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TomShruise
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Using bucket instead of filter bag
#19363964 - 01/03/14 03:34 PM (10 years, 27 days ago) |
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I just bought a Golden Teacher growbox kit. Im still at the folks so im trying to be as stealth as possible so i was wondering whether i could replace the filter bag with a bucket? (this buckets been in my room for time and is regularly seen by them so its cool)

The bucket holds the grow box perfectly and once the lid to the bucket is on it's fairly air tight so itll hold humidity well + the temp is at steady 25celcius but do i REALLY NEED that little filter on the provided filter bag? or can i just bin it use my bucket and open the lid once a day?
Apologies if this is in the wrong thread and i searched before i posted.
Cheers Im UK based by the way
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Re: Using bucket instead of filter bag [Re: TomShruise]
#19364138 - 01/03/14 04:19 PM (10 years, 27 days ago) |
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post pics of everything
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Re: Using bucket instead of filter bag [Re: cronicr]
#19364401 - 01/03/14 05:06 PM (10 years, 27 days ago) |
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Sounds to me like you bought pre-sterilized bags of spawn too?
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Re: Using bucket instead of filter bag [Re: cronicr]
#19364467 - 01/03/14 05:14 PM (10 years, 27 days ago) |
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Ok so this is my bucket with the grow box inside, it fits great: ( i can put the grow box inside the filter bag THEN inside the bucket but its kinda squashed)

The filter bag that came with the grow box kit:

The little set up i have out of prying eyes: (Basically its just a vegie basket on top of a heat mat)

and the heat mat raised slightly off the floor which the bucket will go on top of:

I just think that with the grow box in the bucket rather than the bag there's more room. What do you think?
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Re: Using bucket instead of filter bag [Re: KnownPown]
#19364480 - 01/03/14 05:15 PM (10 years, 27 days ago) |
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KnownPown said: Sounds to me like you bought pre-sterilized bags of spawn too?
Yea the whole grow kit bundle. a box with prespawned mycelium and a filter bag.
this>> http://www.zamnesia.com/magic-mushroom-grow-kit/1108-golden-teacher.html
Edited by TomShruise (01/03/14 05:17 PM)
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Re: Using bucket instead of filter bag [Re: TomShruise]
#19364513 - 01/03/14 05:18 PM (10 years, 27 days ago) |
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get some perlite for your tote and drill 1/4 inch holes spaced 2 inches apart on all six sides and elevate it with jars or whatever your using now so air can pass up and underneathe it, don't use the bag they gave you your tote and perlite will serve you much better
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Re: Using bucket instead of filter bag [Re: cronicr]
#19364570 - 01/03/14 05:28 PM (10 years, 27 days ago) |
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cronicr said: get some perlite for your tote and drill 1/4 inch holes spaced 2 inches apart on all six sides and elevate it with jars or whatever your using now so air can pass up and underneathe it, don't use the bag they gave you your tote and perlite will serve you much better
Nice one for the advice cronicr! but i gotta drain the box in the morning so no time to get perlite or fuck about. Also im planning on a cup or two of water in the bucket to create humidity and open the lid of it once a day and fan to freshen up. Do you reckon this will be ok? (all without the filter bag?)
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Re: Using bucket instead of filter bag [Re: TomShruise]
#19364617 - 01/03/14 05:34 PM (10 years, 27 days ago) |
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it's passive/constant fresh air exchange your after, if your around enough to baby sit it you can always treat it like a mono tub and just drill the six holes stuffed with poly and have a fan running in the room and mist when the surface starts to look dry
basicly what i'm saying is to focus more on fae then humidity for best results, as long as your misting/fanning it out when needed the evaporation from your misting will give your sub 100% humidity on the surface where it matters most, the rh in the chamber just controls how fast your sub drys out and makes sure your fruits don't dry out, so if you have some passive fae it will help give you some constant and steady evaporation
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Re: Using bucket instead of filter bag [Re: cronicr]
#19367041 - 01/04/14 06:45 AM (10 years, 27 days ago) |
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Cool man cheers. ill post some pics if this all works. its nice and humid in there at the moment, so, so far so good it seems.
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Re: Using bucket instead of filter bag [Re: TomShruise]
#19367078 - 01/04/14 07:08 AM (10 years, 27 days ago) |
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what the deal with the legality of this in UK? can myc cultures be sold but once it forms fruits it becomes considered a "narcotic"? or if it is dried it is illegal?
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Re: Using bucket instead of filter bag [Re: blindingleaf]
#19367103 - 01/04/14 07:29 AM (10 years, 27 days ago) |
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illegal through and through. A good few years back, shops started to pop up here and there because of a loophole (i cant remember exactly) probably as you said, they were legal at some stage then another illegal.
Then they realised, closed the loophole and raided all the shops.
We do have Liberty Caps that grow wild in abundance but i read recently they have people patrolling the parks looking out for pickers. IF your caught, youll probably just be cautioned same with most of the common drugs over here.
The kit i bought got through no problem though, i even got to track it with the transit company. But anyway as i said Class A's.
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Re: Using bucket instead of filter bag [Re: TomShruise]
#19367286 - 01/04/14 08:54 AM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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weird... cause the price (from the site u linked to) is listed in pounds...(or is that the euro sign?) for living myc...? perhaps an oversight as most gov'ts are prone to
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Re: Using bucket instead of filter bag [Re: blindingleaf]
#19367315 - 01/04/14 09:09 AM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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the link is listed in Euros but for anything on that site its either £ $ or Euro. You can choose at the top.
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Re: Using bucket instead of filter bag [Re: TomShruise]
#19367329 - 01/04/14 09:18 AM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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I hate to be a bitch... But don't grow drugs at your parents house.
Really... You don't have to be a mathematician to see the outcome.
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which ever way it goes ill share the outcome...
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Quote:
tropicalfrenzy said: I hate to be a bitch... But don't grow drugs at your parents house.
Really... You don't have to be a mathematician to see the outcome.
lol i didn't even catch that
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tropicalfrenzy said: don't grow drugs at your parents house.
QFT. It really does not matter how you present the facts. Growing when roommates/parents do not condone is a recipe for disaster. I hate to say that the first thing you should be doing right now is finding a stable place to reside on your own. What you are insinuating will lead to nothing but troubles. Have some common decency for their rules. It will get harder and harder for you to hide that thing from them....I don't care how good you think you are, you obviously don't give your parents enough credit. They are smarter than you think, and mothers can feel you doing wrong across 3000 miles of open ocean.
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Re: Using bucket instead of filter bag [Re: TomShruise]
#19369480 - 01/04/14 05:55 PM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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TomShruise said: illegal through and through. A good few years back, shops started to pop up here and there because of a loophole (i cant remember exactly) probably as you said, they were legal at some stage then another illegal.
Then they realised, closed the loophole and raided all the shops.
We do have Liberty Caps that grow wild in abundance but i read recently they have people patrolling the parks looking out for pickers. IF your caught, youll probably just be cautioned same with most of the common drugs over here.
The kit i bought got through no problem though, i even got to track it with the transit company. But anyway as i said Class A's.
Shrooms were completely legal when fresh until 2005 (although considered a Class A drug if dried or prepared as tea), and live myc growkits were common. They were outlawed in July 2005, and picking wild semilanceata became a crime.
But as everyone says, move out of your parents' home and grow psychedelics at your own place.
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Re: Using bucket instead of filter bag [Re: lemmingp]
#19369512 - 01/04/14 06:01 PM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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Coke and heroin were legal in the 50's... laudanum and opium too. Everything has changed.
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tropicalfrenzy said: Coke and heroin were legal in the 50's... laudanum and opium too. Everything has changed.
I'm pleased sclerotia are still on sale here in the Netherlands. And live myc growkits for those who want them.
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Re: Using bucket instead of filter bag [Re: lemmingp]
#19383298 - 01/07/14 03:55 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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Tropic, Whippy fair call. Id been looking forward to growing for fucking time and couldn't help starting. Too excited and getting carried away. Moving the grow tomorrow.
Also cheers for the advice from everyone.
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Re: Using bucket instead of filter bag [Re: TomShruise]
#19386185 - 01/08/14 01:06 AM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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if I can impart 1 last bit of knowledge/experience.
DO NOT TELL ANYONE!!!
Not your GF, not your BFF.... no-one. People change, and you sitting on a mob of class A's is a great weapon for ex-friends to use against you. People talk, too... There are plenty of people in prison who didn't learn this lesson soon enough. I learned this the hard way growing weed.
I understand you are caught up with people right now Tom, but get out of it as soon as you finish your grow. Don't go deep with others involved.
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You could grow stones instead...
Those could sit in a box just about anywhere
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Re: Using bucket instead of filter bag [Re: PirateSwazey]
#19386244 - 01/08/14 01:29 AM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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for sure... great suggestion. More wait but great reward.
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i def wanna try stones at some point. i've read trip is more "clean" i.e. no tryptamine body load/buzz in beginning (kind of like phenythelamines (sp?)), which doesn't happen to me often, and when it does, its only an hour or so w/shrooms, but still, some ppl seem to hate it.
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Re: Using bucket instead of filter bag [Re: PirateSwazey]
#19386266 - 01/08/14 01:34 AM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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PirateSwazey said: You could grow stones instead...
Those could sit in a box just about anywhere 
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Re: Using bucket instead of filter bag [Re: blindingleaf]
#19386267 - 01/08/14 01:36 AM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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i grew a bunch of stones once...lost the bag of them a week later and never found them again lol! fuck was i mad! months of work down the drain
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Re: Using bucket instead of filter bag [Re: cronicr]
#19386321 - 01/08/14 02:11 AM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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No standing water, just mist when the surface is visably dry. until then
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Re: Using bucket instead of filter bag [Re: mushrume man]
#19386335 - 01/08/14 02:20 AM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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you be trippin mushrume man?
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Re: Using bucket instead of filter bag [Re: cronicr]
#19386343 - 01/08/14 02:24 AM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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cronicr said: i grew a bunch of stones once...lost the bag of them a week later and never found them again lol! fuck was i mad! months of work down the drain
I guess you lost the bag after sampling them at least? (directly after maybe?) 
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sadly nope
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tropicalfrenzy said: you be trippin mushrume man? 
Might as well be trippin, Im sleep and food deprived, other than a recent gut bomb. Might just be hallucinations from the bacon double w fries.
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TomShruise said:
Nice one for the advice cronicr! but i gotta drain the box in the morning so no time to get perlite or fuck about. Also im planning on a cup or two of water in the bucket to create humidity and open the lid of it once a day and fan to freshen up. Do you reckon this will be ok? (all without the filter bag?)
I just wanted to reference this post because It seemed like a bad idea, nobody mentioned it specifically
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Re: Using bucket instead of filter bag [Re: mushrume man]
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Yea standing water is definitely not a good idea.
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tropicalfrenzy said: if I can impart 1 last bit of knowledge/experience.
DO NOT TELL ANYONE!!!
Not your GF, not your BFF.... no-one. People change, and you sitting on a mob of class A's is a great weapon for ex-friends to use against you. People talk, too... There are plenty of people in prison who didn't learn this lesson soon enough. I learned this the hard way growing weed.
I understand you are caught up with people right now Tom, but get out of it as soon as you finish your grow. Don't go deep with others involved.
I hear your concerns Tropic, im being as cautious as fuck. Good advice tho, i'm humbled with your concern.
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Re: Using bucket instead of filter bag [Re: TomShruise]
#19388267 - 01/08/14 01:44 PM (10 years, 22 days ago) |
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The instructions i read on the site i bought off aswell as another all advised with the cup of water.
Why is water so bad? Because it goes stagnant? Im changing it every few days if that helps?
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Re: Using bucket instead of filter bag [Re: TomShruise]
#19388289 - 01/08/14 01:49 PM (10 years, 22 days ago) |
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there's just far better options(like perlite)
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Re: Using bucket instead of filter bag [Re: cronicr]
#19388350 - 01/08/14 02:05 PM (10 years, 22 days ago) |
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Right. Got you! cheers
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Re: Using bucket instead of filter bag [Re: cronicr]
#19391701 - 01/09/14 01:52 AM (10 years, 22 days ago) |
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cronicr said: sadly nope:(
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yo! just checking in with a few pics and a query.
So after just over two weeks shits started to happen. Personally im pretty happy with the outcome so far.
I read that the white stuff at the base is due to lack of FAE so Ive been trying to fan them much more. hopefully this will clear up soon!
Ive also just bought a misting bottle to generate a bit more humidity. I'm now also using Perlite instead of standing water!
Temp is stable at around 25c.
One thing im worried about is today i noticed a little discolouration at the base by the white fuzz. is that bruising? Or is contamination?
Thanks!
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Edited by TomShruise (01/20/14 06:59 AM)
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Re: Using bucket instead of filter bag [Re: TomShruise]
#19446346 - 01/20/14 07:18 AM (10 years, 11 days ago) |
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you dont have that fuzzy feet, but you seem to have fuzzy caps (veils)  do you have enough holes in that box? hard to tell from the pics. you don't fan for fae, fae is a constant thing slowly exchanging the air in your tub.
You could try to elevate the tray you got there with a rack or something so you dont block all the fresh air from coming up through the bottom holes.
the blue is just bruising.
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Re: Using bucket instead of filter bag [Re: TomShruise]
#19446367 - 01/20/14 07:25 AM (10 years, 11 days ago) |
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if it were me i would not worry because it is on the stem. i've only had the happen when my fruiting chamber had a fan basically blowing on it resulting in SUPER high FAE and low humidity, almost pre drying the fruits before they were picked in a way (nowhere near what urs looks like). do u see ur caps have that blue around the bottom of their perimeter (lower part near where the cap meets the stem)? that also happened to me in the same grow where parts of the stems bruised blue from too much fae or too little RH. on the other hand. they look healthy otherwise (my stems would begin to crack if there was too much air movement coinciding with too little humidity, hopefully urs are not on the verge of that). the verm looks a bit dry, but its also larger than what i use, so maybe there is moisture inside the mineral itself? glad that kit worked out for you! now that ur about to be addicted to this hobby, start from scratch and really sink ur teeth!
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Re: Using bucket instead of filter bag [Re: TomShruise]
#19446375 - 01/20/14 07:28 AM (10 years, 11 days ago) |
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cronicr said: get some perlite for your tote and drill 1/4 inch holes spaced 2 inches apart on all six sides and elevate it with jars or whatever your using now so air can pass up and underneathe it, don't use the bag they gave you your tote and perlite will serve you much better
Nice one for the advice cronicr! but i gotta drain the box in the morning so no time to get perlite or fuck about. Also...(whisper whisper whisper)...im planning on a cup or two of water in the bucket to create humidity and open the lid of it once a day and fan to freshen up. Do you reckon this will be ok? (all without the filter bag?)
Your mum's going to find it !!!
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Re: Using bucket instead of filter bag [Re: blindingleaf]
#19446837 - 01/20/14 09:46 AM (10 years, 10 days ago) |
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naa she wont i moved it out a while back.
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spacechildo said: you dont have that fuzzy feet, but you seem to have fuzzy caps (veils)  do you have enough holes in that box? hard to tell from the pics. you don't fan for fae, fae is a constant thing slowly exchanging the air in your tub.
You could try to elevate the tray you got there with a rack or something so you dont block all the fresh air from coming up through the bottom holes.
the blue is just bruising.
I think i have enough holes maybe its just low humidity and fanning too much?!
Blinding leaf, thanks. Im just going to concentrate on misting more to keep the humidity up.
Addicted? Im really really! interested in doing this all from scratch. Ill attempt at making spore prints from these. Any idea how long spore prints can be stored for?
thanks for the feedback
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Re: Using bucket instead of filter bag [Re: TomShruise]
#19446882 - 01/20/14 09:59 AM (10 years, 10 days ago) |
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That is just bruising and things look pretty good. your fruits do show some signs of low FAE in my opinion. I don't see any holes in the sides of your tub at sub level.
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Re: Using bucket instead of filter bag [Re: MudaFuka]
#19447629 - 01/20/14 01:20 PM (10 years, 10 days ago) |
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spores can be stored long time. u will lose interest in this hobby (hopefully not though) before they go bad. store them dry
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Re: Using bucket instead of filter bag [Re: blindingleaf]
#19461071 - 01/23/14 06:08 AM (10 years, 8 days ago) |
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Ive looked up brown spots through search and found out my shrooms might be contaminated with verticillium maybe?

Can someone confirm? And are they safe to eat?!
I think i might harvest today as a few have opened up.
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Re: Using bucket instead of filter bag [Re: TomShruise]
#19461252 - 01/23/14 07:37 AM (10 years, 8 days ago) |
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I eat every shroom except the ones that are clearly moldy/rotten nasty.
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Re: Using bucket instead of filter bag [Re: spacechildo]
#19461329 - 01/23/14 08:05 AM (10 years, 8 days ago) |
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I want to know what it is but good point.
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Re: Using bucket instead of filter bag [Re: TomShruise]
#19463147 - 01/23/14 03:25 PM (10 years, 7 days ago) |
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not sure exactly what it is, but i have eaten many many a shroom with brown specs on top that was clearly bacteria from misting too much. dry them well, or make them into tea fresh. unless the fruit is really rotting/smelling its ok. if its a few little moist/wet indents on the cap, no worries, i forget what its (that specific bacteria) is called.
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Re: Using bucket instead of filter bag [Re: blindingleaf]
#19467521 - 01/24/14 12:59 PM (10 years, 6 days ago) |
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Thanks for the reply mate, I've looked it up and again the closet match I've found is Verticllium. But who knows, if it is then it's non toxic so I'm happy to eat em up.
I harvested yesturday and am drying them out until cracker dry. I got 90g fresh. I've dunked the cake and gone for a second flush, this time without the plastic box it came in.
Since I added a few more holes to my tub tho the temp has decreased (not surprisingly) but the humidity looks to have gone through the roof, I can hardly see through the tub?!
Anyway thanks a lot for the advice an feedback. Much appreciated from everyone. This forum is fucking good!
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