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OfflineEvil Punkster
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My long term effects of synthetic cannabinoid use
    #19369161 - 01/04/14 04:43 PM (10 years, 26 days ago)

Hello,

first of all: I did not find the ODD forum, so if this post is in the wrong place, I'm sorry. Please move it and tell me where the ODD forum is located because I just can't find it.

So, I've been using spice since about 1,5 years now. The known chemicals are:

  • JWH-210 - preferred and favorite, consumed as incense
  • JWH-250 - a few times consumed as incense
  • AM-2201 - preferred, consumed as pure chemical (30mg per dose)
  • UR-144 - a few times consumed as incense
  • AKB-48 - a few times consumed as pure chemical


I wanted to inform people about the negative long term effects that I've personally experienced. Since they are not very well studied, I thought I'd make a valuable addition to science here (if you can call research chemicals really science), hoping that some day these substances are understood better.

The worst long term effects are abscesses. It usually starts with a pimple somewhere between the legs. I also got one in the groin and one on the neck. Then I squeeze them out but they never really go away, but rather grow and get hard. So I have to go to the surgent to cut it out. I'm living in Germany and have a health insurance, so it isn't such a big problem. I guess my unhealthy eating and my body weight of 140kg (308 punds) also play a role in this. I never had abscesses before my drug use, tho.

Hope that wasn't to gross.

I also obtained the ability to hallucinate on purpose. I can imagine a song and when I'm stressed at least a little bit, I can actually hear it and it plays in my head on its own. That works with a few songs, usualy the once of my spice-playlist :laugh:

I also have the feeling that the usual trails of objects got longer over time. I can't really confirm that since I never cared for moving object trails before my drug experiences.

At one point I had the feeling of slight HPPD for a few days (chemical unknown). It felt like the music I was playing on the piano came directly out of my head rather than out of the piano. I get these effects every time on spice, but back then, they stayed with me for a few days. During these days I also perceived longer trails of moving objects like the cursor on the screen. That was one time only, tho.

When I'm in a phase of heavy consuming, I sometimes wake up in the morning and have this stony vision, like when you're stoned and don't really hallucinate but see things somehow differently.

My heart rate also seems to have permanently increased. I'ts pounding at about 110 BPM normally now.



Note that I mostly used cannabinoids. I did try some other substances (see my signature) but I never used anything else so excessively like cannabinoids. Currently I'm waiting for the rehab to start.


I would like to hear from you, what your long term effects are :smile:
What long term effects did you experience?
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Re: My long term effects of synthetic cannabinoid use [Re: Evil Punkster]
    #19369201 - 01/04/14 04:52 PM (10 years, 26 days ago)

I never got into the RCs or spice or any of that shit, but one of my best friends is dealing with a lot of issues from a methalone and spice addiction. He now has to be medicated, because he hears things, and she's shit that's not there, even while sober. He went to rehab a couple months agp, but the doctors don't know if his condition will improve, stay the same, or get worse. Best luck to ya bro.


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Re: My long term effects of synthetic cannabinoid use [Re: blackwidow187]
    #19369217 - 01/04/14 04:56 PM (10 years, 26 days ago)

To be honest, I kinda like the ability of turning on music "in my head" when I want to. I guess it counts as HPPD but doesn't really bother me. But I don't have any frightening or paranoid hallucinations tho.


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  • 5-MeO-DMT :heart:, N2O, DXM :thumbdown:, 3-MeO-PCP, 2-MeO-Ketamine, Salvia
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Re: My long term effects of synthetic cannabinoid use [Re: Evil Punkster]
    #19369273 - 01/04/14 05:07 PM (10 years, 26 days ago)

I can "turn on" music in my head too. I've always been able to do that. I don't think its weird or uncommon. Its a useful talent when bored.


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Re: My long term effects of synthetic cannabinoid use [Re: Evil Punkster]
    #19369295 - 01/04/14 05:11 PM (10 years, 26 days ago)

Quote:

Evil Punkster said:
The worst long term effects are abscesses. It usually starts with a pimple somewhere between the legs. I also got one in the groin and one on the neck. Then I squeeze them out but they never really go away, but rather grow and get hard. So I have to go to the surgent to cut it out. I'm living in Germany and have a health insurance, so it isn't such a big problem. I guess my unhealthy eating and my body weight of 140kg (308 punds) also play a role in this. I never had abscesses before my drug use, tho.




Reading this made my jaw drop. I always had acne on my back since I was a teenager but recently I've gotten these hard 'pimples' that can never seem to be drained. Wow. If I needed a reason to stop, this is it. Damn that stuff is horrible.

Also, your heart rate being so high seems SO damn dangerous. That's twice what it should be. I would stop. Now.


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Re: My long term effects of synthetic cannabinoid use [Re: Aopocetx]
    #19369399 - 01/04/14 05:36 PM (10 years, 26 days ago)

These 'hard' pimples are abscesses. They need to be cut out by a surgent, otherwise they will never go away. They will only get bigger and uglier over time. I think it's because of the acetone in the spice. At least this is what I imagine to be the cause.


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  • Mushrooms :heart:, LSA, 4-HO-MET, AL-LAD, 25i-NBOMe, 2C-C, 2C-P :heart:
  • 5-MeO-DMT :heart:, N2O, DXM :thumbdown:, 3-MeO-PCP, 2-MeO-Ketamine, Salvia
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Re: My long term effects of synthetic cannabinoid use [Re: Evil Punkster]
    #19369454 - 01/04/14 05:48 PM (10 years, 26 days ago)

Quote:

Evil Punkster said:
These 'hard' pimples are abscesses. They need to be cut out by a surgent, otherwise they will never go away. They will only get bigger and uglier over time. I think it's because of the acetone in the spice. At least this is what I imagine to be the cause.




Oh shit. Well I managed to get rid of one by puncturing it but either way that's no good. It would imply your body is trying to get rid of toxins. I'm glad I read this post because I was wondering what was causing them.

Does anyone know exactly why they form because of spice?


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Re: My long term effects of synthetic cannabinoid use [Re: Aopocetx]
    #19369487 - 01/04/14 05:56 PM (10 years, 26 days ago)

I also tried to cut it open with a scalpel and drain it. It usually never works because I miss the right spot. And if I do hit the right spot and the pus drains out, there is still a 'hard' part left that stays. Also no matter how clean the knife was, your abscess will get infected. My surgend didn't sew the wound because it was so infected!

I don't kow where you're from and if you have a health insurance, but I strongly recommend going to a surgeon. You don't really want to have an abscess on your skin forever, do you?


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Done:
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  • Weed, Spice (JWH-210 :heart:, JWH-250, UR-144), AKB-48, AM-2201,
  • Mushrooms :heart:, LSA, 4-HO-MET, AL-LAD, 25i-NBOMe, 2C-C, 2C-P :heart:
  • 5-MeO-DMT :heart:, N2O, DXM :thumbdown:, 3-MeO-PCP, 2-MeO-Ketamine, Salvia
  • 4-FA, Ethylphenidate :heart:


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Re: My long term effects of synthetic cannabinoid use [Re: Evil Punkster]
    #19369491 - 01/04/14 05:57 PM (10 years, 26 days ago)

Hell no but I'm broke and I don't have insurance. However hopefully I get Obamacare and if so I'll go ASAP.


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Re: My long term effects of synthetic cannabinoid use [Re: Aopocetx]
    #19369533 - 01/04/14 06:04 PM (10 years, 26 days ago)

Boy I'm glad I'm living in Germany. Here, everyone has a health insurance by law. You can also be privately insured, but these insurances usually only take healthy people. Surgery doesn't cost anything. The only thing I had to pay that was expensive was a crown on one tooth. Medications are also relatively inexpensive. You usualy pay minimum 5, maximal 10 Euros for a pack of 100 pills (eg. 100mg Sertraline pills), only if prescribed by a doctor. Aspirin etc. is something you pay yourself.

I have aspergers syndrome and moving to the US is a nogo because of the health insurance issue there.

You pay 15.5 % of your income tho... The money has to come from somewhere

Edit: Also being in a hospital costs 10 Euros per day. You need to collect these bills and at the end of the year, depending on your income, you get everything back except for around 200 Euros which you have to pay yourself.


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Re: My long term effects of synthetic cannabinoid use [Re: Evil Punkster]
    #19369554 - 01/04/14 06:08 PM (10 years, 26 days ago)

That's awesome. I would willingly pay that 15% because I'm sure there's other benefits. The US government doesn't give a shit about its people.


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Re: My long term effects of synthetic cannabinoid use [Re: Aopocetx]
    #19369584 - 01/04/14 06:14 PM (10 years, 26 days ago)

An abscess can be caused by ingrown hairs, cuts or messing with pimples that arnt read to pop.  Typically come with nasty infections like cellulitis which can spread to the blood and bone which is seriously bad, like amputation bad.  Normally the ER or hospital will have to give IV antibiotics to cure the infections followed by 1-2 weeks on oral antibiotics and 1-2 months of wound treatment and that's hoping its not MRSA infection.  Without proper after care they can close and reform a new abscess.

I know alcoholism and IV drug use can cause them so it not a far stretch to think other drug use could cause them also.

Wish you all the best in rehab!


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Re: My long term effects of synthetic cannabinoid use [Re: Aopocetx]
    #19369599 - 01/04/14 06:17 PM (10 years, 26 days ago)

:underage:

The ODD forum is hidden behind some post requirements. I don't really agree with your post. These abscesses could have been caused by a variety of things. I too am a long term spice user. I've had 3 EKG's in the past 2 years, and a physical as close as 2 months ago. All of my doctors have said I am 100% healthy.

I do have skeletal muscular problems, but they were not CAUSED by spice, they just get irritated by spice. Your abscesses could have been caused by HPV for all we know.

I'm sorry but I am disputing your claims. Thanks for posting though.


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Re: My long term effects of synthetic cannabinoid use [Re: Aopocetx]
    #19369612 - 01/04/14 06:19 PM (10 years, 26 days ago)

I'm also waiting for my rehab to start. 6 months, also paid by my health insurance. Otherwise I'd be a homeless heroin addict sooner or later because I just can't solve my addiction problem myself.

This system is based on the fact that most people are healthy and only make little use of the health insurance, paying "too much" if you will. Ill people like me are using up way more, but don't have to pay more. It's only fair. Every else is discriminating in my opinion.

Unemployed people also get money. 60% of their previous income for one year and after that they get a free (small) apartment and about 400 Euros per month plus money for each kid you have. Not much, but in Germany people don't die of hunger because they can't work. And people who are abusing this system and are unwilling to work because they're lazy asses are hated by society.


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Done:
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  • Weed, Spice (JWH-210 :heart:, JWH-250, UR-144), AKB-48, AM-2201,
  • Mushrooms :heart:, LSA, 4-HO-MET, AL-LAD, 25i-NBOMe, 2C-C, 2C-P :heart:
  • 5-MeO-DMT :heart:, N2O, DXM :thumbdown:, 3-MeO-PCP, 2-MeO-Ketamine, Salvia
  • 4-FA, Ethylphenidate :heart:


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Re: My long term effects of synthetic cannabinoid use [Re: DebuteMachine]
    #19369624 - 01/04/14 06:22 PM (10 years, 26 days ago)

Quote:

DebuteMachine said:
I'm sorry but I am disputing your claims. Thanks for posting though.




No offense taken. But I really think these abscesses are due to spice use, because I never had them before. But during my 1,5 year spice abuse I already had 5 of them.


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  • Mushrooms :heart:, LSA, 4-HO-MET, AL-LAD, 25i-NBOMe, 2C-C, 2C-P :heart:
  • 5-MeO-DMT :heart:, N2O, DXM :thumbdown:, 3-MeO-PCP, 2-MeO-Ketamine, Salvia
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Re: My long term effects of synthetic cannabinoid use [Re: Evil Punkster]
    #19369635 - 01/04/14 06:24 PM (10 years, 26 days ago)

Didn't you mention you are a heroine addict as well? That is not meant to be a judgement, I am just thinking of other causes. I never have gotten these abscesses you speak of, so I'm just trying to give you some input as well.

My favorite is jwh-018. I would do a lot to have some more of that :retawed:


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Re: My long term effects of synthetic cannabinoid use [Re: Evil Punkster]
    #19369732 - 01/04/14 06:43 PM (10 years, 26 days ago)

Quote:

Evil Punkster said:
Unemployed people also get money. 60% of their previous income for one year and after that they get a free (small) apartment and about 400 Euros per month plus money for each kid you have. Not much, but in Germany people don't die of hunger because they can't work. And people who are abusing this system and are unwilling to work because they're lazy asses are hated by society.




That's how it should be...


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Re: My long term effects of synthetic cannabinoid use [Re: DebuteMachine]
    #19369807 - 01/04/14 07:00 PM (10 years, 26 days ago)

Correlation does not equal causation.
That being said, these abscesses are most likely bacterial infections, a biopsy is needed to tell for sure. 
Be glad none have been MRSA.
It's theoretically possible for spice to lower the immune system allowing for easier infection.


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Re: My long term effects of synthetic cannabinoid use [Re: blackwidow187]
    #19369906 - 01/04/14 07:21 PM (10 years, 26 days ago)

anything where solvents where used in the making honestly makes me a little nervous. dont like synthetic stuff, it seems like yeah sure, the high has a lot of punch and it makes you see some great mathematics and shit, but i find i a bit of paranoia. when i feel safer i know i have a better time. would like to transition more into shrooms now but theyre hard to get a hold of. or i just dont know the right people. someone gave me this garbage they got under a counter at a sex shop and its just herbs dipped in different shit, all legal here but man i say make that crap illegal and make good old fashioned outdoor green legal here. with the synthetics the people making it need to constantly change the formula and it gets more and more bastardised as the laws change. not a fan. australia is a goddamn kindergarten with its laws anyway. IMHO, you cant beat lucy on a blotter haha


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Re: My long term effects of synthetic cannabinoid use [Re: marsbandit]
    #19370054 - 01/04/14 07:53 PM (10 years, 26 days ago)

glad to hear your experience wasn't tragic. Many people get permanent brain damage from spice, permanent headaches and whatnot. Some people die.

The only effect I noticed was a change in the weed high for awile and an extreme increase in anxiety. The high from it also does not compare to weed. fuck that shit.


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