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magickspore



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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: cronicr]
#19323404 - 12/24/13 09:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thank you.
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cronicr



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anne halonium
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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: cronicr]
#19324784 - 12/25/13 08:25 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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cronicr said: don't mind her and her standards your fine by the rest of us
standards like bio safety, fire saftey , energy and water conservation, modern equip, solid security ,owning a PC, using subs of known content / origin, advanced lighting, and a recycling attitude, along with demanding high BE and power crops, fast?
all the things im famous for .... clean and efficient food safe quality, you know , all that stuff only loosers bother with.
i dont feel a need to apologize for my standards in this thread. ill make a note you guys feel differently about these things.
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cronicr



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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: cronicr]
#19325417 - 12/25/13 12:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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all start humble, aspiration and skill, set the curve over time.
some peeps dream of owning a plane. im dreaming how i want my air force parked and distributed among airports.
my message is simple. " go for the grow ya demand and deserve, limits are for the lame"
if i hated you guys, id tell ya to think small and be timid. and thats the last thing annie would ever say.
i think this thread is a noble step indeed. and very commendable.
but really, everyone with a degree of experience, with both grains and bulks to scale, over time, has kinda already seen it for themselves and knows. so , it all amounts to a test for those who havent seen both yet.
v tek, is "oss and oeric", with mods and new equip. as one of the first mass teks ever, it kinda stands iconic, and has stood a nearly 40 yrs test of time for output value to sub.
those who havent read oss and oeric, should. and realize who wrote it, and how they got thier info.
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Pastywhyte
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Well I haven't read oss & oeric, but I do know who wrote it and I'm sure the info is good. That being said, things work differently for everyone, so I got to test things to see how they work for me. I am sorry that everything got off to a slow start, life kinda got in the way for a bit. But this thing is moving now. 3 pp5 containers are cased and in the SGFC, will probably case the others in another day or so. The microwaved casing did come out nicely, hopefully it does the job. The monotub is pretty much done, I will probably case it tomorrow, pics will follow.
Obviously with most of my cultivation experience being limited to bulks, I am more comfortable with those, and it will take me some time to get a similar degree of familiarity with the pp5's. I am confident that when I do my straight up comparison and when I do my tek vs tek experiment, both teks will be on even footing.
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theres alot of factors. one must ask questions.
one must always consider what they are out for, and the cost effort equation.
the person with few $ , casual interest, and a need for a few, is fine, and whatever their approach that works, is pry good as any.
some , are out for extreme ops, in dense urban areas with exotic high value crops, and high over head cost.
teks , must be adjusted.
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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: cronicr]
#19366181 - 01/03/14 10:38 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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cronicr said: don't mind her and her standards your fine by the rest of us
"Her standards" are so elite that "she" gets ignored by more users than anyone else. This says lots for "her". I ignored "her" because there is no way that I will learn anything from "her" and the stock photos of labs that "she" allegedly works in.
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MudaFuka
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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: cronicr]
#19366188 - 01/03/14 10:40 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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the grow in this thread is very interesting and I cant wait to see how it turns out. its just to bad there is so much bickering and bull shit to sift threw.
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Pastywhyte
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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: cronicr]
#19366493 - 01/04/14 12:19 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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cronicr said:

Sorry to keep ya'll waiting, blame it on the winter and my cold ass basement That being said, I really have not done the bulk side of things any favors. Spawned the sub late, sterilized the sub, cased late, cold temps, etc. Yet in spite of all that, I got me some pins and a fuckload of primordia and knots showing up in that tub. Might put up some pics tomorrow.
On the V tek side, I'm finding maintenance to be a pain with the daily mistings and I already had to re-hydrate the SGFC. The casing has been lightly colonized and I was starting to feel a little despondent about them, but today I noticed a pretty healthy pin showing up in one of the containers near the side. Should have some pics of those soon too. I am wondering when I should start to bottom water, when the first pins appear, or when the first flush is set up?
So be patient people, the results are coming
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mushrume man
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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: cronicr]
#19366811 - 01/04/14 04:06 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I believe the water is only needed after the grain pulls away from the container at peak of first flush
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Seems to me like your problem is not with vtek containers but the FC you chose for them. SGFC needs that misting to keep itself humidified. I don't see what's so pain-in-the-ass about a little daily misting anyway. Takes like 30sec
A casing layer is a casing layer. If you have to give them different moisture attention, you're providing a difference in moisture conditions.
I don't use SGFCs. Its style of "automated" humidification and air motion is calling for way more misting than is necessary. Instead I keep enclosed containment. By having only as little FAE (fanning) as necessary they lose, and thus have replaced, only as little moisture as is necessary. I find 1-2 fannings and mistings a day to be quite low maintenance and works wonderfully for me. With some of my custom fruiting chambers I don't even fan or mist anyway.
Besides, I've not misted anything in over half a year. Full Invitro, suckas!
Don't you guys think it's funny when "people" go out of "their" way to post about "people" they've "ignored"? Especially when "they" have to bring a topic back up from 11 days to do it? Lame. I don't see why some people are even on here.
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mushrume man
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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: Violet]
#19366930 - 01/04/14 05:23 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Wouldn't a mono tub full of pp5's all cased moderately be closer to an actual mono tub, as far as for comparison? It should be set and forget too right?... At least till the first flush is underway
Sorry if this is
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Pastywhyte
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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: Violet]
#19367834 - 01/04/14 12:04 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Violet said: I don't use SGFCs. Its style of "automated" humidification and air motion is calling for way more misting than is necessary. Instead I keep enclosed containment. By having only as little FAE (fanning) as necessary they lose, and thus have replaced, only as little moisture as is necessary. I find 1-2 fannings and mistings a day to be quite low maintenance and works wonderfully for me. With some of my custom fruiting chambers I don't even fan or mist anyway.
Wish we could see some pics of these custom FC's, perhaps shots of them should be part of the writeup. That being said, I'm not really a SGFC guy either, more of a monotub person where I don't even really look at them until a few days to a week later. If using a SGFC is part of the problem, then why does it say you can use them in the tek? If this custom FC is the way to get good results with these then I really would have wanted to build one (provided the cost was not too extreme). For sure I will want to build one for my next attempt. Please give me some details.
For most people misting a couple times a day is not a problem, but for me it its hard to remember to do it before 5am when I leave for work, and by the time I get home at 7pm all I want to do is go to bed. Of course I always make time for mycology everyday, but this ain't my only iron in the fire Hopefully work will even itself out soon and allow for a little more babysitting.
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mushrume man said: Wouldn't a mono tub full of pp5's all cased moderately be closer to an actual mono tub, as far as for comparison? It should be set and forget too right?... At least till the first flush is underway
I doubt it. A monotub relies on the water in the bulk substrate to keep the RH constant.
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cronicr



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So be patient people, the results are coming 
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J. Jack Flash
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Pastywhyte said:
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mushrume man said: Wouldn't a mono tub full of pp5's all cased moderately be closer to an actual mono tub, as far as for comparison? It should be set and forget too right?... At least till the first flush is underway
I doubt it. A monotub relies on the water in the bulk substrate to keep the RH constant.
how about a monotub loaded with perlite like a shotgun, performing the function of the hydrated bulk?
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Pastywhyte
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Without air coming up from the bottom, perlite is pretty much useless. I suppose that holes could be drilled into the bottom of the monotub to aid this. For this first run though I wanted to use something proven to provide good RH and FAE, a shotgun is not ideal for my environment, but I at least have some experience with it, better than messing with a unproven setup IMO.
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