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Re: ‘Science Guy’ Bill Nye plans debate on Creation Museum [Re: The Doobie Dude]
#19368059 - 01/04/14 12:47 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Shins
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Re: ‘Science Guy’ Bill Nye plans debate on Creation Museum [Re: The Doobie Dude]
#19368086 - 01/04/14 12:51 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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morrowasted said: dumb. whenever a "scientist" wastes time addressing the existence or nonexistence of god [s]he instantly loses so much respect in my eyes. just do science. people who believe in god arent going to watch that shit and change their mind
But it is fun watching someone who believes in God get there anus brutally pounded
Why is that fun?
you obviously hade deep psycholigical issues involving this topic.
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Re: ‘Science Guy’ Bill Nye plans debate on Creation Museum [Re: Shins]
#19368131 - 01/04/14 01:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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science proves that which is knowable. faith knows that which isn't provable.
this, however, is just retarded:

end debate/
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Re: ‘Science Guy’ Bill Nye plans debate on Creation Museum [Re: Crystal G]
#19368439 - 01/04/14 02:00 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Crystal G said: ...You see? Now don't you feel stupid for blowing up for no reason? All of this could have been resolved early on by simply asking what I meant by my statement.
No, I don't feel stupid. You made an unqualified statement without putting it inside of any context. I feel exactly as justified in replying the way that I did now as I did when I replied that way. Even in light of your added context, what you said doesn't make sense. You are saying that people changed sides during the course of the debate, but your original comment was:
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People who believe in God won't change their mind, but people who are on the fence about the subject, or people who are open-minded and don't believe one way or the other will definitely be persuaded by evolution.
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On every single debate, they poll the audience about their beliefs, whether they are pro or con about whatever the topic of debate is about. Audience answer that they are either pro, or con, or have no opinion or are undecided. After the debate ends, they poll the audience again, and some people who were previously pro changed their answers to con, and visa versa. And many people who were previously undecided or on the fence changed their answers to either con or pro after hearing the debate.
If you were assuming that this debate would go the same way the IQ^2 debate went, then people who believe in God would stop believing in God based on evolutionary arguments, and people who don't believe in God would start believing in God based on Creationist arguments, and people who are on the fence would not believe in God based on evolutionary arguments.
Look, I'm not really trying to argue with you, but you seem to be trying to argue with me. All I wanted to do was point out that it is incredibly arrogant and pretentious to have the attitude that undecided individuals will inevitably be persuaded by evolutionary arguments. If you want to keep saying things for me to deconstruct and point out the flaws in, feel free.
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Re: ‘Science Guy’ Bill Nye plans debate on Creation Museum [Re: morrowasted]
#19368474 - 01/04/14 02:08 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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science proves that which is knowable.
Is that so?
Why can't people just accept that science is a useful tool that is inherently language-bound and therefore perpetually incomplete, and stop looking for truth or knowledge?
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Re: ‘Science Guy’ Bill Nye plans debate on Creation Museum [Re: morrowasted]
#19368494 - 01/04/14 02:11 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Atheists are know it alls if you haven't yet noticed.
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Re: ‘Science Guy’ Bill Nye plans debate on Creation Museum [Re: Shins]
#19368538 - 01/04/14 02:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Shins said: Atheists are know it alls if you haven't yet noticed.
I can honestly say that almost all of the atheists I know didn't choose it for intellectual reasons, but as a psychological reaction to some experienced trauma.
I don't believe (or disbelieve) in (any) God(s), but I will never call myself an Atheist. I love how mad people who call themselves Atheists get when I tell them that.
Sorry, but Atheism is a specific position, and it isn't my position.
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Re: ‘Science Guy’ Bill Nye plans debate on Creation Museum [Re: morrowasted] 1
#19368562 - 01/04/14 02:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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GOD IS LOVE!     
I HOPE YOU ALL FIND IT
SATAN IS FEAR     
Don't buy into fear.
Edited by Magicman69 (01/04/14 02:24 PM)
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Re: ‘Science Guy’ Bill Nye plans debate on Creation Museum [Re: morrowasted] 1
#19368640 - 01/04/14 02:40 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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science proves that which is knowable.
Is that so?
Why can't people just accept that science is a useful tool that is inherently language-bound and therefore perpetually incomplete, and stop looking for truth or knowledge?
Science can be applied in many more ways than just language. Hypothesis can be put forward and then tested using controlled experiments and observations. It is not language bound. There are many factors involved in scientific studies other than just language.
And are you actually suggesting that people stop looking for truth and knowledge? And you are an educator? LMFAO
Good luck with that
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Re: ‘Science Guy’ Bill Nye plans debate on Creation Museum [Re: morrowasted]
#19368644 - 01/04/14 02:41 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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morrowasted said: Why can't people just accept that science is a useful tool that is inherently language-bound and therefore perpetually incomplete, and stop looking for truth or knowledge?
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Re: ‘Science Guy’ Bill Nye plans debate on Creation Museum [Re: Confucian]
#19368778 - 01/04/14 03:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Wow, how hard is it to admit science doesn't explain a lot of fundamental questions about the universe. One little hint that science is partial in its understanding and most of you go off the fuckin wall.
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Re: ‘Science Guy’ Bill Nye plans debate on Creation Museum [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#19368813 - 01/04/14 03:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Wow, how hard is it to admit science doesn't explain a lot of fundamental questions about the universe
Of course science cannot answer all questions. However it does answer many many questions. And regarding evolution, it is not about whether or not to believe in it, but whether you understand the science behind it.
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Re: ‘Science Guy’ Bill Nye plans debate on Creation Museum [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#19368973 - 01/04/14 04:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Bodhi of Ankou said: Wow, how hard is it to admit science doesn't explain a lot of fundamental questions about the universe. One little hint that science is partial in its understanding and most of you go off the fuckin wall.
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Re: ‘Science Guy’ Bill Nye plans debate on Creation Museum [Re: LiquidGlass]
#19368974 - 01/04/14 04:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Abiogenesis is not understood as of yet. Generational evolution however is readily apparent.
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Re: ‘Science Guy’ Bill Nye plans debate on Creation Museum [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#19368983 - 01/04/14 04:04 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Bodhi of Ankou said: Abiogenesis is not understood as of yet. Generational evolution however is readily apparent.
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Re: ‘Science Guy’ Bill Nye plans debate on Creation Museum [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#19369139 - 01/04/14 04:39 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Bodhi of Ankou said: Abiogenesis is not understood as of yet. Generational evolution however is readily apparent.
That is true but the debate, which was the subject of this thread, is not really about abiogenesis. It is about evolution of species already living
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Re: ‘Science Guy’ Bill Nye plans debate on Creation Museum [Re: LiquidGlass]
#19369174 - 01/04/14 04:47 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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HOLY SHIT 7 pages?! That escalated quickly......
Anyone traveling from surrounding states to go to this? PM me ill pay for your gas!! My car wouldn't make it...
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Re: ‘Science Guy’ Bill Nye plans debate on Creation Museum [Re: LiquidGlass]
#19370216 - 01/04/14 08:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Bodhi of Ankou said: Abiogenesis is not understood as of yet. Generational evolution however is readily apparent.
That is true but the debate, which was the subject of this thread, is not really about abiogenesis. It is about evolution of species already living
Apparently the debate topic is “Is creationism a viable model of origins?”
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Re: ‘Science Guy’ Bill Nye plans debate on Creation Museum [Re: LiquidGlass]
#19370284 - 01/04/14 09:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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morrowasted said: Look, I'm not really trying to argue with you, but you seem to be trying to argue with me. All I wanted to do was point out that it is incredibly arrogant and pretentious to have the attitude that undecided individuals will inevitably be persuaded by evolutionary arguments. If you want to keep saying things for me to deconstruct and point out the flaws in, feel free.
DUDE. YOU are the one trying to start an argument with ME. Notice how each time I responded I kept saying, "You are taking my statement way too personally, it wasn't meant to mean anything" and you kept pressing about how I meant so and so and so. WHICH ENDED UP MEANING SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT YOU THOUGHT I WAS SAYING. So YOU basically picked a fight with ME OVER NOTHING.
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If you were assuming that this debate would go the same way the IQ^2 debate went
I already stated how I think the debate would go (which is not usually how "the" IQ^2 debates" go, which doesn't even make sense considering there's hundreds and hundreds of debates and each one of them ends totally differently from others).
As stated previously, this is what I would believe would happen:
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People who believe in God won't change their mind, but people who are on the fence about the subject, or people who are open-minded and don't believe one way or the other [about evolution] will definitely be persuaded by evolution.
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then people who believe in God would stop believing in God based on evolutionary arguments, and people who don't believe in God would start believing in God based on Creationist arguments, and people who are on the fence would not believe in God based on evolutionary arguments.
When did I ever say that people who wouldn't believe in God would stop believing in God based on evolution? I said that people don't believe one way or the other, or aren't informed about evolution, would definitely be persuaded by the evolutionist argument.
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science proves that which is knowable.
Is that so?
Why can't people just accept that science is a useful tool that is inherently language-bound and therefore perpetually incomplete, and stop looking for truth or knowledge?
Science can be applied in many more ways than just language. Hypothesis can be put forward and then tested using controlled experiments and observations. It is not language bound. There are many factors involved in scientific studies other than just language.
And are you actually suggesting that people stop looking for truth and knowledge? And you are an educator? LMFAO
Good luck with that
He's an educator from Texas, which essentially means he teaches nothing but propaganda. Read my previous post about the (lack of) academic material that is taught by the Texas school board.
Anybody who says that science is a "language-bound tool" clearly has no conceptual understanding of science.
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Re: ‘Science Guy’ Bill Nye plans debate on Creation Museum [Re: Crystal G]
#19370806 - 01/04/14 11:38 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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He teaches at a university I think.
Regarding the idea of people who believe in God not changing their minds, I don't think you're correct necessarily (even if it's limited to people who say they believe in the God of the Bible.) Not all such people are strongly invested in the Bible being both completely inerrant and completely literal down to the last detail, and afraid of believing any different. Those who are are probably unlikely to change their minds, but some others who are open to a looser approach may just not have got around to looking into evolutionary theory much. Others still already believe evolution to be fact and see no real conflict with their spiritual beliefs.
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