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Re: First Attempt Log please Tip :D [Re: xBELLSPROUTx]
    #19359033 - 01/02/14 03:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I would lay'e on their side.  I noticed a lot of myc stress on the top of my tall ones in places where the verm didn't stick....could be my fc, but now i lay'em on their sides just in case


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Re: First Attempt Log please Tip :D [Re: 1down5up]
    #19359709 - 01/02/14 05:14 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

ok, when i get ready to birth them does putting them in water then putting a coat of verm on them do anything that not doing that will do?


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Re: First Attempt Log please Tip :D [Re: xBELLSPROUTx]
    #19359843 - 01/02/14 05:37 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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ok, when i get ready to birth them does putting them in water then putting a coat of verm on them do anything that not doing that will do?



yes, the dunking brings your cake to field capacity and genetics and available moisture are the 2 biggest influences on fruit size/quantity and the roll gives you a nice micro-climate for pins to from and also helps retain moisture in your cake.
so dunk for 24 hours and rinse well then roll in dry verm and wait awhile before misting so the verm sticks


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Re: First Attempt Log please Tip :D [Re: xBELLSPROUTx]
    #19359849 - 01/02/14 05:38 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

for sure...that a very important step man.  Washem after birth, dunk them for 24 hours and then coat them in verm.

It increases yield by weight (more water in your cake means more size for your shrooms), and it helps with a micro climate on the surface.  It's all aces man.  You don't have to, but you definitely should.  You'll kick your ass if you don't....


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Re: First Attempt Log please Tip :D [Re: 1down5up]
    #19360080 - 01/02/14 06:31 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

will doing that affect the trip (for better or worse)? like will it cause for more maturation and like higher potency (since i went with the mazatepec strand because they are very vissual from what i have been told)or does it just kinda make them bigger and the micro climate. i will most likely do the dunk it seems like the smart thing to do.


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Re: First Attempt Log please Tip :D [Re: xBELLSPROUTx]
    #19360086 - 01/02/14 06:31 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

the substrate won't effect the trip/potency that is genetic


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Re: First Attempt Log please Tip :D [Re: cronicr]
    #19360120 - 01/02/14 06:36 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I understand that the trip depends on the strand but is it the same as marijuana in the way that it is kept can change the potency (or quality rather. like will it change the quality of the over all shroom besides the weight?


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Re: First Attempt Log please Tip :D [Re: xBELLSPROUTx]
    #19360160 - 01/02/14 06:44 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

maybe im just over thinking the whole growing process haha


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Re: First Attempt Log please Tip :D [Re: xBELLSPROUTx]
    #19360161 - 01/02/14 06:44 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

the trip doesnt depend on the name on the print, there will be hundreds of strains created every time you start from spores so every fruit will very in potency, for storage dry them as fast as possible(dehydrator) and store them air tight


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    #19360167 - 01/02/14 06:45 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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maybe im just over thinking the whole growing process haha



maybe but as long as you keep asking those q's that pop in your head you will learn....i did


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Re: First Attempt Log please Tip :D [Re: cronicr]
    #19360214 - 01/02/14 06:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

true, I just have known people to do both ways (soak and then verm and nothing) and i just have never heard any of them saying that one was better then the other. and yeah I plan on asking them hahaha i want the best that i can grow, friends had some doubts that i could grow'em.


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    #19360251 - 01/02/14 07:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

what is the prime temperature to keep jars incubated? people have posted leave them on shelf at room temp, people have told me 86, i have been told that is too hot. i have also been told 80 was good, i just want to know the best (form a personal prospective).


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Re: First Attempt Log please Tip :D [Re: xBELLSPROUTx]
    #19362683 - 01/03/14 10:11 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

80 is good.  Wouldn't go any higher.  The lower the temps, the slower colonization.  If you're comfortable in your room where they're at, then that's good enough.  Fruiting at lower temps gives you meatier fruits too.


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Re: First Attempt Log please Tip :D [Re: xBELLSPROUTx]
    #19362707 - 01/03/14 10:18 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I understand that the trip depends on the strand but is it the same as marijuana in the way that it is kept can change the potency (or quality rather. like will it change the quality of the over all shroom besides the weight?





No, the're not like marijuana.  If they grow, then they are cubes...whereas growing MJ, the potency depends on a number of things, genetics being 1st.  You basically start out at 100% and any fuckups along the way will reduce your potency.  Curing your weed also has a huge effect on potency.  You pretty much have to know a strain inside out and give it everything it needs just before it needs it to get the best out of it.
I guess it would prob relate to mushies according to yield, the better you grow, the healthier your fruits, but potency is not affected.


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Re: First Attempt Log please Tip :D [Re: xBELLSPROUTx]
    #19362757 - 01/03/14 10:33 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I understand that the trip depends on the strand but is it the same as marijuana in the way that it is kept can change the potency (or quality rather. like will it change the quality of the over all shroom besides the weight?




yes, contact with oxygen (air) will degrade the potency.
that's why we dry them to completely cracker dry before storing in an air-tight container.

don't go over 80F, the mycel produces heat as well.
too hot temps stall down growth, somewhere between 75-80 is optimal for speed of growth.
Do a search for temps posted by RR if you feel the need for his exact measurements and experience.

Also, other molds and whatnots require temps of 80F and up to grow, so keeping the temps on the cooler side inhibits nastiness.


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Re: First Attempt Log please Tip :D [Re: spacechildo]
    #19362793 - 01/03/14 10:41 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

ok thanks guys, so pretty much the "quality" of the shroom really is the amounts of fruits and what not.


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    #19362837 - 01/03/14 10:54 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

most cubes have a specific amount of psychoactive elements.  I don't think it changes inside a certain type.  Most cubensis have roughly 1.2% psilocyn/psilocybin in'em.  You can't change that.

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/archive/index.php/t-426971.html

^^^read that.  Give you a good idea.


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Re: First Attempt Log please Tip :D [Re: 1down5up]
    #19363076 - 01/03/14 11:53 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

thank you thats kinda what i thought. and an other question on a side note, i have been told i should take my jars out of my incubator (rubbermade with 7 jars inside with a layer or 5 blankets under the rubber made then a heating pad under that, it stays at 80-81) i have been told that this is bad for them and that i need to take them and put them on a shelf at room temp. everything i read contradicts everything. online it says 86, people here say 77 and others say not to even use one.... i just need help hahah


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Re: First Attempt Log please Tip :D [Re: xBELLSPROUTx]
    #19363119 - 01/03/14 12:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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i just need help hahah



I didn't study difference in temps, but from my experience room temp is more than sufficient for a non-commercial cultivation.  Incubating @ no higher than 80 will certainly increase colonization rates.  Keep in mind that it is warmer in the jar than outside. and that going over 80 is generally frowned upon.

If you insist on incubating, look into making a "Tub in tub" incubator.  For my time, I prefer to keep it simple.  I've watched jars colonize at temps in the mid 60s......slowly...


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Re: First Attempt Log please Tip :D [Re: HypnotoadCroaked]
    #19363165 - 01/03/14 12:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

when I first started I used an incubator much like yours at the same temp as your. I did this because I was reading a lot of old outdated info off the net. Since iv started colonizing on a shelf at 73 degrees iv cut my colonization time down by almost a week.


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