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Mushroom Video method doesn't work
    #19366959 - 01/04/14 05:44 AM (10 years, 27 days ago)

Hi all

I've followed the method to the T yet and my cake will not pin. It's even been 7 days and no signs of life from my cake.

The cake had 7 days to 'consolidate' and was then submerged in water for 24 hours. It was then coated in verm before being placed in a SGFC. I fan 4-6 times a day, and mist 2-3 times a day before fanning at 74f.

The strain is B+, which I have heard can be a slow fruiter but I am more inclined to believe a 'cube is a cube'... Here's a pic of my SGFC, and as you can see the cake is clean and healthy, but doing nothing. I've grown cubes in the past using 'grow bags' and I saw pinning fast, like 3-4 day....'Ecuador strain'..

Obviously I wanted to grow the real way but it seems like the advice given on Mushroom vids just doesn't seem to work....sigh.







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Re: Mushroom Video method doesn't work [Re: sillehcybeh]
    #19366961 - 01/04/14 05:46 AM (10 years, 27 days ago)

7days ? be patient..
whats the temp?


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Re: Mushroom Video method doesn't work [Re: Aero]
    #19366968 - 01/04/14 05:54 AM (10 years, 27 days ago)

What ever happened to scientific method?

One cake, one experiment is not any results to base anything from, esp bold claims like X method is bunk

You need to develop a pattern before you're mistakes will be apparent. It's working for the guy in "the vid" right?

Everything looks good tho be patient, what are your temps like?


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Re: Mushroom Video method doesn't work [Re: mushrume man]
    #19367044 - 01/04/14 06:46 AM (10 years, 27 days ago)

You can't rush it into fruiting.  You can see a dozen days go by before you see pins....just take care of it and let it do it's thing.


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Re: Mushroom Video method doesn't work [Re: Stargaze]
    #19367048 - 01/04/14 06:50 AM (10 years, 27 days ago)

I cannot see a single one below about a quarter inch above the perlite.  Does your lid and bottom have holes per spec as well?


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Re: Mushroom Video method doesn't work [Re: HypnotoadCroaked]
    #19367077 - 01/04/14 07:07 AM (10 years, 27 days ago)

One week consolidation is the minimum. I found out it's better to let them consolidate until they start pinning in the jar. When you birth them when they do that, they will immediately take off.
So for now, you have to wait patiently.

Also you did not follow the tek to the T, because your fruiting chamber is no SGFC yet.
The holes need to be on all 6 sides. So you need to drill the bottom and the lid too. Also you need to place it on something, so the bottom is free from the windowsill. The air needs to come in from the bottom, where it will cool because of evaporation, and travel upwards when it heats up a little. I bet now the humidity is lower than it should be.


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Re: Mushroom Video method doesn't work [Re: monoculture]
    #19367138 - 01/04/14 07:50 AM (10 years, 27 days ago)

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One week consolidation is the minimum. I found out it's better to let them consolidate until they start pinning in the jar. When you birth them when they do that, they will immediately take off.
So for now, you have to wait patiently.

Also you did not follot the tek to the T, because your fruiting chamber is no SGFC yet.
The holes need to be on all 6 sides. So you need to drill the bottom and the lid too. Also you need to place it on something, so the bottom is free from the windowsill. The air needs to come in from the bottom, where it will cool because of evaporation, and travel upwards when it heats up a little. I bet now the humidity is lower than it should be.





I agree 100%, I waited til my last jars were pinning a little.  I put them in the SGFC and in a couple days they just took off!


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Re: Mushroom Video method doesn't work [Re: monoculture]
    #19367141 - 01/04/14 07:52 AM (10 years, 27 days ago)

Be patient.  video method works fine. 
We see this kind of post sometime even more than once a day


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Re: Mushroom Video method doesn't work [Re: indocult]
    #19367166 - 01/04/14 08:03 AM (10 years, 27 days ago)

What kind of lighting? Is the terrarium raised in the air? Mine took 10 days.


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Re: Mushroom Video method doesn't work [Re: Enigma1]
    #19367205 - 01/04/14 08:24 AM (10 years, 27 days ago)

Your FC needs more holes. 1/4 inch every 2 inches on all 6 sides.


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Re: Mushroom Video method doesn't work [Re: Enigma1]
    #19367215 - 01/04/14 08:26 AM (10 years, 27 days ago)

nice healthy looking cake... 11 days, you will see.


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Re: Mushroom Video method doesn't work [Re: Enigma1]
    #19367216 - 01/04/14 08:26 AM (10 years, 27 days ago)

Method has worked for tons of people including myself


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Re: Mushroom Video method doesn't work [Re: tropicalfrenzy]
    #19367254 - 01/04/14 08:39 AM (10 years, 27 days ago)

for single cakes a 2 liter bottle is choice...


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Re: Mushroom Video method doesn't work [Re: tropicalfrenzy]
    #19367310 - 01/04/14 09:07 AM (10 years, 27 days ago)

worry at two weeks. they may not have been consolidating fully.
also, as someone mentioned above, what lighting do you use? did you use light during colonization? 12/12?

also its hard to tell, was the verm layer more even and complete before the mycelium grew and knocked some off? or if that is about the original ammount of verm you put on there, its a little light. maybe even misting heavily and sprinkling a little more verm on to cover. this can trigger pinning by increasing evaporation off the cake.

and its not unusual for cakes to stall out a bit. ive seen a lot of pictures where people have 4 cakes in a SGFC, and 3 took off and grew BIG, and one of the 4 still hadnt pinned.


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Re: Mushroom Video method doesn't work [Re: PNW UW]
    #19367336 - 01/04/14 09:25 AM (10 years, 27 days ago)

11 days... :banana:


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Re: Mushroom Video method doesn't work [Re: tropicalfrenzy]
    #19367551 - 01/04/14 10:32 AM (10 years, 27 days ago)

Ok I'll hang in there a little longer. Yes my SGFC has holes drilled into the lid, its just not that clear from the pics. Oh and as for light, it gets indirect daylight as I don't have a daylight bulb. So I'm guessing it gets a good 7-8 hours of light a day as it is winter where I'm at.

So fingers crossed. As it happens I have another jar which has hit 100% sitting on the shelf right above me. I'll wait for the pins this time. Question though, can I submerge and coat in verm if the cake is already pinning?

Also, are the loose bits of verm a contam risk? The verm I got is quite a chunky grade (medium fine) and doesn't seem to adhere all that well.


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Re: Mushroom Video method doesn't work [Re: HypnotoadCroaked]
    #19367569 - 01/04/14 10:39 AM (10 years, 27 days ago)

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Yes my SGFC has holes drilled into the lid, its just not that clear from the pics.



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I cannot see a single one below about a quarter inch above the perlite.  Does your lid and bottom have holes per spec as well?



So what about the area below the perlite and the bottom of the tub?  It is not clear, but it does not look like there are holes in the lower 1/4th of your fruiting chamber, and I assume the bottom is devoid of holes.

Part of the process is allowing air to pass up through the perlite.  Having wet perlite (Or anything for that matter) without fresh air exchange is creating poor conditions and inviting to contaminants.  Stale moist air is a great friend of most of our common molds and bacteria.


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Re: Mushroom Video method doesn't work [Re: sillehcybeh]
    #19367571 - 01/04/14 10:39 AM (10 years, 27 days ago)

Looks like you don't have holes on the bottom and top - required for airflow through the perlite to raise humidity. Also you need to raise the SGFC up to allow air flow under and through the bottom holes. Followed the video "to the T" eh? Doubtful. If the "video" in question is the "let's grow mushrooms" video by RR then you definitely missed several instructions.

I did it to, just don't make inflammatory claims when the fault obviously lies with you - don't worry you'll work it out. My first batch of cakes all colonized well and then just did nothing... for months... literally. I tried crumbling them up, they never recovered. Not sure where I went wrong in the process but it ended as a failure. Then bam my second batch of cakes started fruiting and now I've got a bunch growing out.

Just don't blame others for your inability to get the instructions right. You'll find no sympathy here.


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Re: Mushroom Video method doesn't work [Re: urthtown]
    #19368126 - 01/04/14 01:01 PM (10 years, 27 days ago)

Fruiting Chamber
A SGFC has 1/4" holes spaces 2 inches apart in a grid patten on all six sides. 4-6 inches of moist perlite. No attachments made to it with any extra things like humidifiers. Optimally the SGFC should be in the middle of a room. No fans should be run in the room with the SGFC, but a cracked window is OK. A humidifier in your house can help to raise the ambient RH but don't put it near your SGFC put it in the other corner of the room if you do decide to run a humidifier at all. The SGFC IMO should have at least 6-12 inches of room from any wall on all 6 sides. This includes finding some sort of raisers to elevate the SGFC off of the surface it's on.

Misting and Fanning.
This is a source of much grief and 100's of posts a week here. Misting and fanning is not at all complicated as it needs to be. In general you'll mist your cakes until they glisten(yes they can even with the verm on them) and then fan right after the mist. You can mist your cakes directly and you should. When you notice the cake is no longer glistening you can mist it again and then fan. This occurs on average of 3-5 times a day. Don't worry about sleeping or being gone 12 hours. Just do it when you're around and don't forget about it is all. Fanning is not FAE it's only purpose is to relive the high RH air so that the cakes can get a kickstart on evaporation.

FAE
This is a phenomenon (Fresh air exchange) in a properly built SGFC this is constantly happening. The perlite is naturally cooler than the surrounding air this moves molecules closer to eachother as the lose kinetic energy. This creates low pressure which pulls air up through the bottom holes. As the air moves through the perlite it picks up humidity and keeps the chamber at or above 90%RH. This occurs naturally without the fanning and is why we like to have no fans in the room and is also why fanning after misting is not a replacement for FAE.

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Fanning is not a replacement for constant FAE.

You would need to fan several times per hour.



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Hopefully that cleared up some things about how the SGFC works for you.

As for your lack of consideration in the lighting department I'll offer these anecdotes

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According to stamets light is a primary stimulus for mushroom formation




That was written 30 years ago and our science has learned a lot since then. 

Light is a secondary pinning trigger, but is much more critical after pinning when the mushrooms are developing.  Proper lighting will double or more your final harvest weight.
RR




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I was just saying the the wavelength and the nms are the same used for photosynthis. for example if i used blue n red leds what didnt match the suns spectrum thats not going to tell the mushrooms its time to start pinning. hence induces pinning




You're reading way too much into an old book.  They had some cubensis substrates in total darkness except for once a day taking a photograph with flash.  When they pinned, it was incorrectly 'assumed' the milliseconds of flash each day is what triggered the pinning.  The fact is, they'll pin and grow in total darkness, just not well.  Pinning performance and growing to full potential is best achieved with bright light in the 'daylight' range, 6500K or so.
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It won't hurt to enter the room during the dark period.  The reason many cubensis growers don't use bright light is because they're simply happy to 'get some drugs' and don't care if they get nice large, meaty mushrooms with a high finish weight or not.

It's also not due to some book but due to past, current, and ongoing research by people who actually grow mushrooms for a living.  Providing proper lighting to a developing tray of mushrooms will double or triple the harvest weight over a dimly lit room.  It also isn't about pinning, as light is only a secondary pinning trigger.

Lighting requirements of mushrooms.
RR




So Basically follow the directions first and then when it doesn't work come ask questions.


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Re: Mushroom Video method doesn't work [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19393763 - 01/09/14 01:42 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

Update.

No pins yet. So the jury is still out. BUT cake is full of little white pimples which I am guessing are knots.

It's been like that for awhile. More and more white pimples come along. If those knots turn into cubie boobies (I wish) it's going to be a massive flush.

Meanwhile, I have a second jar that's been at 100% for just over a week. I think I'm going to let it carry on in vitro and see what happens....


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