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John in WI
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Hydrating vermiculite with plant food or compost tea
#19368717 - 01/04/14 03:01 PM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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Not even done with grow #1, but studying up for grow #2!
I noticed in one of the TEKs that the author recommended "Earth Juice" to hydrate popcorn with. If I remember from my old cannabis growing years, that's just a high dollar compost tea. Those tend to be low on the NPK but have a decent amount of micronutrients and organic acids.
Another TEK said to reserve the liquid from simmering grains, and use it to hydrate vermiculite, and yet another recommended using ordinary plant food for the same purpose. (I'm leary about the plant food--Miracle Gro absolutely fried 2 of my orchids, even at 1/2 strength dilution).
Do any of you knowledgeable folks recommend the use of extra nutrition when hydrating grains?
This next grow, I'm planning to go with whole rye berries and supplement it with a touch of quinoa, whole amaranth (just a pinch--that stuff is expensive!), and a touch of flax meal. Maybe a touch of vermiculite for air, texture, and water buffering. It seems like it should be a good balanced mix. Especially the amaranth and flax.
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Re: Hydrating vermiculite with plant food or compost tea [Re: John in WI]
#19368735 - 01/04/14 03:06 PM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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you can check violets journal out, i just don't see the need for adding nutrition to grains though
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Re: Hydrating vermiculite with plant food or compost tea [Re: John in WI]
#19368743 - 01/04/14 03:07 PM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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RogerRabbit said: Using plant food on grains probably won't ruin the batch, but it won't do any good either. Grains are already nearly too rich in nutrients, and this is the reason they must be sterilized. Grains are also the reason we consolidate a substrate. They're so rich that blobs and mutants generally develop if we fail to do so. Any plant food in the grains would have been long since metabolized by fruiting time. We also know that excess nutrients slows down colonization. RR
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18405584#18405584
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RogerRabbit said: This has been done hundreds of times. Mushroom mycelium consumes solid food such as manure or compost, straw, etc., not chemical plant food, since they're not plants. RR
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18336999#18336999
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RogerRabbit said: Mushroom mycelium decomposes organic material at the cellular level. In other words they're solid food eaters. Someone could come up with a list of 'nutes' they think mushrooms want and if they applied these chemically ala hydroponics or other means, absolutely nothing would happen and certainly no mushrooms would grow. RR
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17860613#17860613
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Re: Hydrating vermiculite with plant food or compost tea [Re: PussyFart]
#19368878 - 01/04/14 03:38 PM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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thanks for the info and links. I understand that fungi and plants are completely different creatures, that fungi sequester nutrients at the cellular level (vs. "breathing" in CO2 and soaking up sunlight to make carbs, like plants do).
The plant food suggestion seemed off to me--I have never heard of fungi having a specific "NPK" requirement like plants do. (plants mostly need nitrogen to make chlorophyll).
I was interested in the compost tea though. I'm an avid organic veggie grower and in my completely biased opinion, micronutrients have made a huge difference. The plants are lush, the fruits are sweet, and my soil is teaming with life. All from the addition of a mountain of leaves and some rock dust.
Maybe I'll just use the touch of amaranth to add a little protein and micronutes, and call that good enough.
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