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Everything the Silk Road Founder Did to Get Caught
#19367113 - 01/04/14 07:35 AM (10 years, 27 days ago) |
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http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/everything-the-silk-road-founder-did-to-get-caught
The rise and fall of Silk Road is the stuff of cinema. You've got the deep web, a hidden Tor website, illegal drugs, happy customers, some not-so-happy dealers, assassins, forged documents, the Dread Pirate Roberts alias, and, of course, a great unraveling triggered by a number of small, amateur mistakes exploited by a methodical FBI investigation.
All of this has me wondering how a Silk Road successor might try to avoid Ross William Ulbricht's (AKA, Dread Pirate Robert's) fate. Since I'm no expert in secret crime rings, I figured we should look at every trail Ulbricht left behind. All of this derived from the FBI's sealed complaint against Ulbricht and Silk Road. Of course, one should also read that document for full details on Ulbricht's capture.
(Note: In case it's not clear, this isn't a guide. If you get busted for starting Silk Road 2, don't blame us.)
Posted on Shroomery.org & Other Drug Forums
Virtual drug markets, and black markets in general, require publicity just like government-approved rackets (banking, investment, commodities exchanges, currency markets, real estate, etc). But this should not be taken to mean that it's advisable, if one wishes to become the next Dread Pirate Roberts (DPR), to adopt a DIY approach to a publicity campaign.
Professional G-Men are looking for this shit all the time in virtual drug markets and other black market dealings. As great a tool as Shroomery.org is for the magic mushroom enthusiast and neophyte alike, it shouldn't be used as a marketing platform for a virtual drug bazaar. It's a bit like posting a flier on an anarchist bookstore message board advertising a new armed revolutionary group, while not anticipating that an undercover cop will stroll in and have a look at the message board. Paper fliers eventually disintegrate, internet postings do not. Bad form, Dread Pirate Roberts. Bad form.
Similarly, think twice about posting on Bitcoin forums or anywhere else for that matter, even if you're doing so from a Tor browser. Better safe than sorry. Opt for organic word-of-mouth hype, which tends to happen on the internet anyway.
Used His Real Email Account
Ulbricht posted a request to hire an IT professional for a Bitcoin-backed venture, then encouraged forum users to email him at his real address. This is so amateur night that it is, quite frankly, astonishing Ulbricht would even attempt it.
But the larger lesson here is that one should be wary of soliciting help off of the internet. It's difficult enough to know whether people are who they say they are in person; doubly so online. Ulbricht could have unknowingly hired a federal agent posing as an IT guy, intent on sniffing around to determine if anything illegal was brewing. In fact, I would assume this happens quite often on Bitcoin forums.
On the virtual black market, as in the real world, people work with those they know and completely trust. And if you can't trust anyone, don't create a virtual drug market.
Mixed His Public Social Media Accounts
Social media accounts are the modern day fingerprints of conspiratorial efforts. If you've ever posted any material that could lead back to your virtual black market (political, economic, or drug culture musings), then don't do it. If, however, your social media profiles are fairly clean, shut them down and never use them again. And if the future DRP simply must use social media, then post kitteh videos, never any serious, ideological pronouncements. That just goes without saying in this post-Snowden world.
Was Vocal About His Intentions
On LinkedIn, Ulbricht publicly offered up his vision of an "economic simulation" that would circumvent state economic control systems. Anarchists, for example, talk very openly of this sort of tactic. But, if you're building a virtual black market and want to remain anonymous, keep those dreams to yourself.
Now, it's only in retrospect that the FBI agent who authored the federal complaint believed this economic simulation was Silk Road. But, this is precisely how law enforcement works. They find the cookie crumbs, follow them back to the cookie jar, and make connections along the way. The fact that Ulbricht openly advocated an alternative black market economy only adds to his legal woes.
Didn't Keep Time Zone Secret
Ulbricht left yet another cookie crumb by telling a Silk Road user that he was in the Pacific time zone. Once the FBI suspected Ulbricht of being DPR, they were able to subpoena records from Google's Gmail service to learn that Ulbricht was accessing his email from California. This is circumstantial evidence, but in an investigation of this type of thing, it is a means of narrowing the field and focusing in on other evidence.
Didn't Pay Attention to IP Addresses
Using a VPN server was an obvious and smart move on Ulbricht's part. However, the agent still determined a connection existed between the IP address used to log in one final time to the VPN server, and the IP address that Ulbricht used to log in to his Gmail account (in or around the San Francisco cafe he frequented). If you can't sort out the obscuring of IP addresses, don't get into virtual drug dealing.
Bought Counterfeit Documents Online
Another piece of evidence used to snag Ublricht was his purchase of a counterfeit California ID with his face and another name on it. Apparently a routine border inspection between Canada and the US resulted in the interception of the package of counterfeit documents. (I'd like to know more about this type of interception). The package was addressed to Ulbricht's San Francisco apartment. When confronted with the forged documents, Ulbricht "hypothetically" stated that one could buy such documents via Tor or Silk Road. He's either arrogantly brazen or a dumbass—well, both really.
It seems that Ulbricht wanted to rent servers, and needed the fake ID to do so. The Feds determined that DPR was looking for such documents at the same time on Silk Road. It's almost as if Ulbricht wanted to test how secure Silk Road was in a way. If one needs an ID for a server, maybe that should suggest the server shouldn't be used. Other servers might well exist that do not request this information.
Used His Real Name on Stack Overflow
Ulbricht posted a question on Stack Overflow about creating programming code for a hidden Tor site. He used his real name, then doubled back and altered the username to "frosty." The cookie crumbs mounted. This is the type of slip-up that feds gleefully await. It makes their careers, and allows them to advance to higher positions. Any would-be virtual black market bosses now know to exercise caution in asking Tor-related questions on a site like Stack Overflow, since the feds are probably watching.
Didn't Keep His Public Encryption Key Safe for Public Eyes
Ulbricht ensnared himself yet again by using his Stack Overflow user name, frosty, in his SSH public encryption key—frosty@frosty. This means that Ulbricht was logging into his Silk Road server with frosty@frosty, and posting queries as frosty on Stack Overflow regarding the management of an anonymous Tor site.
Granted, an investigator would learn about this after seizure of Silk Road's server and access to the public encryption key (after the arrest), but it's still moronic to use the same name twice.
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Re: Everything the Silk Road Founder Did to Get Caught [Re: something cool]
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what a moron.
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Re: Everything the Silk Road Founder Did to Get Caught [Re: DebuteMachine] 2
#19367449 - 01/04/14 10:02 AM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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sux this site is mentioned in anything to do with the silk road.....
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Re: Everything the Silk Road Founder Did to Get Caught [Re: DebuteMachine]
#19367476 - 01/04/14 10:12 AM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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Yeah Ubricht is a fucking dumb shit. Had it coming. Arrogance with a large dash of stupidity.
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Re: Everything the Silk Road Founder Did to Get Caught [Re: afrogus]
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Re: Everything the Silk Road Founder Did to Get Caught [Re: afrogus] 9
#19367718 - 01/04/14 11:38 AM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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afrogus said: Yeah Ubricht is a fucking dumb shit. Had it coming. Arrogance with a large dash of stupidity.
He had a lot of balls though, and I think we should commend him for being a beacon of hope in the fight against "the war on drugs". For once most of us had a weapon to fight back with. We can use technology to obtain drugs because we don't believe in the laws.
If nothing else at least thank him for hooking up literally thousands of people with drugs. If your friend introduces you to a new weed dealer you smoke him out and thank him. This guy sacrificed his LIFE to hook thousands of strangers up because he believed in it. Have some fucking respect. Why do people talk shit about him? He's a legend.
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Re: Everything the Silk Road Founder Did to Get Caught [Re: DebuteMachine]
#19367742 - 01/04/14 11:45 AM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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^^^this.
I bet there's people still running markets the RIGHT way. People who are more experienced with deep web and Internet anonymity. What do you all think?
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Re: Everything the Silk Road Founder Did to Get Caught [Re: searching] 1
#19368069 - 01/04/14 12:48 PM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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I agree, I personally have many things to thank DRP for making the silk road. Though many rookie mistake where made, he will always have my thanks and respect.
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Re: Everything the Silk Road Founder Did to Get Caught [Re: mycopanda]
#19368146 - 01/04/14 01:04 PM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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mycopanda said: I agree, I personally have many things to thank DRP for making the silk road. Though many rookie mistake where made, he will always have my thanks and respect.
What's funny is that DPR didn't invent this idea of a hidden market place. Why does he get all the credit?
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Re: Everything the Silk Road Founder Did to Get Caught [Re: Shining Cosmos]
#19368211 - 01/04/14 01:16 PM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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Shining Cosmos said:
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DebuteMachine said:

^^^this.
I bet there's people still running markets the RIGHT way. People who are more experienced with deep web and Internet anonymity. What do you all think?
yup. I bet there's networks that are only accessible from predetermined and limited locations that still make this whole thing possible... it's like the fucking matrix n shit
Edited by travelleler (01/04/14 01:19 PM)
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Re: Everything the Silk Road Founder Did to Get Caught [Re: jboredone]
#19368614 - 01/04/14 02:34 PM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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jboredone said: sux this site is mentioned in anything to do with the silk road.....
In agreement
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Re: Everything the Silk Road Founder Did to Get Caught [Re: TiN 42]
#19368693 - 01/04/14 02:55 PM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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this site was the first place they advertised the silk road site....
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Re: Everything the Silk Road Founder Did to Get Caught [Re: searching] 1
#19369278 - 01/04/14 05:08 PM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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searching said:
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afrogus said: Yeah Ubricht is a fucking dumb shit. Had it coming. Arrogance with a large dash of stupidity.
He had a lot of balls though, and I think we should commend him for being a beacon of hope in the fight against "the war on drugs". For once most of us had a weapon to fight back with. We can use technology to obtain drugs because we don't believe in the laws.
If nothing else at least thank him for hooking up literally thousands of people with drugs. If your friend introduces you to a new weed dealer you smoke him out and thank him. This guy sacrificed his LIFE to hook thousands of strangers up because he believed in it. Have some fucking respect. Why do people talk shit about him? He's a legend.
That stuff is all well and good, but no amount of money or hooking thousands of people up with drugs would be enough for me to have someone killed. He should have just walked out then with his millions, but instead was all about the $$$ and tried to have a man killed. A man that was someones son, husband, father, brother . . .
What kind of person kills someone over drugs/money? A greedy piece of shit that's who.
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Re: Everything the Silk Road Founder Did to Get Caught [Re: jboredone]
#19370155 - 01/04/14 08:19 PM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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jboredone said: this site was the first place they advertised the silk road site....
To the best of my knowledge he originally made the site as a place to sell his own mushrooms he grew. Then other people wanted to sell and it became like a sort of ebay like commerce site. It all started from the mushroom. It makes sense he'd advertise at his shroomy "home" first to sell mushrooms of all things. It didn't start as a drug bazaar, just a little shroom grow/sales venture.
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Re: Everything the Silk Road Founder Did to Get Caught [Re: Ellis Dee]
#19370156 - 01/04/14 08:20 PM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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i bet he got banned really fast, and ythan and the team of admins can prove that.
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Re: Everything the Silk Road Founder Did to Get Caught [Re: DebuteMachine]
#19370178 - 01/04/14 08:29 PM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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I bet they don't even know what his usernames were on shroomery servers. He was busted for his legal activities not his illegal ones. This fellow was shrewd, not stupid like he's being made out to be. He surely used all manner of proxy and vpn for his web browsing. And, bitcoins are legal and his posts related to that legal thing is how they nabbed him. That means that everyone who has posted any interest in bitcoins or bitcoin commerce has a FBI dossier on them merely for their interest in legal activities on the slight chance they might be interested in them for illegal purposes. Who whould have thunk that his personal interest in a legal aspect of his trade would be how he'd be busted? heh Crazy world.
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Re: Everything the Silk Road Founder Did to Get Caught [Re: DebuteMachine]
#19370189 - 01/04/14 08:34 PM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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DebuteMachine said: i bet he got banned really fast, and ythan and the team of admins can prove that.
No, actually the post was ignored because it was in the Science and Technology forum.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18930577#18930577
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Re: Everything the Silk Road Founder Did to Get Caught [Re: Ellis Dee]
#19370193 - 01/04/14 08:34 PM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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i used to use ebullion and egold. it was too much trouble then and it's too much trouble now.
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Re: Everything the Silk Road Founder Did to Get Caught [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#19370201 - 01/04/14 08:37 PM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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DebuteMachine said: i bet he got banned really fast, and ythan and the team of admins can prove that.
No, actually the post was ignored because it was in the Science and Technology forum.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18930577#18930577
so he made one post, and the article lists the shroomery as the #1 source? curious.
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Re: Everything the Silk Road Founder Did to Get Caught [Re: DebuteMachine] 1
#19370209 - 01/04/14 08:39 PM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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Those sorts of currencies inevitably become a threat to the money cartels like the federal reserve and then are crushed like ants. I bet there's still people trying to recover their money from egold since it was all seized by civil authorities at the behest of the "debt money" cartels (federal reserve and bank of england).
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Re: Everything the Silk Road Founder Did to Get Caught [Re: DebuteMachine]
#19370212 - 01/04/14 08:39 PM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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Yes, just one post. It was the first time the site had been advertized at all, therefore we are #1
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Re: Everything the Silk Road Founder Did to Get Caught [Re: Ellis Dee] 1
#19370322 - 01/04/14 09:14 PM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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Ellis Dee said: Those sorts of currencies inevitably become a threat to the money cartels like the federal reserve and then are crushed like ants. I bet there's still people trying to recover their money from egold since it was all seized by civil authorities at the behest of the "debt money" cartels (federal reserve and bank of england).
fuck Woodrow Wilson for creating the federal reserve. he was the worst president in US History.
that's what I always tell people when they ask me who the shittiest president in US history was.
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Re: Everything the Silk Road Founder Did to Get Caught [Re: something cool]
#19370339 - 01/04/14 09:18 PM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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Don't understand this one.
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Didn't Pay Attention to IP Addresses
Using a VPN server was an obvious and smart move on Ulbricht's part. However, the agent still determined a connection existed between the IP address used to log in one final time to the VPN server, and the IP address that Ulbricht used to log in to his Gmail account (in or around the San Francisco cafe he frequented). If you can't sort out the obscuring of IP addresses, don't get into virtual drug dealing.
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Re: Everything the Silk Road Founder Did to Get Caught [Re: s240779]
#19370733 - 01/04/14 11:17 PM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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these hosers with low post counts make me nervous :tonfoil:
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travelleler said: these hosers with low post counts make me nervous :tonfoil:

ton foil.
TONFOIL, that made me laugh a good amount. Nice try at spehllin
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Re: Everything the Silk Road Founder Did to Get Caught [Re: Psilosopherr] 1
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If it weren't for SR I certainly wouldn't have had enjoyed the indirect access to the interesting RC's I've experimented with the past few years, & it certainly was an interesting & promising experiment in counter-economics. I'll have to agree however, this guy should have tried harder in covering his tracks, & it would appear to me that he definitely set himself up when he turned a mutually beneficial system into an excuse to employ violence over a loss in his profit margin. He got too close to the sun.
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Re: Everything the Silk Road Founder Did to Get Caught [Re: Echro]
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Echro said: If it weren't for SR I certainly wouldn't have had enjoyed the indirect access to the interesting RC's I've experimented with the past few years, & it certainly was an interesting & promising experiment in counter-economics. I'll have to agree however, this guy should have tried harder in covering his tracks, & it would appear to me that he definitely set himself up when he turned a mutually beneficial system into an excuse to employ violence over a loss in his profit margin. He got too close to the sun.
exactly! it sounds like he's a brilliant guy (to some degree) but got too full of himself. It almost sounds like he was being cocky.
I mean, not even withholding your time zone? come on dude
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Re: Everything the Silk Road Founder Did to Get Caught [Re: Psilosopherr]
#19371253 - 01/05/14 03:01 AM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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Did you hear the recent theory that he was Nakamoto; The founder(s) of bitcoin? After reading this I have some serious doubts about that but hey who knows?
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Re: Everything the Silk Road Founder Did to Get Caught [Re: LiquidGlass]
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afrogus said: Yeah Ubricht is a fucking dumb shit. Had it coming. Arrogance with a large dash of stupidity.
He had a lot of balls though, and I think we should commend him for being a beacon of hope in the fight against "the war on drugs". For once most of us had a weapon to fight back with. We can use technology to obtain drugs because we don't believe in the laws.
If nothing else at least thank him for hooking up literally thousands of people with drugs. If your friend introduces you to a new weed dealer you smoke him out and thank him. This guy sacrificed his LIFE to hook thousands of strangers up because he believed in it. Have some fucking respect. Why do people talk shit about him? He's a legend.
That stuff is all well and good, but no amount of money or hooking thousands of people up with drugs would be enough for me to have someone killed. He should have just walked out then with his millions, but instead was all about the $$$ and tried to have a man killed. A man that was someones son, husband, father, brother . . .
What kind of person kills someone over drugs/money? A greedy piece of shit that's who.
Thats not why he did it...
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Re: Everything the Silk Road Founder Did to Get Caught [Re: NotTheDevil]
#19371314 - 01/05/14 03:45 AM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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why then? jesus should have just said without making me ask.
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Re: Everything the Silk Road Founder Did to Get Caught [Re: Psilosopherr]
#19372365 - 01/05/14 11:07 AM (10 years, 25 days ago) |
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travelleler said: these hosers with low post counts make me nervous :tonfoil:

ton foil.
TONFOIL, that made me laugh a good amount. Nice try at spehllin
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Re: Everything the Silk Road Founder Did to Get Caught [Re: NotTheDevil]
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afrogus said: Yeah Ubricht is a fucking dumb shit. Had it coming. Arrogance with a large dash of stupidity.
He had a lot of balls though, and I think we should commend him for being a beacon of hope in the fight against "the war on drugs". For once most of us had a weapon to fight back with. We can use technology to obtain drugs because we don't believe in the laws.
If nothing else at least thank him for hooking up literally thousands of people with drugs. If your friend introduces you to a new weed dealer you smoke him out and thank him. This guy sacrificed his LIFE to hook thousands of strangers up because he believed in it. Have some fucking respect. Why do people talk shit about him? He's a legend.
That stuff is all well and good, but no amount of money or hooking thousands of people up with drugs would be enough for me to have someone killed. He should have just walked out then with his millions, but instead was all about the $$$ and tried to have a man killed. A man that was someones son, husband, father, brother . . .
What kind of person kills someone over drugs/money? A greedy piece of shit that's who.
Thats not why he did it...
Actually it is. apparently you have not read the criminal complaint on him. Someone was blackmailing him,it was the feds although he did no know this at the time. They posed as a SR user and told him they hacked into the server and got all kinds of info about the mebers, and that he would release the info unless Ross paid him 500,000. Instead of paying him to keep him quiet he tried to put a hit on him. The same feds made a different name posing as the blackmailers dealers, and under that guise offered the hitman service. I do not remember exactly how much the feds charged him, but it was about the third of what the blackmailer was asking. He even tried to haggle his way down to 80,000 saying how he had a hit put out before and it only cost him 80,000
He may have started out with good intentions, but he got corrupted by the money and/or power and turned into a piece of shit.
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Re: Everything the Silk Road Founder Did to Get Caught [Re: LiquidGlass]
#19372714 - 01/05/14 12:31 PM (10 years, 25 days ago) |
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afrogus said: Yeah Ubricht is a fucking dumb shit. Had it coming. Arrogance with a large dash of stupidity.
He had a lot of balls though, and I think we should commend him for being a beacon of hope in the fight against "the war on drugs". For once most of us had a weapon to fight back with. We can use technology to obtain drugs because we don't believe in the laws.
If nothing else at least thank him for hooking up literally thousands of people with drugs. If your friend introduces you to a new weed dealer you smoke him out and thank him. This guy sacrificed his LIFE to hook thousands of strangers up because he believed in it. Have some fucking respect. Why do people talk shit about him? He's a legend.
That stuff is all well and good, but no amount of money or hooking thousands of people up with drugs would be enough for me to have someone killed. He should have just walked out then with his millions, but instead was all about the $$$ and tried to have a man killed. A man that was someones son, husband, father, brother . . .
What kind of person kills someone over drugs/money? A greedy piece of shit that's who.
Thats not why he did it...
Actually it is. apparently you have not read the criminal complaint on him. Someone was blackmailing him,it was the feds although he did no know this at the time. They posed as a SR user and told him they hacked into the server and got all kinds of info about the mebers, and that he would release the info unless Ross paid him 500,000. Instead of paying him to keep him quiet he tried to put a hit on him. The same feds made a different name posing as the blackmailers dealers, and under that guise offered the hitman service. I do not remember exactly how much the feds charged him, but it was about the third of what the blackmailer was asking. He even tried to haggle his way down to 80,000 saying how he had a hit put out before and it only cost him 80,000
He may have started out with good intentions, but he got corrupted by the money and/or power and turned into a piece of shit.
I heard all that, but didn't know that both of the users were FBI.
You sure about that? if thats true, thats rather funny.
I mean, why would a real SR user have tried to blackmail the dread pirate? the users probably made sssooooo much money. Why ruin a good thing?
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Re: Everything the Silk Road Founder Did to Get Caught [Re: Psilosopherr]
#19372720 - 01/05/14 12:32 PM (10 years, 25 days ago) |
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because greed man, its really simple and easy to understand.
while you might not be personally greedy, just look at the people who are.
or desperation.
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Re: Everything the Silk Road Founder Did to Get Caught [Re: Psilosopherr]
#19372799 - 01/05/14 12:48 PM (10 years, 25 days ago) |
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Yeah, one of the SR vendors had gotten busted from real world mistakes. The feds got his addresses of his customers. They sent some addresses to Ross to prove they had info and said they would release thousands of users info unless he paid up
It is all in the criminal complaint, which is pretty long
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Re: Everything the Silk Road Founder Did to Get Caught [Re: LiquidGlass]
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LiquidGlass said: Yeah, one of the SR vendors had gotten busted from real world mistakes. The feds got his addresses of his customers. They sent some addresses to Ross to prove they had info and said they would release thousands of users info unless he paid up
It is all in the criminal complaint, which is pretty long
that makes more sense.
Thanks dude!
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Re: Everything the Silk Road Founder Did to Get Caught [Re: Psilosopherr]
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Re: Everything the Silk Road Founder Did to Get Caught [Re: searching]
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... I think we should commend him for being a beacon of hope in the fight against "the war on drugs".
I want you to write my eulogy. This is great stuff.
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Re: Everything the Silk Road Founder Did to Get Caught [Re: Echro]
#19401535 - 01/10/14 10:52 PM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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Echro said: Did you hear the recent theory that he was Nakamoto; The founder(s) of bitcoin? After reading this I have some serious doubts about that but hey who knows?
In a old interview with this DRP that got arrested he says that he was not the founder and cannot take the credit. That someone else made the site and he bought them out. It is possible that the original founder could have created bitcoins, It would make sense
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Re: Everything the Silk Road Founder Did to Get Caught [Re: mycopanda]
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Echro said: Did you hear the recent theory that he was Nakamoto; The founder(s) of bitcoin? After reading this I have some serious doubts about that but hey who knows?
In a old interview with this DRP that got arrested he says that he was not the founder and cannot take the credit. That someone else made the site and he bought them out. It is possible that the original founder could have created bitcoins, It would make sense
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Re: Everything the Silk Road Founder Did to Get Caught [Re: mycopanda]
#19404160 - 01/11/14 02:35 PM (10 years, 19 days ago) |
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What is amazing is he made all these mistakes and blunders yet it took the fbi a couple years to catch him. If he had been reasonably smart he never would have been caught. If he had been smart he would have sold out and left the country with his millions.
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Re: Everything the Silk Road Founder Did to Get Caught [Re: Stonehenge]
#19408959 - 01/12/14 04:02 PM (10 years, 18 days ago) |
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LOL
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Re: Everything the Silk Road Founder Did to Get Caught [Re: D.M.T]
#19466614 - 01/24/14 08:59 AM (10 years, 7 days ago) |
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Ellis Dee said: Those sorts of currencies inevitably become a threat to the money cartels like the federal reserve and then are crushed like ants. I bet there's still people trying to recover their money from egold since it was all seized by civil authorities at the behest of the "debt money" cartels (federal reserve and bank of england).
fuck Woodrow Wilson for creating the federal reserve. he was the worst president in US History.
that's what I always tell people when they ask me who the shittiest president in US history was.
Lol I agree! Well first I say all of them, then I say that slimeball.
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Re: Everything the Silk Road Founder Did to Get Caught [Re: AEL1911]
#19467245 - 01/24/14 11:54 AM (10 years, 6 days ago) |
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I don't know, the current occupant is giving wilson a run for his money. They just renewed the reserve more or less in secret. Whenever d and r have "bipartisanship" on something, it means the thieves have agreed on how to divide up your money.
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