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Patlal
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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#19365077 - 01/03/14 06:52 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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luvdemshrooms said: Better pro-tip: Don't imagine that your two degrees are better than (or even as good as) actual experience.
I repeat... your knowledge of business is laughable. If you were so omnipotent that you can forsee every twist and turn a business takes... you'd be a successful human with your own profitable business.
Of course someone who is half as smart as you seem to think you are would know that not everyone borrows money to start their business. Some *gasp* actually do it with savings.
Same principle, no banks involved. That's all.
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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: DebuteMachine]
#19365120 - 01/03/14 06:59 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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DebuteMachine said: fuck minimun wage, im all about income CAPS. no one needs more than 50 fucking million dollars, seriously. and that's generous.
Seriously. CEO's don't do shit all day long except maybe talk on the phone and negotiate shit. All they do is go to tahiti, maybe sign some papers and shit, and that's pretty much it. You think this is worth 9,000 times more than the little minion doing the WORK that needs to get done in order for the ceo to be able to take vacations every day?
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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: Patlal]
#19365136 - 01/03/14 07:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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luvdemshrooms said: Better pro-tip: Don't imagine that your two degrees are better than (or even as good as) actual experience.
I repeat... your knowledge of business is laughable. If you were so omnipotent that you can forsee every twist and turn a business takes... you'd be a successful human with your own profitable business.
Of course someone who is half as smart as you seem to think you are would know that not everyone borrows money to start their business. Some *gasp* actually do it with savings.
Same principle, no banks involved. That's all.

Of course it is.
Dude, your not a bad guy but gain some actual business experience before attempting to lecture those that have it.
There are far more reasons a business can fail other than they didn't borrow enough money.
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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: morrowasted]
#19365137 - 01/03/14 07:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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morrowasted said: The other thing is wouldnt unemployment go up if the minimum wage went up?
I think a $10 min. wage is realistic. but $15 is just too high. lots of employees are not worth $15 an hour.
btw iamachavel i didn't even realize it was you posting i just looked at the post lol I kind of feel like an asshole for being so harsh but yeah. sorry you are struggling
the issue seems really complicated to me
I don't give a fuck it's the internet dude. Just because we've spoken I assumed you'd be an a hole online just like K... er.. ZappaisGod. If you spoke to Zappaisgod you'd be astonished he says all the crap he says. Out of all these i net weirdos he is probably one of the few people here who has met literally over 50 shroomery members and actually in real life he pays his employees like $17 an hour, I'm very surprised at his attitude towards the minimum wage. But eh whatever
To address your question I have a hard time corroborating that a higher minimum wage = higher unemployment. I think that is an excuse companies use all the time to basically just fire people. For example when Bush left office the unemployment rate was 12% and minimum wage was $5.65 an hour. Now the unemployment rate is 7% and the minimum wage over $7.00 an hour. I agree $15 sounds ridiculous, I was thinking $8 or $8.75. I know we are talking bare minimum but I think it's fair to say a person should be able to get paid $64 bare minimum by the day which is what the income people make comes out to after tax deduction. That of course sucks, but that is a different barrel all together, high tax rates, you can hardly blame a wage increase on that.
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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: occollegeboi]
#19365144 - 01/03/14 07:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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DebuteMachine said: fuck minimun wage, im all about income CAPS. no one needs more than 50 fucking million dollars, seriously. and that's generous.
Seriously. CEO's don't do shit all day long except maybe talk on the phone and negotiate shit. All they do is go to tahiti, maybe sign some papers and shit, and that's pretty much it. You think this is worth 9,000 times more than the little minion doing the WORK that needs to get done in order for the ceo to be able to take vacations every day?
the sad part is no one wants to even think about the implications of having a truly free society, free from debt and poverty. they would just rather call me a faggot.
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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: DebuteMachine]
#19365147 - 01/03/14 07:04 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Or point out the myriad of ways in which you're wrong.
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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#19365171 - 01/03/14 07:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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No, I've seen it.
People literally hand out upper level jobs to their friends and accomplices making 300,000 a year to sit on facebook and tell people what to do, until everyone that worked there before is gone, the company is in obscurity and their are sodomites running around planning their next dinner half way across the country.
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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: koods]
#19365175 - 01/03/14 07:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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DebuteMachine said: holy shit get off the speed bro.
He's obviously a capitalist.
LOL oh my god ha
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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: Konyap]
#19365179 - 01/03/14 07:10 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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we've established luv is a red bastard (aka a communist) so just ignore him, he's ignorant. not arrogant mind you, ignorant.
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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: morrowasted]
#19365213 - 01/03/14 07:16 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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koods said: I think like most economic principles, there is a sweet spot. no minimum wage is a terrible idea as are no taxes. A high minimum wage is a terrible idea as is a 90% tax rate. You can feel free to disregard anyone who argues for either extreme.
The argument is essentially what the correct, reasonable number is.
maybe it shouldnt be a federal issue since cost of living varies so much by region
That is interesting. Funny enough I hate to rely on the states for very long, as they seem pretty half assed about what they really care about the wage increase. Remember government only gives a shit about itself, if it does something it does it for itself. States don't seem to benefit from income taxes regarding pay checks since the federal government taxes that section. They would only raise the minimum wage if they thought they could get something out of it, then come up with a "reason for the people" sort of thing, just like the democrats. I hate the SHIT out of Republicans, but can't see one liberal opposing them for a justifiable reason other then just a person agenda
I think the federal government should raise the minimum wage .20 cents every two years just to keep up with inflation and even out what is considered "livable" nationally. I would prefer to rely on states but you have to admit if one state for example Wyoming paid a person $2.00 an hour and in Washington DC people were getting paid $15 an hour it'd be pretty difficult for everyone living in Wyoming to go anywhere considering that the equivalent of what they make in their state perhaps $500 could possibly buy them a used car, two movie tickets, a case of beer, and pay the utilities or something along those lines Then they'd fly to New York and spend $500 on one taxi just driving around for 30 minutes(just an example I don't know the cab rates in New York)
Why do I think prices should be even across the nation? It's not that I strongly support it. I couldn't care less if Wyoming stole all the population moving there because of cheap living that'd be fine with me. But I disagree with abolishing minimum wage and at the same time think it's messed up when one state makes a minimum wage of $15 and then the entire country says "why can't we have that?"
I know the federal minimum wage isn't going away is the issue. So the next best thing? Raise the wage nationally but make it incremental, every two years .20 more an hour. Then at that rate, it'd take 20 years just to go up $2.00. To me that's extremely fair it keeps everyone knowing that inflation is occurring and at the same time it gives other states lot's of leeway to have different wages. I think the biggest issue is when people are sick of their state government and depend on the federal government to do all the work to even out what their state doesn't give two shits about. Then the feds in turn prolong and prolong wage increases until after 15-20 years without a wage increase they realize the mistakes they've made and decide to raise it $3 an hour all at once. Man that's just messed up
Of course another solution to that would be for people to give more of a shit about their state situation and petition their state instead of constantly petitioning the federal government. BUT needless to say you can't escape the federal government for example Colorado wants 100% legal pot, they have it. As long as the feds don't give a shit and stick their noses in because according to them you can still go to prison for just a gram of marijuana
Compromises have to be made. I wish there was no federal government but then we'd have no military we'd depend on the state police to fend us off from the Taliban etc.
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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: DebuteMachine]
#19365218 - 01/03/14 07:18 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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DebuteMachine said: we've established luv is a red bastard (aka a communist) so just ignore him, he's ignorant. not arrogant mind you, ignorant.
You do get incredibly butthurt when you're wrong.
Of course, with 25+ people (inc me) on ignore, that's not much of a surprise.
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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: DebuteMachine]
#19365226 - 01/03/14 07:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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DebuteMachine said: we've established luv is a red bastard (aka a communist) so just ignore him, he's ignorant. not arrogant mind you, ignorant.
you are a tool, what has shrooms said that is remotely communist?! If anything it leans libertarian
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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: myc_check1212]
#19365240 - 01/03/14 07:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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hey bud don't flame in the pub, it's not welcome here.
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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: DebuteMachine]
#19365243 - 01/03/14 07:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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DebuteMachine said: fuck minimun wage, im all about income CAPS. no one needs more than 50 fucking million dollars, seriously. and that's generous.
Seriously. CEO's don't do shit all day long except maybe talk on the phone and negotiate shit. All they do is go to tahiti, maybe sign some papers and shit, and that's pretty much it. You think this is worth 9,000 times more than the little minion doing the WORK that needs to get done in order for the ceo to be able to take vacations every day?
the sad part is no one wants to even think about the implications of having a truly free society, free from debt and poverty. they would just rather call me a faggot.

The most interesting part to me is a country that would rather rely on credit instead of debit. That is just amazing, it's as if I had a bar and said "hey don't worry about ACTUAL CASH I don't accept that I prefer a good line of credit and I'll take that your bank will pay me back"
Of course no one really believes that, if you show enough money anyone will take that over stupid credit anyway. But still you'd almost think twice about it, anyone with half a brain knows you go to buy a car and pay with cash instead of financing you are driving the car out quicker, BUT the way the country goes nuts over credit just astonishes me. Back in the day it was a different story, I was very young (born in the 80s) but my GRANDPARENTS SURE AS HELL remember when people would've hit you in the face with a shovel and shoved red coals up your ass pipe if you tried that credit shit instead of a solid dollar. I mean credit isn't BAD per se, but selling things at credit prices expecting everyone to be good for a loan is just ridiculous to me.
I guess it worked for a long time but to me it's a broken business model, especially on a level when it really matters. Which is where I see financing come in the most anyway just very strange
Someone was telling me one time "if you go to a third world country, you will see people who own their homes. Sure they may build them out of sheet metal, then out of plywood, then finally tear it down one last time and rebuild it with concrete after generations have passed. But make no mistake they own those homes there, which is something a majority of the population in the U.S. can't claim"
I could only take his word for it not having been to The Philippines or any other third world countries since I was 9 years old. But still that is a very interesting perspective, about U.S. and debt and how prices are driven up by what people are "willing to pay" versus what is practical. Especially when throwing financing into the discussion
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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: DebuteMachine]
#19365251 - 01/03/14 07:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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DebuteMachine said: hey bud don't flame in the pub, it's not welcome here.
sorry, was on an OTD rampage for the past two days
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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: koods]
#19365254 - 01/03/14 07:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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koods said: I think there should be national standards. Without them, you setup situations where essentially parts of this country are the 3rd world.
Yes this is what I believe in although it does have unfortunate implications
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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: imachavel]
#19365257 - 01/03/14 07:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well, I'm pretty far left politically, but any modern economy would cease to function without credit.
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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: myc_check1212]
#19365267 - 01/03/14 07:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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DebuteMachine said: hey bud don't flame in the pub, it's not welcome here.
sorry, was on an OTD rampage for the past two days
it's okay. feel free to flame me over there, i am trying to remain somewhat civil over here lol.
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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: imachavel]
#19365271 - 01/03/14 07:28 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Credit is an awesome tool to be used, not abused. Like drugs, abuse it and you deserve full well everything coming to you
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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: Patlal]
#19365279 - 01/03/14 07:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Patlal said: You see, capitalism is a wild beast, if left untamed, it will do everything to get stronger without any morals or sympathy.
Laws such as minimum wages are simply meant to tame the beast. Dull its teeth, shorten it's claws. If left untamed, the world would go back to the rich controling the slaves to their benefit.
Certain rules has to be applied in order to make it a game. I any game, a referee is needed to keep the teams honest, otherwise, why would we need a referee?
similar to how there needs to be a Geneva Convention to regulate war. It's purely retarded "rules for killing people?" Well it doesn't make much sense, but without it we'd all be nuking each other every month the planet would start resembling "one big Arizona", so it's true the beast needs to be tamed, it's teeth dulled, etc.
I hate it too but as long as we have rules we might as well take advantage of them
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