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InvisibleIcelander
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One perfect moment
    #19369508 - 01/04/14 06:01 PM (10 years, 26 days ago)

How much of your life would you give up to have that perfect day?

The problem as I see it here is that once that moment is over it's over.


Btw you guys all rock.  I'm glad you're all here. :heart:


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Re: One perfect moment [Re: Icelander] * 2
    #19369594 - 01/04/14 06:16 PM (10 years, 26 days ago)

Quite a difficult question.

I see it as I've given away every day of my life except today, in order to have today.
Much like a spiral in which it's only 2 characteristics are outward and expansion-- we are born in that spirals center and every day that passes the spiral grows outwards round n' round. We are the sum of that starting point and everything in between the active point.

To be more direct; Though I loathe much of my current life, I know I'm getting somewhere. I am growing every day, sniffing out and removing the redundancy and anything that doesn't make me happy. So I would personally give up 0% of my life to have one day of perfect bliss. I'll get there eventually without any payment. It's not about the destination, it's about the journey to it.

And you are sincerely appreciated Icelander.


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Re: One perfect moment [Re: Tmethyl]
    #19369752 - 01/04/14 06:48 PM (10 years, 26 days ago)

Are you really that sure you'll get there?  I've never seen anyone do it. 

But maybe you're right about the journey although much of it can be pretty nasty or just boring.  I've actually had a pretty close to perfect day one time, well about 9 hours actually. (I call it perfect)  Lets take it backwards and say that I could have my life and all it's ups and downs but not that day. Or that day and nothing else.  I think I'd take that day looking at it from that direction. I would have a perfect existence and cut out all the chaff.  But there is a lot of other moments that were very nice and I'd regret losing them.  You're right, it's a difficult question.


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Re: One perfect moment [Re: Icelander]
    #19370050 - 01/04/14 07:53 PM (10 years, 26 days ago)

I dunno...moments of perfect bliss aren't good for much, to be honest.  I can have one if I like, but it'll cost $15 and a few hours to track down a dose of heroin or oxycodone.  The moment will pass, and I'll be left attached to the idea of getting another one.  The idea of transitory bliss lost its appeal after I spent a few years as a hopeless drug addict and subsequently broke free. :shrug:



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Re: One perfect moment [Re: Icelander]
    #19370051 - 01/04/14 07:53 PM (10 years, 26 days ago)

not sure there ever was one moment that was perfect
Many have been good in many different directions.

I think there are more directions to be noticed as well as time goes on and more moments keep on happening.


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Re: One perfect moment [Re: hmmn]
    #19370087 - 01/04/14 08:02 PM (10 years, 26 days ago)

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hmmn said:
I dunno...moments of perfect bliss aren't good for much, to be honest.  I can have one if I like, but it'll cost $15 and a few hours to track down a dose of heroin or oxycodone.  The moment will pass, and I'll be left attached to the idea of getting another one.  The idea of transitory bliss lost its appeal after I spent a few years as a hopeless drug addict and subsequently broke free. :shrug:





I can hear ya.  That's why I said once it's gone it's gone.  Right now I'm addicted to Kratom and wouldn't trade it for the world .  But I'm an old man with nothing to lose. If I was young I'd be concerned. :nicesmile:


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Re: One perfect moment [Re: redgreenvines]
    #19370095 - 01/04/14 08:04 PM (10 years, 26 days ago)

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redgreenvines said:
not sure there ever was one moment that was perfect
Many have been good in many different directions.

I think there are more directions to be noticed as well as time goes on and more moments keep on happening.




Sorry to hear that.  My perfect moment made my life almost worth living through all your confusing posts and my old mans abuse. :satansmoking:


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Re: One perfect moment [Re: Icelander]
    #19370100 - 01/04/14 08:04 PM (10 years, 26 days ago)

Maybe I'm not understanding the way you look at this question though, Icelander...I look at it as asking what I would give to have a perfect moment some time in the future, while you seem to be looking at it as altering the past?  Hmm...


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Re: One perfect moment [Re: hmmn]
    #19370115 - 01/04/14 08:08 PM (10 years, 26 days ago)

No you can look at it anyway you want.  The future would be the most likely scenario for most folk.  I'm an old man so I had time to luck into one is all.


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Re: One perfect moment [Re: Icelander]
    #19370132 - 01/04/14 08:13 PM (10 years, 26 days ago)

I've had many perfect days. At least several perfect weeks. Today is not one of them, but it's not a horrible one either.

Pretty nice actually. Some home made blackberry wine, a couple friends hanging out and some good herb.

:gethigh:


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Re: One perfect moment [Re: Rahz]
    #19370143 - 01/04/14 08:16 PM (10 years, 26 days ago)

I've had lots of those days myself but I don't really qualify them as Perfect.  I'm talking full on blissed out here.  Full realization of perfection in every detail.


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Re: One perfect moment [Re: Icelander]
    #19370207 - 01/04/14 08:39 PM (10 years, 26 days ago)

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Quote:

redgreenvines said:
not sure there ever was one moment that was perfect
Many have been good in many different directions.

I think there are more directions to be noticed as well as time goes on and more moments keep on happening.




Sorry to hear that.  My perfect moment made my life almost worth living through all your confusing posts and my old mans abuse. :satansmoking:




What was your perfect moment?


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Re: One perfect moment [Re: cez]
    #19370227 - 01/04/14 08:45 PM (10 years, 26 days ago)

My first XTC trip.  Two hits of absolutely pure shit and I had no idea what it was supposed to do.  I did it naked in a totally darkened, soundproofed, warm room with and a full length body pillow on a very comfy bed.  I have the right brain chemistry for that shit because I went straight into about 6 hours of total mind bending bliss.  I was seriously high for almost 6 months afterward.  I was really fucking sweet to everyone. 

But everything must end and I got cranky again. :sad::shrug::lol:


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Re: One perfect moment [Re: Icelander]
    #19370290 - 01/04/14 09:05 PM (10 years, 26 days ago)

Nice. :thumbup:

I have my first xtc pill. :smile:
Some friends that have taken the same stuff are raving about it.

I'm savoring the fact I have it, for I don't know if/when I'll run into it again. (I thought I'd never take x because I don't know what's in it but everyone loves this stuff so I thought why not just once)


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Re: One perfect moment [Re: cez]
    #19370304 - 01/04/14 09:11 PM (10 years, 26 days ago)

Try it solo like I did.  It's pretty cool.


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Re: One perfect moment [Re: Icelander] * 2
    #19370306 - 01/04/14 09:11 PM (10 years, 26 days ago)

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My first XTC trip.  Two hits of absolutely pure shit and I had no idea what it was supposed to do.  I did it naked in a totally darkened, soundproofed, warm room with and a full length body pillow on a very comfy bed.  I have the right brain chemistry for that shit because I went straight into about 6 hours of total mind bending bliss.  I was seriously high for almost 6 months afterward.  I was really fucking sweet to everyone. 

But everything must end and I got cranky again. :sad::shrug::lol:



That sounds ridiculously pleasurable. :ooo:

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Rahz said:
I've had many perfect days. At least several perfect weeks. Today is not one of them, but it's not a horrible one either.

Pretty nice actually. Some home made blackberry wine, a couple friends hanging out and some good herb.

:gethigh:



I like what you've said.
When I think about it a little deeper, most of the best days I've had always included friends or family.
Though I typically avoid everyone, I am extremely appreciative when I'm in good company, it's like an energy blending, a good feeling that just doesn't go away. Even without drugs.

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Icelander said:
Are you really that sure you'll get there?



No. But I won't worry myself by expecting it either, I'll just flow. What will be is what will be.



Quote:

Icelander said:
But maybe you're right about the journey although much of it can be pretty nasty or just boring.



I think one of my greatest realizations to date was that all negativity is illusory. Happiness doesn't have to have more value than depression, they are both beautiful experiences. Pain hurts but when it stops you appreciate normality more. I stopped placing more value on this or that, and just gave them all the same emotional score. All necessary, all interesting.

Of course that doesn't mean I want to hurt myself, or be depressed, it just means that when it happens I observe it coming and going and appreciate it rather than hate it or resent it.


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Re: One perfect moment [Re: Icelander]
    #19370321 - 01/04/14 09:14 PM (10 years, 26 days ago)

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Try it solo like I did.  It's pretty cool.




Yea that's the plan.:thumbup:


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Re: One perfect moment [Re: cez] * 1
    #19370439 - 01/04/14 09:43 PM (10 years, 26 days ago)

I'll trade a million perfect moments to know one moment for what it actually is.


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Re: One perfect moment [Re: Middleman]
    #19371218 - 01/05/14 02:30 AM (10 years, 26 days ago)

I don't advice it, knowing the end of it .. it is hell

all the opportunists nature in space competing to possess you for the moment right you got to yourself being

when objective existence truth is revealed being always of and for opportunities life, so the plus you can get of else including infinite truth knowledge.. then blissful moments are never true nor right

blissful moments would be something you get from others or everything

so people should always keep their lives like a precious thing they got and refuse to trade any of it, to get more things like that

unfortunately objective truth comes always first, some are sacrificed for others to benefit of truth known

like when all is ending now for sure because inferior totally, what is the best situation in there, is it the right person or the wrong ?
the wrong of course .. he would still be living till the last moment of all
where the right person would be suffering from the start of knowing negative end .. plus all the grasps on it for cheaper wrong ends life  from abusing rights


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Re: One perfect moment [Re: Icelander]
    #19371257 - 01/05/14 03:06 AM (10 years, 26 days ago)

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How much of your life would you give up to have that perfect day?

The problem as I see it here is that once that moment is over it's over.


Btw you guys all rock.  I'm glad you're all here. :heart:





If i give up all of my life, all my future, all my past, all i have left is the perfection of the moment


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Re: One perfect moment [Re: Chronic7]
    #19371306 - 01/05/14 03:39 AM (10 years, 26 days ago)

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The Chronic said:
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Icelander said:
How much of your life would you give up to have that perfect day?

The problem as I see it here is that once that moment is over it's over.


Btw you guys all rock.  I'm glad you're all here. :heart:





If i give up all of my life, all my future, all my past, all i have left is the perfection of the moment




how do you invent that ?? what is a moment of you without all you being truly present and free

there is no such thing as an objective moment .. present or time is only subjective free present individuals wills or selves realities moves

giving up for what is truly superior, is first for truth value so what is in fact objectively existing right
and relatively is for being through positive realms, including nothing when you deal exclusively with superior facts

so giving up is about never being negative as an objective right 


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Re: One perfect moment [Re: Icelander]
    #19371356 - 01/05/14 04:19 AM (10 years, 26 days ago)

hmm all my best moments seem to have happened completely by chance..


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Re: One perfect moment [Re: Icelander]
    #19371438 - 01/05/14 05:24 AM (10 years, 26 days ago)

I am really glad that you are getting such high satisfaction from (kratom) your personal psychedelic teddybear.

Lately I have located a small stash of psychedelic toys  (LSZ and NBOME) that don't want me to squeeze them on a daily basis, but also provide an enhanced surround.

being hugged by some fluffy chemistry is not that bad.
let there be many perfected moments


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Re: One perfect moment [Re: Icelander]
    #19371450 - 01/05/14 05:36 AM (10 years, 26 days ago)

I've been having plenty of perfect moments lately, with all the acid I've been eating this past couple of months. :lol:

Most of them are spent peaking on LSD with a cigar or a cigarette and a cup of tea on my balcony. I feel full of love and wonder and appreciation, all warm and fuzzy and cosy and electric under the sun, watching the beams of light glisten off the trees and the clouds rolling by. I feel like there's not enough time to take in all the beauty in the world and want those moments to last forever.


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Re: One perfect moment [Re: Tmethyl]
    #19371677 - 01/05/14 07:43 AM (10 years, 26 days ago)

Sounds to me like you've never been seriously depressed or seriously in pain.  Lucky boy.


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Re: One perfect moment [Re: Into The Woods]
    #19371682 - 01/05/14 07:45 AM (10 years, 26 days ago)

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I've been having plenty of perfect moments lately, with all the acid I've been eating this past couple of months. :lol:

Most of them are spent peaking on LSD with a cigar or a cigarette and a cup of tea on my balcony. I feel full of love and wonder and appreciation, all warm and fuzzy and cosy and electric under the sun, watching the beams of light glisten off the trees and the clouds rolling by. I feel like there's not enough time to take in all the beauty in the world and want those moments to last forever.




So if you could have never had those moments but would live to be 100 would you be willing to die now to have had them? That's basically my question.


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Re: One perfect moment [Re: Icelander]
    #19371735 - 01/05/14 08:07 AM (10 years, 26 days ago)

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Icelander said:
Quote:

Into The Woods said:
I've been having plenty of perfect moments lately, with all the acid I've been eating this past couple of months. :lol:

Most of them are spent peaking on LSD with a cigar or a cigarette and a cup of tea on my balcony. I feel full of love and wonder and appreciation, all warm and fuzzy and cosy and electric under the sun, watching the beams of light glisten off the trees and the clouds rolling by. I feel like there's not enough time to take in all the beauty in the world and want those moments to last forever.




So if you could have never had those moments but would live to be 100 would you be willing to die now to have had them? That's basically my question.




Well if that's essentially your question, my answer is absofuckinglutely.

I've had a couple of perfect moments, though they've been short lived

- lying in the sun on mushrooms
- a nice sunny day casually making shirts with friends and drinking tea
- this one time while I was stoned all my fears and attachments fell away :shocked: actually that was one of the most incredible experiences of my life. Totally unexpected; I was just browsing the web while a bit stoned and suddenly I started getting really, really high. Not cannabis high but mentally free from everything. Hard to explain just how it felt but I remember thinking it was big and then I started thinking well am I really free of fears and attachments? What if someone broke in to the house right now and pointed a gun at me? The idea evoked no feelings of anxiety whatsoever; I felt completely care free and accepting of whatever the moment was. Of course I woke up the next day to the same old habits :sad:

Oh and it's nice having you around here Ice :sun:


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Re: One perfect moment [Re: Icelander]
    #19371741 - 01/05/14 08:11 AM (10 years, 26 days ago)

no.
the whole idea smells badly
what is a perfect moment?
better than all others you have had (are you sure, is your memory that good)
better than all moments reported by others (you could never evaluate the  qualia)
then to imagine you have such magical powers that you could exchange an unknowable future life for the unknowable perfect moment (either self measured or measured against all other beings (-how-))
well
it just smells
half baked and gone rotten

sorry

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Re: One perfect moment [Re: redgreenvines]
    #19371824 - 01/05/14 08:46 AM (10 years, 26 days ago)

Say whatever you like Red but it sounds like sour grapes to me. :sad:

My memory of that event is very etched and one of the few I'm pretty sure I don't remember as good as it actually was if I remember it at all.


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Re: One perfect moment [Re: Icelander]
    #19371993 - 01/05/14 09:41 AM (10 years, 26 days ago)

what you can do is begin an enshrinement to your perfect grape:
poetry
painting
prayer/practice

your own personal pagoda to that moment which is barely recalled

the rest of your life can disappear in such an involvement
and that wonderful moment will begin to live forever.


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Re: One perfect moment [Re: Icelander]
    #19372049 - 01/05/14 09:53 AM (10 years, 26 days ago)

I think "there" is different for everyone. Thought of you guys when I read this article:

The Eyes of Love: Do lovers’ eyes deceive them?

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It is incorrect to characterize a lover’s perspective as completely deluded or as fully accurate. Lovers’ sight takes place within a rosy framework which enables the lover to cope better with the beloved imperfections which are evident despite the rosy lens.

The above considerations can be encapsulated in the following statement that a lover might express: "Darling, I know that my idealization of you is somewhat far from reality, and therefore I will not experience disillusionment when I get to know you better.”





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Re: One perfect moment [Re: redgreenvines]
    #19372063 - 01/05/14 09:57 AM (10 years, 26 days ago)

Not my style.  I just think back fondly on it from time to time and work towards something similar.  Kratom has a little bit of that for me  these days and what inspired this thread.


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Re: One perfect moment [Re: Icelander]
    #19372164 - 01/05/14 10:22 AM (10 years, 26 days ago)

is there a kratom kathedral in your kards?


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Re: One perfect moment [Re: redgreenvines]
    #19372279 - 01/05/14 10:47 AM (10 years, 25 days ago)

Seems to be.  I'm worshiping at the shrine about 4 pm each evening.  When the peak is over I take some Kanna and then slip into a pretty intense dream time.  At least lately that's been the case.

In the morning I play music and walk the dogs. By about 3 pm I'm starting to feel the first twinges of withdrawal.  My day right now revolves in such an orbit.  And it's a fairly pleasant one at this time, just about the right distance from the sun. :sun:


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Re: One perfect moment [Re: Icelander]
    #19372665 - 01/05/14 12:21 PM (10 years, 25 days ago)

ahh 4pm, the early bird special
you get the best value that way


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Re: One perfect moment [Re: redgreenvines]
    #19373523 - 01/05/14 03:40 PM (10 years, 25 days ago)

Yeah.  Then I can be in bed by 9.  The kanna helps me to crash softly and sleep.  I've seriously enjoyed these days in the opium den.


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    #19373529 - 01/05/14 03:41 PM (10 years, 25 days ago)

i'd trade every moment of my existence for that one 'perfect' moment


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Re: One perfect moment [Re: foliocb]
    #19373690 - 01/05/14 04:18 PM (10 years, 25 days ago)

Every moment is perfect.

For you exist in this moment and the choices you have made led you to this moment.

That is really all there is as i see it.

One perfect moment.

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    #19373838 - 01/05/14 04:55 PM (10 years, 25 days ago)

got some supposedly amazing lsd on the way, I'm so ready for more hints of perfection to spice things up.  it's been years, the river's gone dry and stale.


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Re: One perfect moment [Re: Icelander]
    #19373862 - 01/05/14 04:59 PM (10 years, 25 days ago)

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I've been having plenty of perfect moments lately, with all the acid I've been eating this past couple of months. :lol:

Most of them are spent peaking on LSD with a cigar or a cigarette and a cup of tea on my balcony. I feel full of love and wonder and appreciation, all warm and fuzzy and cosy and electric under the sun, watching the beams of light glisten off the trees and the clouds rolling by. I feel like there's not enough time to take in all the beauty in the world and want those moments to last forever.




So if you could have never had those moments but would live to be 100 would you be willing to die now to have had them? That's basically my question.




No, I think I'd rather live for 100 years and have lots of near-perfect moments.


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    #19373955 - 01/05/14 05:24 PM (10 years, 25 days ago)

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i'd trade every moment of my existence for that one 'perfect' moment





See, that's what I'm sayin. :satansmoking:


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    #19374719 - 01/05/14 08:40 PM (10 years, 25 days ago)

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got some supposedly amazing lsd on the way, I'm so ready for more hints of perfection to spice things up.  it's been years, the river's gone dry and stale.



see that's what I'm sayin (except blankk said it and he just might share)


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    #19374789 - 01/05/14 09:05 PM (10 years, 25 days ago)

My tripping days are over I fear.  I need sedation.


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    #19374869 - 01/05/14 09:23 PM (10 years, 25 days ago)

this depakote taken ~7-9 days on 4-6 days off (off to prevent depression and dependency) is providing a nice subtle sedate stabilization for my manic mind, and the side-effects seem non-existent compared to anti-depressants or anti-psychotics.  I once thought my drug days were over because of the mania but this seems to provide quite the potent yet gentle balance.  though, only time and tripping will tell for sure. :popcorn:


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Re: One perfect moment [Re: Icelander]
    #19375523 - 01/06/14 01:31 AM (10 years, 25 days ago)

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My tripping days are over I fear.  I need sedation.





I use to think also in my youth how drugs are fake experience of something true

where I learnt how experiencing is always a negative thing, from where own passivity is obvious while letting unconscious matters taking over own self which become tied like an inferior thing

freedom is the essential reason of any positive sense

that is why the illusion that usually drugs provide is only about being free

it can harm deeply because it is reversing the fact by being totally fake

but I learnt also how impossible it is to be truly free, while I keep rejecting that objective fact and keep being myself freedom.. I cant see anything but when it is free, so I cant be otherwise even though I really tried to be like everyone else


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Re: One perfect moment [Re: absols]
    #19375779 - 01/06/14 04:10 AM (10 years, 25 days ago)

We are all just doing what we can to make it through our days.  You do whatever works and as long as you are not physically harming another I approve.  As you noticed, there is no freedom, just doing.  So let us do what we do.  :satansmoking:


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Re: One perfect moment [Re: Icelander]
    #19375881 - 01/06/14 05:28 AM (10 years, 25 days ago)

it is more the fact that the only way is superiority, so the plus that no one can stop and the more the plus is a fact the more it is true so it has some effects out that makes it more impossible to stop, at least by dealing with the plus directly

the plus since it is the truth so existence facts, is bluntly any free move that justify its rejection to everything being in positive terms
whether by proving the negative of things being absolutely or by doing something more out of everything limits, more useful then all reality to any issue of being still ...

but yes definitely we have to do a lot to get free of all present powers erasing the fact of ours existence rights

but me, I don't want my existence rights I don't care about it much, especially because existence sucks and I am true
that is why I keep yelling in absolute gibberish ways for anything up to move its ass for those edges that cant be acceptable in anyways nor anywhere ...


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Re: One perfect moment [Re: absols]
    #19375929 - 01/06/14 05:56 AM (10 years, 25 days ago)

so your gibberish is a kind of magical incantation?


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    #19375952 - 01/06/14 06:14 AM (10 years, 25 days ago)

NOoooo.. it is just speed means that I mean to prove through some facts

the point of truth, is what for each positive end something superior show up .. that is how existence is a definitive fact while superiority is the always that can never stop .. the package within existence I guess through different objective freedoms rights secretly known to be positively free consciously

positive freedom as an objective fact is a necessity for truth superiority, the only and exclusive always facts...


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Re: One perfect moment [Re: absols]
    #19376016 - 01/06/14 06:45 AM (10 years, 25 days ago)

Prove to who?  Why?

Existence sucks and you are true.  That's unpleasant at best.
At worst it's hellish.  Maybe that's why you're so cranky?:lol:
It's why I get cranky. But then humor rescues me in a fashion. It's not a cure for sure but it's a good pain reliever. But maybe none of this is painful for you. 

It's too bad really that I find it so difficult to decipher your posts. I think you and I might have much to agree on.  But I'm a great kidder and you don't seem to be and that is a difference.  I used to cry a lot but now I prefer gallows laughter.  It's cleansing for me at least and I'm pretty dirty inside. 

Back to topic, I'll take my perfect day if given a choice. Even though I know I'll give up a lot of semi great moments I'll also be giving up some serious suffering.  When I ask myself the question has it all been worth it I always answer no. :shrug:  I haven't been able to get over this depression.

The advertisement that leads into this vid just about sez it all.:monkeydance:  But this song by JC as always hit home for me.  And hell I've got it good compared to so many.

 


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Re: One perfect moment [Re: Icelander]
    #19376036 - 01/06/14 06:57 AM (10 years, 25 days ago)

mods;
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" NO PERSISTENT ABSOLUTE GIBBERISH "

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    #19376076 - 01/06/14 07:14 AM (10 years, 25 days ago)

Or you could just not read their posts. :shrug:  Much of what you write I consider undecipherable.  I just skip that stuff usually.  I tried talking to you about it but you weren't having any. :wink:


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    #19376082 - 01/06/14 07:15 AM (10 years, 25 days ago)

it is crazy on what regular basis you want to abuse another word ..as your ways of staying up to your mind..

I said gibberish because some posters call my posts that way, so as a reply to that too
but not that I could ever mean that word about anything ..

on the contrary to me absolute thing cant be but clarity, so I guess it is beyond gibberish opposites so what my posts can never meet ..


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    #19376132 - 01/06/14 07:36 AM (10 years, 25 days ago)

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Or you could just not read their posts. :shrug:  Much of what you write I consider undecipherable.  I just skip that stuff usually.  I tried talking to you about it but you weren't having any. :wink:



you and a few others try to discount my creativity,
I don't blame you.
we are not all equal in every way all the time
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    #19376154 - 01/06/14 07:44 AM (10 years, 25 days ago)

I don't discount it any more than you are with the other poster. 
And I don't discount it overall.  It's pretty indecipherable is what I was saying and for the sake of clear communications I was trying to get you to speak english.  None of the Ps in this forum stand for Poet. :wink:


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Re: One perfect moment [Re: Icelander]
    #19376176 - 01/06/14 07:54 AM (10 years, 25 days ago)

The life I live isnt really mine.. it just is. I have met perfection.. it is in everything you see.. (figuratively speaking) . I cannot really say I have anything, but I would give it to a fitting cause. Furthermore, I will not strive to accieve perfection.. it will, as anything else only be kept out of reach... whhat a strange question indeed.


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    #19376192 - 01/06/14 08:01 AM (10 years, 25 days ago)

Well don't take that word to literally.  By "perfect" I mean a moment or time when you are completely satisfied and content with everything. Nothing to be added or subtracted on the physical and emotional levels.  I used to call them golden moments.


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Re: One perfect moment [Re: redgreenvines]
    #19376207 - 01/06/14 08:08 AM (10 years, 25 days ago)

I can't think of a perfect moment.  There have been moments i'm content.  Usually that happens when i learn to accept things as they are, right now, the way they're suppose to be.   

A perfect moment would be feeling 100% free.  From society, government, money, drugs, false expectations, guilt, self loathing, etc.  Being able to exist and feel comfortable as a person, without need or want for anything external.


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Re: One perfect moment [Re: Icelander]
    #19376210 - 01/06/14 08:09 AM (10 years, 25 days ago)

I guess I know what you mean .. I see it like innocence impossible thing to assume alone ..

by definition, being innocent is a witness .. so when it is about oneself conscious it is impossible to be objective about .. especially when we are conditioned to be through evil powers all the way, so it is never us what we look like .. while we are us more then any other way .. when it is through others negative forciful sources on ourselves rights ..

it is like that supernatural powers want us to look like more animals consciously .. it is creepy how those powers think always the cheapest and most inferior way to rule over everything more

animals by definition don't realize being that is why they are associating with things as objects realities.. the condition meaning that humans are conscious animals is also by definition totally and fundamentally opposed to truth and existence rights .. that must be exclusively true

prove to who ?? well, proving being free, when I can say all positive ends by doing it right.. when I prove being free objectively then I am right in asking my way in truth ..

but I always hate proving that even when I was young, I couldn't get how I have to keep doing this .. when I am not what I do .. when we are positive sources we are then free existing fact

who could ever guess that all spaces are filled with egoists that don't care at all about anyone else nor anything out of their own interests in seeing or watching all different realities ..

who could ever guess that even truth freedom is opposed to being true, as if truth means its freedom out of truth .. because I guess truth in truth is infinite so none freedom
then freedom is a plus that even truth wants to get careless about truth values and objective existence rights ..

laughing to me is free, like animals don't laugh

but I am true, that is why I cant laugh when freedom do not exist objectively at all

that is how it is of evil sources means, forcing us to laugh about anything and everything .. the freedom ways of evil wills and life

that is how in the common sense of everybody, laughing is mostly by making fun of others while forcing them to inferiority realms and to lies deformations of themselves rights

I stopped to laugh at a very early age, when I realized that there is something wrong definitely, things are not right nor fair at all inherently or willingly.. so any positive reaction to everything is wrong, because I am kind of true that is why I don't act that, I really cannot laugh anymore .. I just smile or realize the fun I see ..

anyway I was never comfortable in seeing myself .. now I know why.. we are incredibly possessed .. any move is consciously done by someone else not us .. it is not free nor for free .. that is why we must also reject that which is very hard .. that is mostly what I do .. reaching absolutes to prove how our conditions are free and those powers are only to steal our rights and truth rights

I guess conscious beings have a long ways of struggles to make them all up forget about animals beings .. I guess also true up is going to become objective existence so right individualities would become at the end free

but till then right beings like us, must defend themselves freedom and act right continuously while insulting up for not being but evil entities ..

I used to listen to jimmy cliff also .. the pioneer of rasta music, among other things .. but to me, there is no way to go unfortunately, it is all here, just the mean to destroy evil forever .. so things would be all rights .. and conscious (selves) would be all free .. and existence would be true

so when we are not happy we can just rest of doing anything, we could like die normally .. that would be interesting for me to do

but for now, we are forced to fight as it is not only about killing us alive, but also for me the disgust of having to keep watching the powers of lies and inferior forces over all and any value

thank you Icelander for tolerating me, I guess you get me right .. I cant but keep inventing more or saying all I see and know.. so I seem like I am showing off but I am not that at all


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Re: One perfect moment [Re: absols]
    #19376225 - 01/06/14 08:15 AM (10 years, 25 days ago)

It would be easier to count the times I am not content and satifyed with everything.


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Re: One perfect moment [Re: sprinkles]
    #19376240 - 01/06/14 08:18 AM (10 years, 25 days ago)

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A perfect moment would be feeling 100% free.  From society, government, money, drugs, false expectations, guilt, self loathing, etc.  Being able to exist and feel comfortable as a person, without need or want for anything external.




Yeah something like that.  If you could live to be 100 but never feel that, or feel like that for a full day but only live another year, would you?


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    #19376309 - 01/06/14 08:35 AM (10 years, 25 days ago)

for the op, the question is not right .. because you skip the evil factor which is the reason of not seeing how any and all is always exclusively superior rights

so perfection is not a moment, it is all moments and any .. that is how for instance I can be so others too, very much objectively enjoying only what else rights are beings to support more then own selves life ..

anyway, truth comes first so objective is always superior rights

that is how individual conscious beings in truth, don't mean themselves rights so conscious positive freedoms but because wrong and evil is objective powers ..

we could enjoy supporting everything rights more as livings .. it is more interesting anyway

forums and the net in general shout it ... how far everyone seem to enjoy meaning anything and everything ..

but I guess what you mean.. like quality is what matter and not the quantity

this is of course true.. that is how truth is infinite superiority which exist as the only possible existence ways

so infinite cannot be in quantity terms existing, absolute superiority by definition is free so truly some value

but this is the magic of truth value, how existence is of exclusive values, when evil would be totally ruined down



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    #19376326 - 01/06/14 08:39 AM (10 years, 25 days ago)

I think the proposition is too poetic in that you keep trying to redefine it so that it makes sense, and it never really makes sense because the concepts in it are too vague.

You would have to simplify it to more concrete and realistic terms.
i.e.
"would you give up your life, if you could taste a better life for a very short time?"

who would really go for that, even if you asked:
"would you give up your life *within 2 days*, if you could taste a *guaranteed 200% better life* for a very short time *guaranteed to be no less than 10 minutes* ?"

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Re: One perfect moment [Re: Icelander]
    #19376328 - 01/06/14 08:39 AM (10 years, 25 days ago)

thats a hard question.  The survival instinct immediately says live to be 100, even if living is hell.  The other part knows quality of life is more important.  I guess it comes down to experiences.  You can live to be 100, and while you're alive you get to experience things.  When you're dead, obviously you cant anymore. 


I don't know.  some days i wanna blow my head off, so id choose the year.  Which ever i chose I'm sure id wish i chose the other.  lol

would u rather be a ghost and live for eternity in a dimension of "non existence" or die and be dead forever with no consciousness at all?


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    #19376363 - 01/06/14 08:48 AM (10 years, 25 days ago)

the problem in the question is also what it hits freedom as if it never exist, when only freedom exist truly

like if I want to die, it must be free, so not for a reason or because of a certain agreement I signed

and what I talk about that I will do will negate my freedom now and later in doing alone

but also, because freedom is the exclusive existence, that objectively I cannot decide anything .. I can decide myself alone .. so meaning that is like calling or willing to give life to rats to come to kill me after I sign .. it is giving existence to evil


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Re: One perfect moment [Re: sprinkles]
    #19376371 - 01/06/14 08:50 AM (10 years, 25 days ago)

Well I'm not saying we actually could accomplish this in real life.  It's a hypothetical assuming you wouldn't have any DA to get in your way.  Although some few seem to manage it.


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    #19376407 - 01/06/14 08:57 AM (10 years, 25 days ago)

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It would be easier to count the times I am not content and satifyed with everything.




to say that, it means that you are positive person .. you can say your being negative because you are free
and freedom is the positive value

like how evil wills, always point others inferiority and suggest themselves happiness and wealth .. because they are fully from all else and not from themselves .. they need to sit on all to be

and if you let them free, they will really lock all down and keep shitting on

this is the now revelations of powers situation over us

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    #19376433 - 01/06/14 09:03 AM (10 years, 25 days ago)

Take a break. Here is a moment of rest.



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    #19376585 - 01/06/14 09:59 AM (10 years, 25 days ago)

yeah .. even country music knows the lyrics right .. :publicfart:
thanks for this moment of share ... :bye: ninja must go back to work, I must save the universe .. for all what I care about :rofl:


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    #19376673 - 01/06/14 10:27 AM (10 years, 25 days ago)

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... Although some few seem to manage it.



seem to manage what exactly?


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Re: One perfect moment [Re: redgreenvines]
    #19376852 - 01/06/14 11:17 AM (10 years, 24 days ago)

overriding the survival instinct.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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