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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: DebuteMachine]
    #19364559 - 01/03/14 05:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Gilgamesh you didn't think your post through.




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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: koods]
    #19364562 - 01/03/14 05:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I think there should be national standards. Without them, you setup situations where essentially parts of this country are the 3rd world.




So you'd pay the guy in the country the same as the guy in the city?

Why do you hate the guy in the city?


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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19364564 - 01/03/14 05:27 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Says the extremely indivudualistic American. I don't blame you, Americans are the most individualistic country in the world. By far. While you see this as an advantage, the rest of the world sees it as a heartless way of thinking.

Its sad that the US government managed to spread such strong propaganda during the cold war. Every word that meant helping each other out were demonized and put in the big bad communism section. To the point where altruism is considered to be inherently wrong.

I truly hope for America that one day this selfish way of thinking will stop. It is toxic and makes everybody's lives harder. No longer should social programs = communism. No longer should socialism = communism. Hell communism should be seen as such an evil thing. It just a different way of doing things...




And I truly hope that someday you realize that not believing in a minimum wage is not the same as being selfish.

I don't pay minimum. I won't hire someone who is only worth minimum.

I'm simply able to realize that there are those people and those jobs... that are not worth minimum as it stands. There are business owners who don't make much more than minimum when you figure in all their hours. Raise the minimum and those people will:
A. Raise prices for us all, partially (at least) negating the increase.
b. Lay off those they can no longer afford.
C. Prevent new hires (for at least the current time).

There will always be those that rise. There will always be those who fall. Paying someone more than they are worth helps a small few at the expense of many others.




I have a feeling most people who advocate for raising the minimum wage are only thinking of those poor, poor impoverished workers who deserve a higher paycheck to match the increased cost of living ....... FAIR POINTS, no contest ....... but are ignoring the inevitable consequences of such a raise, which luvdemshrooms lucidly demonstrated.


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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19364576 - 01/03/14 05:29 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I simple think that we all only have so much time on this earth. no one HAS to live in poverty, we just choose to allow it because it was what we're taught. the status quo will never change, and that's why i think all these filthy ass rich MF'ers don't need more than 50 million dollars.

if you think it's okay that walmart is allowed to pay a lower minimun wage in DC while the workers are barely able to make ends meat, you're a sick fucker.

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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: Aedan]
    #19364580 - 01/03/14 05:29 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I believe the economy is a self balancing system.  If there is a country of people where a large majority work for unlivable wages, the cost of living will be forced to drop. Rich people who make money off owning land can't make any money if everyone is too poor to pay the going rate, so he is forced to drop his rates. Same with other necessities.

You have a lot of young people who are faced with either getting a lot of schooling done, busting their ass, and knowing a lot of people which can land them a salaried, 40k+/y job or getting a min wage service job. The middle class we saw in older generations is eroding down to nothing due to globalization/mechinazation.

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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: DebuteMachine]
    #19364590 - 01/03/14 05:31 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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if you think it's okay that walmart is allowed to pay a lower minimun wage in DC while the workers are barely able to make ends meat, you're a sick fucker.




Lower than what?


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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: DebuteMachine]
    #19364596 - 01/03/14 05:31 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

You have to have had a job to get unemployment, and the benefits only last a set amount of time.


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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: koods]
    #19364603 - 01/03/14 05:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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the benefits only last a set amount of time.




:laugh2:

Congress keeps extending the time. They will again in a week or two as Dems pander and Reps cower.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19364605 - 01/03/14 05:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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luvdemshrooms said:
Quote:

koods said:
I think there should be national standards. Without them, you setup situations where essentially parts of this country are the 3rd world.




So you'd pay the guy in the country the same as the guy in the city?

Why do you hate the guy in the city?




Were talking about the MINIMUM wage. Most places that aren't shitholes in this country already require a higher minimum wage than the federal rate.


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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19364611 - 01/03/14 05:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Quote:

DebuteMachine said:
if you think it's okay that walmart is allowed to pay a lower minimun wage in DC while the workers are barely able to make ends meat, you're a sick fucker.




Lower than what?




I stopped following the story, but this is my understand as of december last year.

*There are currently 0 wal-marts in DC, and wal-mart wanted to open two.

*Wal-mart demanded that they pay a lower minimun wage that the legal minimun wage in DC

*DC said no and wal-mart said fine we don't open any stores.

*After confirming that Wally world could go fuck itself, DC caved in

*There are now 2 wal-marts opening in the district.


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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: koods]
    #19364613 - 01/03/14 05:34 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Great. Except you can have vastly different expenses in the same city/county/state.


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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19364616 - 01/03/14 05:34 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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luvdemshrooms said:
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Patlal said:
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luvdemshrooms said:
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Patlal said:
No, you just failed to take in account the wellbeing of your fellow citizens




Their well-being is their problem and of those who wish to coddle them.




Says the extremely indivudualistic American. I don't blame you, Americans are the most individualistic country in the world. By far. While you see this as an advantage, the rest of the world sees it as a heartless way of thinking.

Its sad that the US government managed to spread such strong propaganda during the cold war. Every word that meant helping each other out were demonized and put in the big bad communism section. To the point where altruism is considered to be inherently wrong.

I truly hope for America that one day this selfish way of thinking will stop. It is toxic and makes everybody's lives harder. No longer should social programs = communism. No longer should socialism = communism. Hell communism should be seen as such an evil thing. It just a different way of doing things...




And I truly hope that someday you realize that not believing in a minimum wage is not the same as being selfish.

I don't pay minimum. I won't hire someone who is only worth minimum.

I'm simply able to realize that there are those people and those jobs... that are not worth minimum as it stands. There are business owners who don't make much more than minimum when you figure in all their hours. Raise the minimum and those people will:
A. Raise prices for us all, partially (at least) negating the increase.
b. Lay off those they can no longer afford.
C. Prevent new hires (for at least the current time).

There will always be those that rise. There will always be those who fall. Paying someone more than they are worth helps a small few at the expense of many others.




If the owners do not make more than minimum salary after all the advantages they get from being in business, the message is clear. Either the guy is a shitty manager or his business plan is not viable.

Of course it has an effect on the workforce. But in the end at it does is it shifts the wealth around a little. When the minimum salary is raised, it takes a few bucks from the rich and it gives it to the poor. So technically, it's a small solution to the ever increasing problem of wealth inequality. It allows these people to pay the rent to their landlord. Imagine if the minimum salary was never raised and inflation was kept at the same paste? There would be no money make anywhere. Apartments would be dirt cheap (the landlord would make no cash). Food would need to be dirt cheap too (what's the point of having products you can't sell cause its too expensive)? The end result would be that everybody would be poorer.

A strong economy is based on how rich your poorest citizens are. Because like it or not they are the majority.


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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: DebuteMachine]
    #19364638 - 01/03/14 05:36 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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DebuteMachine said:
Quote:

luvdemshrooms said:
Quote:

DebuteMachine said:
if you think it's okay that walmart is allowed to pay a lower minimun wage in DC while the workers are barely able to make ends meat, you're a sick fucker.




Lower than what?




I stopped following the story, but this is my understand as of december last year.

*There are currently 0 wal-marts in DC, and wal-mart wanted to open two.

*Wal-mart demanded that they pay a lower minimun wage that the legal minimun wage in DC

*DC said no and wal-mart said fine we don't open any stores.

*After confirming that Wally world could go fuck itself, DC caved in

*There are now 2 wal-marts opening in the district.


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Those were the details I understood.




Clearly you never actually started following the story. If you had you know that the city tried to pass a law that would force businesses with over a certain square footage pay a minimum substantially higher that other businesses. Amazingly enough the only businesses that would have been affected by this law was Walmart.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: DebuteMachine]
    #19364643 - 01/03/14 05:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Correct, no body has to live in poverty. If only there were a country with defined roles of government and guaranteed rights of the citizen, with a free market capitalist system, where as long as a worker has discipline and a work ethic he can hey ahead of the heard...

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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19364646 - 01/03/14 05:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

you are so intelligent

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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: Patlal]
    #19364650 - 01/03/14 05:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Patlal said:
If the owners do not make more than minimum salary after all the advantages they get from being in business, the message is clear. Either the guy is a shitty manager or his business plan is not viable.




I see you've never started a business. Many struggle for years before becoming truly profitable.

Your lack of knowledge about business is laughable.


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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: Patlal]
    #19364655 - 01/03/14 05:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Actually, they tried to pass a minimum wage that was about 4 dollars higher, and the way the law was worded, would only apply to walmart.

DC did raise their minimum wage afterwards, however to around $12 by 2017 in conjunction with Montgomery and PG counties in MD.


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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: DebuteMachine]
    #19364656 - 01/03/14 05:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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you are so intelligent




Yup. Plus... I pay attention.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19364665 - 01/03/14 05:41 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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DebuteMachine said:
you are so intelligent




Yup. Plus... I pay attention.




given most of your posts you actually have a feedback loop of thinking your thoughts are the only important ones.

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Re: so like... the minimum wage is a socialist crime now [Re: koods]
    #19364667 - 01/03/14 05:41 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

koods said:
Actually, they tried to pass a minimum wage that was about 4 dollars higher, and the way the law was worded, would only apply to walmart.

DC did raise their minimum wage afterwards, however to around $12 by 2017 in conjunction with Montgomery and PG counties in MD.




It's good to see I'm not the only one who follows the news.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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