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Re: Mind Blown in 12 minutes... [Re: morrowasted]
#19363498 - 01/03/14 01:39 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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morrowasted said: Can anyone verify whether or not NDGT actually said this or not?

If so I basically lost 75% of respect for him. Cuz that is some arrogant, condescending, and self-assured- not to mention completely nonsensical- thing to say. It's like saying that circles taste good.
He basically said it response to Christians people saying they don't believe in evolution.
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With my face against the floor I can’t see who knocked me out of the way. I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today. Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear. I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear. You can't wake up, this is not a dream. You're part of a machine, you are not a human being With your face all made up, living on a screen. Low on self esteem, so you run on gasoline
Edited by Shroomslip (01/03/14 01:40 PM)
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Re: Mind Blown in 12 minutes... [Re: Shroomslip]
#19363536 - 01/03/14 01:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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All he said is that facts are facts. Why did you lose respect for a captain obvious statement?
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Re: Mind Blown in 12 minutes... [Re: Shroomslip]
#19363555 - 01/03/14 01:55 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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science is true if you believe in it or not, as the model has been verified
math is true if you believe in it or not too, as logic doesnt lie, always true when proven
I dont see it as condescending, now if he had said everyone who isnt an atheist is a bafoon it might be ;-)
scientists can be a little arrogant at times, it comes with the trade, but usually only when people try to dumb down their science to religion i.e. (try to explain science as religion)
personally I like both science and religion, and there is no reason to explain one in terms of the other, often completely opposite "belief systems" it is also worth noting that science does not exclude religion, you can be a scientist and be religious
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Re: Mind Blown in 12 minutes... [Re: lessismore]
#19363623 - 01/03/14 02:10 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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mio said: only if my consciousness is limited to my mind/brain ;-)
Some years ago.. my grandparents started feeding wild cats.. they has a litter and my halfbrothers grandmother came visiting.. she adopted the one kitten, and named him Mio. Mio was quite sick the first few weeks, but he is alright now.. Mio is quite strange a cat, as he is so fluffy.. and he has a tail of a squirrel.. so fluffy.. you fluffy too mio?
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DebuteMachine said: All he said is that facts are facts. Why did you lose respect for a captain obvious statement?
No, he didn't say that facts are facts. That would be a tautology, and I would be very surprised to find a scientist expounding tautologous propositions. He said that science is true. There are multiple problems with his statement:
- Science is a method or a practice. A method or practice is not the kind of thing that can be true. The kind of thing that can be true is a proposition.
- Tyson has used a copulative verb rather than active verb. Copulative verbs are logical semantic definition operators. Since Tyson is a scientist, he should be using English prime, which necessitates active verbs. A reformulation of his statement which captures the semantic content I believe he intended in English Prime would be, "Useful application of the scientific method results in true conclusions, whether you think it does or not."
- The syntactic composition of the statement is likely to cause the intended audience to feel condescended to, which reduces its likelihood achieving its intended effect significantly
Edited by morrowasted (01/03/14 02:56 PM)
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Re: Mind Blown in 12 minutes... [Re: morrowasted] 1
#19363685 - 01/03/14 02:35 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Felt it was relevant.. 
But more seriously, he's only human.. And this was on a talk show.. It's not like he wrote this down in a paper for a scientific journal or something.
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With my face against the floor I can’t see who knocked me out of the way. I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today. Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear. I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear. You can't wake up, this is not a dream. You're part of a machine, you are not a human being With your face all made up, living on a screen. Low on self esteem, so you run on gasoline
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Re: Mind Blown in 12 minutes... [Re: Shroomslip]
#19363696 - 01/03/14 02:37 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Eh, oh well. I still like the guy the same amount I liked him before. Not more or less. I'm rather indifferent tbh.
I like Gordon Ramsey and Cesar Millan.
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Great watch. Neil delivering as usual.
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