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TheLoopIs

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SHROOMS WONT FRUIT! Is this a suitable lamp?
#19370200 - 01/04/14 08:36 PM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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My last hope on why my brf cakes havent fruited after 5+ weeks is because of the wrong light, can't figure it out, anyone know how to tell ? Here is my set up.... Temps are good, humidity 80-95 on hyrdo rocks instead of perlite already dunked in water second time to try to pin
WHY?!
Can I crumble up the cakes and see what happens that way?
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dceodhz
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Re: SHROOMS WONT FRUIT! Is this a suitable lamp? [Re: TheLoopIs]
#19370220 - 01/04/14 08:44 PM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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You should take a picture of the writing OK the bulb itself. Cubes can fruit in total darkness so the light may not be an issue. It looks like you used the tall 1/2 pint jars, which take longer to colonize and thus fruit, if you didn't consolidate. Another option could be contams.
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Re: SHROOMS WONT FRUIT! Is this a suitable lamp? [Re: dceodhz]
#19370258 - 01/04/14 08:55 PM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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how is your FAE?
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TheLoopIs

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Re: SHROOMS WONT FRUIT! Is this a suitable lamp? [Re: MudaFuka]
#19370327 - 01/04/14 09:15 PM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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didnt understand first part dceohdz! Maybe some hidden contams at the core then :/ FAE Should be great in a SC? How would one go about knowing that mudafuka?
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Re: SHROOMS WONT FRUIT! Is this a suitable lamp? [Re: TheLoopIs]
#19370341 - 01/04/14 09:18 PM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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TheLoopIs said: didnt understand first part dceohdz! Maybe some hidden contams at the core then :/ FAE Should be great in a SC? How would one go about knowing that mudafuka?
if your not seeing any condensation on your walls, and no don't crumble the more you mess with them the farther back you set yourself just make sure it's hydrated and gettting good fresh air exchange, you may wanna pile some moist verm on top those are pretty big cakes
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Re: SHROOMS WONT FRUIT! Is this a suitable lamp? [Re: TheLoopIs]
#19370354 - 01/04/14 09:22 PM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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How often do you fan it?
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TheLoopIs

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Re: SHROOMS WONT FRUIT! Is this a suitable lamp? [Re: cronicr]
#19370355 - 01/04/14 09:22 PM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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I'll try that thanks cronicr!
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TheLoopIs

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Re: SHROOMS WONT FRUIT! Is this a suitable lamp? [Re: TheLoopIs]
#19370357 - 01/04/14 09:22 PM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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Do u need to fan SC really? about once a day
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cronicr



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Re: SHROOMS WONT FRUIT! Is this a suitable lamp? [Re: TheLoopIs]
#19370362 - 01/04/14 09:24 PM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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the fan is after every mist to promote evaportion off the mist you just gave and get the humid stalish air out
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TheLoopIs

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Re: SHROOMS WONT FRUIT! Is this a suitable lamp? [Re: cronicr]
#19370374 - 01/04/14 09:26 PM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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WOWWWWW. Maybe this is where I fucked up big time:0 Going to try that from now on...should have hope for how many more days u think until I can throw them away to make room for next batch?
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Re: SHROOMS WONT FRUIT! Is this a suitable lamp? [Re: TheLoopIs]
#19370382 - 01/04/14 09:29 PM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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if they don't contam just leave them in there
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TheLoopIs

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Re: SHROOMS WONT FRUIT! Is this a suitable lamp? [Re: TheLoopIs]
#19370389 - 01/04/14 09:30 PM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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wait not seeing condensation is a good or bad sign? I was lurking in ur gallery cronicr and some of ur FC have loads of condensation and are still fruiting beautifully?
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TheLoopIs

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Re: SHROOMS WONT FRUIT! Is this a suitable lamp? [Re: TheLoopIs]
#19370395 - 01/04/14 09:31 PM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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I literally don't see how these could fruit... there has been no new growth for weeks
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Re: SHROOMS WONT FRUIT! Is this a suitable lamp? [Re: TheLoopIs]
#19370399 - 01/04/14 09:32 PM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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none are sgfc's, sgfc's shouldn't have any, they get constant fae
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Re: SHROOMS WONT FRUIT! Is this a suitable lamp? [Re: cronicr]
#19370434 - 01/04/14 09:40 PM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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Fanning promotes evaporation off the substrate which is one of the main pinning triggers.
You're setup is holding humidity great because you don't have enough perlite in there to create a dynamic air flow. The air is stale and stagnant. Those rocks aren't really doing anything. You should have them in a larger chamber with 5 inches of sifted, wet perlite. The chamber I've just described actually creates it's own air flow where as the setup you have now is at the mercy of the natural air currents in the room. Your light should be fine as long as it's a bulb in the 6500K spectrum (the bulb package usually says 'daylight' on it)
You need to create a proper SGFC and then mist and fan as needed.
Fresh air and evaporation of moisture off the cakes are the number one pinning triggers.
-------------------- First time growing cakes? DON'T make a Shotgun Fruiting Chamber The Shmuvbox. - The Old TC's Like it Afraid to Start Growing From Your Own Prints? Drop it Like a Tiger! No Pouring. No Syringes. No Cutting. No flaming. No Contamination. No Bullshit. "The best thing to do while your waiting is to start more stuff. I usually got so much happening that I have tossed projects simply because I didn't have time for them. -Pastywhite QFT Pastywhite's Easy Agar Tek (PastyPlates) Tiger Drop Video Demos By munchauzen Van Gogh would’ve sold more than one painting if he’d put tigers in them.―Bill Watterson EZEKIEL 23:20
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Re: SHROOMS WONT FRUIT! Is this a suitable lamp? [Re: elasticaltiger]
#19370679 - 01/04/14 10:56 PM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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5 weeks i would say there contamed
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MudaFuka
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Re: SHROOMS WONT FRUIT! Is this a suitable lamp? [Re: tripdawg420]
#19370713 - 01/04/14 11:11 PM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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evaporation and fresh air are big pinning triggers. Give them more FAE and give it some time if nothing has happened after a week or so then you might consider throwing in the towel. At least try it before you give up completely.
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Re: SHROOMS WONT FRUIT! Is this a suitable lamp? [Re: tripdawg420]
#19370726 - 01/04/14 11:15 PM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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tripdawg420 said: 5 weeks i would say there contamed 
I tend to agree but I'm the kind of guy that doesn't like to throw shit away on assumption.
He's seen no new growth and that's not good.
But I feel like he should have seen SOMETHING from the cakes if they were contaminated. A bad smell, bubbles oozing, aerial mycelium growth just... anything.
Could just be stalled myc I guess but I really don't have enough experience to say Regardless, either right now or on your next grow, change up the chamber, the environment you have created is not ideal.
-------------------- First time growing cakes? DON'T make a Shotgun Fruiting Chamber The Shmuvbox. - The Old TC's Like it Afraid to Start Growing From Your Own Prints? Drop it Like a Tiger! No Pouring. No Syringes. No Cutting. No flaming. No Contamination. No Bullshit. "The best thing to do while your waiting is to start more stuff. I usually got so much happening that I have tossed projects simply because I didn't have time for them. -Pastywhite QFT Pastywhite's Easy Agar Tek (PastyPlates) Tiger Drop Video Demos By munchauzen Van Gogh would’ve sold more than one painting if he’d put tigers in them.―Bill Watterson EZEKIEL 23:20
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Re: SHROOMS WONT FRUIT! Is this a suitable lamp? [Re: MudaFuka]
#19370728 - 01/04/14 11:16 PM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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MudaFuka said: evaporation and fresh air are big pinning triggers. Give them more FAE and give it some time if nothing has happened after a week or so then you might consider throwing in the towel. At least try it before you give up completely.
That's the attitude! You gotta cut me Mick! Cut me!
-------------------- First time growing cakes? DON'T make a Shotgun Fruiting Chamber The Shmuvbox. - The Old TC's Like it Afraid to Start Growing From Your Own Prints? Drop it Like a Tiger! No Pouring. No Syringes. No Cutting. No flaming. No Contamination. No Bullshit. "The best thing to do while your waiting is to start more stuff. I usually got so much happening that I have tossed projects simply because I didn't have time for them. -Pastywhite QFT Pastywhite's Easy Agar Tek (PastyPlates) Tiger Drop Video Demos By munchauzen Van Gogh would’ve sold more than one painting if he’d put tigers in them.―Bill Watterson EZEKIEL 23:20
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Re: SHROOMS WONT FRUIT! Is this a suitable lamp? [Re: elasticaltiger]
#19370739 - 01/04/14 11:19 PM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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right but if them cakes where healthy from the start ive seen some pretty bad fruiting chamber that have produced product
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TheLoopIs

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Re: SHROOMS WONT FRUIT! Is this a suitable lamp? [Re: tripdawg420]
#19370794 - 01/04/14 11:35 PM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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So never use those hydro rocks again? I heard good things about them, I stayed away from perlite because of the glass getting into lungs thing.... What would ur reasoning for a larger chamber be jw?
thanks for the wisdom!
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elasticaltiger
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Re: SHROOMS WONT FRUIT! Is this a suitable lamp? [Re: TheLoopIs]
#19370875 - 01/05/14 12:04 AM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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TheLoopIs said:I stayed away from perlite because of the glass getting into lungs thing....
I don't know what you heard but there is absolutely no glass in the lungs concern.
We suggest a larger chamber because that little one won't hold 5 inches of perlite. Yes, you need a whole 5 inches deep of perlite and the only way you're going to get that is a larger chamber.
-------------------- First time growing cakes? DON'T make a Shotgun Fruiting Chamber The Shmuvbox. - The Old TC's Like it Afraid to Start Growing From Your Own Prints? Drop it Like a Tiger! No Pouring. No Syringes. No Cutting. No flaming. No Contamination. No Bullshit. "The best thing to do while your waiting is to start more stuff. I usually got so much happening that I have tossed projects simply because I didn't have time for them. -Pastywhite QFT Pastywhite's Easy Agar Tek (PastyPlates) Tiger Drop Video Demos By munchauzen Van Gogh would’ve sold more than one painting if he’d put tigers in them.―Bill Watterson EZEKIEL 23:20
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Re: SHROOMS WONT FRUIT! Is this a suitable lamp? [Re: elasticaltiger]
#19370896 - 01/05/14 12:09 AM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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Ooooooh I think you're citing this study: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11453674
Dude this was a study of people who work in factories processing perlite. Yes, if you work around volcanic glass-dust every fucking day without a filtered respirator mask thing you will have glass dust in your lungs after years but.....
1: we're talking about wet perlite. Dust doesn't really 'happen' when it's wet. It's just perlite mud.
2: You're exposure if any is going to be so little that it just doesn't compare.
3: you can dump your perlite into a strainer, then hold the strainer inside a garbage bag and shake it back and forth for a little bit. All the tiny pieces of perlite will fall into the garbage bag and after a minute or so the only stuff left will be the big rocks that won't be able to magically float into the air and down your lungs.
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Re: SHROOMS WONT FRUIT! Is this a suitable lamp? [Re: elasticaltiger]
#19370904 - 01/05/14 12:12 AM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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nuthing is really that good for you with cakes lol just the rice, even alot of verm isn't,something to do with asbestos but i don't give a fuck
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Re: SHROOMS WONT FRUIT! Is this a suitable lamp? [Re: cronicr]
#19370911 - 01/05/14 12:13 AM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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cronicr said: nuthing is really that good for you with cakes lol just the rice, even alot of verm isn't,something to do with asbestos but i don't give a fuck
Yeah there hasn't been asbestos in verm since the 80s. I googled it once for this exact reason.
EDIT: The whole issue was with insulation that had vermiculite in it. http://www2.epa.gov/asbestos/protect-your-family-asbestos-contaminated-vermiculite-insulation
-------------------- First time growing cakes? DON'T make a Shotgun Fruiting Chamber The Shmuvbox. - The Old TC's Like it Afraid to Start Growing From Your Own Prints? Drop it Like a Tiger! No Pouring. No Syringes. No Cutting. No flaming. No Contamination. No Bullshit. "The best thing to do while your waiting is to start more stuff. I usually got so much happening that I have tossed projects simply because I didn't have time for them. -Pastywhite QFT Pastywhite's Easy Agar Tek (PastyPlates) Tiger Drop Video Demos By munchauzen Van Gogh would’ve sold more than one painting if he’d put tigers in them.―Bill Watterson EZEKIEL 23:20
Edited by elasticaltiger (01/05/14 12:16 AM)
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TheLoopIs

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Re: SHROOMS WONT FRUIT! Is this a suitable lamp? [Re: elasticaltiger]
#19372679 - 01/05/14 12:24 PM (10 years, 25 days ago) |
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Will update-loaded 5 cm of hyrdo rocks (don't have perilite) put one cake in a bowl of water and will fan vigoursly after misting thanks for all ur advice guys!!!
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cronicr



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Re: SHROOMS WONT FRUIT! Is this a suitable lamp? [Re: TheLoopIs]
#19372687 - 01/05/14 12:25 PM (10 years, 25 days ago) |
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hydro rocks is fine just doesn't hold moisture as well
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Re: SHROOMS WONT FRUIT! Is this a suitable lamp? [Re: cronicr]
#19373849 - 01/05/14 04:57 PM (10 years, 25 days ago) |
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I am fearful that I may be having the same situation. I have some brf jars that I think I pulled a little early than anticipated. I'd say they were 85% colonized at the time, would that effect any of the growth of the myc especially if I have been exposeing them to a 12-12 light routine. It hasn't been like 5 weeks but it has been at least a week and stil no change. I mist and fan multiple times a day, they are 1/2 pint jars that I let sit for 2 weeks then pulled them out. I'll try to get some pictures in.
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Re: SHROOMS WONT FRUIT! Is this a suitable lamp? [Re: thedreammachine]
#19374107 - 01/05/14 05:56 PM (10 years, 25 days ago) |
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yeah pics help, but if it's not contaminated all you can do is make sure it's moist, give it adequate fae and mist when needed
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Re: SHROOMS WONT FRUIT! Is this a suitable lamp? [Re: cronicr]
#19374568 - 01/05/14 07:58 PM (10 years, 25 days ago) |
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Smell the cakes. Make sure they mushroomy or least don't smell odd or dirt-like. Then feel how heavy they are. If they've dried out a lot they'll feel light from the water loss.
Those rocks are not a replacement for pelite so it wouldn't surprise if the cakes had completely dried out after this long.
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TheLoopIs

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Re: SHROOMS WONT FRUIT! Is this a suitable lamp? [Re: Kizzle]
#19376324 - 01/06/14 08:39 AM (10 years, 25 days ago) |
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I'm gana cutt/crumble this buggers up today because my hope is gone. If i don't find a contam within, how can i try to make it into a bulk spawn?
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Re: SHROOMS WONT FRUIT! Is this a suitable lamp? [Re: TheLoopIs]
#19376428 - 01/06/14 09:03 AM (10 years, 25 days ago) |
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Why's your hope gone? Did you smell it? Made sure it wasn't just dried out?
If you think it might be your fruiting conditions keeping it from pinning as a cake put it back in the jar and see if it pins in there. Breaking it up would delay pinning even longer.
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TheLoopIs

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Re: SHROOMS WONT FRUIT! Is this a suitable lamp? [Re: Kizzle]
#19376968 - 01/06/14 11:41 AM (10 years, 25 days ago) |
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:0 I'll put it back in a jar for being naughty ha!!! Didn't know u could do that! Should I dunk them in water again before putting back, or still keep heating them to around 80 in jar?
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Re: SHROOMS WONT FRUIT! Is this a suitable lamp? [Re: TheLoopIs]
#19377108 - 01/06/14 12:22 PM (10 years, 24 days ago) |
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If it's dehydrated yes dunking it will help. Like I said a severely dehydrated cake feels very light. It'd feel kind of like holding a cup of dry vermiculite rather than holding a cup of water.
I know you probably don't know a hydrated cake should feel like so hopefully that analogy will help.
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Re: SHROOMS WONT FRUIT! Is this a suitable lamp? [Re: Kizzle]
#19377147 - 01/06/14 12:35 PM (10 years, 24 days ago) |
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Did you make the SGFC with 1/4 holes every 2 inches on all 6 sides? I mist as I feel needed, I go by the view of the cakes. Some days are 3 times some 4 maybe 5, however I fan much more than I mist. My cakes seem to love this. Just follow the tek to a T and I mean a T, dont stray or half ass a single step and you should be alright. Good luck brother!
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Re: SHROOMS WONT FRUIT! Is this a suitable lamp? [Re: DarkPassenger]
#19377189 - 01/06/14 01:03 PM (10 years, 24 days ago) |
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Yeah I did all of that:/ Thanks brotha!
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