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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: imachavel] * 1
    #19364404 - 01/03/14 05:06 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Minimum wage isn't the problem. People should be more focused on the various forces driving our shitty economy and the devaluation of the dollar though inflation.


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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: Patlal] * 1
    #19364419 - 01/03/14 05:08 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Communism has failed at a record pace everywhere its tried. The only communist regimes left are China,North Korea,Cuba,Venezuela and Belarus. A different way of doing things indeed. Its wrong. Socialism is communist lite and equally insidious.


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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: Mescalean]
    #19364421 - 01/03/14 05:08 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Have you lived off 7.65 per hour? People who work min wages jobs do the jobs you'd bitch and moan if you had to do them. I see zero problem with raising the min wage.




stupid assholes never take into account the service industry minimun wage is 2.13 currently. if we dont get tipped we dont get paid.


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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: Aedan]
    #19364426 - 01/03/14 05:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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With no minimum wage, you could write employment contracts that essentially legalized slavery.




You missed my point.  It's a free, voluntary contract... meaning that the employer isn't forcing anyone to sign it.  Suppose someone does start a business that offers positions starting at $0.01 an hour.  If someone wants to, they can work for that company.  But somehow, I suspect that a rival business that offers positions more favorable to the worker, say for $8.25 an hour, will attract all the employees over the former company.




You're free voluntary contract isn't free and voluntary at all! It simply exploits the need for humans to eat to survive. At some point, when money is needed for food and you are starving, you will accept anything even if you consider it unfair. The company offering 8.25 will get all the employees the need. But what about the rest?




What about them?  There's such a thing called unemployment benefits for those too unfortunate to land minimum-wage jobs, as is.  If they want more than what the government's already handing out to them, they're welcome to work at the company offering $0.01 an hour.  At least it's a job.  :shrug:  Wouldn't mandating a minimum wage mean that such $0.01 jobs would be illegal and cease to exist, meaning that those people who would be at least working for a few extra pennies in this no-minimum-wage scenario no longer have the ability to do so?


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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: morrowasted]
    #19364432 - 01/03/14 05:10 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Lots of workers aren't worth $10 either


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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: DebuteMachine]
    #19364446 - 01/03/14 05:11 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

If you want more than two bucks and tips, try a trade.


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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: myc_check1212]
    #19364448 - 01/03/14 05:11 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

fuck minimun wage, im all about income CAPS. no one needs more than 50 fucking million dollars, seriously. and that's generous.


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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: DebuteMachine] * 1
    #19364478 - 01/03/14 05:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Yes that's the spirit comrade


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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: DebuteMachine] * 1
    #19364488 - 01/03/14 05:16 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Patlal, your last two posts are some of your best. :super:

Now, go post your fucking picture in the pic of pubbers thread!


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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: koods]
    #19364504 - 01/03/14 05:18 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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What about them?  There's such a thing called unemployment benefits for those too unfortunate to land minimum-wage jobs, as is.  If they want more than what the government's already handing out to them, they're welcome to work at the company offering $0.01 an hour.



You have no clue how unemployment works, do you?


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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: koods]
    #19364521 - 01/03/14 05:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

My point was that unemployed people already can get a check from the government.  If they don't want a handout, they're by all means welcome to get out there and have at whatever employers will take them.

I shouldn't have said "more than" in my previous post, my bad.


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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: DebuteMachine]
    #19364522 - 01/03/14 05:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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fuck minimun wage, im all about income CAPS. no one needs more than 50 fucking million dollars, seriously. and that's generous.



Someone making that much has no effect on your ability to accumulate wealth. The amount of wealth is not fixed.


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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: deCypher]
    #19364526 - 01/03/14 05:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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deCypher said:
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koods said:
With no minimum wage, you could write employment contracts that essentially legalized slavery.




You missed my point.  It's a free, voluntary contract... meaning that the employer isn't forcing anyone to sign it.  Suppose someone does start a business that offers positions starting at $0.01 an hour.  If someone wants to, they can work for that company.  But somehow, I suspect that a rival business that offers positions more favorable to the worker, say for $8.25 an hour, will attract all the employees over the former company.




You're free voluntary contract isn't free and voluntary at all! It simply exploits the need for humans to eat to survive. At some point, when money is needed for food and you are starving, you will accept anything even if you consider it unfair. The company offering 8.25 will get all the employees the need. But what about the rest?




What about them?  There's such a thing called unemployment benefits for those too unfortunate to land minimum-wage jobs, as is.  If they want more than what the government's already handing out to them, they're welcome to work at the company offering $0.01 an hour.  At least it's a job.  :shrug:  Wouldn't mandating a minimum wage mean that such $0.01 jobs would be illegal and cease to exist, meaning that those people who would be at least working for a few extra pennies in this no-minimum-wage scenario no longer have the ability to do so?




Well, at least there the unemployment benefits. Another rule meant to make the game fairer.

Historically, humans have been exploited pretty much everywhere. There's been a consensus. People don't like it. Which is why laws have been created to prevent it. It isn't a hard concept to understand. Its societal evolution. It increases the wellbeing of people.


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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: Gilgamesh18]
    #19364535 - 01/03/14 05:22 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Gilgamesh you didn't think your post through.


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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: Patlal]
    #19364536 - 01/03/14 05:22 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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deCypher said:
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You missed my point.  It's a free, voluntary contract... meaning that the employer isn't forcing anyone to sign it.  Suppose someone does start a business that offers positions starting at $0.01 an hour.  If someone wants to, they can work for that company.  But somehow, I suspect that a rival business that offers positions more favorable to the worker, say for $8.25 an hour, will attract all the employees over the former company.




You're free voluntary contract isn't free and voluntary at all! It simply exploits the need for humans to eat to survive. At some point, when money is needed for food and you are starving, you will accept anything even if you consider it unfair. The company offering 8.25 will get all the employees the need. But what about the rest?




What about them?  There's such a thing called unemployment benefits for those too unfortunate to land minimum-wage jobs, as is.  If they want more than what the government's already handing out to them, they're welcome to work at the company offering $0.01 an hour.  At least it's a job.  :shrug:  Wouldn't mandating a minimum wage mean that such $0.01 jobs would be illegal and cease to exist, meaning that those people who would be at least working for a few extra pennies in this no-minimum-wage scenario no longer have the ability to do so?




Well, at least there the unemployment benefits. Another rule meant to make the game fairer.

Historically, humans have been exploited pretty much everywhere. There's been a consensus. People don't like it. Which is why laws have been created to prevent it. It isn't a hard concept to understand. Its societal evolution. It increases the wellbeing of people.




I'm all for unemployment benefits.  I think I'm probably against minimum-wage laws, however, as evidenced by my previous arguments--in fact I'm sure I'd have a pretty good basis to argue that they're exploitative of the employer, as a matter of fact.  Care for a rebuttal of my points?


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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: koods]
    #19364537 - 01/03/14 05:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Patlal, your last two posts are some of your best. :super:

Now, go post your fucking picture in the pic of pubbers thread!




Thank you.

And no, there's been such a hype about the picture that it's up to a point where I don't want to disappoint people.


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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: Patlal]
    #19364540 - 01/03/14 05:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

:rolleyes:


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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: DebuteMachine]
    #19364542 - 01/03/14 05:24 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Gilgamesh you didn't think your post through.



I did though I do not agree with your assessment that the amount of wealth  someone can accumulate should be limited.


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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: Patlal]
    #19364547 - 01/03/14 05:24 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Unemployment is at 99 weeks plus and currently in talks to go longer. Wait a minute, I made a mistake thinking I could have real talk here.


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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: Patlal] * 2
    #19364550 - 01/03/14 05:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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No, you just failed to take in account the wellbeing of your fellow citizens




Their well-being is their problem and of those who wish to coddle them.




Says the extremely indivudualistic American. I don't blame you, Americans are the most individualistic country in the world. By far. While you see this as an advantage, the rest of the world sees it as a heartless way of thinking.

Its sad that the US government managed to spread such strong propaganda during the cold war. Every word that meant helping each other out were demonized and put in the big bad communism section. To the point where altruism is considered to be inherently wrong.

I truly hope for America that one day this selfish way of thinking will stop. It is toxic and makes everybody's lives harder. No longer should social programs = communism. No longer should socialism = communism. Hell communism should be seen as such an evil thing. It just a different way of doing things...




And I truly hope that someday you realize that not believing in a minimum wage is not the same as being selfish.

I don't pay minimum. I won't hire someone who is only worth minimum.

I'm simply able to realize that there are those people and those jobs... that are not worth minimum as it stands. There are business owners who don't make much more than minimum when you figure in all their hours. Raise the minimum and those people will:
A. Raise prices for us all, partially (at least) negating the increase.
b. Lay off those they can no longer afford.
C. Prevent new hires (for at least the current time).

There will always be those that rise. There will always be those who fall. Paying someone more than they are worth helps a small few at the expense of many others.


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