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s240779

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Does this make sense to you?
#19365707 - 01/03/14 08:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Verse 1 I salute the Supreme Self (Sri Adinath). It was the Self which first taught the brilliant knowledge of Hatha Yoga. Hathayoga was given as a ladder so he who has the desire may climb to the highest state of Rajayoga.
Yoga means union. Yoga is the state of non-separation where there is no “other”. Yoga, oneness, is the essential nature of the Self. There is only one Self. This is the Self that is experiencing this statement. There is only one experience of Self. There has never been an experience of more than one Self. If there had been such an experience then there must have been a third “one Self’ to experience it. In the world of manifestation there are many persons. There are many things. There are many objects and there are many minds. However, there is only one experience of Self.
It is inevitable for most people to insist that other Selves do exist. This is due to long-term memories called Samskars. There are many people, as the person is a product of the material universe which is a universe of change and apparent separation. But there is only one Self. It is transcendental. It is the Supreme.
Self and Yoga are identical. The experience of Yoga is the experience of Self and the experience of Self is the experience of Yoga. In a universe of division there are levels of awareness and activity. The highest level of experience is known as Raja. Every thing we experience is in fact the Self. Ancient Yoga science and modem experimental science both agree that everything we exper ience is wholly and only Self. The highest experience of Sett' is therefore called Rajayoga.
For most people the experience of the universe is partial. The mind is not expanded and only certain aspects of the universe of energy and matter are selected out for perceptual experience. The experience of the Self is not totally wrong but it is partial. As the experience is not complete it is misleading and therefore illusory. For most people the universe is experienced as in continual change. Night and day, ripeness and rottenness, inbreath and outbreath follow each other incessantly. The universe is in constant motion manifesting in the play of opposites. These cosmic opposites can be symbolized by the sun and the moon. Here the sun represents all positive, active outgoing manifestation. The word “Ha” is used to represent the archetypal sun and “Tha” is used to represent the archetypal moon. The universe of change is called Hatha. The exper- ience of the Self projected out as the universe of change is Hatha- yoga. Hathayoga as a practice is the means by which incessant change may be stilled so that the light of the Self may shine through and the highest state of Rajayoga may be experienced.
Traditionally Hathayoga was first taught to Parvati by Shiva. Shiva represents the aspect of the universe which is changing from a formal state of matter into a diffused state of energy, in physics this is known as entropy. One day the entire universe will be re- turned to undifferentiated energy. Total disorder, the final state of entropy, turns out to be a state of perfect order.1 Shiva is re- sponsible for the dissolution of the universe. Shiva is symbolized as the “male” entity which directs these cosmic processes. His female half is Parvati. She symbolizes the form through which the forces of dissolution work. The human personality is dissolved in the process of laya by the practice of Hathayoga.
Similarly Rajayoga was first taught to Lakshmi by Vishnu. Vishnu represents the processes which maintain the universe. The universe of matter is maintained by communication. The nuclei of atoms are maintained by communication in the form of mesons, and molecules are maintained by communicating electrons. The human body like all other bodies is maintained by communicating energies. In the human body the heart is responsible for continuously pumping the blood through the circulatory system to supply the organs and cells with the energy they need to survive as a large complicated life form. Lakshmi represents the wealth of material form, which Vishnu mani- fests. All complete forms are whole systems which can only be maintained by an integrated, harmonious interworking. Disease and communication breakdown will lead to a breakdown of the system (pinda) into its constituent sub-systems. Perfect communication is the state of health, wholeness. Perfect communication is commun- ion. Communion, meditation and Rajayoga are identical.
Hathapradipika. Kevin and Venika Kingsland (1977), pgs 15-16
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cez

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Re: Does this make sense to you? [Re: s240779]
#19365807 - 01/03/14 09:12 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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It does to me. I don't subscribe to all the misc entities that practices have. They're just names 
Big mind and small mind. Shunryu Suzuki talks about this a lot. Big mind (self) small mind (ego)
Big mind manifests everything, which is whole. Small mind is our delusion that we are individual beings living in a separated world.
Yoga is the act of forgetting small mind, but not thinking about big mind.
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Re: Does this make sense to you? [Re: cez]
#19365847 - 01/03/14 09:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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cez said: Small mind is our delusion that we are individual beings living in a separated world.
What evidence is there that this is true and that we are not just random products of evolution?
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Re: Does this make sense to you? [Re: s240779]
#19365897 - 01/03/14 09:30 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I suppose it's a matter of faith 
I don't necessarily believe in it but I practice it and enjoy it in a sense (enjoying my practice is still small mind)..So I don't try to fix what's not broken.. Conventional ways if grasping reality (words, thoughts) don't grasp reality completely. They only reflect it for the briefest moment. And that reflection is a delusion because that's from your small mind.
Thoughtless action is the whole concept of yoga I think. It's an experience without labeling/quantifying it as such.
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Re: Does this make sense to you? [Re: s240779]
#19366024 - 01/03/14 09:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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cez said: Small mind is our delusion that we are individual beings living in a separated world.
What evidence is there that this is true and that we are not just random products of evolution?
None that I've seen. It's a toss up imo.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Does this make sense to you? [Re: Icelander]
#19366056 - 01/03/14 10:01 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I agree with this^
But I also think evolution/science/logic can tell us how but can't pin down the ultimate why.
The rabbit hole always continues I think. For me there's a sense of comfort in accepting the fact I nor humanity can solve this puzzle by logic alone.
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Re: Does this make sense to you? [Re: s240779]
#19464985 - 01/23/14 09:38 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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the highest experience of Self is not Raja, Raja actually means King, and Raja yoga refers, to the yoga of meditation, of course there are blockages we run into if we meditate on monarchy as our basic yoga, so we much do some jnana yoga, to eliminate even that, and get to the bare essence, just being without ego trying to capture it and make it into a conception, this is the freest and more eternal form of consciousness, of self, but it has no name, or it could have any name, Raja can't be said to be highest experience of self, because its just another form of yoga, within every yoga we can reach the highest point, but just the idea of the yoga itself is only a middle point.
but thank you, these words are sattvic, among a forum that seems to be yogically weighed down with much that is ultimately only ego or just frivolous, though it is true, all of it is divine, and perhaps it is just genius beyond my understanding, but its good to have some traditional, wisdom in the yogic sense also here, my goal is to focus on these branches, and try to grow some useful experience from there, by keeping sattvic company as they say.
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Re: Does this make sense to you? [Re: s240779]
#19465828 - 01/24/14 01:31 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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first of all, yes that makes sense, to me. and especially in the last paragraph about the importance of communication...that's very true. i feel that many things go unsaid in society which in all honesty, we could just come right out and talk about them, and be way healthier for it. sometimes when you say things that normally you would jsut keep in your head, it can be very refreshing.Quote:
goodmushroom777 said: the highest experience of Self is not Raja, Raja actually means King, and Raja yoga refers, to the yoga of meditation, of course there are blockages we run into if we meditate on monarchy as our basic yoga, so we much do some jnana yoga, to eliminate even that, and get to the bare essence, just being without ego trying to capture it and make it into a conception, this is the freest and more eternal form of consciousness, of self, but it has no name, or it could have any name, Raja can't be said to be highest experience of self, because its just another form of yoga, within every yoga we can reach the highest point, but just the idea of the yoga itself is only a middle point.
but thank you, these words are sattvic, among a forum that seems to be yogically weighed down with much that is ultimately only ego or just frivolous, though it is true, all of it is divine, and perhaps it is just genius beyond my understanding, but its good to have some traditional, wisdom in the yogic sense also here, my goal is to focus on these branches, and try to grow some useful experience from there, by keeping sattvic company as they say.
Blessings of Ganesha be to you
in the baghavad gita Raja is one of three forms that all energy can go into, which is Tamasic, Rajasic, and Sattvic states of being.
Tamasic is very lazy and ruled by desire, Rajasic is very busy and energetic but also distracted, and Sattvic is the higher state of self awareness and intellectual penetration.
That's just how the Gita partitions it. I learn from it...the words themselves just resonate with me...'sattvic' especially. When in a state of prominent I-awareness I just feel very 'sattvic', very hard to explain though as the state itself is so variable. But it is basically that state where I feel as myself and just alright with the universe, the state i find myself in most of the day unless i'm extra involved with thoughts or something.
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