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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: Gilgamesh18]
    #19367543 - 01/04/14 10:31 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I simple think that we all only have so much time on this earth. no one HAS to live in poverty, we just choose to allow it because it was what we're taught. the status quo will never change, and that's why i think all these filthy ass rich MF'ers don't need more than 50 million dollars.

if you think it's okay that walmart is allowed to pay a lower minimun wage in DC while the workers are barely able to make ends meat, you're a sick fucker.

@gilgamesh



Class envy the hallmark of leftist thought. There is no "free lunch" when the government mandates a minimum wage. If the government requires that certain workers be paid higher wages, then businesses make adjustments to pay for the added costs, such as reducing hiring, cutting employee work hours, reducing benefits, and charging higher prices. Now this doesn't sound like the best way to lift people out of poverty. Leftist economic policies actually create dependence and poverty.




Too bad for leftist policies. Accountability among corporations certainly wouldn't be the best options, much better to just throw out leftist policies. I mean I heard about this guy the other day, who accidentally hired an employee for 50 hours that work, didn't realize the guys schedule was over 40 hours. When he had to pay the guy over time, man..... he realized his business losses for the week were TREMENDOUS! Had to fire like 5 people right there, and raise his prices from $4 to $6 oh man it was just nuts. :crying:

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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: Gilgamesh18]
    #19367554 - 01/04/14 10:32 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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How is it, that countries where the minimum salary is higher than in the US can still prosper and have higher growth than the US?

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It's as if the minimum salary has no extreme effects of raising prices and putting the rich on the streets.



Unemployment is alot higher in europe bro hmm I wonder why? :wink:




because of corroborated evidence that the minimum wage put them in this situation? Or because of extreme socialist policies and a lack of returning from a global economic shutdown that the U.S. seems to have recovered from faster?

Which one you think? Think about it real hard


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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: Patlal]
    #19367555 - 01/04/14 10:33 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Patlal said:
How is it, that countries where the minimum salary is higher than in the US can still prosper and have higher growth than the US?

:ancientaliens:

It's as if the minimum salary has no extreme effects of raising prices and putting the rich on the streets.




It really depends on the economic fundamentals of each individual country, and the amount of available labor.

China has a minimum wage of .75 cents to $1.50 per hour in most parts of the country, why?  2 billion people and a massive pool of labor.

Maybe a country like Sweden can have a much higher minimum wage, a small population (9 million) with a higher educated and skilled workforce.

Why are real wages in the US down for almost 40 years?  Productivity gains and outsourcing of jobs overseas. Globalization has killed the availability of high paying low skilled jobs, that is nothing a minimum wage law can change.

How did my grandparents with no high school education make the equal of $100,000 per year during the 50's and 60's?  Tons of available work and limited amount of labor.


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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: imachavel]
    #19367556 - 01/04/14 10:34 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Your little story had nothing to do with my overall point.


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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: Gilgamesh18]
    #19367561 - 01/04/14 10:37 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Gilgamesh18 said:
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Patlal said:
How is it, that countries where the minimum salary is higher than in the US can still prosper and have higher growth than the US?

:ancientaliens:

It's as if the minimum salary has no extreme effects of raising prices and putting the rich on the streets.



Unemployment is alot higher in europe bro hmm I wonder why? :wink:





"Official unemployment" is higher in Europe, but in reality the US and Euro zone are in the same boat, 22-23% unemployment is most likely the same overall.


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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: qman]
    #19367655 - 01/04/14 11:17 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

OK, I only read the first page. I am going to simplify my answer on this subject. The rich/people in power/business owners/whatever will not take a cut to their profit, PERIOD!

They want their right to make the money they want to make at any cost no matter what. They could make only 3 billion instead of the 4 billion. Never mind that they still make 3 FUCKING BILLION DOLLARS (or whatever amount) They will not take less EVER! It is their right as a capitalist/business man/American to do so. FUCK everyone else, they got theirs you need to get yours. Pity some people don't have a chance, or do not "work hard" like they do to make it.

It sucks a slimy green asshole from a carcass. It is a fact, it will not change. Corporate greed (or greed period) is killing the world.


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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #19367662 - 01/04/14 11:20 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

the fact that "they got theirs" is really what's keeping us from "getting ours." they still have it and wont let go.

they are a bunch of faggots. of course users on this board will just say i'm a crybaby because i dislike the fundamentals of capitalism.


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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19367670 - 01/04/14 11:25 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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you are so intelligent




Yup. Plus... I pay attention.



I'm so poor I can't afford to pay attention! :grin::rimshot:


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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: DebuteMachine]
    #19367675 - 01/04/14 11:26 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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DebuteMachine said:
the fact that "they got theirs" is really what's keeping us from "getting ours." they still have it and wont let go.

they are a bunch of faggots. of course users on this board will just say i'm a crybaby because i dislike the fundamentals of capitalism.




The massive GROWING inequality in the distribution of income and wealth in the US is indisputable (a mile long list of economic statistics will prove this fact).

I'm a capitalist, but I will be the first one to tell someone, this version of "capitalism" is turning into a big failure.


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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: DebuteMachine]
    #19367688 - 01/04/14 11:30 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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DebuteMachine said:
the fact that "they got theirs" is really what's keeping us from "getting ours." they still have it and wont let go.

they are a bunch of faggots. of course users on this board will just say i'm a crybaby because i dislike the fundamentals of capitalism.



It seems like they want to keep the very rich in their own circle, not letting people get to their level, and/or making it very difficult to get there. There is only so much money and they want it all or most of it for themselves. :shrug:

I am not driven to be "rich" anyway. I will be an excellent nurse and be fulfilled in that way, while having a comfortable living,travel, and have really good times along the way. Seems like a waste of energy and time to me to have the mindset: "I have to have X amount of money to be happy." FUCK THAT!


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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: qman]
    #19367690 - 01/04/14 11:31 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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DebuteMachine said:
the fact that "they got theirs" is really what's keeping us from "getting ours." they still have it and wont let go.

they are a bunch of faggots. of course users on this board will just say i'm a crybaby because i dislike the fundamentals of capitalism.




The massive GROWING inequality in the distribution of income and wealth in the US is indisputable (a mile long list of economic statistics will prove this fact).

I'm a capitalist, but I will be the first one to tell someone, this version of "capitalism" is turning into a big failure.



I agree 100%!


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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: qman]
    #19367694 - 01/04/14 11:32 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Do you guys think price fixing is good economic policy?

minimum wage is price fixing.


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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: Shins]
    #19367750 - 01/04/14 11:47 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Do you guys think price fixing is good economic policy?

minimum wage is price fixing.




Hiking the minimum wage can't fix a structurally damaged economy, if it were only so simple.

Minimum wage is already at a all-time (since 1938) low in real terms, keeping it at the same level or 2 bucks higher makes no difference.

The worry shouldn't be the minimum wage laws, Obama and Congress are ready to pass another huge "trade agreement" with the piss poor countries of Asia, bottom line, they are getting ready to find even more cheap labor markets to ship more US jobs overseas.

Globalization is what is killing the US employment situation, not minimum wage laws.


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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: Gilgamesh18]
    #19367872 - 01/04/14 12:11 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Gilgamesh18 said:
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Patlal said:
How is it, that countries where the minimum salary is higher than in the US can still prosper and have higher growth than the US?

:ancientaliens:

It's as if the minimum salary has no extreme effects of raising prices and putting the rich on the streets.



Unemployment is alot higher in europe bro hmm I wonder why? :wink:




Because they listened to boneheaded economists who told them to cut spending in a recession, and they paid the price of double dipping.


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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: Gilgamesh18]
    #19367971 - 01/04/14 12:31 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Your little story had nothing to do with my overall point.




$1000 an hour has nothing to do with my point. It's an arbitrary number pulled out of your ass. No offence, but it is. In your example the extreme outcome leads you to believe no minimum wage should be raised, and then perhaps shouldn't exist. But not one person in this post has come up with a solid example of a person living in a country without a minimum wage, that started at $1 an hour, and is now making $30 an hour. So far it's all just theory, save you of course, doctors and lawyers who don't get paid minimum wage, and negotiate fantastic salaries. If you call starting pay at basic desirable salary "negotiating" in the first place.

Walmart doesn't really negotiate high pay, you might end up doing better then $7 an hour, but really you are not going to work at Walmart and make $25 an hour. And working at Walmart and paying for good education on their wages is not easy.


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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: qman]
    #19368001 - 01/04/14 12:36 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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qman said:
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Patlal said:
How is it, that countries where the minimum salary is higher than in the US can still prosper and have higher growth than the US?

:ancientaliens:

It's as if the minimum salary has no extreme effects of raising prices and putting the rich on the streets.




It really depends on the economic fundamentals of each individual country, and the amount of available labor.

China has a minimum wage of .75 cents to $1.50 per hour in most parts of the country, why?  2 billion people and a massive pool of labor.

Maybe a country like Sweden can have a much higher minimum wage, a small population (9 million) with a higher educated and skilled workforce.

Why are real wages in the US down for almost 40 years?  Productivity gains and outsourcing of jobs overseas. Globalization has killed the availability of high paying low skilled jobs, that is nothing a minimum wage law can change.

How did my grandparents with no high school education make the equal of $100,000 per year during the 50's and 60's?  Tons of available work and limited amount of labor.




so why would a minimum wage increase not change that? It's already been said, no wage caps for large corporations are going to ever go into place. That limits competition, and reduces the amount of labour available, instead of creating a huge demand for labour and less people to fill it, which requires competitive growth of smaller companies, not just feeding the largest of the largest bail outs and regulating other businesses so only the best businesses can exceed.

If your example is true, then indeed a minimum wage increase would be the best thing. Why? Because no one is going to appreciate the skill of a hard working labourer and pay them more. They can lift 1000 bags of concrete every 5 minutes and they are still easily replaceable and unskilled. You don't find an extra $100 a week per employee will help raise people out of the poverty level? Everyone says "work harder not smarter." Hard to do when a job must be done, someone has to bust their guts and pull their muscles to do it.

:lol: I get the feeling there aren't a lot of "dish washers" in this thread arguing their point of view, saying that raising the minimum wage will decrease employment. That is ridiculous, it should be a crime to fire people for made up reasons when some businesses that make such good money like restaurants that make over 200k a year will just fire people because they want to save money. Those businesses pay mostly tips anyway.


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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: imachavel] * 1
    #19368026 - 01/04/14 12:41 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

what we need is a socialist revolution.  We should kill all the rich people and take their stuff and re-distribute it.

THEN we'll make robots do everything and we'll export all our robot made goods and services and live like kings doing nothing.


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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: teamkiller]
    #19368033 - 01/04/14 12:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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what we need is a socialist revolution.  We should kill all the rich people and take their stuff and re-distribute it.

THEN we'll make robots do everything and we'll export all our robot made goods and services and live like kings doing nothing.




I would become a robot gladiator. Many sex for me for defeating machine!

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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: Patlal]
    #19368036 - 01/04/14 12:43 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Patlal said:
How is it, that countries where the minimum salary is higher than in the US can still prosper and have higher growth than the US?

:ancientaliens:

It's as if the minimum salary has no extreme effects of raising prices and putting the rich on the streets.





Lol, good one.


Im curious as to which countries you are talking about. Im not doubting you just curious.



The one problem IMO with raising min wage is it hurts employment.


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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: imachavel] * 2
    #19368043 - 01/04/14 12:43 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Even a 1 or 2 $ hike in minimum wage has big impact on an economy.

price fixing is bad.


if I'm an unskilled youth trying to get my foot in the door, every dollar increase is a huge barrier to entry for me.  Furthermore,  if both me and an employer freely agree on a certain wage, who do these fucking socialist fascists think they are when they hire armed goons to come and stop us?  Just piss off and mind your own bisiness.


minimum wage.... unions - these things are for losers who are too lazy and/or useless to be competitive.  Pathetic.


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