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Most and less mind fuckin psychedelics...
    #19367938 - 01/04/14 12:25 PM (10 years, 27 days ago)

Ya... Im not talkin about visuals or body high just about mind-fuck. Which one is the most? and which one is the less in your opinion.


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Re: Most and less mind fuckin psychedelics... [Re: Reality_Dogg]
    #19367954 - 01/04/14 12:29 PM (10 years, 27 days ago)

Dosage over everything. Of the few i've tried, in descending order I'd say:

Salvia
Acid (2 v.strong tabs)
Mushrooms (Several doses between 1-2g lib caps)
2CB

I hear Shrooms are normally more headfucky than acid, but the acid I had blew every shroom trip out of the water and more in terms of mind fuck.


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Re: Most and less mind fuckin psychedelics... [Re: Reality_Dogg] * 2
    #19367979 - 01/04/14 12:32 PM (10 years, 27 days ago)

To me, Salvia was the most mindfucking because I don't understand what happened at all. Next is DOB. And I've only taken shrooms up to 3.5g but from what I've seen acid is more of a mindfuck than that. And I ate a foot of San Pedro and it was the least mindfucking to me. I haven't tried DMT yet except as N,N one time so I can't compare. But it's interesting to see how my experience matches up with others. What do you think is the most mindfuck, OP?


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Re: Most and less mind fuckin psychedelics... [Re: Aopocetx]
    #19367998 - 01/04/14 12:36 PM (10 years, 27 days ago)

I've only had Salvia, Acid and Mushrooms.

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Most: Salvia (without a doubt)

Least: Acid (I've always had: "everything is one" "I can do anything" "I understand everything" type acid trips...)


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Re: Most and less mind fuckin psychedelics... [Re: Reality_Dogg]
    #19368007 - 01/04/14 12:38 PM (10 years, 27 days ago)

Mushrooms have by far the most mindfuck of anything I've tried. 2CE (only at low to medium doses!) has the least.

However, 25i-NBOMe didn't have a lot and neither did allylescaline. The rest were somewhere in the midrange.


Edited by nooneman (01/04/14 12:40 PM)


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Re: Most and less mind fuckin psychedelics... [Re: GoldenEye]
    #19368012 - 01/04/14 12:39 PM (10 years, 27 days ago)

Yeah I had a feeling everyone would be with me on salvia.

I held for like 35 sec, exhaled, put my head in my hands for I don't even know how long, forgot I even smoked salvia, then pretty much forgot I was human, or what a human was :3

Praise the lord for short-lived highs though. I could do salvia again without a 2nd thought - 20 hours of acid not so much!


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Re: Most and less mind fuckin psychedelics... [Re: teenagehippie]
    #19368024 - 01/04/14 12:41 PM (10 years, 27 days ago)

Salvia should be omitted in this discussion because it isn't a 5HT2A agonist. You can call it an atypical psychedelic or a dissociative, but psychedelics are 5HT2A agonists and salvia isn't.


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Re: Most and less mind fuckin psychedelics... [Re: nooneman]
    #19368075 - 01/04/14 12:49 PM (10 years, 27 days ago)

I still class it as a psychedelic experience. Sorry.


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Re: Most and less mind fuckin psychedelics... [Re: teenagehippie]
    #19368088 - 01/04/14 12:51 PM (10 years, 27 days ago)

Mushrooms deliver a swift kick to the brain for me! GIGANTIC mindfuck, especially P. Mexicana fruits. 5-meo-dmt wins, I don't like it, but there is no doubt in my mind that it causes the most mindfuck of any psychedelic that I have tried.


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Re: Most and less mind fuckin psychedelics... [Re: themckid]
    #19368100 - 01/04/14 12:54 PM (10 years, 27 days ago)

For arguments sake would OP mind clarifying...I assume we are talking about mindfuck while under the effects? As opposed to post-trip/integration which I guess would be DMT.


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Re: Most and less mind fuckin psychedelics... [Re: teenagehippie]
    #19368238 - 01/04/14 01:21 PM (10 years, 27 days ago)

I think that he is referring to the thought process scrambling, inaccessibility to sober thought, and other effects that have to do strictly with the way your mind functions without causing euphoria or hallucinations


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Re: Most and less mind fuckin psychedelics... [Re: Aopocetx]
    #19368366 - 01/04/14 01:47 PM (10 years, 26 days ago)

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What do you think is the most mindfuck, OP?



I dont know becouse I havent tried psychedelics yeat only weed. But I'm going to try something really soon.


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Re: Most and less mind fuckin psychedelics... [Re: Reality_Dogg]
    #19368418 - 01/04/14 01:56 PM (10 years, 26 days ago)

Salvia - Most
25c - Least


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Re: Most and less mind fuckin psychedelics... [Re: Reality_Dogg]
    #19368448 - 01/04/14 02:02 PM (10 years, 26 days ago)

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Ya... Im not talkin about visuals or body high just about mind-fuck. Which one is the most? and which one is the less in your opinion.



its all in the mind

set,setting,dose

salvia,shrooms,lsd can be equally mindfucking to me

generally salvia tends to be most, due to setting being more critical with that one
but if laying down the mindfuck is hardly like 3.5g mushrooms


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Re: Most and less mind fuckin psychedelics... [Re: LysergicX7]
    #19368843 - 01/04/14 03:31 PM (10 years, 26 days ago)

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25c - Least



Interesting. 25c had a significant amount of mindfuck for me. I was actually taken by surprise because it had way more than 25i and even a little bit more than 25d, for me anyway.


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Re: Most and less mind fuckin psychedelics... [Re: nooneman]
    #19369102 - 01/04/14 04:31 PM (10 years, 26 days ago)

I think set and setting determines which one mindfucks you more than which psychedelic it actually is.


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Re: Most and less mind fuckin psychedelics... [Re: nooneman]
    #19369776 - 01/04/14 06:54 PM (10 years, 26 days ago)

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25c - Least



Interesting. 25c had a significant amount of mindfuck for me. I was actually taken by surprise because it had way more than 25i and even a little bit more than 25d, for me anyway.



Perhaps I'm not too sure what mindfuck is supposed to mean then.

But I feel that almost all the Nbomes are far less psychologically intense than say an LSD trip or mushroom trip. I'm still able to have coherent conversations on those drugs, I'm not consumed by thoughts usually, im just high.


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Re: Most and less mind fuckin psychedelics... [Re: LysergicX7]
    #19369877 - 01/04/14 07:16 PM (10 years, 26 days ago)

if you want to become your couch talking to people who arent there, try salvia

I prefer LSD, then mushrooms/salvia , in order of most spiritual trip

but salvia is like no other trip, you will remember each trip for the rest of your life
words cant describe, it is cheap, try it

having a sitter is a good idea with salvia... would recommend 20x max, standardized
be alone with sitter, sit up, hold hit for 30secs


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Re: Most and less mind fuckin psychedelics... [Re: nooneman]
    #19370906 - 01/05/14 12:12 AM (10 years, 26 days ago)

My last experience with Salvia Divinorum, I thought I had smacked my head on the ground or something. I was super confused and disoriented, hallucinating like crazy, couldn't feel the ground underneath me, and hadn't the slightest idea of what was going on.

With 2C-E, I just have a hard time concentrating on things. Not a big deal. That might change with higher doses, though.

5-MeO-DMT: almost a total absence of mental activity. Emotionally and physically overwhelming with a mental 'flatlining' effect, I'd say. It's clear and intense, but not really chaotic or colourful. That has just been my experience.

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Salvia should be omitted in this discussion because it isn't a 5HT2A agonist. You can call it an atypical psychedelic or a dissociative, but psychedelics are 5HT2A agonists and salvia isn't.




It's not really obligatory. That's a nominal classification which, given the definition of 'psychedelic', inappropriately discriminates by focusing on pharmacology instead of subjective effects. It's open to interpretation, really.


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Re: Most and less mind fuckin psychedelics... [Re: Terratic]
    #19371020 - 01/05/14 01:00 AM (10 years, 26 days ago)

Most, Salvia

Least, Acid


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