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Shroomorous
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Fruits seem a bit small in this monotub. Any advice?
#19363648 - 01/03/14 02:21 PM (10 years, 27 days ago) |
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Hello,
I currently have a monotub fruiting, and while I got a pretty nice pinset (way better than my past monotubs), fruit bodies seem somewhat smaller than I expected. I'm using MS, so maybe I just happened to get smaller-fruited genetics. However, it seems more likely that it is an FAE issue, due to some fruits having skinny stems. Some additionally have a bit of fuzz near the base (though many do not).
I ended up using actually quite a different design than most monotubs I see here due to some constraints, so maybe that is causing the issue. My design is the following: - 6500K light on 12/12 cycle - Black trash bag liner inside - Two-tub design with water being heated at the bottom of the outer tub. I guess this makes it technically not a monotub, but I couldn't figure out a way to get it warm enough otherwise without wasting a lot of energy (I try not to keep my house ambient temperature very high.) - The setup is in a confined space where not much airflow occurs. Additionally, the outer tub would block the standard polyfill holes technique used on most tubs. Instead, I set up a humidifier to run through a hole at the top of the tub for six half-hour intervals daily, to provide both humidity and FAE. There is a single polyfill-stuffed hole at the other side of the top of the tub. There are several holes at the substrate level in both the inner and outer tubs, but they are slightly "misaligned", so I'm not sure if CO2 can actually escape through them.
I attached some pics of this design, as well as the fruits. Do you think it is an FAE issue? Any design improvements would be appreciated.
Pic of the whole setup:

Here is the humidifier I'm using (the white thing is a polyfill sheet I put to add a little filter. Not sure if it does anything but I doubt it hurts.)

Here is where the humidifier tube comes in. On the opposite side of the tub is a polyfill-stuffed hole.

These are holes lower down on the tub. As you can see, the outer tub's holes are slightly lower, so I'm not sure CO2 is able to get between them to escape. I could drill some aligned holes a bit higher up if it might help. You can also see the water heater in this pic.

Here are the fruits. A good pinset (at least compared to my previous ones), but most are kind of small.
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Re: Fruits seem a bit small in this monotub. Any advice? [Re: Shroomorous]
#19363655 - 01/03/14 02:25 PM (10 years, 27 days ago) |
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multi spore not even gonna touch the subject of your chamber design, i'll leave that to you lol
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Re: Fruits seem a bit small in this monotub. Any advice? [Re: cronicr]
#19363684 - 01/03/14 02:35 PM (10 years, 27 days ago) |
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Quote:
Shroomorous said: Here is the humidifier I'm using (the white thing is a polyfill sheet I put to add a little filter. Not sure if it does anything but I doubt it hurts.)

Here is where the humidifier tube comes in. On the opposite side of the tub is a polyfill-stuffed hole.

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cronicr said: multi spore not even gonna touch the subject of your chamber design, i'll leave that to you lol
I'll do the touching stand back ha,
The monotub works by having a small fan in the room not pointed directly at the tub but sort of in the general direction. Air gets pushed into the relatively loose top holes and out the bottom holes. Not Air in CO2 out its AIR in AIR out fresh air in fresh air out, got it? Humid air in humid air out = suffocated fruits probably as well as other problems most likely. The substrate in a monotub produces it's own microclimate since it's so big and the mycelium makes some heat, the slow evaporation of moisture keeps everything humid and it's also your number one pinning trigger. That setup is killing your number one pinning trigger and probably making your mushrooms wet at times and a wet mushroom is a mushroom that can't breathe.
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Re: Fruits seem a bit small in this monotub. Any advice? [Re: cronicr]
#19363690 - 01/03/14 02:36 PM (10 years, 27 days ago) |
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Quote:
cronicr said: multi spore not even gonna touch the subject of your chamber design, i'll leave that to you lol
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Re: Fruits seem a bit small in this monotub. Any advice? [Re: bodhisatta]
#19363691 - 01/03/14 02:37 PM (10 years, 27 days ago) |
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Re: Fruits seem a bit small in this monotub. Any advice? [Re: cronicr]
#19363709 - 01/03/14 02:40 PM (10 years, 27 days ago) |
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in my experience more pins usually means smaller fruits. this isn't always a bad thing. A larger number of small fruits can end up yielding as much as a smaller number of large ones. the smaller fruits generally are more potent as well.
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Shroomorous
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Re: Fruits seem a bit small in this monotub. Any advice? [Re: bodhisatta]
#19363746 - 01/03/14 02:49 PM (10 years, 27 days ago) |
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Ah I see. So it would probably be best then to drill some additional "aligned" holes between the two tubs at substrate level to allow for air to escape better? Should I just ditch the humidifier entirely, and throw a fan into the space where the tub is? I could also run the humidifier without any water.
EDIT: Perhaps it's worth mentioning also that I've mostly avoided side-pinning, but the few side pins I've gotten have grown to be pretty big (you can see the edge of them in the bottom of the last picture). Those ones are also next to the substrate-level FAE holes.
Edited by Shroomorous (01/03/14 02:53 PM)
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Re: Fruits seem a bit small in this monotub. Any advice? [Re: MudaFuka]
#19363756 - 01/03/14 02:51 PM (10 years, 27 days ago) |
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I suppose that makes sense. My first two monotubs had pretty small pinsets, but the fruits they did gave were monstrous.
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