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Most and less mind fuckin psychedelics...
    #19367938 - 01/04/14 12:25 PM (10 years, 27 days ago)

Ya... Im not talkin about visuals or body high just about mind-fuck. Which one is the most? and which one is the less in your opinion.


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Re: Most and less mind fuckin psychedelics... [Re: Reality_Dogg]
    #19367954 - 01/04/14 12:29 PM (10 years, 27 days ago)

Dosage over everything. Of the few i've tried, in descending order I'd say:

Salvia
Acid (2 v.strong tabs)
Mushrooms (Several doses between 1-2g lib caps)
2CB

I hear Shrooms are normally more headfucky than acid, but the acid I had blew every shroom trip out of the water and more in terms of mind fuck.


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Re: Most and less mind fuckin psychedelics... [Re: Reality_Dogg] * 2
    #19367979 - 01/04/14 12:32 PM (10 years, 27 days ago)

To me, Salvia was the most mindfucking because I don't understand what happened at all. Next is DOB. And I've only taken shrooms up to 3.5g but from what I've seen acid is more of a mindfuck than that. And I ate a foot of San Pedro and it was the least mindfucking to me. I haven't tried DMT yet except as N,N one time so I can't compare. But it's interesting to see how my experience matches up with others. What do you think is the most mindfuck, OP?


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Re: Most and less mind fuckin psychedelics... [Re: Aopocetx]
    #19367998 - 01/04/14 12:36 PM (10 years, 27 days ago)

I've only had Salvia, Acid and Mushrooms.

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Most: Salvia (without a doubt)

Least: Acid (I've always had: "everything is one" "I can do anything" "I understand everything" type acid trips...)


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Re: Most and less mind fuckin psychedelics... [Re: Reality_Dogg]
    #19368007 - 01/04/14 12:38 PM (10 years, 27 days ago)

Mushrooms have by far the most mindfuck of anything I've tried. 2CE (only at low to medium doses!) has the least.

However, 25i-NBOMe didn't have a lot and neither did allylescaline. The rest were somewhere in the midrange.


Edited by nooneman (01/04/14 12:40 PM)


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Re: Most and less mind fuckin psychedelics... [Re: GoldenEye]
    #19368012 - 01/04/14 12:39 PM (10 years, 26 days ago)

Yeah I had a feeling everyone would be with me on salvia.

I held for like 35 sec, exhaled, put my head in my hands for I don't even know how long, forgot I even smoked salvia, then pretty much forgot I was human, or what a human was :3

Praise the lord for short-lived highs though. I could do salvia again without a 2nd thought - 20 hours of acid not so much!


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Re: Most and less mind fuckin psychedelics... [Re: teenagehippie]
    #19368024 - 01/04/14 12:41 PM (10 years, 26 days ago)

Salvia should be omitted in this discussion because it isn't a 5HT2A agonist. You can call it an atypical psychedelic or a dissociative, but psychedelics are 5HT2A agonists and salvia isn't.


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Re: Most and less mind fuckin psychedelics... [Re: nooneman]
    #19368075 - 01/04/14 12:49 PM (10 years, 26 days ago)

I still class it as a psychedelic experience. Sorry.


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Re: Most and less mind fuckin psychedelics... [Re: teenagehippie]
    #19368088 - 01/04/14 12:51 PM (10 years, 26 days ago)

Mushrooms deliver a swift kick to the brain for me! GIGANTIC mindfuck, especially P. Mexicana fruits. 5-meo-dmt wins, I don't like it, but there is no doubt in my mind that it causes the most mindfuck of any psychedelic that I have tried.


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Re: Most and less mind fuckin psychedelics... [Re: themckid]
    #19368100 - 01/04/14 12:54 PM (10 years, 26 days ago)

For arguments sake would OP mind clarifying...I assume we are talking about mindfuck while under the effects? As opposed to post-trip/integration which I guess would be DMT.


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Re: Most and less mind fuckin psychedelics... [Re: teenagehippie]
    #19368238 - 01/04/14 01:21 PM (10 years, 26 days ago)

I think that he is referring to the thought process scrambling, inaccessibility to sober thought, and other effects that have to do strictly with the way your mind functions without causing euphoria or hallucinations


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Re: Most and less mind fuckin psychedelics... [Re: Aopocetx]
    #19368366 - 01/04/14 01:47 PM (10 years, 26 days ago)

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What do you think is the most mindfuck, OP?



I dont know becouse I havent tried psychedelics yeat only weed. But I'm going to try something really soon.


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Re: Most and less mind fuckin psychedelics... [Re: Reality_Dogg]
    #19368418 - 01/04/14 01:56 PM (10 years, 26 days ago)

Salvia - Most
25c - Least


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Re: Most and less mind fuckin psychedelics... [Re: Reality_Dogg]
    #19368448 - 01/04/14 02:02 PM (10 years, 26 days ago)

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Ya... Im not talkin about visuals or body high just about mind-fuck. Which one is the most? and which one is the less in your opinion.



its all in the mind

set,setting,dose

salvia,shrooms,lsd can be equally mindfucking to me

generally salvia tends to be most, due to setting being more critical with that one
but if laying down the mindfuck is hardly like 3.5g mushrooms


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Re: Most and less mind fuckin psychedelics... [Re: LysergicX7]
    #19368843 - 01/04/14 03:31 PM (10 years, 26 days ago)

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25c - Least



Interesting. 25c had a significant amount of mindfuck for me. I was actually taken by surprise because it had way more than 25i and even a little bit more than 25d, for me anyway.


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Re: Most and less mind fuckin psychedelics... [Re: nooneman]
    #19369102 - 01/04/14 04:31 PM (10 years, 26 days ago)

I think set and setting determines which one mindfucks you more than which psychedelic it actually is.


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Re: Most and less mind fuckin psychedelics... [Re: nooneman]
    #19369776 - 01/04/14 06:54 PM (10 years, 26 days ago)

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25c - Least



Interesting. 25c had a significant amount of mindfuck for me. I was actually taken by surprise because it had way more than 25i and even a little bit more than 25d, for me anyway.



Perhaps I'm not too sure what mindfuck is supposed to mean then.

But I feel that almost all the Nbomes are far less psychologically intense than say an LSD trip or mushroom trip. I'm still able to have coherent conversations on those drugs, I'm not consumed by thoughts usually, im just high.


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Re: Most and less mind fuckin psychedelics... [Re: LysergicX7]
    #19369877 - 01/04/14 07:16 PM (10 years, 26 days ago)

if you want to become your couch talking to people who arent there, try salvia

I prefer LSD, then mushrooms/salvia , in order of most spiritual trip

but salvia is like no other trip, you will remember each trip for the rest of your life
words cant describe, it is cheap, try it

having a sitter is a good idea with salvia... would recommend 20x max, standardized
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Re: Most and less mind fuckin psychedelics... [Re: nooneman]
    #19370906 - 01/05/14 12:12 AM (10 years, 26 days ago)

My last experience with Salvia Divinorum, I thought I had smacked my head on the ground or something. I was super confused and disoriented, hallucinating like crazy, couldn't feel the ground underneath me, and hadn't the slightest idea of what was going on.

With 2C-E, I just have a hard time concentrating on things. Not a big deal. That might change with higher doses, though.

5-MeO-DMT: almost a total absence of mental activity. Emotionally and physically overwhelming with a mental 'flatlining' effect, I'd say. It's clear and intense, but not really chaotic or colourful. That has just been my experience.

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Salvia should be omitted in this discussion because it isn't a 5HT2A agonist. You can call it an atypical psychedelic or a dissociative, but psychedelics are 5HT2A agonists and salvia isn't.




It's not really obligatory. That's a nominal classification which, given the definition of 'psychedelic', inappropriately discriminates by focusing on pharmacology instead of subjective effects. It's open to interpretation, really.


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Re: Most and less mind fuckin psychedelics... [Re: Terratic]
    #19371020 - 01/05/14 01:00 AM (10 years, 26 days ago)

Most, Salvia

Least, Acid


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Re: Most and less mind fuckin psychedelics... [Re: Reality_Dogg]
    #19371368 - 01/05/14 04:30 AM (10 years, 26 days ago)

I'd definitely put mushrooms at the top of the list on this one.


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Re: Most and less mind fuckin psychedelics... [Re: Reality_Dogg]
    #19371507 - 01/05/14 06:25 AM (10 years, 26 days ago)

Most MINDFUCK EVER! :dancingbear: Angels trumpet.

Shrooms have lowest mind fuck for me! :fasted:


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Re: Most and less mind fuckin psychedelics... [Re: rikuni]
    #19371533 - 01/05/14 06:37 AM (10 years, 26 days ago)

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Most MINDFUCK EVER! :dancingbear: Angels trumpet.




That is DEFINITELY not a psychedelic...


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Re: Most and less mind fuckin psychedelics... [Re: Aopocetx]
    #19371546 - 01/05/14 06:46 AM (10 years, 26 days ago)

your a moron. its a psychedelic if you use it correctly.:psychsplit:


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Re: Most and less mind fuckin psychedelics... [Re: Reality_Dogg]
    #19371550 - 01/05/14 06:51 AM (10 years, 26 days ago)

Mind fuck is kinda a subjective term IMO, but I find LSD and mescaline to be more "clear headed" usually than mushrooms and DMT. It can be dosage dependent too though.


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Re: Most and less mind fuckin psychedelics... [Re: rikuni]
    #19371560 - 01/05/14 06:56 AM (10 years, 26 days ago)

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your a moron. its a psychedelic if you use it correctly.:psychsplit:




If I needed proof that I shouldn't take anything you say seriously, this is it. Does the Shroomery have a block button? Take it easy 'rikuni.'


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Re: Most and less mind fuckin psychedelics... [Re: Aopocetx]
    #19371566 - 01/05/14 07:01 AM (10 years, 26 days ago)

what should I say you live it up to my previous comment perfectly:elmo:


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Re: Most and less mind fuckin psychedelics... [Re: rikuni]
    #19371811 - 01/05/14 08:43 AM (10 years, 26 days ago)

From least mindfucky to most in my opinion:

Phenethylamines -> Lysergamides -> Tryptamines


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Re: Most and less mind fuckin psychedelics... [Re: Acidreamer]
    #19371924 - 01/05/14 09:24 AM (10 years, 26 days ago)

Most to Least, IMO:
Salvia
Shrooms
DMT/LSD (I think these 2 are about the same in mindfuck, but very dose dependent)
25i (more of a "going crazy" feeling than mindfuck)
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Re: Most and less mind fuckin psychedelics... [Re: sanchothestoner]
    #19371978 - 01/05/14 09:38 AM (10 years, 26 days ago)

for me its the most mind fuck comes from mushrooms/lsd at high doses they do the same thing to me only opposite from eachother

the absolute least would be smoked dmt for me as I feel completely sober through out.

salvia would be second least because it is so weird I can't process what is going on and accept it and don't realize I was tripping until about 2 minutes after its over

also the 2cx chems give me body high with visuals but my mind is sober leading to boring experiences. I personally trip for the mind fuck more than anything


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Re: Most and less mind fuckin psychedelics... [Re: allseeingike]
    #19372384 - 01/05/14 11:12 AM (10 years, 26 days ago)

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at high doses they do the same thing to me only opposite from eachother




:lolwut:

Same, same, but different!


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Re: Most and less mind fuckin psychedelics... [Re: GoldenEye]
    #19372852 - 01/05/14 01:01 PM (10 years, 25 days ago)

If 'mindfuck' means that you can hardly make anything out of it, or forget what's happening, or feel insane, then for me Salvia first. By the time I realize that I'm tripping I'm already down. On the other hand heroic mushrooms completely shatter my mind. When I peak I often find myself absolutely unable to think because of the rush of "alien" information. It really feels insane. :mushroom2: I don't have much experience with acid, on my most memorable trip I felt like if I was meditating. It cleared my mind and I was just observing the surroundings, it was blissful, quite the opposite of 'mindfuck' actually. Though it was obviously not an intense trip. I've yet to try the other psychedelics, but so far Salvia seems completely incomprehensible and I can't help but feel disappointed because of that (and this is actually the most mindfucking. :grin: ).


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Re: Most and less mind fuckin psychedelics... [Re: VaultKnowledge]
    #19374496 - 01/05/14 07:41 PM (10 years, 25 days ago)

The most is definitely 4 ho det iv'd. Thats just in my experiences. Acid was the best. Shrooms has its ups and downs.


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    #19374662 - 01/05/14 08:22 PM (10 years, 25 days ago)

For me, I'd have to agree with Into The Woods.
Mushrooms definitely have mindfucked me the most; With psilocybin, I feel like thoughts are flooding my head and my brain can process hundreds of thoughts at once.

In a list from most to least mindfuck:
Mushrooms: Brain totally occupied with thoughts, sometimes unable to speak.
LSD: Pretty clear-headed to me, but a little drunk-like.
2C-E: Haven't tried more than a threshold dose, but very clear-headed.
25i-NBOMe: I only got visuals, and absolutely no headspace. I almost felt sober.


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Re: Most and less mind fuckin psychedelics... [Re: MindDrips]
    #19374767 - 01/05/14 08:58 PM (10 years, 25 days ago)

Most: Salvia/DMT
Least: RC's like one of the NBOMe's


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    #19375540 - 01/06/14 01:36 AM (10 years, 25 days ago)

I could drive on mescaline and talk to people for hours, on mushrooms I had to lay down and be alone.


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    #19375705 - 01/06/14 03:08 AM (10 years, 25 days ago)

Currently growing mushrooms so I can try them and I have to say spice/incense was tooooooo much of a mind fuck. Felt like I was in it for eternity and I was doing endless front flips as I fell down a hole..... Another time I was sitting on a chair and looked at my feet, saw a hole again and I was falling through it. Other times I go into this place that so surreal, everything is this one color that's indescribable and euphoric as fuck. Scary but when you come down from it, feels like you know what real life actually is and you feel like the trip was actual real life and this right now is all a dream. Had bad derealization after smoking it every night for 2 months. You could say I was addict but I'm clean now and still craving it


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Re: Most and less mind fuckin psychedelics... [Re: Aopocetx]
    #19375903 - 01/06/14 05:39 AM (10 years, 25 days ago)

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To me, Salvia was the most mindfucking because I don't understand what happened at all. Next is DOB. And I've only taken shrooms up to 3.5g but from what I've seen acid is more of a mindfuck than that. And I ate a foot of San Pedro and it was the least mindfucking to me. I haven't tried DMT yet except as N,N one time so I can't compare. But it's interesting to see how my experience matches up with others. What do you think is the most mindfuck, OP?




In my experience San Pedro has always been a strange almost spooky trip that really brings out the shadows. Everytime I've ever done it, (only a few times) I could definitely feel it for like a week afterwards and each time felt like it changed me forever.

Back in the day I used to take some LSD and then about 4 hours into it lay down in a totally dark room, on the floor, on a blanket, then smoke a one hit of Salvia d. 20x extract... usually after smoking a joint. This would induce a very high level total out of body trip for me, very similar to a lot of the DMT trips and Near Death Experiences I've read about. It was always a bit scary at first!


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Re: Most and less mind fuckin psychedelics... [Re: AlienJesus]
    #19375931 - 01/06/14 05:58 AM (10 years, 25 days ago)

With mescaline, you can almost choose how much mind fuck you experience. As in you can concentrate when you have to. Which makes it hard to rank here


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Re: Most and less mind fuckin psychedelics... [Re: Reality_Dogg]
    #19375997 - 01/06/14 06:39 AM (10 years, 25 days ago)

Most: Mushrooms
Least: Allylescaline


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Re: Most and less mind fuckin psychedelics... [Re: Reality_Dogg]
    #19380811 - 01/07/14 03:38 AM (10 years, 24 days ago)

Marijuana in the form of concentrates and edibles with no tolerance was profoundly psychedelic, luridly anxiogenic, and unfathomably mad.
High doses of mushrooms are similarly mind-bending. Acid was easier to handle than either of the other two, but I've only had comparatively low doses.


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    #19380815 - 01/07/14 03:42 AM (10 years, 24 days ago)

Try taking a high dose of LSD, it is the best psychedelic

but only after working your way up there, it will change your life after a high dose

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Re: Most and less mind fuckin psychedelics... [Re: lessismore]
    #19380838 - 01/07/14 03:50 AM (10 years, 24 days ago)

That's my goal. My experience with low doses was super fun, but not profoundly insightful. I'd like to give a high dose a try when I have the spare time to commit to it.
I find mushrooms really great as a tool for introspection, but the mindfuck factor of my previous heroic dosing still lingers in my mind and I'm not entirely ready to repeat that experience yet.


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Re: Most and less mind fuckin psychedelics... [Re: something super extreme]
    #19380893 - 01/07/14 04:21 AM (10 years, 24 days ago)

psytrance is essential IMO, I only learned that genre after using LSD :-)
makes any trip 10x better
youtube has lots of it

dose is not so important (just take enough so it doesnt get boring), set,setting is important
best trips are usually alone, psytrance, walk in nature
normal music tends to be overanalyzed on LSD, but psytrance is like electronic LSD


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Re: Most and less mind fuckin psychedelics... [Re: lessismore]
    #19381053 - 01/07/14 05:56 AM (10 years, 24 days ago)

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mio said:
psytrance is essential IMO, I only learned that genre after using LSD :-)
makes any trip 10x better
youtube has lots of it

dose is not so important (just take enough so it doesnt get boring), set,setting is important
best trips are usually alone, psytrance, walk in nature
normal music tends to be overanalyzed on LSD, but psytrance is like electronic LSD




I totally agree. Helps me stay grounded too.


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