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Re: So al-Qaeda just took Fallujah [Re: teamkiller]
    #19375893 - 01/06/14 05:35 AM (10 years, 23 days ago)

What about Israel is communist.


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Re: So al-Qaeda just took Fallujah [Re: myc_check1212]
    #19376140 - 01/06/14 07:39 AM (10 years, 23 days ago)

The part where property was appropriated by a centralized authority for redistribution--isn't this like a central tenet of communism?


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Re: So al-Qaeda just took Fallujah [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #19376171 - 01/06/14 07:51 AM (10 years, 23 days ago)

Are you referring to lands won by Israeli blood in conflict with the sand people, than that's not communism. That's winning. If you're referring to private lands within the country, that I don't know about. The torah does state a few rules and practices that are socialist in nature, but I don't think the word applies since the Hebrews predate the dictionary


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Re: So al-Qaeda just took Fallujah [Re: myc_check1212]
    #19376177 - 01/06/14 07:54 AM (10 years, 23 days ago)

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Are you referring to lands won by Israeli blood in conflict with the sand people




Won by who? Aside from the fact that there was no Israel or Israeli people 100 years ago, so there was no Isreali military to do the bleeding, who do you think actually won stole that land?



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but I don't think the word applies since the Hebrews predate the dictionary




They also predate words like: predate, applies, since and dictionary. So we'll just throw out the English language wherever we see fit to bolster our argument right?


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Re: So al-Qaeda just took Fallujah [Re: Repertoire89]
    #19376214 - 01/06/14 08:10 AM (10 years, 23 days ago)

My point in a nutshell. Fuck Islam, fuck the Muslims if Israel wants to rough up their neighbors in all for it. Were on the same side, stop Islamic expansion and threats


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Re: So al-Qaeda just took Fallujah [Re: myc_check1212]
    #19376224 - 01/06/14 08:14 AM (10 years, 23 days ago)

With the exception of Jordan and turkey. They're trying very hard to put the stone age behind them and be taken seriously by the rest of the world


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Re: So al-Qaeda just took Fallujah [Re: myc_check1212]
    #19376227 - 01/06/14 08:15 AM (10 years, 23 days ago)

That's not a point--that's a statement.


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Re: So al-Qaeda just took Fallujah [Re: myc_check1212]
    #19376248 - 01/06/14 08:19 AM (10 years, 23 days ago)

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With the exception of Jordan and turkey. They're trying very hard to put the stone age behind them and be taken seriously by the rest of the world




I think that's more of an issue concerning colonialism, a prime example being India. Before the English went to India it contained 20% of the worlds wealth, after the "Independence" it had 2%.


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Re: So al-Qaeda just took Fallujah [Re: elax420]
    #19376279 - 01/06/14 08:28 AM (10 years, 23 days ago)

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Fallujah is a huge symbol of resistance in Islam and to the Iraqis.  They kicked the british out of there long before we came around.



I think its cute how we (Americans) think we are the first empire to fail in Afghanistan in Iraq. That shit has been going on since history has been written. Alexander got fucked up in Afghanistan for christ sake.





you have a pretty distorted view of recent history. we took fallujah, we held
fallujah, we trained the Iraqis to fight and even left equipment, we didnt
fail in Iraq, we did what we set out to do. we were not there to take the
country as our own. we have also not failed in afghanistan


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Re: So al-Qaeda just took Fallujah [Re: teamkiller]
    #19376293 - 01/06/14 08:32 AM (10 years, 23 days ago)

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also alqaeda is faker than my love for hoes.






would you like to qualify this statement with some facts proving al Qaeda is fake


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Re: So al-Qaeda just took Fallujah [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #19376302 - 01/06/14 08:34 AM (10 years, 23 days ago)

True, then that's my statement


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Re: So al-Qaeda just took Fallujah [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #19376308 - 01/06/14 08:35 AM (10 years, 23 days ago)

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Fallujah is a huge symbol of resistance in Islam and to the Iraqis.  They kicked the british out of there long before we came around.



I think its cute how we (Americans) think we are the first empire to fail in Afghanistan in Iraq. That shit has been going on since history has been written. Alexander got fucked up in Afghanistan for christ sake.





you have a pretty distorted view of recent history. we took fallujah, we held
fallujah, we trained the Iraqis to fight and even left equipment, we didnt
fail in Iraq, we did what we set out to do. we were not there to take the
country as our own. we have also not failed in afghanistan




Iraq- Mission: Find WMDs...........Mission Failed

Afghanistan- Mission: Remove the Taliban from power......I'll bet money that the Taliban will return as soon as we leave the country and it'll be business as usual....so we kinda failed there too IMO.


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Re: So al-Qaeda just took Fallujah [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #19376321 - 01/06/14 08:38 AM (10 years, 23 days ago)

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Fallujah is a huge symbol of resistance in Islam and to the Iraqis.  They kicked the british out of there long before we came around.



I think its cute how we (Americans) think we are the first empire to fail in Afghanistan in Iraq. That shit has been going on since history has been written. Alexander got fucked up in Afghanistan for christ sake.





you have a pretty distorted view of recent history. we took fallujah, we held
fallujah, we trained the Iraqis to fight and even left equipment, we didnt
fail in Iraq, we did what we set out to do. we were not there to take the
country as our own. we have also not failed in afghanistan




well said, you are a solid citizen:thumbup:


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Re: So al-Qaeda just took Fallujah [Re: Prisoner#1] * 7
    #19376323 - 01/06/14 08:38 AM (10 years, 23 days ago)

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we didnt fail in Iraq, we did what we set out to do. we were not there to take the
country as our own.



and what exactly did the US (officially, at least) set out to do in Iraq?

The U.S. stated that the intent was to remove "a regime that developed and used weapons of mass destruction, that harbored and supported terrorists, committed outrageous human rights abuses, and defied the just demands of the United Nations and the world".

So you defied that demands of the United Nations (and a fair portion of the world) by invading, committed outrageous human rights abuses (Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo Bay), against a relatively stable regime that had no direct connection to the Taliban (though Saddam wasn't perfect), and never found any weapons of mass destructions.

Cost: 100,000-600,000 dead (mostly civilians) and trillions upon trillions of dollars (one of the reasons your economy is in the shitter right now is this war)

Mission Accomplished?
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Re: So al-Qaeda just took Fallujah [Re: myc_check1212]
    #19376335 - 01/06/14 08:42 AM (10 years, 23 days ago)

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True, then that's my statement



and you don't see any contradiction in condoning the violent expansion of the state of Israel against neighbouring Arab countries in the same statement that you express a desire to see an end to the expansion of Islam--stating "were on the same side" as your reasoning?


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Re: So al-Qaeda just took Fallujah [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #19376342 - 01/06/14 08:42 AM (10 years, 23 days ago)

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Re: So al-Qaeda just took Fallujah [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #19376397 - 01/06/14 08:55 AM (10 years, 23 days ago)

It is my opinion that the bouts of violence Israel engages in are matters of self defense and preemption. In my view reasonable and acceptable. The only thing Muslims understand is violence and the yoke


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    #19376425 - 01/06/14 09:02 AM (10 years, 23 days ago)

so, in other words, you don't see the contradictory nature of this opinion


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Re: So al-Qaeda just took Fallujah [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #19376440 - 01/06/14 09:06 AM (10 years, 23 days ago)

The body count figures are distorted most of those deaths weren't caused by direct collation  action but rather groups that hated each other blowing each other up.

Also those fugues count all non natural deaths.  Guy gets car jacked and killed its added to the number.

Nato has some of the strictest rules of engagement ever in the history of warfare.

We aren't the ones strapping bombs to 9 year olds and telling them to give police/soldiers hugs.

I dont think we should have went to Iraq but rather marched right into Pakistan


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Re: So al-Qaeda just took Fallujah [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #19376454 - 01/06/14 09:08 AM (10 years, 23 days ago)

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Fallujah is a huge symbol of resistance in Islam and to the Iraqis.  They kicked the british out of there long before we came around.



I think its cute how we (Americans) think we are the first empire to fail in Afghanistan in Iraq. That shit has been going on since history has been written. Alexander got fucked up in Afghanistan for christ sake.





you have a pretty distorted view of recent history. we took fallujah, we held
fallujah, we trained the Iraqis to fight and even left equipment, we didnt
fail in Iraq, we did what we set out to do. we were not there to take the
country as our own. we have also not failed in afghanistan




Right, and I'm fairly certain many of the Iraqis we trained and gave weapons to went on to join Al-Qaeda.


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