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Re: Trouble figuring out/integrating experience [Re: JackthaTripper]
#20676387 - 10/08/14 05:19 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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Because it didn't happen then?
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Re: Trouble figuring out/integrating experience [Re: Icelander]
#20676500 - 10/08/14 05:44 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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That's why I said depending on your POV. So are you atheist or agnostic (or other)? How do you know it didn't happen then or now or ever?
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Re: Trouble figuring out/integrating experience [Re: Icelander]
#20676739 - 10/08/14 06:31 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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Icelander said: Because it didn't happen then?
Icelander I like your posts and think you're a pretty smart guy. And I also know you like to mess with people so I don't know if you were being serious or joking in a way about this. If you were just joking in the quote then feel free to ignore my last post with questions for you, if you want, as I may have made the mistake of taking you seriously.
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Re: Trouble figuring out/integrating experience [Re: JackthaTripper]
#20676759 - 10/08/14 06:34 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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so you are not having trouble figuring out and integrating your experience about the shit with god or machine elves you are just a bit challenged by other people not wanting to swallow your story in the form it is offered.
what does that say about the title of this thread being a bit of a bait and switch?
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Re: Trouble figuring out/integrating experience [Re: redgreenvines]
#20676863 - 10/08/14 06:55 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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redgreenvines said: so you are not having trouble figuring out and integrating your experience about the shit with god or machine elves you are just a bit challenged by other people not wanting to swallow your story in the form it is offered.
what does that say about the title of this thread being a bit of a bait and switch?
Well actually if you look at when the original post was posted, and the time stamp where I say I figured it out you will see that the title is not a bait and switch as it took several more instances of 'contact' after the first post to figure out and integrate what was happening to me and when I figured it out I posted again (look at the time stamps, when I say I know what happened you will see over half a year has passed).
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Re: Trouble figuring out/integrating experience [Re: JackthaTripper]
#20677159 - 10/08/14 07:56 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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JackthaTripper said: That's why I said depending on your POV. So are you atheist or agnostic (or other)? How do you know it didn't happen then or now or ever?
I'm agnostic by your terms, other by the terms on my home planet.
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Re: Trouble figuring out/integrating experience [Re: JackthaTripper]
#20678299 - 10/09/14 04:04 AM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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redgreenvines said: so you are not having trouble figuring out and integrating your experience about the shit with god or machine elves you are just a bit challenged by other people not wanting to swallow your story in the form it is offered.
what does that say about the title of this thread being a bit of a bait and switch?
Well actually if you look at when the original post was posted, and the time stamp where I say I figured it out you will see that the title is not a bait and switch as it took several more instances of 'contact' after the first post to figure out and integrate what was happening to me and when I figured it out I posted again (look at the time stamps, when I say I know what happened you will see over half a year has passed).
so the timestamps mean you and god are like peas in a pod?
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Re: Trouble figuring out/integrating experience [Re: redgreenvines]
#20680813 - 10/09/14 05:05 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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The time stamp means I didn't create the title for bait and switch as you suggested...if I wanted a click bait title I would've chosen something about direct communication with the master of the universe.
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Re: Trouble figuring out/integrating experience [Re: JackthaTripper]
#20680840 - 10/09/14 05:12 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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Don't mind RGVs he's cynical and bitter due to an aging brain and lack of an unconscious mind.
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Re: Trouble figuring out/integrating experience [Re: Icelander]
#20685520 - 10/10/14 06:57 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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Sounds like a debilitating situation, my condolences... :/
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Re: Trouble figuring out/integrating experience [Re: JackthaTripper]
#20685789 - 10/10/14 08:12 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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it's the way I experience whatever is in consciousness is experience and vice versa.
I don't believe in sub-experience
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Re: Trouble figuring out/integrating experience [Re: redgreenvines]
#20686333 - 10/10/14 10:20 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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I believe in sublingual experience
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Re: Trouble figuring out/integrating experience [Re: DisoRDeR]
#20686589 - 10/10/14 11:14 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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A few things that give some background and shed some light on others that've related to an experience like mine (for others, I know what happened, but understand others being skeptical). Psychedelics have an association with spirituality, and aside from mescaline used by native Americans in religious experience, there are two other churches approved legally for using psychedelics (DMT) in the US, these churches are Christianity based using ayahuasca. So even by the US govt standards they legally realize that psychedelics have religious value. Also, the Native Americans word for psilocybin containing mushrooms translate to 'flesh of God'. Before LSD and shrooms were banned there were a few religious experiments (a famous one with Christians in a church given psilocybin, by Leary I think) testing psychedelics and religious ceremony, with astounding results. And since the ban a John Hoskins study showed these experiences have mystical and religious significance.
Also, I would like to point that the Brotherhood of Eternal Love, the group responsible for the acid boom and most of the psychedelic revolution of the 60s and 70s and they believe that the psychedelics were at direct connection to God as quoted by the groups leader the brotherhood is "..a tribe of people who viewed acid as a sacrament, a window into God itself." It is rumored that the tight knit lsd producers in California are remaining Brotherhood members that see this sacrament as essential in enlightening others to God just as it touched their lives in such profound religious ways.
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Re: Trouble figuring out/integrating experience [Re: JackthaTripper]
#20687696 - 10/11/14 09:31 AM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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but Jack, that is not light you shed, nor is it even news.
lsd and other psychedelics change consciousness, or state of mind: there is quite a range of hallucinations in all the senses that result from such changes in state of mind, from hypnagogic through hypnopompic to full on delirium.
maybe you should read Oliver Sacks Hallucinations before you dispense with your process of integration of the drug induced experiences.
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Re: Trouble figuring out/integrating experience [Re: redgreenvines]
#20688444 - 10/11/14 12:48 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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I don't expect you to understand given the scant info I've put on here so far. I need to get some things in order before I post it here. After I put it all put there then we can talk more clearly about this. Sorry there is a wait, but it's what I feel is right...maybe a month. And the above was to give those that may not know all the psychedelic and spiritual/religious parallels. This isn't an isolated incident although to the extent it happened it's probably on the more extreme side.
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Re: Trouble figuring out/integrating experience [Re: JackthaTripper]
#20688459 - 10/11/14 12:51 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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And I've been studying psychedelics for a long time and have had many varied experiences this is something on a whole nother level, and what I experienced was peanuts compared to past experiences and combos of psychs, like high doses of acid and molly then smoking DMT at the peak. This felt realer than waking consciousness, was repeatable, and had prophetic elements that were fulfilled.
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Edited by JackthaTripper (10/12/14 02:27 PM)
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