be a pointless experiment, albeit an interesting one.

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    #19637049 - 03/01/14 09:31 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

Have to ask yourself mike why do we dunk ???


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    #19637078 - 03/01/14 09:39 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

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Have to ask yourself mike why do we dunk ???



To replenish lost moisture. I see where youre going with it.

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    #19637125 - 03/01/14 09:51 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

Ya you know.  I wonder if  anybody has ever really measued exactly how much a sub can uptake in water after the 1st flush. I know theres so many diffrent factors for uptake but be useful to know is it a gallon half gallon hmmmm?


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    #19637127 - 03/01/14 09:51 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

Replenishing lost moisture and having a resevoir constantly seep it in are two dynamically very different things.  First, standing water is a terrible idea.  Where would you put the rez?  You could maybe use something like a sterile water drip system but, I mean, how much of a pain in the ass is it to mist it or dunk it?  Dunking my tubs usually seems to upset them though, truthfully.  I'm perfectly content with what I can get out of it without ever dunking.


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    #19637181 - 03/01/14 10:02 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

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    #19637235 - 03/01/14 10:21 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

Flush 7



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    #19637241 - 03/01/14 10:23 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

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    #19637544 - 03/01/14 11:49 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

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Flush 7






That's pretty goddamn impressive. 


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I think your missing the point man




You also didn't answer any of the questions I asked, and I'm totally not missing the point.  hydrating the sub is great, but is a rez the right way to do it? I was asking for more information, first and foremost, and then closed by stating I'm satisfied without even dunking.  What point did I miss exactly?


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    #19637656 - 03/02/14 12:26 AM (10 years, 29 days ago)

Thres standing water in a tub that been dunked its not sterile. I really dont care about dynamics I dont want to lift my substrate out of the tub or even put it in the bathtub or werever if you have water fed to the sub without moving the tub than I would say its worth it. But like I said people will pick the idea apart because its not a properly shmoperly dialed monotub. Fuuuuuck.


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    #19637742 - 03/02/14 01:01 AM (10 years, 29 days ago)

Hey don't get me wrong, I'm all for experimenting.  I'm just asking you to sell me on the idea.  It sounds like a potentially bad idea on the surface.  I only start an argument because I want to hear the other side, you know what I mean?  Like I said, I would feel safer with a drip method.  I know it doesn't have to be sterile but it should at least be clean and not sitting out, right?

The last thing I want to do is stifle progress.  Let's hear some ideas.

Elastical totally has me sold on the air pump, I can confirm that.  People like seeing results, you know how it is.


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    #19637899 - 03/02/14 02:05 AM (10 years, 29 days ago)

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Elastical totally has me sold on the air pump, I can confirm that.  People like seeing results, you know how it is.




Ok, I'm very flattered that you wrote that, thank you.

I need to clarify though, my mission has NEVER been to sell anyone on the idea. I've touted the tubs prospects for stealth grows. I've said that it shouldn't be dismissed.  But I am not here to convince others.  For the VERY REASON that I'm trying something new I MUST be indifferent to the results. That's hard for me.  But I MUST accept the possibility that this entire tub is a fluke. Since it's multispore, there is the real chance that the only reason this worked at all is because I got great genetics (two times since this is the second attempt with this method.)  This thread MUST be taken with a grain of salt and I would tell ANYONE who tries this method, that if their grow isn't going the way they want it to when they experiment with this, to switch to a known and proven method and declare the air pump a failure before ever risking their own grow / hard work and time for the sake of trying to prove this works for everyone.  I have said a few times, there is a chance that SOMETHING about my growing environment or my genetics makes this method work here and that others may not have such luck.

I'm flattered that I have so many PM's and people telling me they are going to try this.  I stand behind my results. But if I ever talk to new shroomerites or people just starting I will ALWAYS tell them to use a proven, repeatable method like frank's dialed in monotub. I posted this originally with the intention of just throwing the data on here for peoople to look at but the thread blew up a little and for a little bit of time I was really into the idea of this method.

FACT 1: This method is NOT revolutionary and I hope no one has taken it that way. This method will NEVER replace a passive FAE system.  It may perform equally well. But I would never tell a first time bulk grower to try this.

FACT 2: Getting 7 flushes out of any substrate is awesome.  Everyone loves that. but I truly believe that this has more to do with genetics than the fruiting chamber.

FACT 3: Just because this tub produced 7 flushes doesn't mean that flushes after the 3rd were 'worth anything.' in terms of potency. Neither me nor any of my friends have tried any of the shrooms from the fourth flush onward and there is no way to tell if they have any reasonable amount of potency until myself or someone else tries them.  Until proven otherwise I'm going to assume they have no potency and keep them separate from the earlier flushes.

FACT 4: I'm really flattered by how many replies I've gotten for this thread. I'm flattered that others want to try it.  If other people try this and the method fails miserably for them I WANT them to post in this thread that this method didn't work for them.  I am a skeptic at heart and if I weren't ready to believe that this entire tub was a fluke then I wouldn't be worthy of studying mycology on any serious level.  If you have the courage to try this then I will hope it's because you just want to experiment like I did, without expectation.  Just for the sake of doing something a little different.


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    #19637977 - 03/02/14 02:34 AM (10 years, 29 days ago)

Well that's exactly it.  You never CLAIMED anything.  You just did this, and showed us what happened.  I think the consensus is that we like what happened.  Experimenting rocks, and skepticism is what helps us move forward.

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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: Inocuole]
    #19638097 - 03/02/14 03:24 AM (10 years, 29 days ago)

I understand completely I think it best if I just build it and post results tho. and your right skepticism does move us forward. things change alot we may look back in ten years and say why in the heck did those guys use monotubs when you can just do this or that. And it wouldnt suprise me in the least to see cubensis growing in the northern temperate zone.with all the domestication and experminting. A FLUKE genetic is bound to happen that wont be such a fluke. Either way. Awesome ET you got the blue thumb man.


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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: PNWmushroomexpert]
    #19638720 - 03/02/14 09:18 AM (10 years, 29 days ago)

Hey i recently built a monstrosity of an FC for stealth grows using experimental ideas, and its turning out great!
Of course one doesnt really need to improve on a dialed in mono.
But what does one do when you get bored?
See, im going to try this, because i have the air pump and nothing to do with it. Why not. We do this for fun remember- well, least me.
In regards to that idea though, i think getting that pipeline in the center of the sub would be a bitch.
Remember, myc LOVES to move around water. You wouldnt really need a pipe system thru the whole thing, but you could still add a resevoir and let the culture take the water where it needs it.

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    #19639280 - 03/02/14 12:29 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

People have tried the globe with water before. Its not so much that it doesn't work as its just not really needed. The whole point behind a bulk sub is how much water it brings to the table. No need to add more. Most of the time I don't even need to dunk a bulk sub until after the third flush.

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    #19639318 - 03/02/14 12:37 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

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    #19639367 - 03/02/14 12:46 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

...after 3rd flush. I, personally, would move on to new projects at that point. Potency loss is a risk.

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    #19639378 - 03/02/14 12:49 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

Iam starting to really believe thats true Magic Mike407. I guess the mad scientist in me wants to do crazy off the wall shit tho.


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    #19639420 - 03/02/14 12:57 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

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Iam starting to really believe thats true Magic Mike407. I guess the mad scientist in me wants to do crazy off the wall shit tho.



And you should, if you desire to. As long as you know what youre doing is for fun, and not to really solve a problem or improve a design already beloved by the community.

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    #19639422 - 03/02/14 12:57 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

Potency loss is negligable IME. However after 3 flushes a 66 quart mono should have yielded close to a pound. Many people just don't see the point in taking up real estate to get another oz outta it :shrug:

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    #19639442 - 03/02/14 01:00 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

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People have tried the globe with water before. Its not so much that it doesn't work as its just not really needed. The whole point behind a bulk sub is how much water it brings to the table. No need to add more. Most of the time I don't even need to dunk a bulk sub until after the third flush.



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    #19639457 - 03/02/14 01:03 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

If I do something as an experiment its always to improve a design.


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People have tried the globe with water before. Its not so much that it doesn't work as its just not really needed. The whole point behind a bulk sub is how much water it brings to the table. No need to add more. Most of the time I don't even need to dunk a bulk sub until after the third flush.



I was just wondering. Do you dunk your grains before you spawn to bulk?




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    #19639507 - 03/02/14 01:12 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

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If I do something as an experiment its always to improve a design.



Well then i dont think you should do it as its not really an improvement to the basic mono. I dont mean to be rude let me just explain why i think:
-The tubing network may disrupt colonization. Or it may not, im not sure- i would just feel weird inserting any foreign material into the heart of my sub.
-A properly prepared sub has all the water it needs. If a dunk is needed but you cant or are lazy, why not a heavy misting?
-individual opinion on when "enough is enough" when it comes to late flushes.
I think you should go for it, its just I cant say its an improvement. Like so many have said what is there to improve? I havnt been doing this for long but i think i can safely say you wouldnt see "improvements". I respect the ambition.

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    #19639596 - 03/02/14 01:34 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

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    #19652239 - 03/04/14 08:53 PM (10 years, 26 days ago)

I don't know if I asked this already but I was wondering if the placement of the hole for the hose matters. Should it be high, midway, or low. I'm going to try my second monotub and your flushes look kickass so I think it is about to be experiment time.

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    #19652351 - 03/04/14 09:10 PM (10 years, 26 days ago)

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I don't know if I asked this already but I was wondering if the placement of the hole for the hose matters. Should it be high, midway, or low. I'm going to try my second monotub and your flushes look kickass so I think it is about to be experiment time.





I placed the hoses as seen in the very clear diagram that I drew.



The tubes go into the tub about an inch and they are almost at substrate level. Maybe 1 centimeter above the substrate but because of the way the tubing is shaped it kind of angles down pointing right at the sub.


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    #19653087 - 03/05/14 12:57 AM (10 years, 26 days ago)

11:45 PM Pacific time. I have noticed a patch of green mold about the size of a dime on the substrate. This tub is officially finished.  Thank you to everyone who posted here.  It's been a long three month haul for this and I'm more than happy even though I didn't quite hit a pound dry.  Thanks guys.


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    #19653209 - 03/05/14 02:27 AM (10 years, 26 days ago)

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11:45 PM Pacific time. I have noticed a patch of green mold about the size of a dime on the substrate. This tub is officially finished.  Thank you to everyone who posted here.  It's been a long three month haul for this and I'm more than happy even though I didn't quite hit a pound dry.  Thanks guys.




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    #19653577 - 03/05/14 07:49 AM (10 years, 26 days ago)

i wonder if slightly increased pressure in the fruiting chamber would be beneficial.

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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: victor947]
    #19653645 - 03/05/14 08:23 AM (10 years, 26 days ago)

I have speculated about the effects of positive and negative (partial vaccum) pressure would have on the cell structure. Unfortunately there doesn't exist a practical way to test this in a home environment.

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    #19653714 - 03/05/14 08:44 AM (10 years, 26 days ago)

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Unfortunately there doesn't exist a practical way to test this in a home environment.




Elevation changes if you live near mountains will give you a big pressure change. 
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    #19653788 - 03/05/14 09:07 AM (10 years, 26 days ago)

True enough, I just meant running a vaccum and trying to maintain rh and fae with it. But if he wants to drive a  tub or gh to the mile high city I hope he writes us all a paper on cellular expansion in fungi in lower pressure environments.

Or........just shows us some regular old fruits and tells us its from there. Roger, given enough generations at somewhere with lower pressure would we see different mutations or would they be minimal in our lifetime?


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    #19654453 - 03/05/14 12:28 PM (10 years, 26 days ago)

I just built a mono kinda like that but one air hose has an air stone at the end in a cup of water in the corner and the other air hose is hooked up through a cheap humidifier I bought from a supply store online will post pics if anyone is interested but I have a junk camera so they'll suck


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    #19654519 - 03/05/14 12:42 PM (10 years, 26 days ago)

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I just built a mono kinda like that but one air hose has an air stone at the end in a cup of water in the corner and the other air hose is hooked up through a cheap humidifier I bought from a supply store online will post pics if anyone is interested but I have a junk camera so they'll suck




If it's a true bulk substrate then it will provide all the humidity you need.  All you need to add is the air.  If you notice the tub isn't holding humidity the way it should then you dial back the air. 

The air stone in the water is completely unnecessary.  No one really does that anymore.  In fact I think It's actually going to keep the air from circulating the way it should. But yes post a thread so we can see the setup.


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    #19654593 - 03/05/14 01:02 PM (10 years, 26 days ago)

Thanks for the info It's 22" by 13" and 4" deep of hpoo, coir, Verm, gypsum, spawned with fully colonized wbs and it's got a lot of condensation on the walls and lid the air pump is not on during colonization though and my poly holes are taped up gotta go take a quick vid my camera isn't charged


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wtf I can't figure out how to do this I chose a video and compressed it and attached to the reply why isn't it working


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The air stone in the water is completely unnecessary.  No one really does that anymore.



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    #19654794 - 03/05/14 01:36 PM (10 years, 26 days ago)

Ok got it figured out but ya like I said there's lots of condensation so I don't think I will need the cup and air stone either again this being my first grow I'm a noob and didn't figure that out until I had it built already I just thought I would post on this thread since my mono is similar ya know


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And thanks for the confidence boost cronicr lol I'll prolly just take the cup out and clip the hose like et's setup since it hasn't failed that I'm aware of


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And thanks for the confidence boost cronicr lol I'll prolly just take the cup out and clip the hose like et's setup since it hasn't failed that I'm aware of




Just pay attention to your humidity / condensation on the walls. Start with just one hose.  A lot of the time the tub in this thread didn't have any condensation on and it did well but I still would have liked to see more visible humidity.

EDIT: Also don't forget. This is a work in progress.  If this is your first grow you may want to go with the classic monotub setup since it's proven to work.  The air pump like this is relatively uncharted territory.  I would feel terrible if your first grow didn't flush the way you wanted because you were using a method that wasn't well understood at the time.


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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #19654864 - 03/05/14 01:48 PM (10 years, 26 days ago)

I also have a hygrometer to help with that I honestly don't even know why I put it in there ig I'm just too worried I'm gonna fail I'm so glad to see others that want me to succeed it makes me feel so much better to have help from you guys after all I've learned everything I know from this site


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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: Partyboi420]
    #19654926 - 03/05/14 01:59 PM (10 years, 26 days ago)

I'll prolly just take the cup out and clip the hose like et's setup since it hasn't failed that I'm aware of...


Of course after it's done colonizing I don't want to screw up my pinset by opening the lid at all lol
Just didn't want anybody bashing for something I didn't do lol I see too much of that


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Re: FINISHED*The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) Contamination 3/4 [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #27675035 - 02/27/22 02:57 AM (2 years, 30 days ago)

Hey mate,

Just out of curiosity do you run your air pump for 24hrs? or do you have it set on a timer/controller? I'm setting up something very similar and was going to have it pumping 24/7 for my GT's. But will probably rethink it if you suggest otherwise.

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Re: FINISHED*The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) Contamination 3/4 [Re: Darth-Shroom]
    #27675058 - 02/27/22 04:23 AM (2 years, 30 days ago)

This thread is from 2014, no one uses air stones in 2022 let alone 2014.

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Re: FINISHED*The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) Contamination 3/4 [Re: DERRAYLD]
    #27675340 - 02/27/22 11:04 AM (2 years, 30 days ago)

LOL    :feelsoldman:

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