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LiquidSubstrate
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First Documented Grow - Need Assistance.
#19364145 - 01/03/14 04:20 PM (10 years, 27 days ago) |
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Hey Shroomery!
I have been practicing mycology for a year now. However, I have not been able to accomplish a monotub to date! I have tried 4 times, twice with popcorn and twice with rye grains. I have done 3 successful pk tek grows with some damn potent mushies but I want the monotub!!!
Anyways! I want to try with your guyz personal help.
I will write my new grow attempt as a grow log for you to follow.
- I plan to use 7 quarts of rye for spawn to 7 quarts of coir/verm(70/30 mix) with no gypsum.
- Using frank's technique as a guideline for myself.
- I have 1 colonized mastergrain(Rye) jar that I will be using to G2G to the seven jars I prepare.
- Will continuously post with updates of process.
(Post pictures later)
1/2/14 - Day one
Today I plan to soak my rye grain for 14 hours and prepare jars with polyfil filters.

I measured out approx. 6 quarts amount of rye, rinse thoroughly, and now soaking. I choose to go a little less as the rye grains will expand. I plan to fill the jars 2/3 full for g2g.

Jars are cleaned and I just need to apply polyfil filters.
. Clean Jar 
Until tomorrow thanks again!
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Re: First Documented Grow - Need Assistance. [Re: LiquidSubstrate]
#19364204 - 01/03/14 04:30 PM (10 years, 27 days ago) |
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i use 1 cup of dry grain per qaurt and a little less then 2/3's full if it's for g2g
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MudaFuka
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Re: First Documented Grow - Need Assistance. [Re: cronicr]
#19364242 - 01/03/14 04:37 PM (10 years, 27 days ago) |
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your PC looks very similar to the cheep piece of shit I use. dose it have a pressure gauge. If not its possible it only goes up to around 12 psi in witch case you are going to wont to PC for a little over 2 hours. I could be wrong but it looks so similar.
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Re: First Documented Grow - Need Assistance. [Re: MudaFuka]
#19364305 - 01/03/14 04:50 PM (10 years, 27 days ago) |
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Ah yes my first PC, complete piece of shit! I have since bought a 23 quart mirro pressure cooker with 5, 10 , and 15 PSI to do this grow!

There she is I hope she serves me well.
Yea I would pressure cook for 2 hours at a time for 3 grain jars...horrible.
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Re: First Documented Grow - Need Assistance. [Re: LiquidSubstrate]
#19364315 - 01/03/14 04:52 PM (10 years, 27 days ago) |
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right on. I cant wait to get a better PC.
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Re: First Documented Grow - Need Assistance. [Re: LiquidSubstrate]
#19364657 - 01/03/14 05:39 PM (10 years, 27 days ago) |
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LiquidSubstrate said: Ah yes my first PC, complete piece of shit! I have since bought a 23 quart mirro pressure cooker with 5, 10 , and 15 PSI to do this grow!

There she is I hope she serves me well.
Yea I would pressure cook for 2 hours at a time for 3 grain jars...horrible.
thats the model i'm using at the moment, got me an all american coming though
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MarcusFreeman



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Re: First Documented Grow - Need Assistance. [Re: cronicr]
#19364715 - 01/03/14 05:48 PM (10 years, 27 days ago) |
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What issues have you had with the mono tub? Is it in the spawn, before it makes it to the tub? Or after you have spawned to bulk?
Just curious. I am working on my first tub, and I would like to trouble shoot issues before they happen.
-------------------- "The trick is to use the drugs once to get there, and maybe spend the next ten years trying to get back there without the drug." MJK As one ends, another begins.
Edited by MarcusFreeman (01/03/14 05:49 PM)
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LiquidSubstrate
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Re: First Documented Grow - Need Assistance. [Re: MarcusFreeman]
#19364966 - 01/03/14 06:35 PM (10 years, 27 days ago) |
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MarcusFreeman said: What issues have you had with the mono tub? Is it in the spawn, before it makes it to the tub? Or after you have spawned to bulk?
Just curious. I am working on my first tub, and I would like to trouble shoot issues before they happen.
To be honest that's why I am here. I have no idea. I would say spawn if I had to make a hypothesis. Bad spawn caused by bad equipment. I believe I have strong sterile technique.
After I spawned to bulk with what I believed was good spawn it would colonize a bit particular not completely in certain areas. Although nothing smelt horrid, but I knew after 2 weeks it was time to throw them out.
Edited by LiquidSubstrate (01/03/14 06:36 PM)
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LiquidSubstrate
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Re: First Documented Grow - Need Assistance. [Re: LiquidSubstrate]
#19364981 - 01/03/14 06:38 PM (10 years, 27 days ago) |
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Two weeks after the substrate was almost completely filled.
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Re: First Documented Grow - Need Assistance. [Re: LiquidSubstrate]
#19365045 - 01/03/14 06:46 PM (10 years, 27 days ago) |
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LiquidSubstrate said:

Using a POS like that is good for new cultivators, lets you appreciate a good PC when you get one I used to have a hunk of crap like that, and I still break it out every now and then. But these days I have an AA and love it.
Good vibes on your grow
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MarcusFreeman



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Re: First Documented Grow - Need Assistance. [Re: Pastywhyte]
#19365090 - 01/03/14 06:54 PM (10 years, 27 days ago) |
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So, they didn't fruit? You had good colonization, but not fruiting action?
Have you been using the same genetics?
-------------------- "The trick is to use the drugs once to get there, and maybe spend the next ten years trying to get back there without the drug." MJK As one ends, another begins.
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Re: First Documented Grow - Need Assistance. [Re: MarcusFreeman]
#19365094 - 01/03/14 06:54 PM (10 years, 27 days ago) |
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were you paturizing properly(not the bucket tek lol)
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Re: First Documented Grow - Need Assistance. [Re: cronicr]
#19365115 - 01/03/14 06:58 PM (10 years, 27 days ago) |
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cronicr said: were you paturizing properly(not the bucket tek lol)
Is the bucket tek no bueno? Got a link fora good tek? There are so many different teks and links, it can be pretty damn confusing about which one to go with.
-------------------- "The trick is to use the drugs once to get there, and maybe spend the next ten years trying to get back there without the drug." MJK As one ends, another begins.
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Re: First Documented Grow - Need Assistance. [Re: Pastywhyte]
#19365154 - 01/03/14 07:06 PM (10 years, 27 days ago) |
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I had sketchy colonization that didn't fruit. No fruiting action whatsoever even after 2+ weeks after colonizing.
I used my POS to properly pasteurize my substrate reaching average temperatures of 150 F for 90 mins. Than cooled overnight and spawned...All the spawn smelt mushroomy for sure!
I blame my POS but that is in the past.
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MarcusFreeman



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Re: First Documented Grow - Need Assistance. [Re: LiquidSubstrate]
#19365176 - 01/03/14 07:09 PM (10 years, 27 days ago) |
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Well, good luck to ya on this one! Hopefully it will all come together for you this time.
-------------------- "The trick is to use the drugs once to get there, and maybe spend the next ten years trying to get back there without the drug." MJK As one ends, another begins.
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cronicr



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Re: First Documented Grow - Need Assistance. [Re: MarcusFreeman]
#19365188 - 01/03/14 07:12 PM (10 years, 27 days ago) |
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yeah check franks pasturizing tek out, if you click my journal right above my avatar then click the way it should be theres all kinds of good teks, the bucket tek is just not quite a proper pasturization
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MarcusFreeman



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Re: First Documented Grow - Need Assistance. [Re: cronicr]
#19365215 - 01/03/14 07:16 PM (10 years, 27 days ago) |
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cronicr said: yeah check franks pasturizing tek out, if you click my journal right above my avatar then click the way it should be theres all kinds of good teks, the bucket tek is just not quite a proper pasturization
Gotchya! I'll most certainly check it out. Thanks!
-------------------- "The trick is to use the drugs once to get there, and maybe spend the next ten years trying to get back there without the drug." MJK As one ends, another begins.
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Re: First Documented Grow - Need Assistance. [Re: cronicr]
#19365738 - 01/03/14 08:57 PM (10 years, 27 days ago) |
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cronicr said: yeah check franks pasturizing tek out, if you click my journal right above my avatar then click the way it should be theres all kinds of good teks, the bucket tek is just not quite a proper pasturization
If OP was using hpoo or straw in his sub I would agree, but I am starting to believe that coir verm is invincible and want to say for him to look at his spawn.
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cronicr



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Re: First Documented Grow - Need Assistance. [Re: Pastywhyte]
#19365745 - 01/03/14 08:59 PM (10 years, 27 days ago) |
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yeah scarface and the bucket tek felt the same way:( invincible,and it didn't end well for them
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Re: First Documented Grow - Need Assistance. [Re: cronicr]
#19365796 - 01/03/14 09:10 PM (10 years, 27 days ago) |
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Pastywhyte
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Re: First Documented Grow - Need Assistance. [Re: cronicr]
#19365802 - 01/03/14 09:11 PM (10 years, 27 days ago) |
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Guess at this point OP should cover all his bases and proper pasteurization wouldn't hurt in eliminating variables.
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cronicr



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Re: First Documented Grow - Need Assistance. [Re: Pastywhyte]
#19365805 - 01/03/14 09:12 PM (10 years, 27 days ago) |
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MudaFuka
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Re: First Documented Grow - Need Assistance. [Re: cronicr]
#19365894 - 01/03/14 09:29 PM (10 years, 27 days ago) |
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this coir virm sub was prepared using the bucket tek quit poorly. I didn't check the water's temp before adding it to the bucket and it was way to hot it hovered around 190 for a good while. That being said iv seen nothing out of the ordinary growing on it yet.
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LiquidSubstrate
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Re: First Documented Grow - Need Assistance. [Re: MudaFuka]
#19369373 - 01/04/14 05:31 PM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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I do properly pasteurize using frank method with the jars.
1/3 - Jar Prep.
I have since rinsed, simmered(3mins), and dried the grains(1 hour).
My jars are loaded! I just have to wait til morning to Pressure cook them .


Thanks all!
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Re: First Documented Grow - Need Assistance. [Re: LiquidSubstrate]
#19369509 - 01/04/14 06:01 PM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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LiquidSubstrate said: I do properly pasteurize using frank method with the jars.
1/3 - Jar Prep.
I have since rinsed, simmered(3mins), and dried the grains(1 hour).
My jars are loaded! I just have to wait til morning to Pressure cook them .


Thanks all!
you just earned your first rating
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Re: First Documented Grow - Need Assistance. [Re: LiquidSubstrate]
#19369634 - 01/04/14 06:24 PM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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LiquidSubstrate said: I do properly pasteurize using frank method with the jars.
1/3 - Jar Prep.
I have since rinsed, simmered(3mins), and dried the grains(1 hour).
My jars are loaded! I just have to wait til morning to Pressure cook them .


Thanks all!
Well, if you are pasteurizing properly, possibly genetics? Are you using agar, lc, g2g or multi spore to inoculate your jars?
-------------------- "The trick is to use the drugs once to get there, and maybe spend the next ten years trying to get back there without the drug." MJK As one ends, another begins.
Edited by MarcusFreeman (01/04/14 06:25 PM)
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Re: First Documented Grow - Need Assistance. [Re: MarcusFreeman]
#19369679 - 01/04/14 06:34 PM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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Multiple spore to make my master and then g2g.
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Re: First Documented Grow - Need Assistance. [Re: LiquidSubstrate]
#19369758 - 01/04/14 06:49 PM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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How many attempts with no avail?
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Re: First Documented Grow - Need Assistance. [Re: MarcusFreeman]
#19370852 - 01/04/14 11:55 PM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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I have attempted 4 monos, 2 at a time. So, 2 seperate attempts. I said screw it at one point and started from scratch making up a new clean master jar for this attempt.
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Re: First Documented Grow - Need Assistance. [Re: LiquidSubstrate]
#19370858 - 01/04/14 11:57 PM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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LiquidSubstrate
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Re: First Documented Grow - Need Assistance. [Re: tripdawg420]
#19371444 - 01/05/14 05:30 AM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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Thanks for the rating! :P
1/4 - Pressure cooking (90 mins after met pressure), will allow to cool at room temperature, and possible g2g today.


My master grain jar, so does it have the approval? Smells and looks great to me.

(Side Project)Practice tray... I think it's done, opinion? I plan to add the tray to my SGFC.
Thanks all!
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Re: First Documented Grow - Need Assistance. [Re: LiquidSubstrate]
#19371468 - 01/05/14 05:52 AM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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what kind of mushrooms you growing
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LiquidSubstrate
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Re: First Documented Grow - Need Assistance. [Re: twistedty]
#19371475 - 01/05/14 05:57 AM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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P.Cubensis - Either Mazatapec or BHT. I'm not completely sure as the label fell off. However those were the syringes I was working with at the time.
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Re: First Documented Grow - Need Assistance. [Re: LiquidSubstrate]
#19371526 - 01/05/14 06:34 AM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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MarcusFreeman



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Re: First Documented Grow - Need Assistance. [Re: cronicr]
#19372338 - 01/05/14 11:01 AM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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Master is looking good!
If this attempt fails, I'm going to send you a new print to work with(assuming you are in the USA and normal postage will pay to get it to you)
I've read that some genetics are lousy fruiters, and that can be the case with Multi spore.
It looks like you've done all the right things. The odds should be in your favor.
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Re: First Documented Grow - Need Assistance. [Re: MarcusFreeman]
#19374549 - 01/05/14 07:54 PM (10 years, 25 days ago) |
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1/4 - inoculated grain jars using SAB.

Had plastic wrap on the top...really hard to work in. I will definitely be making a easier one to work in.

Heres the grain after pressuring cooking for 90 mins. It appears abit moist with some of the grains, but do you think this will pose a problem. I guess I will find out. >.<
Thanks again!
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Re: First Documented Grow - Need Assistance. [Re: LiquidSubstrate]
#19374557 - 01/05/14 07:56 PM (10 years, 25 days ago) |
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normal for ther to be a little moisture right after the pc cycle
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tripdawg420
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Re: First Documented Grow - Need Assistance. [Re: cronicr]
#19374591 - 01/05/14 08:05 PM (10 years, 25 days ago) |
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hell ya
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LiquidSubstrate
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Re: First Documented Grow - Need Assistance. [Re: tripdawg420]
#19439260 - 01/18/14 06:54 PM (10 years, 12 days ago) |
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Hey shroomery!
I am still waiting on my grains to colonize, but heres what happened with that practice tray! 
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Pastywhyte
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Re: First Documented Grow - Need Assistance. [Re: LiquidSubstrate]
#19439321 - 01/18/14 07:03 PM (10 years, 12 days ago) |
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