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art2312
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first microscope!!!!!!!!!
#19367679 - 01/04/14 11:28 AM (10 years, 27 days ago) |
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Hey everyone!! So my first microscope finally came today!!!!!! But I have a couple questions that the manual didn't answer....the box says "40x-640x Magnification" will this be good enough for now? I'm not quite sure what that means exactly. And also, could someone point me in the direction of a good myco microscope site please? I have some Gymns and Amanita I would love to look at! Thanks for any advice!!!!
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Re: first microscope!!!!!!!!! [Re: art2312]
#19367693 - 01/04/14 11:31 AM (10 years, 27 days ago) |
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You will need 1000x unfortunately...
Also, reading this book will help even if its old.
http://www.amazon.com/How-Identify-Mushrooms-Genus-III/dp/0916422097
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Re: first microscope!!!!!!!!! [Re: Byrain]
#19367714 - 01/04/14 11:36 AM (10 years, 27 days ago) |
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Oh no......and there goes my great day... well thank you Byrain, for the horrible news and helpfulness lol
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Re: first microscope!!!!!!!!! [Re: art2312]
#19367763 - 01/04/14 11:49 AM (10 years, 27 days ago) |
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What objectives came with your 'scope?
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art2312
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Brine, yeast, onion bulb, hydria verticllata and stoma...the latter three are prepared slides....
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Re: first microscope!!!!!!!!! [Re: art2312]
#19367820 - 01/04/14 12:02 PM (10 years, 27 days ago) |
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Cool. As for the microscope's hardware, what objectives came with it?
Maybe you could post some pics of it?
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Sorry...I've already packed it back up to send back. But it came with some cool stuff...specimen slicer, plastic tweezers, magnifying glass, and a few other things. I'm going to call the schools in my area Monday and see if I can't scrounge up a real scope. I had my hopes up so much for this... ill get it though.
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Re: first microscope!!!!!!!!! [Re: art2312]
#19368006 - 01/04/14 12:38 PM (10 years, 27 days ago) |
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Ask Alan, he always seems to know which ones are good buys currently. Do you have a link where you got your scope so we can see what it is better?
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Re: first microscope!!!!!!!!! [Re: art2312]
#19368009 - 01/04/14 12:38 PM (10 years, 27 days ago) |
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800x will work fine.
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Re: first microscope!!!!!!!!! [Re: Joust]
#19368029 - 01/04/14 12:42 PM (10 years, 27 days ago) |
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Even for the minute spore ornamentation on something like Peziza arvernensis?
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art2312
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Re: first microscope!!!!!!!!! [Re: Byrain]
#19368071 - 01/04/14 12:48 PM (10 years, 27 days ago) |
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Re: first microscope!!!!!!!!! [Re: art2312]
#19368089 - 01/04/14 12:52 PM (10 years, 27 days ago) |
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Yea, you really will have more fun with a real scope. 
That might be fine for plant cells though...
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Re: first microscope!!!!!!!!! [Re: Byrain]
#19368161 - 01/04/14 01:07 PM (10 years, 27 days ago) |
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Byrain said: Even for the minute spore ornamentation on something like Peziza arvernensis?
Comon Byrain, its his first scope, I dont think he will be doing crazy microscopy to start. I got my first scope it went 600x. it worked well for general features and looking at spores. Then i got an 800x and i liked it, then i descided i wanted more and got the 200-2000x Omax that I use today. I want another, like a zeiss or something, someday in teh far future.. I recommend you Get a cheap scope, if you like it get a good one in time. Quote:
Byrain said: Yea, you really will have more fun with a real scope. 
That might be fine for plant cells though...
You will have fun with a real scope, but they tend to cost real moneies...
Im with you Byrain, you know i am. . Op should get a really nice expensive scope so he has to use it
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Re: first microscope!!!!!!!!! [Re: art2312]
#19368205 - 01/04/14 01:15 PM (10 years, 27 days ago) |
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Art2312, take 5 minutes or a bit more and read the part in this link titled "Purchasing An Introductory Microscope".
I strongly believe that if you're going to make a purchase, you should have a camera/imager to share your photos.
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Thank you guys for all your help! I guess I was too excited and didn't do my research first... live and learn! I like Joust's idea... maybe ill stop for a couple months and just use that money to get a really nice one that can't just sit around Joust, you said you started with a 600X, mine says "40X-640X" does that mean it magnifies between 40 times and 640 times? I tried looking at some Gymn spores but all I could see was a dark spot where the spores were...I didn't put a drop of water on it either tho...
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Re: first microscope!!!!!!!!! [Re: Joust]
#19368331 - 01/04/14 01:41 PM (10 years, 27 days ago) |
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Joust said: Comon Byrain, its his first scope, I dont think he will be doing crazy microscopy to start. I got my first scope it went 600x. it worked well for general features and looking at spores. Then i got an 800x and i liked it, then i descided i wanted more and got the 200-2000x Omax that I use today. I want another, like a zeiss or something, someday in teh far future.. I recommend you Get a cheap scope, if you like it get a good one in time.
I'm still on my first scope, the important part is how you section the material not what scope you use. Though it was nice having a scope with kohler illumination and 1000x ootb to grow into, I paid ~$300 from an ebay seller. I didn't really know what I was looking for so I just went with something Alan recommended to someone else...
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Re: first microscope!!!!!!!!! [Re: art2312]
#19368368 - 01/04/14 01:47 PM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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And thank you for that link Lightning. Now ill know what to look for. I appreciate that
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Re: first microscope!!!!!!!!! [Re: art2312]
#19368382 - 01/04/14 01:49 PM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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Re: first microscope!!!!!!!!! [Re: art2312]
#19368398 - 01/04/14 01:53 PM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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So I should probably shoot for a 1,000X then, it sounds like... I'm moving to SC in March and the lady that is head of the Mycology society is a Mycologist at Clemson...maybe she could hook me up with a good scope...
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Re: first microscope!!!!!!!!! [Re: art2312] 1
#19370065 - 01/04/14 07:57 PM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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The magnification does not matter much, what matters is that your scope has a 100x oil immersion objective. This separates toy scopes from useful ones.
Also you want binocular or trinocular, monocular scopes give a lot of people headaches.
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Is the objective the eyepiece(s) or something different? They have a different one at toys r us that's 900x but I'm not sure what comes with it...
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Re: first microscope!!!!!!!!! [Re: art2312]
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Re: first microscope!!!!!!!!! [Re: Byrain]
#19370282 - 01/04/14 09:02 PM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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Ooooo....Very cool. I doubt the toys r us scope will have that tho.... Thank you guys, really! Sorry if these questions are dumb and/or have been answered...I'm on my phone right now and its acting up...sorry and thank you guys again! I can not wait to get this microscope!!!
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Re: first microscope!!!!!!!!! [Re: art2312]
#19370350 - 01/04/14 09:21 PM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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I recommend the Amscope B-100ms or equivalent Omax scope from ebay.
There is a microscopy forum here with some good, info, but not many people check it often...
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/postlist.php/Board/170
There is also a pretty good Fungal Microscopy group on Facebook.
I agree that it is super important to get some way to take good pictures through your scope. The first year or 2 you won't have much of an idea what you are looking at, and it really helps the learning curve to be able to share your photos and have other people comment on them.
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I really appreciate all the info Alan! I will definitely keep that in mind when shopping around. And thank you for the link also! I love this place lol...you guys are the best thanks!!
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Re: first microscope!!!!!!!!! [Re: art2312]
#19371280 - 01/05/14 03:20 AM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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Ask around your local hospitals, they often update their equipment and sit the old ones in a dusty cupboard somewhere, I got my scope for free and made a donation to the hospital as thanks.
You want to talk to someone in their labs, they'll know what they have laying around, or if not have a look for you.
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Stopwhispering said: Ask around your local hospitals, they often update their equipment and sit the old ones in a dusty cupboard somewhere, I got my scope for free and made a donation to the hospital as thanks.
You want to talk to someone in their labs, they'll know what they have laying around, or if not have a look for you.
That's a great idea! My mother in law works at the ER right up the road! Thank you very much!
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Re: first microscope!!!!!!!!! [Re: art2312]
#19372465 - 01/05/14 11:36 AM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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search Amscope B-100ms
$176.01 http://www.amscope.com/b100-ms.html
http://www.amscope.com/
free shipping
looks like they're having a blowout or maybe they've just taken their biz model from your local furniture store. ;-)
Can't help myself - was formerly a buyer in fortune 500, have to go see what the price range is.
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Re: first microscope!!!!!!!!! [Re: fry day]
#19372758 - 01/05/14 12:41 PM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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Wow! That looks like an amazing deal!! Thank you fry!! If I bought the 1,000X oil immersion objective, would that fit this model? Are most objectives universal? Or would I need to find a specific one to fit that model?
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Re: first microscope!!!!!!!!! [Re: art2312]
#19372766 - 01/05/14 12:43 PM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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That 'scope comes with a 100x immersion oil objective, which when paired with the 10x eyepiece (also comes with the 'scope) you get 1,000x
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Re: first microscope!!!!!!!!! [Re: suchen]
#19372871 - 01/05/14 01:05 PM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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Sweet! Getting too excited again and I must have skimmed right over that! Thank you sir! Lol...my wife says she never sees me now, just wait till I get that scope! Ill have to buy a mini fridge and a hammock for the garage
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Re: first microscope!!!!!!!!! [Re: fry day]
#19373235 - 01/05/14 02:22 PM (10 years, 25 days ago) |
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fry day said: search Amscope B-100ms
$176.01 http://www.amscope.com/b100-ms.html
It is a great deal, this is American right?
I recovered a very very old microscope that my uncle used when he was studying, but the maximum magnification is 300x.
I tried to see some P. papilionaceus spores on it today and it wasn't bad, I could only see their shape though.
I was also looking for one but I might have to try on European websites.
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Re: first microscope!!!!!!!!! [Re: pouihi]
#19373255 - 01/05/14 02:28 PM (10 years, 25 days ago) |
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You could see the spore shape under 300x mag? Are Pan Pap spores large?
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Re: first microscope!!!!!!!!! [Re: art2312]
#19373325 - 01/05/14 02:45 PM (10 years, 25 days ago) |
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I don't know  I wasn't hoping to be able to see much so I was just trying, I was able to see black ellipsoid spores., not particularly huge but def better than I expected
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Re: first microscope!!!!!!!!! [Re: pouihi]
#19373388 - 01/05/14 02:59 PM (10 years, 25 days ago) |
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Sweet. Maybe ill unpack this one for today and see what I can see
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Re: first microscope!!!!!!!!! [Re: art2312]
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Aren't you going to give it back? If you are maybe you shouldn't use it
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Re: first microscope!!!!!!!!! [Re: pouihi]
#19373519 - 01/05/14 03:39 PM (10 years, 25 days ago) |
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i was going to return it and pay the difference for a new one, but since they dont have what i need, ill just keep this one for my son when he gets older. i busted out my Gymns and got some spores under the scope....i could see them, tiny, but i see them ... this is the best i could do
     i am without a doubt getting a real scope now!!!!
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Re: first microscope!!!!!!!!! [Re: art2312]
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Not bad though for a kids microscope. Did you take the pics directly from the eyepiece?
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Re: first microscope!!!!!!!!! [Re: pouihi]
#19373644 - 01/05/14 04:06 PM (10 years, 25 days ago) |
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Thru the eyepiece with my phone, yes. Definitely not bad for $25, especially with all the little stuff it come with....but I DEFINITELY want a "real" scope now, this will never be enough lol
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Re: first microscope!!!!!!!!! [Re: art2312]
#19373754 - 01/05/14 04:33 PM (10 years, 25 days ago) |
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Same thing here. I definitely think I'm gonna get that book that Byrain mentions on the beggining of the thread, it looks like a good place to start.
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Re: first microscope!!!!!!!!! [Re: pouihi]
#19373773 - 01/05/14 04:39 PM (10 years, 25 days ago) |
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No doubt. And also, that link from Lightning towards the bottom of the 1st page is super informative!
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Re: first microscope!!!!!!!!! [Re: art2312]
#19375424 - 01/06/14 12:37 AM (10 years, 25 days ago) |
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art2312 said: Ill have to buy a mini fridge and a hammock for the garage 
Dear Sir, I like the cut of your jib.
That is all.
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art2312 said: Ill have to buy a mini fridge and a hammock for the garage 
Dear Sir, I like the cut of your jib.
That is all.

Lol, wish my wife felt the same. She's starting to hate mushrooms I think that's the majority of what I tell her about she's past the smile and nod stage and now just lets me ramble while she watches TV lol
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